Is homosexuality a result of imperfection?

[sparky]

This is a subject i would quite like your views on.Because of the line of work i have often been invoved in i have come into contact with a lot of people some of whom are homosexual.Im a very frank person and have asked many of them why they adopted this lifestyle.To a hetro-sexual person it is a compltete mystery to me how you can find someone of the same sex, sexually attractive?What was interesting about many of their replies is that homosexuals seem to fall into two catergories.The first catergory being people who have had bad hetro-sexual experiences,ie abusive realationships,unfaithful partners etc.They have turned to their own sex in the misguided notion that these things would no longer affect them.It is the second catergory which raises the question that entitles this thread.These are people who are homosexual because they have only ever been attracted to ones of their own sex,in fact the thought of physical contact with the opposite sex is repugnant.So could homosexuality be in the genes?

Now before any of you jump down my throat,i am not condoning homosexuality or saying this as an excuse for people who practice it.All i know is when adam turned his back on god not only did he lose the chance of making this earth one huge garden of eden but he also introduced imperfection into our lives.That imperfection manifests itself in both the mental and physical in us today.I myself have been born with a genetic imperfection,i cant do anything about it i just have to deal with it.Is it the same for some homosexuals,they are born with a genetic screw-up?Is it connected that often homosexual couples are often made up of an effiminate and a masculine figure in some weird parody of a hetro-sexual couple?

Is there any single godly men or women out there who have struggled with their feelings for their own sex,put God first and are single because of it?We are all tested repeatedly,our faith under fire each and every day we all have weaknesses particular to us,is this a weakness some of us constantly battle to overcome?I dont mean to be contentious bringing up this issue but its something ive often thought about and would be interested in any of your views.

 

[Adstar]

I have often seen people bring up the theory of being born homosexual as a kind of justification for being homosexual. The fact is we are all born sinners so does that make sin natural/good?? No. Does a person who was born with a tendency for alcoholism make alcoholism good? Some people might be born with a tenancy to be a child abuser does that make pedophilia good?

You see satan is playing a cunning trick with people. He knows that those who are repentant of their sins and believe in Jesus receive forgiveness for their sins. How can he sabotage this system? Simply by getting people to think that the sin that they sin is not sin at all and no repentance is required.
People who think they have done no wrong never think to seeking forgiveness.

That’s what the whole gay rights movement is about, getting Homosexuals and society to believe that homosexuality is OK. God has declared very clearly that it is an abomination, it matters not a jot weather people are born with a tendency towards being homosexual or if they make a conscious decision to persue a homosexual life style. The Word Of God stands those who say sin is not sin are in rebellion against the Word.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Chad]

Excellent response Adstar. Very true that satan will get the lost souls, vulnerable lost soul that have no Truth, no Word of GOD in them and deceive them so easily.

That is why it is our duty and goal to preach each day, to everyone we can, every chance we get. That is what Talk Jesus is all about. Preaching Jesus Christ.

 

[LibertyValance]

"Homosexuals" don't exist they are just confused people who are being tricked by satan I know this for a fact,Over the last five years three "homosexuals" have come to me scared and unsure of what to do. I did not turn them away I took them under my wing and we prayed together and read from the Bible it took some time but I did not give up on any of them and all my hard work has payed off. one fell in love with a beautiful woman and they got married in fact I married them the others have both got "girlfriends" and atend church every sunday.

p.s The first boy I took under my wing,the one who got married his, wife is pregnant.This news brings tears of joy too my eyes she is expecting in 8 months.

God Bless

 

[jiggyfly]

I have often seen people bring up the theory of being born homosexual as a kind of justification for being homosexual. The face is we are all born sinners so does that make sin natural/good?? No. Does a person who was born with a tendency for alcoholism make alcoholism good? Some people might be born with a tenancy to be a child abuser does that make pedophilia good?

You see satan is playing a cunning trick with people. He knows that those who are repentant of their sins and believe in Jesus receive forgiveness for their sins. How can he sabotage this system? Simply by getting people to think that the sin that they sin is not sin at all and no repentance is required.
People who think they have done no wrong never think to seeking forgiveness.

