Jesus Christ - 'the man"

[Dovegiven]

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,

So then the Holy Spirit missed and fell to the way side.

What you are refusing to see is Jesus did not walk this earth as God. Jesus could not be our example as God.

So you are not representative of God, not a valid ambassador? If you are, then are you greater than Jesus who apparently had less in Him than you?

I also said Jesus on the cross after the Spirit of God was removed then became like any unsaved man meaning a man with only the Spirit of man and a soul in a body.

He had to be emptied of ALL GOD SPIRIT point blank.

Sin can not enter God.
Jesus was made sin or took on Himself All Sin.

Being filled with the Spirit (at least when the dove alighted), He was able to absorb all the sin of the world then die to it all. No mere man could have possibly done that, else a mere man would have sufficed instead of the Son of God Jesus.

This was a brilliant strategic move on God the Father's Part. Only a man can enter hell in our place. That is How Jesus was able to fool all of hell. It was just a sin ridden deformed cast out of God man BUT Then at the Right moment in time, God the Father placed His Spirit back in Jesus and Jesus rose up glorious and full of power and defeated all of hell.

Once Jesus was raised from death He became the First Born again man.

Where does the scripture say that in Jesus' last week?

Its all in His Word!!

By the way I never said Jesus was not the Son of God/ son of man.

This play on words you are trying to make that God died on the cross too is not biblical.

I can't support that with scripture in context. Jesus was identified as the Son of God throughout His ministry. Had He been a mere man He could not have done the works of His Father. He would have been equal to the Pharisees, no better in authority.

The whole idea of being a Christian is to be a "man" with God inside, an ambassador for Christ, with authority to do mighty things no mere man can do.
Christians can love one another because we love what God loves, and hate what God hates. Jesus could not have done that without the Father in Him. I believe having the Father God in me by baptism of the Holy Spirit into Christ enables me to do the things God wants me to do.

You are of course "free" to live like a mere man until death like the way you believe Jesus lived. I hope then you are somehow enabled to be born again! I hope I am misunderstanding you again. If I hated you I would just ignore your sayings, but the Lord keeps me at least reading and praying over your words. I am not being swift to speak, as we are dealing with essentials of the gospel.

Show me a Jesus a mere man in John 6!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Being filled with the Spirit (at least when the dove alighted), He was able to absorb all the sin of the world then die to it all. No mere man could have possibly done that, else a mere man would have sufficed instead of the Son of God Jesus.

The Holy Spirit took the shape of a dove but was not a dove.

Jesus did not take on the sins of the world until He was on the cross and God withdrew His Spirit.

I can't support that with scripture in context. Jesus was identified as the Son of God throughout His ministry. Had He been a mere man He could not have done the works of His Father. He would have been equal to the Pharisees, no better in authority.

Brother in all do respect I think you better back up and regroup here.

It is the Father that works through us.
We as Born Again SPIRIT FILLED Believers are to walk in this life just as Jesus did.
Jesus said I only do what I hear and see The Father say and do.

Now that's how we are to be. Its called being Spirit Lead.

Blessings and Love in Christ

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

@Dovegiven
You keep quoting the following as if I was saying the underlined.

Wired 4 Fishen said:
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,

So then the Holy Spirit missed and fell to the way side.

What you are refusing to see is Jesus did not walk this earth as God. Jesus could not be our example as God.

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See Explanation Below
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The under lined text was as an off the wall comment. This was said TO it being said to me that Jesus was not Spirit filled He was God.

 

[Dovegiven]

The Holy Spirit took the shape of a dove but was not a dove.

Jesus did not take on the sins of the world until He was on the cross and God withdrew His Spirit.



Brother in all do respect I think you better back up and regroup here.

It is the Father that works through us.
We as Born Again SPIRIT FILLED Believers are to walk in this life just as Jesus did.
Jesus said I only do what I hear and see The Father say and do.

Now that's how we are to be. Its called being Spirit Lead.

