If You Fail But Once!

[Christ4Ever]

What hope do those NOT "in the Lord" have?
Please remember that there is no sin "in the Lord".

You mean the answer escapes you at the moment and you need my assistance? Otherwise how you came by asking me that question from what I posted escapes me!
There is more I will add but for the fact that I'm working out and typing on a cellphone with one finger is exhausting
Plus I have a little scripture (KJV) to research to present to you for your consideration.
With the love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[At Peace]

• No there is no such verse
• Adultery is a sin for anyone
• Other than found in the 10 commandments, I know of no other verse that addresses Adultery , other than this: Matthew 5:28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Do you ever look at another with lust in your heart?

As you have no Godly reference concerning "practicing sin", I guess it is up to me to determine what constitutes "practicing sin".
If I sin "more than once", I am "practicing" sin.
So, if i tell a lie, and steal from work, in the same life time, I am "practicing sin".
Sure am glad I "turned from" sin so I don't have to look for loop holes I can sneak through.

• You don't understand, by God's standards, you probably, even like the rest of us, you ( while alive and a human on earth) will sin somehow that is abhorring to him because , though he wants you to be perfect, you are not. The only way you can be perfect, by his standard, is to be like his son. You would have to be flawless, not one "tiny" sin, not even once, 24-7, the rest of your life....you are not capable of that..not yet! I would say you probably sin when you think of me and think I am not "sinless" like you! It is called Judging . You sin in ways that you don't even know.
• I don't judge you; as far as I am concerned, you are as saved as I am...that's up to God.
• What I am saying is, as hard as you try, in this life you are not sinless and it is not a prerequisite to salvation!

"I" am not alive. (Rom 6:23, 1 Tim 5:24)
"I" was killed on the cross with Christ when "I" was baptized into Christ's death. (Rom 6:3-6)
A verse further down in Romans 6 reads..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."
And I rejoice in the freedom.
The freedom is there for you too, and all that stands in the way is repentance from sin and baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of your past sins. (Acts 2:38)

 

[At Peace]

You mean the answer escapes you at the moment and you need my assistance? Otherwise how you came by asking me that question from what I posted escapes me!

You addressed those hoping for "tomorrow's" salvation.
What can they hope for if they don't love God above all else and their neighbor as themselves?
I suppose it was a rhetorical question...

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

The freedom is there for you too, and all that stands in the way is repentance from sin and baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of your past sins.

but what if i have already done that before?
What can I do?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

What I am saying is, as hard as you try, in this life you are not sinless and it is not a prerequisit to salvation!

I thought Salvation was being saved from sin and death?
learn something new every day!!


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

but what if i have already done that before?
What can I do?

I was thinking about the ten virgins and wondered if the oil in their lamps was forgiveness?


Bless you all ....><>

 

[KingJ]

No, He wasn't.
He was the Son of God, the Word made flesh...and under the same pressures we are today.
Am I God?
No, I am a son of God...and Jesus is not ashamed to call me brother. (Heb 2:11)
Do you think He calls sinners 'brother'?
Sinners have a different father that Jesus, and I do. (1 John 3:8-9)

According to Isa 9:6, Jesus is not a son of God like we are a son and daughter of God.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus was crucified because He called Himself God John 5:18.

Jesus call us a brother because He wants to make it clear that He wants as close a relationship with us as is possible. We are also know as His bride. What we in essence are / were predestined to be, is, adopted children. Eph 1:5 He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.

Sinners don't actually have a father. Jesus is making a rhetorical point.

 

[Christ4Ever]

You addressed those hoping for "tomorrow's" salvation.
What can they hope for if they don't love God above all else and their neighbor as themselves?
I suppose it was a rhetorical question...

That may be brother, but was that the subject matter being discussed in my response?

Rhetorical? The previous question you asked or this last one?

Still, in this last question. I agree totally! Hope should be ever present, and can not be a yesterday or tomorrow concept when one loves.

With the Love of Christ Jesus!
YBIC
Nick
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[Born Again 2004]

If I sin "more than once", I am "practicing" sin.

No, if you sin more than once, on purpose with no regard or repentance in you heart, you are practicing sin ( the old self).... Jesus died for our imperfection. You are trapped or in a bondage to an untruth.....Bondage that you must be perfect and sinless to get to heaven...that is not the Gospel!

 

[At Peace]

Greetings,
But what if i have already done that before?
What can I do?
Bless you ....><>

If you have already done this, it will be manifested by a life sanctified and ready for the Lord's work.
Carry on, in your new life in Christ.
Love God above all else and your neighbor as yourself.
Seek like minded men to learn from and fellowship with.
Evangelize and exhort to holiness in the name of Jesus Christ.
Endure till the end.

 

[At Peace]

I was thinking about the ten virgins and wondered if the oil in their lamps was forgiveness?
Bless you all ....><>

No, it was oil.
if we were to compare it to something in the NT it would be our adherence to God.
Some will be found faithful at the end and some won't, much to their chagrin.

 

[At Peace]

No, if you sin more than once, on purpose with no regard or repentance in you heart, you are practicing sin ( the old self).... Jesus died for our imperfection. You are trapped or in a bondage to an untruth.....Bondage that you must be perfect and sinless to get to heaven...that is not the Gospel!

