Is homosexuality a result of imperfection?

[Mike]

Dear Brother in Arms


I appreciate all you do to help keep this site safe from those who would come here to make a mockery of God and the Christians here that want to help hurting people find hope.

I would like to apologize to you for any comment that you feel has been against you.


I am human and I make mistakes. I want to be at peace with you so that God is Glorified, and Talk Jesus can continue helping the hurting.

x

God is Glorified in the very fact that even in battle , we are all trying to do the same thing here . Love and restore the broken and wounded ! I already for gave you , because you did not have the opportunity to see the things I was seeing . But you do see the broken , and have been very consistent in walking in love ! Some do the battle , so the others have the freedom to heal , and restore ! In all things , we are a family , and we will defeat this surge of imposters who have come to steal the rights of all who need Jesus Christ ! Strypes , you are a vessel of love to the broken , and God made you that way ! I am thankful , for that love because it is the saving force God uses to help his people . I love you , and there is nothing to forgive . You are Gods child , and he wants us all to work together for the great harvest he will send to talkjesus ! Get ready for many are coming , and will be directed to you're loving hands , and God will do great things through you ! But as for me , I will stand at the gate , and do my best to make sure you have all the room you need to perform the great work that God will do here at talkjesus ! Love Brother Mike :boy_hug:

 

[sparky]

brother mike,its nearly midnight here and rather than being tucked up in bed im typing this because i cant sleep.I have been going over and over in my head our various"exchanges"today and to be totally honest im completely confused and have lost my peace.You make much mention of "wolves"and"imposters",who are they?and if they are known why are they still here?Apart from a few obvious idiots the majority of members are genuine christians with a desire to express themselves.Is there some conspiracy that has completely passed me by?And why are you so angry all the time?Im now going back to bed to try and sleep,i will pray that my peace be restored and pray for you too mike.

 

[Bobinfaith]

brother mike,its nearly midnight here and rather than being tucked up in bed im typing this because i cant sleep.I have been going over and over in my head our various"exchanges"today and to be totally honest im completely confused and have lost my peace.You make much mention of "wolves"and"imposters",who are they?and if they are known why are they still here?Apart from a few obvious idiots the majority of members are genuine christians with a desire to express themselves.Is there some conspiracy that has completely passed me by?And why are you so angry all the time?Im now going back to bed to try and sleep,i will pray that my peace be restored and pray for you too mike.

Dear Sparky,

Be at peace, brother, get some sleep..lol! Allow me to share my joy and testimony. I was able to make contact with Exodus International here in the Bay area and will meet with them to learn more about their ministry. They are more than happy to share how the program works in San Francisco aside from just researching on the net. Nothing beats "live testimony", amen?

They will ask some of their clients if they would be willing to share their life exerience and conversion to receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and how they began and continue to walk in His light and abide by His commandments. This is a delicate request on my part but one or two clients may be willing to come forth and give their testimony. It may be an encouragement for others who frequent Talk Jesus and this thread.

BrothersinArms,

Your point was well made many, many posts ago. The Lord expects you protect your children as you should, brother. You have nothing to apologize for nor does Sparky. At the same time brother Sparky had this topic in his heart, needed to search for answers and stayed within the confines of Talk Jesus policies during his thread.

Meantime, brothers and sisters, say what will be said. I will still do the Lord's work, followup with Exodus International with a glad heart, and have all the faith in the world that God will send His healed children to share the transformation made in their life at Talk Jesus.

Your servant in Christ Jesus.

 

[Mike]

I pray that many will come to know Jesus Christ , through all you are doing in you're ministry Bob . And I also pray that many will come to talkjesus and be a testimony of hope to all who are struggling with this , and any other sins that we all battle everyday ! Grace and peace to you Bobinfaith ! Brother Mike :thumbs_up

 

[Jonah2005]

Bible Knowledge on homosexuality

Bible Knowledge on homosexuality:

Genesis 19:5
and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them."

Leviticus 18:22
`You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
`If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.


Deuteronomy 23:17
"None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult prostitute.

Judges 19:22
While they were making merry, behold, the men of the city, certain worthless fellows, surrounded the house, pounding the door; and they spoke to the owner of the house, the old man, saying, "Bring out the man who came into your house that we may have relations with him."

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

1 Timothy 1:10
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

Jude 1:7
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

 

[LindenLady]

Homosexuality is a sin... Murder is a sin,...Lying is a sin, Coveting the neighors new Corvette is a sin...

Sin is sin, no matter what sin it is.. None is greater than any other in God's eyes.. only in human eyes is one worse than the other.. or give different degrees of badness. We still are obligated to love the sinner, but hate the sin. We ALL are sinners and We ALL are as filthy rags in the sight of God... so although many of us say we don't like homosexuals because of the sin, then perhaps they look at us and say they don't like us because we lie, or covet something of our neighbors.

There are homosexuals in our own congregations.. many of whom you would not know they are homosexuals.. many do not practice homosexuality but are attracted to members of their own sex. I have a friend that is "Gay" and I asked her quite frankly why she was Gay... She said she really did not know, but she felt attracted to women all of her life. But she also studies the Bible with envyable regularity.. and she does more to help people that are in need than many of the " straight" people in our town.

Now in the case of what I call "Flaming Homosexuals" that flaunt their sins in our faces and are not a bit repentent... I simply avoid even looking their way, but I do pray for them, and hope that one day, they will step down and realize that they need God and will be drawn to Him..

Well, I am off to bed before my hubby comes in here and starts tapping his foot.... Lol..

Good night my friends.

 

[Life49]

A very interesting topic.

A very interesting topic.

The homosexuality issue is alive here in Australia. The homosexual community every year have their Gay Pageant here in Sydney Australia. Just recently the Australian Government was approached by this community to make homosexual marriages legal.

I thank God that both sides of our political system oppose the idea of homosexual marriages. I just don't agree with this lifestyle. In my opinion, God made Adam an Eve to live together in marriage, not Adam and Steve.

Many homosexual people can be good, law abiding people. I just think their homosexual lifestyles are not in line with how God made us all.

Thank you for posting this topic

God Bless
Life49

 

[rhomphaia]

Idol worship and homosexuality

I would advise anyone confused about this issue to read romans 1, a book ahead of its time, because christianity seems to be the only religion that even bothers to explain why God hates homosexuality.

According to Romans 1, homosexuality is actually the last ingredient to the pot-pourri of consequences that follow a society that associates God with idols.Ezekiel hints that sodom and gomorrah sinned because they ignored the poor ( a worship of good times and money/material wealth usually leads to selfishness towards the poor.)

Homosexuality is the last thing a human can do before God abandons him over to a "peverse and debased mind-to do what ought not to be done."

I never understand how unhygienic anal sex can be the source of pleasure for some.When people argue they were "born that way", they disqualify God from having the right to judge them.

David was hopelessly into illicit hetero-sex, but he did not excuse his situation, but threw himself before God with a desire to change.God called him "a man after my own heart" even though he knew David would sin one day.Read psalms 51 to see david's desperation for purity.

I believe this is the attitude that men who are caught up in gay sex should adopt, not some evolutionary psychosis that their genes are to blame.A survey indicated once that more than 70% of gay sex is as a result of experimentation, since most gay sex is done orally.

Masculinity is bestowed, not inherited.It is a mental attitude concerning how males should relate with other males.Most of us lack it because of poor male role models who leave us yearning for male acceptance, leading to gay experimentation to gain "male affirmation" through gay sex.

God is the only one who can liberate those caught in this trap.I pray that they run to Him to heal them.

 

[JonathanAB]

I may be wrong about this, I am not 100% certain, this is just how I have come to understand this.

I have come to understand homosexuality as being better described as heterophobia. Its similar to racism. People develop a general hatred towards others of a particular group as a consequence of generalising the abuse they have sufferred. For some, this is ingrained at a very early age.

One guy I knew had six older sisters, and was as queer as a duck with webbed wings and feathers on its feet! A girl I know was raped by her own father, and so hated all men. As for the anal 'sex', it has something to do with being left in dirty nappies for too long. Its alot to do with neglect as a child. The child is not taught to say 'poofy' at the poop with the expression of disgust on the caregivers face.

