Is homosexuality a result of imperfection?
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That is how I write to devils who come to this site to cause trouble . You are only reserving you're place in HELL! God shines light on all darkness hakooibia ! And he has revealed you to me ! Pretty haunting huh? If God does not see you , then how did I know that you are just an old familiar devil , back again . But not for long . God is giving you a chance to repent before you suffer great repercussions for working against him and his servents ! Did I miss anything ?
You missed nothing - apart from the fact that you can't spell properly and your grammar is appaling.
I would have thought that people as devoted as yourselves would relish a little challenge to voice your opinions regarding your faith and shout from the roof tops to anyone who would listen...
are you scared of people questioning your faith Brother Mike?
I would have thought that people as devoted as yourselves would relish a little challenge to voice your opinions regarding your faith and shout from the roof tops to anyone who would listen...
are you scared of people questioning your faith Brother Mike?
I know this won't be popular but I just feel this way
I have a female cousin in my large extended anglo-irish family who is gay and I firmly believe she has always been this way.
I tell you why...
1. She truly desires to be heterosexual... Life for her would have been far easier (We are an old fashioned irish family coming out was pure agony for her and she waited for my Irish/Jewish Grandmother whom she was idolised by, before she told our family). She told her mum she would have loved to be heterosexual even tried to have a boyfriend to fit in ... it went against all her instincts.
2. She is a perfectionist ... a doctor who wants everything just right. She wishes she could marry and was heartbroken when her sister announced her engagement because she wishes she was "normal".
3. There are 3 months between us ... and as small children she never was interested in playing with myself and other female cousins. My brother was the only boy - she went off and played football. I never understood why she was such a tom boy. She screamed as a child from the moment she was aware if her mum dressed her in anything remotely girly. Refusing to wear dresses and skirts and her mum was well trained as a teacher in child discipline but knew it was hurting her daughter to try and change her. She insisted her hair was short and in a boys style.
4. Life growing up with this burden was agony for her so a choice .... I must say NO. She didn't choose she just is.
If I didn't know my cousin I may think differently. But she has always been the way she is.
Though, I might also add I have kissed many a young man as a young lass and one of my early boyfriends I found later had "come out". Thing is after our first kiss, I couldn't carry the relationship on because I felt like I was either kissing a girl or a brother (not that I have kissed either of the latter) and I just knew in my gut something wasn't right, overwhelmingly unnatural. He met me years later and was so much happier having come out.
I know people will disagree here and don't question God's teachings but just feel this way because of life experience. If it isn't a choice can it be judged? I don't know...
I love and accept my cousin the way she is. She needs our support because life for her has been tough enough already. If I am wrong to feel this way may God forgive me but I feel we must have compassion and understanding.
I have a female cousin in my large extended anglo-irish family who is gay and I firmly believe she has always been this way.
I tell you why...
1. She truly desires to be heterosexual... Life for her would have been far easier (We are an old fashioned irish family coming out was pure agony for her and she waited for my Irish/Jewish Grandmother whom she was idolised by, before she told our family). She told her mum she would have loved to be heterosexual even tried to have a boyfriend to fit in ... it went against all her instincts.
2. She is a perfectionist ... a doctor who wants everything just right. She wishes she could marry and was heartbroken when her sister announced her engagement because she wishes she was "normal".
3. There are 3 months between us ... and as small children she never was interested in playing with myself and other female cousins. My brother was the only boy - she went off and played football. I never understood why she was such a tom boy. She screamed as a child from the moment she was aware if her mum dressed her in anything remotely girly. Refusing to wear dresses and skirts and her mum was well trained as a teacher in child discipline but knew it was hurting her daughter to try and change her. She insisted her hair was short and in a boys style.
4. Life growing up with this burden was agony for her so a choice .... I must say NO. She didn't choose she just is.
If I didn't know my cousin I may think differently. But she has always been the way she is.
Though, I might also add I have kissed many a young man as a young lass and one of my early boyfriends I found later had "come out". Thing is after our first kiss, I couldn't carry the relationship on because I felt like I was either kissing a girl or a brother (not that I have kissed either of the latter) and I just knew in my gut something wasn't right, overwhelmingly unnatural. He met me years later and was so much happier having come out.
I know people will disagree here and don't question God's teachings but just feel this way because of life experience. If it isn't a choice can it be judged? I don't know...
I love and accept my cousin the way she is. She needs our support because life for her has been tough enough already. If I am wrong to feel this way may God forgive me but I feel we must have compassion and understanding.
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Sleepy God bless you. GOD gave us all a choice and through Jesus Christ's defeating against the devil on the Cross, gave us authority over all sin and tempation.
That means your cousin does have a choice.
Let us not forget this very important passage...
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
Some more...
Deuteronomy 23:17
17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
1 Kings 14:24
24 There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
Leviticus 18:22 (KJV):
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
Romans 1:24-32:
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Strength through Jesus Chirst:
Philippians 1:6:
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
Taken from Bible.com (very reliable source)
No one has to live in bondage with an abnormal life of homosexuality nor any other abnormal behavior. No one has to be controlled by pornography. No one has to have evil thoughts plague their minds. There is a way out through what Jesus has done for us. He loves sinners and wants to free us from any evil practices. He will empower those who cry out for deliverance to get free and stay free. Here are the steps you must take to get free:
(1.) Make a total commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ. Be willing to turn your life completely over to the will of God and yield to His plan for your life. This means you must be willing to do anything, go anywhere and give up any thing as He leads. Remember, God will never lead you to do anything that is not in agreement with the Bible. You can trust God. He created you and has a better plan for your life.
(2.) Your must pray and read your Bible daily. You must study and apply the Word of God to overcome Satan's attacks. The way that you resist the attacks of the devil is by quoting the Word of God to him. When the devil came to tempt Jesus, He simply quoted the Word to him. Good praise tapes will also be of a great help when you are tempted. Put one on and start singing along with it.
(3.) You must pray for and seek out a strong Bible believing group of Holy Spirit filled people. You will need their help and fellowship. As you humble yourself and seek help, the Lord will deliver you. Ask God to lead you to someone that can pray the prayer of deliverance for you, as you probably will need to be set free from a demon. You should also seek to be filled with the Holy Spirit as you will need His power to get free and to remain free.
(4.) You must cut off all sources and relationships that would lead you back into sin. The Bible tells us to flee fornication (sexual sins). You must get out of any corrupt entanglements, or areas that you know will be a temptation to you. If you have been hooked on internet pornography subscribe to an Internet Service Provider that will filter out the pornography for you. Destroy all evil books and videos.
(5.) Should you slip or fall back occasionally, repent and get right back up and go on with God. Do not allow the devil to condemn you once you have repented. Put your sin under the blood of Jesus. He will strengthen you and you will win this battle because of the Lord's promise to you. Remember, He loves you and is there to help you. Run to Him when you get in trouble, never run from Him. He will not ever give up on you! We too, will be standing with you for your total healing and deliverance. Philippians 1:6: "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ."
(6.) You must forgive everyone that has ever hurt you. You can only do this through the power of God. You must by a simple act of your will voice the forgiveness and then the Lord will give you the feeling of forgiveness. This may be a while in coming but just keep forgiving when you think of any wrong that has been done to you. The Lord will give you His love for those people who have wronged you.
That means your cousin does have a choice.
Let us not forget this very important passage...
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
Some more...
Deuteronomy 23:17
17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
1 Kings 14:24
24 There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
Leviticus 18:22 (KJV):
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
Romans 1:24-32:
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Strength through Jesus Chirst:
Philippians 1:6:
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
Taken from Bible.com (very reliable source)
No one has to live in bondage with an abnormal life of homosexuality nor any other abnormal behavior. No one has to be controlled by pornography. No one has to have evil thoughts plague their minds. There is a way out through what Jesus has done for us. He loves sinners and wants to free us from any evil practices. He will empower those who cry out for deliverance to get free and stay free. Here are the steps you must take to get free:
(1.) Make a total commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ. Be willing to turn your life completely over to the will of God and yield to His plan for your life. This means you must be willing to do anything, go anywhere and give up any thing as He leads. Remember, God will never lead you to do anything that is not in agreement with the Bible. You can trust God. He created you and has a better plan for your life.