That’s what the whole gay rights movement is about, getting Homosexuals and society to believe that homosexuality is OK. God has declared very clearly that it is an abomination, it matters not a jot weather people are born with a tendency towards being homosexual or if they make a conscious decision to persue a homosexual life style. The Word Of God stands those who say sin is not sin are in rebellion against the Word.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Truth and Spirit, Adstar that was wonderful.

 

[gentle]

Homosexulity A Generational Curse

it is a generational curse and it should be renounced by a Christian if he claims to be one and declare that he belongs now to Jesus II Corinthians 5:17 that he is now a new creature. Old hings have passed away and new is come in Jesus name. he should continue to renounce it and declare his new identity in Christ Jesus out loud and always.

God bless us. Peace is with us.

 

[Mike]

God loves all people and sent his son to redeem all people ! There has been allot of talk about homosexuality on this site , and I think the answers have been put out there in both love , and judgement. But the truth is that homosexuality is not anything other than bondage ! And it is nasty , and disgusting ! Period ! We as christians do not have to debate the obvious . Homosexuality is unnatural , and nasty ! No more excuses for them ! The word is clear on this subject . Believe the word , and lets stop patronizing these fools who want to keep talking about it . They are only trying to waste our fellowship in Jesus Christ ! This is a statement directed at the many debates on this topic , and not against sparky for starting this thread . Sparky is a good christian with much better things to share with us . Lets stay the course and not be distracted from talking about Jesus Christ ! Brother Mike

 

[girlforgod]

Brothersinarms,
I would like to add that any that seek council and support and want freedom from this bondage there is a wonderful site that helps men and women who want to turn from this lifestyle. It is a christian organization called Exodus International. For anyone who would like to check it out go to http://www.exodus-international.org/ I also agree that no amount of debating changes our view, we can only stand firm in the Word of God and continue to point lost people to JESUS CHRIST and the Word of God!!

 

[Mike]

I agree totaly with you . The problem is , these people do not want help , they just want talk ! I know people who are serious about seeking God sincerely about homosexuality , and they get help . I also know homosexuals who are kind people . But the homosexual act is nasty , and foul , and that is that ! I am not tiptoeing around the act of homosexually anymore ! The way to freedom is truth . God said homosexuality is disgusting , and nasty ! Thats the truth ! Brother Mike , homosexual ---->

 

[sparky]

In my early years as a practising christian i saw every issue as being black or white.There is no excuse for homosexuality,there is no degrees of wrongdoing,"sin is sin".My original thread was to approach the issue of homosexuality from a commpassionate veiwpoint.
I am not interested in those who flagrantly dissobey Gods word and who have full knowledge of the wrong they are doing.Interestingly within a couple of hours of the original post i recieved a message from someone who has a friend who fitted the criteria.A faithful christian who has struggled(and overcome)feelings for the same sex.In chat this week also i talked with a female who is praying to god for the exact same reason.It is very easy to just dissmiss this subject but if a little more compassion and understanding could help someone come to jesus then so be it.I used to see homosexuals on the same level as pedophiles(all disgusting)but i have learnt to differentiate between the person and the act.If any out there have some sort of inbuilt attraction for the same sex and sucessfully quash those feelings,even to the extent of remaining single because of love for God over their fleshly desires then i applaud them.I started this thread to help ME get a better understanding and to not be so judgemental.Jesus mixed with all types of people(prostitutes ect)never condoning the acts but always endeavouring to reach the person.The book of revelation tells us in chapter 21 that the former things of this world will pass away and all things will be made new,i like to think this includes unnatural desires along with the rest of the wickedness that surrounds us today.