I do not believe for a moment that people are born this way. But they do mostly have these tendencies from the time they are very little children. They often cannot remember their early childhood (who of us can?), so it feels like they have always been that way.

Its a commonly known idea that men are often attracted to women who remind them of their mother. Or, of the mother-figure, like older, influential sisters. And for women, vice versa.

By the same token, if a man had an abusive figure in that role, (it need not be the mother, very often a 'nanny' plays this role) then he grows up with a fear of women.

This is why God and Jesus (or a priest, or the virgin Mary) are vitally important in the lives of these people, as God (or a nun) then becomes a foster parent to the person, who then begins to look for someone who reminds them of such a role model.

If you are a parent of a homosexual, it could very easily be another that has taken your role, and poisoned your child's understanding of the role they must take. But blame is of no importance. No human is without sin, nobody is a perfect parent. Having an opposite gender role model is what they need. And its never to late.

And who better for a role model than Jesus or Mary, or Elizabeth, or one of the Saints?

I think that this is why Jesus tells us in
Mark 9:42
'And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were cast into the sea'.

Its also important to remember that Jesus forgives.
And NONE of us, mere people, are without sin.
...

 

[Repent2BSaved]

Is homosexuality the result of imperfection?

No. God made everyone the way they should be. If you believe they are "imperfect" in some way, you are saying that God does not do good work.

I believe we are in end times (like so many since Jesus rose from the grave), and I do not understand why people are so concerned about gay rights. The bible says that sin would be running rampant, that false prophets would abound, and that families would be divided. We should be looking hopefully to God and praising Him that His revelations are coming true in our time. The worse things get, the more motivating it should be. If you spend too much time trying to analyze sin, you may not realize that you have been caught up in its web!

Our job is to praise God morning, noon, and night and to witness to the lost. I respect ministries that reach out to specific groups, but the rest of us need to just reach out. We just need to spread the gospel- OFTEN. God's word will not return to Him void. Just get the message out there and leave the conversion up to God.

Turn your eyes upon Jesus.

 

[freedongrace]

this subject not ever have to be questioned

God never created man with a so-called "homosexual need." No baby is born a homosexual. Every baby is born male or female.
The genetic concept must be ruled out completely. There are some that would claim that being homosexual isn't a choice, but it is. A person can either choose to live morally or immorally.With that choice comes consequences.

Romans
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves.

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
OT
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22)

The Old Testament (OT) also condemns "sodomites," which were male temple prostitutes (I Kings 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; II Kings 23:7).

While Christians respect homosexuals as human beings, we do not condone or accept their behavior as morally benign.THey absolutely need to turn to the Lord.

One last statement it is unnatural and wrong you do not see dogs or any other animal pursing the same sex. God gave us intellectural brains and them being less smart have more sense and respect towards God's creation than some people.It's just a willful,immoral.disobedient behavior on the homosexuals part.

 

[saved one]

I would like to express myself, I gave this subject alot of tought, and I think that homosexuality is no different than people that are handicap or that have to coope with a serious sickness.

You see I think its like a cross for the ones afflicted by it, they must carry this cross,

It pleases god to see them beleiving in him, resisting their homosexual urges, praying to stay strong, only by being in the lord can one overcome this terrible inperfection. But the ones that give way to their abominable desires are sinning not because it is a genetic imperfection but because they are without god and in darkness.

God can cure all! he can make Blind men see, rise the dead, if he can do these great things how much more can he help the ones suffering from homosexuality! And great strenght will they receive if they beleive!


"Come to me, all of you who are weary and loaded down with burdens, and I will give you rest.
-Matthew 11:28

 

[dchena]

I would like to express myself, I gave this subject alot of tought, and I think that homosexuality is no different than people that are handicap or that have to coope with a serious sickness.

For what it's worth...