(2.) Your must pray and read your Bible daily. You must study and apply the Word of God to overcome Satan's attacks. The way that you resist the attacks of the devil is by quoting the Word of God to him. When the devil came to tempt Jesus, He simply quoted the Word to him. Good praise tapes will also be of a great help when you are tempted. Put one on and start singing along with it.
(3.) You must pray for and seek out a strong Bible believing group of Holy Spirit filled people. You will need their help and fellowship. As you humble yourself and seek help, the Lord will deliver you. Ask God to lead you to someone that can pray the prayer of deliverance for you, as you probably will need to be set free from a demon. You should also seek to be filled with the Holy Spirit as you will need His power to get free and to remain free.
(4.) You must cut off all sources and relationships that would lead you back into sin. The Bible tells us to flee fornication (sexual sins). You must get out of any corrupt entanglements, or areas that you know will be a temptation to you. If you have been hooked on internet pornography subscribe to an Internet Service Provider that will filter out the pornography for you. Destroy all evil books and videos.
(5.) Should you slip or fall back occasionally, repent and get right back up and go on with God. Do not allow the devil to condemn you once you have repented. Put your sin under the blood of Jesus. He will strengthen you and you will win this battle because of the Lord's promise to you. Remember, He loves you and is there to help you. Run to Him when you get in trouble, never run from Him. He will not ever give up on you! We too, will be standing with you for your total healing and deliverance. Philippians 1:6: "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ."
(6.) You must forgive everyone that has ever hurt you. You can only do this through the power of God. You must by a simple act of your will voice the forgiveness and then the Lord will give you the feeling of forgiveness. This may be a while in coming but just keep forgiving when you think of any wrong that has been done to you. The Lord will give you His love for those people who have wronged you.
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Bobinfaith said:
Dear Brothers and sisters,
What Sparky was sharing was not intended to condone gay activities and my post of the ministry that I was sharing does not condone gay activities. I am encouraged that Liberty Valance's and Sleepy's testimonies, and GirlforGod's reference of The Exodus project, is in sinc of what Sparky and I were discussing.
I was also given the name of Exodus - a prosperous Christian project that is based in Orlando, Florida, and the San Francisco bay area (represents Berkeley, Daly City, Oakland, and San Jose). By the grace of God this organization has helped thousands of gays convert to Christianity, and continue to seek counseling, build up spirituality to fight off the darkness of this deceiving fleshly desire. And its working, thank you, Jesus Christ! You are our carrier, our redeemer! Hallelujah To The Lamb!
Those of you that are sharing your views rebuking the context of "sinful acts" of gays, backed with scripture will get no argument from of us because we are also students of the Word. We are well aware of the gays who still fall back, by their choice, into their fleshy desires, men having sex with men, and women having sex with women, and attend gay churches here in San Francisco! Once again, your views backed with scripture is correct. Praise God for His truth!
This behavior rejects Jesus, then shake the dust off your feet, and lay it before God. Press on, continue the work God has commanded you.
I have observed some of your choice words, text jibberish, combined with "one on one" reactions and comdemnations to other's posts of this topic. I will ask you to please refrain from doing this. It is not fruitful. I will encourage us to remember to focus on our Father, seek what He leads you to post with LOVE, and respect to the author of this thread and others here at Talk Jesus.
Meantime, I will prayfully contact Exodus International in San Francisco, and will ask you all to pray for this ministry and my calling to address some of their Christian clients who are victorious to overcome their bondage of this despicable sin.
Your servant in Christ Jesus.
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girlforgod
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Bobinfaith:
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!! Thank you for putting us all back in our places on this issue. God is truly speaking through you. The sin of homosexuality is no different than the sins we all carry. Satan does love to bring debate among families of believers and I know God was using you to tell us:
[It is not fruitful. I will encourage us to remember to focus on our Father, seek what He leads you to post with LOVE, and respect to the author of this thread and others here at Talk Jesus.]