 

[Mike]

Sparky . As I said , I in no way are trying to make you feel uncomfortable and welcome all you're threads and responses . I just wanted to seperate the act of Homosexuality as did God , and make it clear that the debate over the justification of this sex act is over ! Gods word makes it very very clear ! Many christians are trying to respond in too many other ways to appease this debate ! I just wanted to answere you're question . God said it's wrong , and thats final ! Now if anyone is willing to accept that as truth , then talkjesus will embrace and restore any homosexuall to Jesus Christ ! But I am tired of trying to talk them into it ! Jesus told the demons to be silent , and come out ! He did not go on and on and on about why ! Jesus knew they had no right to be there according to the words of his Father , and so did the demons ! I am glad that God is allowing you to bring the truth to these people , but do not bargain you're understanding away through constant debate . I Love and respect you in the Lord , and keep on doing Gods saving work for all Gods children , Homosexuall or any other bondage ! Brother Mike

 

[sparky]

I feel you misunderstand me brother.Im not debating anything.I am simply stating the need for empathy and understanding in various situations.

 

[Mike]

Sparky . I am not disagreeing with you !

 

[sparky]

lol-ok,peace

 

[Bobinfaith]

In my early years as a practising christian i saw every issue as being black or white.There is no excuse for homosexuality,there is no degrees of wrongdoing,"sin is sin".My original thread was to approach the issue of homosexuality from a commpassionate veiwpoint.
I am not interested in those who flagrantly dissobey Gods word and who have full knowledge of the wrong they are doing.Interestingly within a couple of hours of the original post i recieved a message from someone who has a friend who fitted the criteria.A faithful christian who has struggled(and overcome)feelings for the same sex.In chat this week also i talked with a female who is praying to god for the exact same reason.It is very easy to just dissmiss this subject but if a little more compassion and understanding could help someone come to jesus then so be it.I used to see homosexuals on the same level as pedophiles(all disgusting)but i have learnt to differentiate between the person and the act.If any out there have some sort of inbuilt attraction for the same sex and sucessfully quash those feelings,even to the extent of remaining single because of love for God over their fleshly desires then i applaud them.I started this thread to help ME get a better understanding and to not be so judgemental.Jesus mixed with all types of people(prostitutes ect)never condoning the acts but always endeavouring to reach the person.The book of revelation tells us in chapter 21 that the former things of this world will pass away and all things will be made new,i like to think this includes unnatural desires along with the rest of the wickedness that surrounds us today.

Sparky,

In the San Francisco bay area this is a ministry that we are very much involved with. The homosexual and lesbian fleshly desire is very strong but is not genetic. I have a compassion, beyond empathy for these persons, Sparky. They question WHY did God make them a man or woman yet they have this physical attraction for the same sex? Or, not even sex, but the desire to be companions, buddy with the same sex all the time.

Your quote If any out there have some sort of inbuilt attraction for the same sex and sucessfully quash those feelings,even to the extent of remaining single because of love for God over their fleshly desires then i applaud them. I agree with you. That is sacrifice of self in order to remain righteous with God, and it is tough for them!

When you have interaction, evangelizing, witnessing to these persons you develop the ability through our Lord and Savior Jesus to see the hurt. Its an opportunity to be there first, as a friend, then allow God to work through you in your calling to witness. We also cross the paths of many gays who are very proud of their sexual preference and don't attempt to seek God about it but accept it and incorporate it in their personal lifestyle.

Either way, we are to LOVE them and continue to witness Jesus Christ to them, not only by introducing the Gospels, but by our character - the way you look at them, the tone of your voice, the way you listen. When we seek God earnestly, He teaches us the spiritual maturity to LOVE you (meaning all of us) despite your inner fleshly desires that are battled every day.

Thank you, Sparky.

Your servant in Christ Jesus.

 

[Mike]

I also agree with you Bobinfaith . Brother Mike

 

[jiggyfly]

First of all I would like to state that I am heterosexual. I am a single woman choosing to be sexually abstinent waiting on God's choice of a Godly man to love. That is easier said than done. It takes iron will and determination. The strength I have comes from knowledge of God's word and my love for my Savior.

I have been ask why I don't date and many times when I refuse the advances of men I have been accused of being gay, with the implication that something must be wrong with me because I choose to be different.

