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KJV questions



The 1611 KJV Holy Bible not translated from the 1872 Tischendorf Greek N.T. , obviously .
Additionally, Tischendorf's Greek Text gives precedence to the reconstructed Codex Vaticanus,
clearly demonstrated in the manuscript critical apprentice .

The 1611 KJV Holy Bible was translated from the majority manuscripts,
Wycliffe Bible, Erasmus N.T., Luther Bible, Colinaeus N.T., Stephanus N.T.,
Tyndale Bible, Coverdale Bible, Great Bible, Geneva Bible, Bishop Bible, Beza N.T.


Please Read Post # 1


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Sorry, my time ran out to correct my post.

The 1611 KJV Holy Bible was not translated from the 1872 Tischendorf Greek N.T. , obviously .

Additionally, Tischendorf's Greek Text gives precedence to the reconstructed Codex Vaticanus,

clearly demonstrated in the manuscript critical apparatus .

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Greetings,

Thank you for taking the time to share your findings and research here.

It is an interesting subject to those who are interested.

One thing must be remembered at all times regarding research and discussion about texts and times and that is that the LORD is author of His own Word and finisher of His Word.
While we can do well in diligent study, such study can be fruitless for without the LORD giving understanding, knowledge, wisdom and instruction the study is in vain.

Seek Him and He will instruct you.

Bless you ....><>
 
KJV 2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.



The Reference to God the Father is changed to Allah.


KJV Matthew 28:19 . . . baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

NWB Matthew 28:19 . . . cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiah and his Holy Spirit.

KJV John 1:29 . . . Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

NWB John 1:29 . . . Look ! The Pig-Son of God, who takes away the sin of the world.


Lucifer is changed to morning star.


KJV Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


KJV Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning !
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

NIV Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations.


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If you want to have some real fun,and really get into a large debate,check out the KJ version here!! psalm 8:5 The correct meaning is not angels but Elohim! or God.( gen 1:1) Have fun with that one!! We had some fun last Sunday, as some of our member believe that only the KJ version is the only version to read from. We kept the peace,but you can see how many cannot here.
 

Here is the issue.


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:


#1. It is ridiculous to state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.

There are no original manuscripts .

#2. It is ridiculous to say " the bible " or " all bibles " are given by inspiration of God.
There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Hebrew, Greek, Syrian, Latin, German, English, etc. bibles
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

#3. It is ridiculous to say " the N.T. Greek Text " or " all N.T. Greek Texts " are given by inspiration of God.
There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek Texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.




 
If you want to have some real fun,and really get into a large debate,check out the KJ version here!! psalm 8:5 The correct meaning is not angels but Elohim! or God.( gen 1:1) Have fun with that one!! We had some fun last Sunday, as some of our member believe that only the KJ version is the only version to read from. We kept the peace,but you can see how many cannot here.


Unfortunately, "KJV-Onlyism" ONLY leads to strife and heated divisions.

And it is unnecessary, for all the sons of God have the perfect word of God engraved upon their hearts and are thus able to discern Godly Truths from error via the protective guidance of the Holy Spirit who indwells them.
 
I am not a KJV-Only or an Original-Manuscript-Only .

I believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God .

The scriptures are the final authority .

1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
according to the scriptures.


 
KJV Matthew 28:19 . . . baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

NWB Matthew 28:19 . . . cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiah and his Holy Spirit.

KJV John 1:29 . . . Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

NWB John 1:29 . . . Look ! The Pig-Son of God, who takes away the sin of the world.
Seriously, do you just make this up as you go along?

Noah Webster Bible: Matt 28: 19 Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Noah Webster Bible John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming to him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world.

NWB Online Bible: Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
NWB Online Bible: John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of
the world

Lucifer
The word "lucifer" is the rendering of the Hebrew Helel at this verse according to the Latin Vulgate. The Barnhart Dictionary of Etymology affirmed that this word was "borrowed from Latin: lucifer the morning star" (p. 613). Gleason Archer noted: "The title Helel, which KJV (following the Latin Vulgate) translates 'Lucifer,' is rendered Hesphoros in the Septuagint (meaning 'Dawn-bringer' and referring to the morning star)" (Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties, p. 268). This LXX rendering was said to be the common Greek name for Venus as the morning star. Henry Thiessen affirmed that "this term [Lucifer] means the morning star, an epithet of the planet Venus" (Lectures in Systematic Theology, p. 202). At Isaiah 14:12, John Wesley gave this note: "Lucifer--which properly is a bright star that ushers in the morning" (Explanatory Notes upon the O. T., III, p. 1985). William Wilson pointed out that the meaning of the Hebrew word according to the Septuagint and Vulgate was "brilliant star, i.e. Lucifer, the morning star" (O. T. Word Studies, p. 261). The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia has at its entry for Lucifer the following: “the morning star, an epithet of the planet Venus” (p. 1934). David Daiches maintained that Lucifer “is the name of the morning star” (KJV, p. 204). John Brown wrote that “the king of Babylon is called Lucifer, or the morning-star, because his glory and power far surpassed those of his fellow-sovereigns (Dictionary of the Bible, p. 483).
 

The NWB is (NOT) the New Webster Bible 2015 .

Edit : it is the
New Wycliffe Bible .
 
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I'm trying to help you understand the Purified Text Theory (bible canonization)

and the Record Theory (final canonization) .

Please don't post what someone else wrote.

I already know.

This is my postdoctoral research PDF Library .

O.T. Masoretic
N.T. Manuscripts

Origenis Hexaplorum
Codex Vaticanus
Codex Sinaiticus
Codex Ambrosiano
Codex Alexandrianus
Codex Boernerianus
Codex Washingtonianus

1522 Erasmus Greek New Testament
1524 Hebrew Old Testament
1534 Tyndale Holy Bible
1537 Matthew Holy Bible
1540 Coverdale Great Holy Bible
1546 Stephanus Greek New Testament
1549 The Byble Cranmer’s Prologue
1560 Geneva Holy Bible
1595 Bishop Holy Bible
1598 Beza Greek New Testament

1599 Nuremberg Polyglot Bible
Greek, Hebrew, Syriac, