Is there a Division between the sin and person in homosexuality

[Bendito]

@Bendito
@Curtis

You guys strayed from the topic. None of my concern but you both have the option to message each other directly.

LOL I guess we did! Thanks Ivar

 

[Bill]

Yes it did...That was not our covenant. We are still in the covenant of Grace...They were in the covenant of law...Since we live by faith in Gods Grace we have no excuse to judge anybody or to not love them as our Father loves them...Right? Hate the sin all you want but if you won't love the person....then you're in sin.

This subject is a little out of contents of this post. But in reguards to living by faith in Gods grace, todays christians have moved onto another path. Many, even here in this forum are not living by faith, but by confirmation.

 

[Bill]

@Bendito
@Curtis

You guys strayed from the topic. None of my concern but you both have the option to message each other directly.

Thank you

 

[Bendito]

This subject is a little out of contents of this post. But in reguards to living by faith in Gods grace, todays christians have moved onto another path. Many, even here in this forum are not living by faith, but by confirmation.

Explain?

 

[Bill]

Explain?

Im going to start another post on this same issue.

 

[Bill]

Explain?

Thred

 

[Sue D.]

I've just been reading through these posts.

Sometimes friends, relatives who are homosexual and want to spend the night, are simply testing 'us' to see if we're going to 'allow' them to practice their sexual behavior in our home behind Our closed doors.

My response would be -- as a friend / relative -- people would already know my views on the subject -- to assume - at the end of the evening that they are going to a motel or where ever to spend the night.

And as a friend / relative -- if I were the person in a homosexual relationship -- I wouldn't even suggest spending the night. I would be respectful of the home I was visiting and excuse myself.

And, no, homosexuality is Not just another sin. It affects our body and the body of another person with us. It affects us emotionally, physically, psychologically. And it goes against God's plan for sexual activity.

There are plenty of ways to show love for another person without being sexual.

 

[Bill]

I've just been reading through these posts.

Sometimes friends, relatives who are homosexual and want to spend the night, are simply testing 'us' to see if we're going to 'allow' them to practice their sexual behavior in our home behind Our closed doors.

My response would be -- as a friend / relative -- people would already know my views on the subject -- to assume - at the end of the evening that they are going to a motel or where ever to spend the night.

And as a friend / relative -- if I were the person in a homosexual relationship -- I wouldn't even suggest spending the night. I would be respectful of the home I was visiting and excuse myself.

And, no, homosexuality is Not just another sin. It affects our body and the body of another person with us. It affects us emotionally, physically, psychologically. And it goes against God's plan for sexual activity.

There are plenty of ways to show love for another person without being sexual.

Thank you Sue, you are much more eloquent than i.

There is a big differance between the sin of homosexuality and stealing, though both are sins. Homosexuality includes a deeper willfulness. You know it is against human nature, you know it is against God's will. You flaunt it when you know it bothers others. And even though you know these things. Still do it.

Paul tells us in Romans, of what they will reap with this behavior. He is more explicit on homosexuality than any other single sin.

Pastor Malici Marten stated that homosexuality is the perfect possession. Most who experience this darkness (possession) dont want anything to do with it. Homosexuals embrace it.

 

[Dave M]

to me it this sin is very similar to any type of sexual behavior outside of marriage. meaning if you think God made you that way well thats still not a excuse to have homosexual relations Abstain from it just like people who choose to be single all there life should abstain from any normal sexual relations

, its all bad unless its between a man and a women that are MARRIED. .

 

[Sue D.]

Im going to start another post on this same issue.

What will it be called ? I'd be interested in it.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I've just been reading through these posts.

Sometimes friends, relatives who are homosexual and want to spend the night, are simply testing 'us' to see if we're going to 'allow' them to practice their sexual behavior in our home behind Our closed doors.

My response would be -- as a friend / relative -- people would already know my views on the subject -- to assume - at the end of the evening that they are going to a motel or where ever to spend the night.

And as a friend / relative -- if I were the person in a homosexual relationship -- I wouldn't even suggest spending the night. I would be respectful of the home I was visiting and excuse myself.

And, no, homosexuality is Not just another sin. It affects our body and the body of another person with us. It affects us emotionally, physically, psychologically. And it goes against God's plan for sexual activity.

There are plenty of ways to show love for another person without being sexual.