In today's society the concept of abstinence is frowned upon. Sex sells and living a holy life doesn't. Even among Christians I have found that many will attempt to justify sex outside the covenant union of marriage. Many Married Christians who have been blessed with love have no clue how hard it is to be alone. And it is hard but not impossible. I have made the choice that I would rather be alone for the rest of my life than to be with the wrong guy ever again. And I trust the Holy Spirit will bring us together and let me know when His choice shows up!!


Having said all that. I have a friend in Italy(a guy) who has battled desire for men and has even gotten married. He is in a major struggle now because of the advances of a co-worker (male). My friend has been born again but he still has battles and has fallen. He ask me months ago if I knew anyone who had overcome this, that he felt he could find strength in the testimony of other men who have overcome this. I couldn't find him any. Even the site that Girlforgod gave has no testimony of substance (one liners only). What I am seeking is testimony of how they overcame and what it was that brought freedom from this most insidious of sins.

Can anybody help me help my friend?

Bobinfaith,
Do you know of anyone there in San Francisco that has a testimony that will help my friend? If so would you ask them to post it to this thread?

I know there are probably many who have overcome this temptation but the best example I can think of is Jesus himself. He has over come everything in this world, so I would tell your friend to rest in Christ and follow HIm and allow Christ to work in him.

 

[Bobinfaith]

Quote: Originally posted by Jiggyfly
I know there are probably many who have overcome this temptation but the best example I can think of is Jesus himself. He has over come everything in this world, so I would tell your friend to rest in Christ and follow HIm and allow Christ to work in him.
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"So why do you call me 'Lord,' when you won't obey me?" Luke 6:46


Since a dull ax requires great strength, sharpen the blade. That’s the value of wisdom; it helps you succeed. Ecclesiastes 10:10

Amen, Jigglyfly, and when Christ works within our brother from Italy He sends others to do His work.

Sparky, brothers and sisters, join Strypes and please pray for our outreach to the community and myself. I will contact those I know, and the churches we network with in the Bay area. The prayer request is that I will encourage someone or many to come forth and share their testimony. Let this be about our Father's wonderful purpose and plan, the bigger picture.

Your servant in Christ Jesus.

 

[jiggyfly]

Sparky,

In the San Francisco bay area this is a ministry that we are very much involved with. The homosexual and lesbian fleshly desire is very strong but is not genetic. I have a compassion, beyond empathy for these persons, Sparky. They question WHY did God make them a man or woman yet they have this physical attraction for the same sex? Or, not even sex, but the desire to be companions, buddy with the same sex all the time.

Your quote If any out there have some sort of inbuilt attraction for the same sex and sucessfully quash those feelings,even to the extent of remaining single because of love for God over their fleshly desires then i applaud them. I agree with you. That is sacrifice of self in order to remain righteous with God, and it is tough for them!

When you have interaction, evangelizing, witnessing to these persons you develop the ability through our Lord and Savior Jesus to see the hurt. Its an opportunity to be there first, as a friend, then allow God to work through you in your calling to witness. We also cross the paths of many gays who are very proud of their sexual preference and don't attempt to seek God about it but accept it and incorporate it in their personal lifestyle.

Either way, we are to LOVE them and continue to witness Jesus Christ to them, not only by introducing the Gospels, but by our character - the way you look at them, the tone of your voice, the way you listen. When we seek God earnestly, He teaches us the spiritual maturity to LOVE you (meaning all of us) despite your inner fleshly desires that are battled every day.

Thank you, Sparky.

Your servant in Christ Jesus.

Matthew 5:27-30
27*“You have heard that the law of Moses says, ‘Do not commit adultery.’* 28*But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29*So if your eye—even if it is your good eye* —causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30*And if your hand—even if it is your stronger hand* —causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

It's not enough for a believer to restrain from committing the act of a sin, God wants to clean up the heart, where all motive originates.

 

[Mike]

I agree Jiggyfly . I am glad that Bob is doing salvation work for the Lord , but it is what it is . Until that truth is established , God will not work in the lives of Homosexuals ! Mike