Blessings and Love in Christ

It doesn't say God took His Spirit away from Jesus. He turned His head away, forsaking the sin on and put in Jesus, refusing to approve sin by continuing to keep His eyes on His Son. Jesus was and is the Godhead bodily. Holy Spirit remains until one denies Him. Taking the sins upon Himself was not a denial of God. God refused to gaze upon the shame.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It doesn't say God took His Spirit away from Jesus. He turned His head away, forsaking the sin on and put in Jesus, refusing to approve sin by continuing to keep His eyes on His Son. Jesus was and is the Godhead bodily. Holy Spirit remains until one denies Him. Taking the sins upon Himself was not a denial of God. God refused to gaze upon the shame.

Matthew 27;50
Young's LITERAL Translation
And Jesus having again cried with a great voice, yielded the spirit;

Yielded the Spirit
Gave up, let go of, taken from or even Removed from.

Jesus in no way could take apon Himself or Become Sin Himself with The Holy Spirit in Him.

Blessings and Love in Christ

 

[Dovegiven]

Matthew 27;50
Young's LITERAL Translation
And Jesus having again cried with a great voice, yielded the spirit;

Yielded the Spirit
Gave up, let go of, taken from or even Removed from.

Jesus in no way could take apon Himself or Become Sin Himself with The Holy Spirit in Him.

Blessings and Love in Christ

He gave up his pheuma, breath, life. He died physically right then. If the scripture meant He gave up the Holy Spirit then the Greek would have it hagios pheuma. The only way Jesus could have taken all the sin on Himself was by power of the Holy Spirit. A mere man devoid of the Holy Spirit would have born it of the flesh. The flesh alone could not save anyone, especially full of sin.

 

[B-A-C]

Somehow this thread got hi-jacked along the way... (what else is new )

But it has recently come up again... about why would Jesus be just a man, if He is God?

Please read the first 3 posts of this thread before replying. It saves me from re-typing everything

 

[B-A-C]

bump

 

[Dave M]

Getting Jesus right and understanding he is God is very important to our salvation. This is not something to take lightly. the anti Christ is the one who tries to get us to deny Christ by any means possible

 

[DieAmartyr]

Let me start off by saying Jesus is God. Part of the trinity. No argument about that here.

But I want to focus on the human part of Jesus for a moment.

Jesus favorite name for Himself was "the Son of Man". This phrase is used over 100 times in the New Testament. Most of those verses are Jesus speaking about Himself in the four Gospels, in fact
the phrase "son of man" is only used 12 times after the Gospels.

Why did Jesus call Himself this so often? It seems like if I was the Son of God, I'd be a lot more
proud of that, than being a son of man. Maybe Jesus knew His destiny. In order to save mankind,
he had to become a part of mankind.

Somehow Jesus was able to keep His "God" nature separate from His "human" nature at times.
For example.. God cannot be tempted. ( James 1:13; ) yet Jesus was tempted... ( Matt 4:1; Mark 1:13;
Luke 4:2; Heb 2:18; ) so if God can't be tempted... it must have been the human side of Jesus
that was tempted. Heb 4:15;

It's interesting.. Roman Catholics call the birth of Mary the "Immaculate Conception" even though
she was born a normal way, by normal human parents. Somehow this is more immaculate than
being the Son of God? Being born of a woman and God (the Holy Spirit) Himself! ??

ooops.. off topic there for a sec.

Back to "da man". Back when I was in the military, and even when I was a fireman, us
"manly men" had a phrase. Whenever someone did something for someone else, or did
something that was fairly difficult.. we would say "You da man!" Somehow I don't think any of
us did any close to what Jesus did.

1 Tim 2:5; says there is only one mediator between God and man.... the "man" Christ Jesus.
This is an interesting verse. Why does it specifically say "the man"... and yet immediately afterward
it says "Christ" Jesus. Messiah means "anointed one" or savior/liberator.

