Is Jesus really God?

[EphremHagos]

Unprecedented counterfeiting and resisting the Spirit, without testing and judging the full terms of reference in the Scriptures, makes love easily self-serving! That is the trouble.

And Love is God, Himself! If His Spirit is in us and we are not quenching that Spirit, it will be a self-serving sacrifice, will it?

 

[amadeus2]

Unprecedented counterfeiting and resisting the Spirit, without testing and judging the full terms of reference in the Scriptures, makes love easily self-serving! That is the trouble.

And the scriptures themselves are what, if they are not written on our hearts by the Spirit of God? They are not the Word of God. They are only potential. Without the Spirit quickening them in a person's heart they will remain potential.

Atheists often know the literal written scriptures better than many who are called Christians. Does a person need to have the brain of an Einstein to have the Word of God alive in him? Isn't a person with a brain comparable to the brain of Einstein one of those rich who because of his richness will have as much difficulty in entering the kingdom of God as a camel has in fitting through the eye of a needle?

Does not the Spirit of God know what is counterfeit and what is real? Does not the Spirit of God know what is resistence and what is submission?

Real Love, as God defines it, is unmistakable to God, and to anyone who both has God's Spirit within and is following the lead of that Spirit! Who is always in the place where God wants him to be: The Bible scholar, or the man who is really praying without ceasing and who is really rejoicing in the Lord always? It is not wrong to study, but study of the Bible without God's Spirit will accomplish nothing good!

 

[EphremHagos]

Strictly speaking, Scriptures are long fulfilled and their final authority in all matters of faith and worship superseded by Jesus Christ's perpetual self-revelation, "as he really is", a.k.a., God Almighty and the Father, in the kind of unique death Jesus suffered, at the announcement: "It is finished". (John 19:30).

Today, this is overlooked at incalculable costs by Christians and their churches.

And the scriptures themselves are what, if they are not written on our hearts by the Spirit of God? They are not the Word of God. They are only potential. Without the Spirit quickening them in a person's heart they will remain potential.

Atheists often know the literal written scriptures better than many who are called Christians. Does a person need to have the brain of an Einstein to have the Word of God alive in him? Isn't a person with a brain comparable to the brain of Einstein one of those rich who because of his richness will have as much difficulty in entering the kingdom of God as a camel has in fitting through the eye of a needle?

Does not the Spirit of God know what is counterfeit and what is real? Does not the Spirit of God know what is resistence and what is submission?

Real Love, as God defines it, is unmistakable to God, and to anyone who both has God's Spirit within and is following the lead of that Spirit! Who is always in the place where God wants him to be: The Bible scholar, or the man who is really praying without ceasing and who is really rejoicing in the Lord always? It is not wrong to study, but study of the Bible without God's Spirit will accomplish nothing good!

 

[amadeus2]

Strictly speaking, Scriptures are long fulfilled and their final authority in all matters of faith and worship superseded by Jesus Christ's perpetual self-revelation, "as he really is", a.k.a., God Almighty and the Father, in the kind of unique death Jesus suffered, at the announcement: "It is finished". (John 19:30).

Today, this is overlooked at incalculable costs by Christians and their churches.

You will have to translate what you are saying to me. I am uncertain of your meaning.

Yes, when Jesus said "It is finished" His personal work was done in that veil of flesh. He had completely overcome everything that made it impossible for a man to go through the gate that was guarded and then to partake of the Tree of Life. He also made it possible for a person to prepare to go through the gate. Jesus became, in effect, the gate or the Door. Still, each person must choose to go through the Door. Each person must choose to put on the proper garments in order to go through...

 

[EphremHagos]

I cannot say anything more than mentioning the given state of the art in the Scriptures, a.k.a., "the key", which is the "first and the last" and experientially verifiable kind of death Jesus suffered, viz.: Spirit-active, perfect and diacritical although completely misrepresented at great cost in Christian theology and by the churches.

God bless!

(John 8: 21-32; 19: 30-37; Acts 1; 2; Col. 2: 1: 15-23; 2: 1-5; Rev. 1: 12-18; 5)

You will have to translate what you are saying to me. I am uncertain of your meaning.