Hello Sister Sue,
Well said. A couple of short stories on this area of what is acceptable verses what is not.

A co-worker has in laws (man/woman), who were married for close to 45 years and divorced. They live in the same town, and still interact. They came down to her house to visit for some type of occasion. Knowing ahead of time, she asked me what she should do. Apparently they were starting to see each other again. I told her since they were still divorced that I'd provide them separate sleeping accommodations or the option to go stay at a hotel if that wasn't satisfactory to them. She liked the idea, but did not follow through with it. Instead she provided them, on behest of her husband whose parents they are, a bedroom to share. Hard to stick to your guns when your spouse doesn't see it your way.

Sometimes it's difficult to do, but you have to stay faithful to what you believe. Another quick story. My daughter came home from the Navy with a boyfriend to visit. They wanted to share the same bedroom. I asked if they were married, and they said no. So, I told them unless they got married real quick, she could have her old room, and he could have our comfy couch. I then pulled him aside and told him that if he decided to sneak into her room and I caught him. If I didn't shoot him outright (don't own a gun), he would be immediately thrown out the house. I let him know that I couldn't control what they did away from my home being adults (questionable), but I wasn't going to allow the rules that they knew to be broken. Of course I said all this with a smile, so he could see my missing tooth, which I guess makes folks think I'm from out of the backwoods somewhere and likely to do something strange, but truly on my part I was trying to show the love I have for them both.

Thankfully they both married other people. My daughter a Navy Man, who professes to believe (truly hope so), and the young man married to another young girl and they run a rat farm somewhere. Don't ask I have no idea and don't want to know really.

Thanks for your post, and allowing me to share my 2 stories.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Fragrant Grace]

Directing this response to you all @Sue D. @Christ4Ever @Dave M @Bill @Bendito @Ivar in order to share a very personal experience.

Homosexuals are desparately lost.......caught up in the devils alluring candy coated abomination......gross sin in the name of love.
Even the Lord's beautiful rainbow has been stolen as a symbol of gay pride.

I have never shared this before here .......my own mother has been in a same sex relationship for many years. She says she is so happy and settled......a lost soul with a false sense of security "how could this be wrong it is so loving" She is not interested in a God who would see homosexuality as gross sin......so a bigger barrier "in the name of love" has been built against God.

Homosexuality is bondage at its worst.

Fill us with more and more compassion O Lord for these lost decieved souls.

 

[Sue D.]

Thank you for being willing to share with us.

 

[Christ4Ever]

@Fragrant Grace
I've been praying for her salvation for a while now, though not knowing the barriers to it.
Thank-you for sharing and know my heart and prayers continue to go to you and yours, in the knowledge that there are no barriers that Our God cannot overcome!.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Dear Sister.
YBIC
Nick
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[Sue D.]

@Fragrant Grace -- is it possible that she already Is a believer ? maybe she and her partner feel that since they are monogamous and have been for many years -- she feels happy and settled. And there Are those who feel it's just another form of marriage. And there are those who aren't living a homosexual lifestyle out of any kind of rebellion -- they just have found someone who they really 'click' with and they stay together and live quiet lives together and are as 'stable' as any heterosexual couple.

I'm suggesting these things because Years ago I was taking a college course and there was an opportunity to write a research paper that had to be at least 10 pages. The instructor said it had to be on a subject in the text book that we had not studied in class. He had skipped over the section on the Gay Right's Movement. I'd wondered if he was going to approach it in class and he didn't so I went for it. I researched from every angle I could thing of. Learned a Lot. We women tend to be huggers and consolers of each other. And once in a while -- under emotional conditions -- or close friendships -- too much closeness is allowed out of curiosity or simply because it feels good. And, after all, two women can't get pregnant together -- so it's 'safe' compared to being with a man. But there are a multitude of other kinds of problems that can develop.

Since we're talking about your mother -- obviously she was married prior or you wouldn't be here. Do you know what happened with your mother and father's marriage? Did your father pass away? Was there divorce?
Have you been able to talk with her about this relationship?

The original question has been can the person be separated from their actions. As in loving the individual person but not approving of their action in that situation.
I'm one who believes that homosexuality defines the person. The lifestyle defines the person.
Heterosexuality defines the people.

A person Is defined by their actions. Their actions define them as people.