Jesus is also called our "high priest" several places.. mostly in Hebrews. ( Heb 3:1; Heb 4:14-15;
Heb 5:5; Heb 5:10; Heb 6:20; Heb 7:26; Heb 8:1; Heb 9:11; Heb 9:25; etc... )

The main purpose of a priest was to hear confession of sins, and then animal sacrifice for those
sins. In fact they had to know what sin you did in order to do the correct sacrifice. "Smaller" sins
required doves, pigeons, and things like that... "Medium" sins required a goat or a lamb....
"Large" sins required a heifer or bull.

But since sin separates us from God... ( Isa 59:2; ) perhaps it was impossible for Jesus as God
to handle our sins.... Jesus didn't only "handle" our sacrifice.. but became our sacrifice.

1 Pet 2:24; says Jesus Himself "bore" our sins in His body. 2 Cor 5:21; says "He became sin, for our sins"
This doesn't mean Jesus became sinful, it means He carried our sins to His death.
The (perhaps most famous) prophecy of Jesus' death in Isaiah 53; verse 6 says...
"The LORD has caused the iniquities (sins) of us all to fall upon Him.

So perhaps Jesus had to become a man for this.... but also... can a God die? The human
side of Jesus certainly did. Of course He isn't dead anymore, since He himself never committed
any sin ( Heb 4:15; ) death had no power over Him.

The wages of sin is still death... ( Rom 6:23; ) even in the New Testament.
But Jesus paid those wages for us.

Maybe He used it so much because "Son of Man" was used 108 times in the Old Testament, 93 times of which were in the Book of Ezekial. Was this proof that Jesus was with God before His birth? Jesus tells us time and again He did nothing on His own accord, but of the One who sent Him. He tells us His Father gave everything to Him. It is my understanding however that they both existed when God created everything, and that Lucifer was jealous of Jesus from the beginning and bowed once when Jesus was presented to the angels and he swore to never bow again. I read somewhere where someone had invoked satan that he himself had said that he and his angels were ready to attack Jesus and prevent the resurrection but before the resurrection God sent 3 angels to watch over Him. They sang 3 songs, and at the 3rd song, they placed their hands on satans and the demons foreheads and illuminated themselves so brightly that the beings lowered their heads from the brightness and Jesus resurrected thus forcing them to bow as He rose! This angered satan so greatly that he has been thirsty for blood on his mission to destroy mankind. This story is not Biblical but I still like it and it could be true! satan had also mentioned that he is not able to lie when questioned about Jesus because He is truth and this angers him also . He cannot say His name but calls Him " The righteous Man". Food for thought! But regardless, we just need to focus on what pertains to us because whether we understand it or not, the heavenly Father, His Son and The Holy Spirit will exist and we just need to focus on getting where we want to be. If we focus on the wrong things and end up in hell, they will still be who He is so it is irrelevant to our mission in life.

 

[DieAmartyr]

You have Jesus being nothing more than a man with the Spirit of God. Just like a believer today, only without sin. That is not so.

The human Person of Jesus Christ was Deity. He was God the Son. When the Son cried out to the Father, why hast thou forsaken Me?, God the Son remained on the cross.

Jesus was not a Spirit filled man. He was God the Son. He was not a saved man. He was God the Son.

God the Son bore the penalty of sin. God the Son died on the cross.

Quantrill

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[Sue D.]

@DieAmartyr -- since you know that That story is not Biblical then why think that it Might be true.

 

[Sue D.]

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I agree with Quantrills' comment. You quoted it.

 

[DieAmartyr]

@DieAmartyr -- since you know that That story is not Biblical then why think that it Might be true.

Lots of things are true that are not in the Bible, and because of the source which claims the conversation happened more recently. You don't have to believe it and can chalk it up as garbage.

 

[DieAmartyr]

I agree with Quantrills' comment. You quoted it.

His response was not to me so I do not know what you are saying