Since I mentioned my family has personally dealt with this issue let me tell you the one quote a paster said that deeply convicted and humbled me through my family's trial:
"The sin of homosexuality is too often preached about with too little love and too much truth or too much love and not enough truth. There is a balance that Christ can help us find."
Thank you for your words of wisdom, and God Bless you.
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!! Thank you for putting us all back in our places on this issue. God is truly speaking through you. The sin of homosexuality is no different than the sins we all carry. Satan does love to bring debate among families of believers and I know God was using you to tell us:
[It is not fruitful. I will encourage us to remember to focus on our Father, seek what He leads you to post with LOVE, and respect to the author of this thread and others here at Talk Jesus.]
Since I mentioned my family has personally dealt with this issue let me tell you the one quote a paster said that deeply convicted and humbled me through my family's trial:
"The sin of homosexuality is too often preached about with too little love and too much truth or too much love and not enough truth. There is a balance that Christ can help us find."
Thank you for your words of wisdom, and God Bless you.
I make no apologies for anything I have said on this thread ! I have no ill will toward Sparky , and I have said that already . This is a talkjesus site , not a talk homosexuality site ! There have been many imposters who have come to this site to transform it into a secular site through very debateable threads !
Homosexuality is one of those things . Sparky is not one of those who are trying to cause this problem , and I respect him as a brother in the Lord . It is the conversation that has caused the division , as planned by the enemy! Has anyone noticed how this topic keeps coming up here ? Some one comes to the site , and starts these conversations on politics , church and state , homosexuality , and are even using shakespear , and theology to deceive many christians here . The first time you use the word , you are challenged for you're love walk ! The first time you quote the scripture , as Jesus did . You are called a fanatic who needs to be more loving , and understanding !
The word of God is final here ! Many of you are walking right into the trap set by satan himself . These implanted conversations , are working very well for the people who plotted them , and skillfully designed them , so we as christians would fight it out through our own personal struggles ! Go back , and look at who started most of these threads ! Most of them are banned !
Many of us have struggles in our lives and ministries that we would love to overcome . But the word of God , and repentance is the only way a person can be free ! Wake up church ! If you do not , then talkjesus will stray away from what it was ordained to be al along . This will make the enemy very happy . I have little children who I am starting to not let visit talkjesus , because it has gotten away from talking about the great things of God , and starting to become a talkhomosexuality , or politics , or who isn't walking in love and thats not fair , and all this stuff the enemy came here to do !
I make no apologize for trying to contain these devils ,whether you agree with me or not ! Jesus is Lord over this house or it will not stand ! I will continue to shout it from every thread , and every response , until the house is clean ,and God becomes the subject of the day ! Many of you do not like my replies and feel the need to rebuke them . Pray before you do , because God has allowed me to see things that some of you who challenge me cannot see ! This is Gods doing , not mine ! If God sends you a Watchman for the house , and the Watchman cries out that the enemy is here , and you do not listen ,then the enemy will destroy you ! But if you receive the Watchman , and listen to what God shows him about you're enemy , then you will be ready , and able to overcome that same enemy ! God has put me here , to be a Watchman over this house ! Not all people are called to be a Watchman , but God called me to this 20 years ago ! If I sound as though I am boasting , you again have not heard what God is saying to you ! I boast only in the fact that God has shown me our enemy , and many of them have been banned from among us ! All Glory to God who reveals these devils ! BrothersinarmsT4G
Homosexuality is one of those things . Sparky is not one of those who are trying to cause this problem , and I respect him as a brother in the Lord . It is the conversation that has caused the division , as planned by the enemy! Has anyone noticed how this topic keeps coming up here ? Some one comes to the site , and starts these conversations on politics , church and state , homosexuality , and are even using shakespear , and theology to deceive many christians here . The first time you use the word , you are challenged for you're love walk ! The first time you quote the scripture , as Jesus did . You are called a fanatic who needs to be more loving , and understanding !
The word of God is final here ! Many of you are walking right into the trap set by satan himself . These implanted conversations , are working very well for the people who plotted them , and skillfully designed them , so we as christians would fight it out through our own personal struggles ! Go back , and look at who started most of these threads ! Most of them are banned !