No sin is accidental. They are all on purpose.
My old self was killed on the cross with Christ, so has no input on my reborn self.
BTW, Jesus said the truth would free us from committing sin, in John 8:32-34.
It is the sinners who are in bondage, in service to sin.

 

[At Peace]

That may be brother, but was that the subject matter being discussed in my response?

Rhetorical? The previous question you asked or this last one?

Still, in this last question. I agree totally! Hope should be ever present, and can not be a yesterday or tomorrow concept when one loves.

With the Love of Christ Jesus!
YBIC
Nick
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Sorry Nick,
That ship has sailed.
I have no reference to what you are writing about anymore.

 

[At Peace]

According to Isa 9:6, Jesus is not a son of God like we are a son and daughter of God.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Amen, and He is not ashamed to call some "brethren". (Heb 2:11)

Jesus was crucified because He called Himself God John 5:18.

Even the scripture you sited refutes that.
It was the Jews who inferred that.

Jesus call us a brother because He wants to make it clear that He wants as close a relationship with us as is possible. We are also know as His bride. What we in essence are / were predestined to be, is, adopted children. Eph 1:5 He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.

God's adopted children have been regendered by His seed.

Sinners don't actually have a father. Jesus is making a rhetorical point.

Sinners do indeed have a father.
It is written..." Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:9-10)

 

[Born Again 2004]

No sin is accidental. They are all on purpose.

• By your standards, not God's!

BTW, Jesus said the truth would free us from committing sin, in John 8:32-34.
It is the sinners who are in bondage, in service to sin.

• Here it is again in the verse you quoted:

1. Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.
   
2. This doesn't say free you from committing sin. You have to say that to support your espoused perfection...it says free from practicing.
3. Before Christ, I had no inclination what sin was; I practiced it often. After Christ, He led me to the law and I realized I was sinful and He took the desire from me to sin but not being perfect, I realize, in some ways do sin but not on purpose and because of him, there is no condemnation for me.
4. This is from I Corinthians 13 : Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.......do you know what kind of love this is?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Sorry Nick,
That ship has sailed.
I have no reference to what you are writing about anymore.

Who is this?

Bigger fish to fry I guess.

Still...you did start by responding to me...hehehe

Love you brother.

Keep that in mind as you continue to communicate with others, as I pray and hope that they as well will remember!

1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity. (agape)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[At Peace]

• By your standards, not God's!

• Actually, it is James' words from James 1:13-15 that I remember while writing to you.
• There must be a temptation in order to commit sin.

• Here it is again in the verse you quoted:

1. Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.
   
2. This doesn't say free you from committing sin. You have to say that to support your espoused perfection...it says free from practicing.
3. Before Christ, I had no inclination what sin was; I practiced it often. After Christ, He led me to the law and I realized I was sinful and He took the desire from me to sin but not being perfect, I realize, in some ways do sin but not on purpose and because of him, there is no condemnation for me.
4. This is from I Corinthians 13 : Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.......do you know what kind of love this is?

You have already established that you adhere to a translation of the bible that accommodates sin.
My version, KJV, does not fetter the word of God with the insertion of words like "practices".
You fail to realize that every sin one commits establishes that they are still practicing sin.
The only way to quit practicing sin is to cease from sinning entirely.
As Peter exhorts..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)

 

[Born Again 2004]

You have already established that you adhere to a translation of the bible that accommodates sin.

No, that is what you think...all I have said is that we do not want to sin, but we are saved from the consequences of sin.

You fail to realize that every sin one commits establishes that they are still practicing sin.

• No, the law was perfect but man was not, so God established another covenant where he would look at our sin no more, not that we would sin no more.
• I see you failed to answer my question:
  1. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.......do you know what kind of love this is?

 

[Born Again 2004]

@Br. Bear

• I said: What I am saying is, as hard as you try, in this life you are not sinless and it is not a prerequisite to salvation!
• You said:

I thought Salvation was being saved from sin and death?
learn something new every day!!

• No, salvation is being saved from the consequences of sin , which is death!

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Greetings @At Peace (& @Br. Bear )

I am trying to establish whether I am understanding you correctly.
This is not attacking your testimony brother At Peace......but instead seeking understanding.

Are you stating that since you have been saved you have never ever committed a 'sin', a wrongdoing, an unwholesome thought....and so forth?

Below I am adding a personal experience to 'back up' my struggle with what I believe you are saying....

I was saved at age age of 11, but in my early adulthood backslid into a life of terrible sin and immorality. No doubt about it I was sinning.
However, through that whole dark time, the indwelling Spirit of God convicted me and spoke in a little voice into my heart, in the most amazing ways wooing me back to the Lord. I was never happy/ comfortable during those dark years, I praise the Lord for that.

However, as a Christian I did sin back then and wilfully so.

Christians still sin....we all do.
Whilst we are flesh there will be a continual battle against the spirit.
But the battle is won and sin no longer has dominion

Also I believe Paul was addressing believers here in the verses below....how do ypu interpret these scriptures?

If any man see his (Christian) brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death.
1 John 5:16

But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Colossians 3:8-9