Yes, when Jesus said "It is finished" His personal work was done in that veil of flesh. He had completely overcome everything that made it impossible for a man to go through the gate that was guarded and then to partake of the Tree of Life. He also made it possible for a person to prepare to go through the gate. Jesus became, in effect, the gate or the Door. Still, each person must choose to go through the Door. Each person must choose to put on the proper garments in order to go through...

 

[David777]

Hello Amadeus2.

You stated;

"What is according to Jesus the first and greatest commandment? And what is the second?
Neither of them are to have sound doctrine!"
Both commandments are were given within the context of the New Covenant.

Life, joy and peace are granted in the reconciliation that Christ established.

They are both doctrine and truth at the same time!

Love from a pure heart is indeed the goal of our instruction and they are also
very sound doctrine.

 

[amadeus2]

I cannot say anything more than mentioning the given state of the art in the Scriptures, a.k.a., "the key", which is the "first and the last" and experientially verifiable kind of death Jesus suffered, viz.: Spirit-active, perfect and diacritical although completely misrepresented at great cost in Christian theology and by the churches.

God bless!

(John 8: 21-32; 19: 30-37; Acts 1; 2; Col. 2: 1: 15-23; 2: 1-5; Rev. 1: 12-18; 5)

I certainly hope your English is of a simpler variety when you are speaking to the average Joe on the street about Jesus.

 

[amadeus2]

Hello Amadeus2.

You stated;

"What is according to Jesus the first and greatest commandment? And what is the second?
Neither of them are to have sound doctrine!"
Both commandments are were given within the context of the New Covenant.

Life, joy and peace are granted in the reconciliation that Christ established.

They are both doctrine and truth at the same time!

Love from a pure heart is indeed the goal of our instruction and they are also
very sound doctrine.

Yes, I certainly agree that they are sound doctrine.

 

[Margaux]

Food for thought.
Hebrews 11: 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (KJV)
Is Jesus God? Let’s look at a little part of His life.
When a paralyzed man was let down through the roof wanting to be healed by him, Jesus said, "Son, your sins are forgiven you” The religious leaders immediately reacted. "Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" When Jesus life was on trial for his life, the high priest put the question to him directly: "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?"
"I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
The high priest tore his clothes. "Why do we need any more witnesses?" he asked. "You have heard the blasphemy."
 Jesus' connection with God was so close that he equated a person's attitude to Himself with the person's attitude toward God.
 Thus, to know Him was to know God.
 To see Him was to see God.
 To believe in Him was to believe in God.
 To receive Him was to receive God.
 To hate Him was to hate God.
 And to honour Him was to honour God.
Points to ponder:
 How close is your and my connection with Jesus Christ?
 Do we have an identity in Christ Jesus?
 Do we think of Jesus as our Mediator?
 Do we depend on Jesus in our relationship with Him? Or do we depend on self?
Fact:
Jesus Identity is and was in God who was His Father.
Jesus promised His Diciples that He will send the comforter and He did ! He sent the the Holy Spirit.
I conclude:
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

[EphremHagos]

You asked, "Does a person need to have the brain of an Einstein to have the Word of God alive in him"?

The question is an under-statement!

Every person needs much more than the brain of Einstein, viz.: the Holy Spirit, to know God directly and personally; and to have his word alive in him. Unless God reveals himself, people try in vain to know him. This is what the gospel is all about!

And the scriptures themselves are what, if they are not written on our hearts by the Spirit of God? They are not the Word of God. They are only potential. Without the Spirit quickening them in a person's heart they will remain potential.

Atheists often know the literal written scriptures better than many who are called Christians. Does a person need to have the brain of an Einstein to have the Word of God alive in him? Isn't a person with a brain comparable to the brain of Einstein one of those rich who because of his richness will have as much difficulty in entering the kingdom of God as a camel has in fitting through the eye of a needle?

Does not the Spirit of God know what is counterfeit and what is real? Does not the Spirit of God know what is resistence and what is submission?

Real Love, as God defines it, is unmistakable to God, and to anyone who both has God's Spirit within and is following the lead of that Spirit! Who is always in the place where God wants him to be: The Bible scholar, or the man who is really praying without ceasing and who is really rejoicing in the Lord always? It is not wrong to study, but study of the Bible without God's Spirit will accomplish nothing good!

 

[amadeus2]

You asked, "Does a person need to have the brain of an Einstein to have the Word of God alive in him"?