I think the difference is that to people who identify themselves as homosexual they are talking about their identity, not something that has happened to them, a birth defect, the result of an injury, or an illness, etc. When you talk to someone about their 'homosexuality' it often seems that you are attacking their very identity, as basic as being male or female. And they are so offended by God because they feel like scripture is attacking the very essence of who they are, not what they do, or what has been done to them via the enemy. Homosexuality has been so closely linked to identity that most cannot, and refuse to, see that there is a distinction, and are thus seriously offended. That seems to be a real obstical for people bringing themselves to repentance, why they stay offended. Also, why people can so vehemently defend homosexuality in the arena of 'rights'. I guess this mostly applies to non-Christians, as they have not accepted a new identity in Christ.

 

[Shawn1313]

Um...hi

I am kind of new, and I feel rather out of place, lol. But I am gay, and Christian, and I believe I was made/born this way and it is not sinful, gross, or wrong. I have a really awesome family, parents, friends and siblings. I have a spouse (male) who I love. Our Church is great.

Well yeah, I hope everyone has a nice day. :embarasse

 

[Shawn1313]

I just feel so strongly that we as Christians can not just say this is something we detest and turn our backs. There is a Gay Agenda that satan is carrying out and we must not be naive, this will hurt our children much much more. There is a book: The Gay Agenda: It's Dividing the Family, the Church, and a Nation
by Ronnie W. Floyd
It talks about how we have to be aware that this filth is infiltrating our schools, our churches, our home through television and commercials and how we can join the war against this plot of satan by standing firm in the Word. I have two small children, I have to continue to find a way to protect them and teach the the truth while dealing with this in my own family! How difficult. It is such a struggle. God Bless you.

Wowzas! I assure you, my only agenda is having equal legal protection, lol. My spouse and I aren't going to hell for our love. We don't need people praying for us. Pray for people who need it: those in poverty, those who are victims of violence, etc.

 

[Chad]

My spouse and I aren't going to hell for our love.

But I am gay, and Christian, and I believe I was made/born this way and it is not sinful, gross, or wrong

Jesus Christ says otherwise. So you cannot call yourself a Christian do whatever you please against what GOD says is pure and Holy. That is clearly hypocritical.

You're not fooling anyone nor GOD ultimately. You are not "born gay". Otherwise, Hitler was born a murderer then. Sounds right? No it does not.

http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-bible-answers/197-homosexuality.html

Plenty of Scripture for "Christians" to read in that link.

 

[HisFollower]

The truth is hid from the wise and prudent(i.e scholastic achievers), and revealed to babes(i.e. those that simply believe God´s word and obey it). To analyze why people deliberately sin, and defy righteousness needs no analysis, rather it is simply what the person chooses. It is to be carnally minded to seek out why people willfully sin, but it is spiritually minded to repent. Sin always seeks to justify itself, but righteousness never does.

 

[spirit1st]

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

We can ONLY go by scriptures and we can always make our Own excuses if we want? But I will always take the LORDS living Words over mankinds wisdom

 

[spirit1st]

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

I do not hate you !But you need to repent of that evil and fast and pray to overcome these evil desires! Only GOD can free you of these evil demons whpo drive you tpo live in sin!


WE either live for the LORD or the devil ! We cannot serve both!
At SALVATION , WE give ourselves to Him 100% He then owns us! We are no longer in full control!

I would say , your not born -again and like living in sin!

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

 

[Bayo Bankole]

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

I do not hate you !But you need to repent of that evil and fast and pray to overcome these evil desires! Only GOD can free you of these evil demons whpo drive you tpo live in sin!


WE either live for the LORD or the devil ! We cannot serve both!
At SALVATION , WE give ourselves to Him 100% He then owns us! We are no longer in full control!

I would say , your not born -again and like living in sin!

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

The problem is that people are are simply trying to use the laws and permisives of men to overide the commands of God. Shawn1313 should note the issues and scriptures we are being reminded of by spirit1st.

Note that it is not all that go to Church or even call Jesus "Lord, Lord" that shall enter His kingdom.The issue is very straight forward, God created man and woman different. He created the woman after seeing the need in the life of the man.

Men that practice homosexuality are only trying to use it as a cover for deep emotional needs or complexes. The escape route is to turn to the Lord and the grace He provides in His word.