Many of us have struggles in our lives and ministries that we would love to overcome . But the word of God , and repentance is the only way a person can be free ! Wake up church ! If you do not , then talkjesus will stray away from what it was ordained to be al along . This will make the enemy very happy . I have little children who I am starting to not let visit talkjesus , because it has gotten away from talking about the great things of God , and starting to become a talkhomosexuality , or politics , or who isn't walking in love and thats not fair , and all this stuff the enemy came here to do !
I make no apologize for trying to contain these devils ,whether you agree with me or not ! Jesus is Lord over this house or it will not stand ! I will continue to shout it from every thread , and every response , until the house is clean ,and God becomes the subject of the day ! Many of you do not like my replies and feel the need to rebuke them . Pray before you do , because God has allowed me to see things that some of you who challenge me cannot see ! This is Gods doing , not mine ! If God sends you a Watchman for the house , and the Watchman cries out that the enemy is here , and you do not listen ,then the enemy will destroy you ! But if you receive the Watchman , and listen to what God shows him about you're enemy , then you will be ready , and able to overcome that same enemy ! God has put me here , to be a Watchman over this house ! Not all people are called to be a Watchman , but God called me to this 20 years ago ! If I sound as though I am boasting , you again have not heard what God is saying to you ! I boast only in the fact that God has shown me our enemy , and many of them have been banned from among us ! All Glory to God who reveals these devils ! BrothersinarmsT4G
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Brotherinarms i commend your zeal,righteousness and for your efforts in protecting this site from the devil.Often i will start a thread or bring up a topic because im unsure of an issue and seek guidance on it.At the same time i will never be "steam rollered" into a way of thinking that does not sit well with my christian concience and is in opposition to the way Jesus would have behaved.Like it or not the world is constantly changing,along with it peoples attitudes and beliefs.Gods laws and requirements of us are set in stone and not open to debate,on this we agree.Jesus himself took a tax gatherer as a disciple,a man reviled in Jewish society,he took the company of prostitutes,he was constantly breaking down barriers in an effort to reach people.I read with great interest brother bobs post on the work he is currently engaged in,do you not feel he needs a measure of empathy to relate to these people?Since joining this site it has become very evident that the holy spirit is here in abundance.There are many in this world who are not so fortunate to be blessed with it.Homosexuality is an issue,it has never been as prolific as it is today,it has never been as accepted as it is today.Where can these people turn for Godly wisdom and understanding if not the likes of us?Organised religion?I think not!It made me want to choke when they started to embrace practicing homosexuals into their congregations even going so far as ordaining some gays as ministers!This site is about truth and if just one person with these unnatural tendencies was bought by the holy spirit to this thread,gained an accurate knowledge,turned his back on his way of life,embraced the love and empathy of the people here and more importantly jesus then it will have been worth it.
Why don't you and anyone else who does not want to listen , take this conversation to a private room where my 12 year old and 8 year old do not have to constantly hear about it . You have not understood what I posted because in it was much wisdom . But you feel as though you are being steamrolled by that wisdom . You should be more compassionate to my children in open forum . Or do they not belong here ? They can get this stuff from watching T.V. ! You will soon see the truth in what I am saying , and will see that you were being used by the enemy . How long have you been saved ? And why are you having such a hard time listening to a pastor who is trying to protect you ? Mike
Then tell you're children the truth about homosexuality ! And learn to trust those among you who are trying to help . You're friend has hope in repentence , and laying down their sin ! Why do you feel there are ways around this ? And are you're children the only ones important to you ? How about my children ? Mike
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I have a question in response to this. The name of this forum is Ethics & Morality Things we deal with in our daily lives. This is pretty much the only forum this topic is discussed in. There are 36 other forums. If Chad didn't feel like this forum wasn't helpful in discussing these things, wouldn't it be removed? I agree it is no topic for your children to openly read through. I have small children, also. But this is a great driving force I am dealing with in my life. My own brother is dealing with this. He is my family, my heart. Are you saying if it was happening in your life, you wouldnt ask questions, try to find Godly answers? Before it was happening directly to me, I felt the same as you. But if I didn't have anyone to talk to, to confide in, should I just condemn him to hell and turn my back? It is not that simple. I came to this site seeking fellowship, and I believe I found that and more. My life has changed just from the Godly advice I have recieved here, but I don't think it's fair to condemn those thats life is affected by this issue from talking about it just because yours is not. I am just being honest and in no way disrespectful. I am truly asking you because I would like to know.