The question is an under-statement!

Every person needs much more than the brain of Einstein, viz.: the Holy Spirit, to know God directly and personally; and to have his word alive in him. Unless God reveals himself, people try in vain to know him. This is what the gospel is all about!

Yes, as Jesus put it:

"The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here." Matt 12:42

And also

"Verily verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12

 

[EphremHagos]

Strange as it may sound, Jesus' warning makes much more sense today than at the time it was uttered!

Yes, as Jesus put it:

"The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here." Matt 12:42

And also

"Verily verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12

 

[EphremHagos]

The difficulty is not in my proficiency of the English language (of which I have a fairly good working knowledge) but in understanding who is absolutely beyond human understanding, a.k.a., Jesus Christ.

I certainly hope your English is of a simpler variety when you are speaking to the average Joe on the street about Jesus.

 

[EphremHagos]

How is the following for answer?

"When you lift up the Son of Man, you will know that 'I Am Who I Am'; then you will know that I do nothing on my own authority, but I say only what the Father has instructed me to say."

John 8:28

 

[EphremHagos]

The problem is the following.

"The meaning of every prophetic vision is hidden from you; it will be like a sealed scroll. If you giver it to someone who knows how to read and ask him to read it, he will say he can't because it is sealed. If you give it to someone who can't read and ask him to read it to you, he will answer he doesn't know how".

Isa. 29: 11-12


More contemporarily, Jesus said the following to his disciples.

"The knowledge about the secrets of the Kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. For the person who has something will be given more, so that he will have more than enough; but the person who has nothing will have taken away from him even the little he has."

Matt. 13: 11-12
Even if disciples are given understanding of the mysteries of the Kingdom, it is absolutely beyond them to do the same to others. Therefore, better proficiency in my English will not make any difference at all. God is self-revealing!

I certainly hope your English is of a simpler variety when you are speaking to the average Joe on the street about Jesus.

 

[amadeus2]

Strange as it may sound, Jesus' warning makes much more sense today than at the time it was uttered!

Well at least equal today! Amen my friend!

 

[amadeus2]

The difficulty is not in my proficiency of the English language (of which I have a fairly good working knowledge) but in understanding who is absolutely beyond human understanding, a.k.a., Jesus Christ.

Yes, even as Jesus spoke, in effect, in an unknown tongue when He spoke in parables, so is it with our speech to others about the things of God. Those to whom it is given to understand will understand. Those to whom it is not, will not.

 

[amadeus2]

How is the following for answer?

"When you lift up the Son of Man, you will know that 'I Am Who I Am'; then you will know that I do nothing on my own authority, but I say only what the Father has instructed me to say."

John 8:28

If we able to always speak just exactly as Jesus did, we will do well:

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1

"...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak" Ecc 3:7

Jesus always spoke His Father's words when He spoke. He also knew when to be silent:

"And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee.

But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled." Mark 15:4-5

Sometimes we need to be silent, but we must also when to speak out! Give God the glory!

 

[amadeus2]

The problem is the following.

"The meaning of every prophetic vision is hidden from you; it will be like a sealed scroll. If you giver it to someone who knows how to read and ask him to read it, he will say he can't because it is sealed. If you give it to someone who can't read and ask him to read it to you, he will answer he doesn't know how".

Isa. 29: 11-12


More contemporarily, Jesus said the following to his disciples.

"The knowledge about the secrets of the Kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. For the person who has something will be given more, so that he will have more than enough; but the person who has nothing will have taken away from him even the little he has."

Matt. 13: 11-12
Even if disciples are given understanding of the mysteries of the Kingdom, it is absolutely beyond them to do the same to others. Therefore, better proficiency in my English will not make any difference at all. God is self-revealing!

Amen! I agree!

 

[EphremHagos]

There is the Christ of the gospels; and there is the false Jesus of personal faith.

The former has come and is still present with the "real proof" of his divine identity and absolute authority, as Almighty God in person, a.k.a., "I Am Who I Am", in the kind of death he suffered. Open to detailed verification, what we have is "the first and the last" death of its kind or "Alpha and Omega" characterized as Spirit-active, perfect and transfigurative complete with the diacritical mark of baptism with the Holy Spirit.

With no independently verifiable credentials whatsoever, the latter is very popular but unreliable.

All comments are welcome!