As a married woman -- I'm Mrs. --- / -- I'm a wife -- mother and then maybe a job outside the home. A traditional wedding. Bride/ groom are introduced into the community in a church wedding.

I've seen on TV the first same-sex marriage and , honestly, there was nothing 'natural' about it. Two women in wedding dresses -- you're looking for two grooms. And then there were two men in suits getting married -- and honestly --it was Gross. And, a person is looking for their brides.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

@Fragrant Grace
I've been praying for her salvation for a while now, though not knowing the barriers to it.
Thank-you for sharing and know my heart and prayers continue to go to you and yours, in the knowledge that there are no barriers that Our God cannot overcome!.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Dear Sister.
YBIC
Nick
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Thank you so much dear brother Nick @Christ4Ever that means a lot.

 

[Bill]

What will it be called ? I'd be interested in it.

Im going to title it. "Are Christains killing Christianity" still working on its writing

 

[Bill]

Directing this response to you all @Sue D. @Christ4Ever @Dave M @Bill @Bendito @Ivar in order to share a very personal experience.

Homosexuals are desparately lost.......caught up in the devils alluring candy coated abomination......gross sin in the name of love.
Even the Lord's beautiful rainbow has been stolen as a symbol of gay pride.

I have never shared this before here .......my own mother has been in a same sex relationship for many years. She says she is so happy and settled......a lost soul with a false sense of security "how could this be wrong it is so loving" She is not interested in a God who would see homosexuality as gross sin......so a bigger barrier "in the name of love" has been built against God.

Homosexuality is bondage at its worst.

Fill us with more and more compassion O Lord for these lost decieved souls.

Your love or shall i say. The love you have for God, and His love for you can break that bondage

 

[Bill]

@Fragrant Grace -- is it possible that she already Is a believer ? maybe she and her partner feel that since they are monogamous and have been for many years -- she feels happy and settled. And there Are those who feel it's just another form of marriage. And there are those who aren't living a homosexual lifestyle out of any kind of rebellion -- they just have found someone who they really 'click' with and they stay together and live quiet lives together and are as 'stable' as any heterosexual couple.

I'm suggesting these things because Years ago I was taking a college course and there was an opportunity to write a research paper that had to be at least 10 pages. The instructor said it had to be on a subject in the text book that we had not studied in class. He had skipped over the section on the Gay Right's Movement. I'd wondered if he was going to approach it in class and he didn't so I went for it. I researched from every angle I could thing of. Learned a Lot. We women tend to be huggers and consolers of each other. And once in a while -- under emotional conditions -- or close friendships -- too much closeness is allowed out of curiosity or simply because it feels good. And, after all, two women can't get pregnant together -- so it's 'safe' compared to being with a man. But there are a multitude of other kinds of problems that can develop.

Since we're talking about your mother -- obviously she was married prior or you wouldn't be here. Do you know what happened with your mother and father's marriage? Did your father pass away? Was there divorce?
Have you been able to talk with her about this relationship?

The original question has been can the person be separated from their actions. As in loving the individual person but not approving of their action in that situation.
I'm one who believes that homosexuality defines the person. The lifestyle defines the person.
Heterosexuality defines the people.

A person Is defined by their actions. Their actions define them as people.

As a married woman -- I'm Mrs. --- / -- I'm a wife -- mother and then maybe a job outside the home. A traditional wedding. Bride/ groom are introduced into the community in a church wedding.

I've seen on TV the first same-sex marriage and , honestly, there was nothing 'natural' about it. Two women in wedding dresses -- you're looking for two grooms. And then there were two men in suits getting married -- and honestly --it was Gross. And, a person is looking for their brides.

I cant agree with you as it tries to validate whatPaul was so adiment against.

There is a huge difference between two sisters in faith living together with the love of sisters. And two women living together in a sexual diversive love relationship

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Since we're talking about your mother -- obviously she was married prior or you wouldn't be here. Do you know what happened with your mother and father's marriage? Did your father pass away? Was there divorce?
Have you been able to talk with her about this relationship?

Greetings @Sue D.

Without wishing to spend too much time on my stuff.

My mother is an atheist. She left my father (now deceased) for a new partner.

This unnatural love is a hard candy coating of the devils lair....further hardening the heart to the truth.

Your love or shall i say. The love you have for God, and His love for you can break that bondage

Yes.....I believe that is true...although sometimes doubt slips in.

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time
1 Timothy 2:3-6