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First of all , how do you know my life is not affected in this way ? I have 2 close family members who are gay ! So I have the qualifications to speak on this . Now you have the info , give it to you're family members and get them help . As far as open forum . You and Strypes and Bob can all set a time aside , and fellowship this in private chat room . And I think Help and Counsel is a better forum , but it would still just go on and on . Why does this have to be in the open all the time , and the main topic all the time ? I have a right to say what the word says about this . Why am I being constantly told that I am not supposed to say the word because it may infringe on homosexuality ! God said it is an abomination , why cant you ? Until the sin is recognized , and not patronized , you're family members will not get free . Brother
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Brother, I hope you do not speak in anger against me. I love you my brother in Christ. Please let me say I would NEVER tell you not to say the Word. I do say it is an abomination if you have read my posts you would see I do NOT condone this lifestyle. I DO NOT patronize my brothers sin. I only seek to call him to repentance in the way Christ would want me to. My posts have not been wishy washy on this subject-I am clear that I believe the Bible is true, therefore I agree with you, so please do not patronize me, my brother. I am just expressing my reasoning behind discussing this issue. Let's resolve this in love.
In calling my brother who is living a sinful lifestyle to repentance I call on these two verses for wisdom:
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Matthew 7:1,2 Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge; you will be judged and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.
Matthew 7:12 In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treet you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Please know I know and have almost every scripture on this horrible issue memorized and know them as well. But it is wise to refer to other verses as well. But in everything there must be a measure of truth and love....
In calling my brother who is living a sinful lifestyle to repentance I call on these two verses for wisdom:
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Matthew 7:1,2 Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge; you will be judged and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.
Matthew 7:12 In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treet you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Please know I know and have almost every scripture on this horrible issue memorized and know them as well. But it is wise to refer to other verses as well. But in everything there must be a measure of truth and love....
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I have an uncle who is also gay and lives with his, well...man. They are both kind hearted people but guess what? They face eternal punishment if they do not repent. GOD made it clear many times and does not change such commandments.
Don't let the devil stop you or deceive you to back off in any way. Preach, pray, buy him books that are Christian related. Pray more.
Don't let the devil stop you or deceive you to back off in any way. Preach, pray, buy him books that are Christian related. Pray more.
Homosexuality is a plague. In the Bible, it says in the last days, a plague will be put upon the earth and will destroy. People are confused yes. My dear friend was a homosexual, and she was told all her life she was, and she was raped by her father repeatedly, and she just believed what everyone told her. She went along with it. But she found God, and is completely delivered. No, I dont think it's genetic, though some do. When children grow up thinking it is ok, then that will be another generation to go against God's word. I believe it is just the Bible fulfilling the prophesies. (My opinion) I do not think it is genetic, but we need to do all we can to help those souls. We need to love them.
God Bless
Sis in Christ
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God Bless
Sis in Christ
Lnrobar
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I just feel so strongly that we as Christians can not just say this is something we detest and turn our backs. There is a Gay Agenda that satan is carrying out and we must not be naive, this will hurt our children much much more. There is a book: The Gay Agenda: It's Dividing the Family, the Church, and a Nation
by Ronnie W. Floyd
It talks about how we have to be aware that this filth is infiltrating our schools, our churches, our home through television and commercials and how we can join the war against this plot of satan by standing firm in the Word. I have two small children, I have to continue to find a way to protect them and teach the the truth while dealing with this in my own family! How difficult. It is such a struggle. God Bless you.
by Ronnie W. Floyd
It talks about how we have to be aware that this filth is infiltrating our schools, our churches, our home through television and commercials and how we can join the war against this plot of satan by standing firm in the Word. I have two small children, I have to continue to find a way to protect them and teach the the truth while dealing with this in my own family! How difficult. It is such a struggle. God Bless you.
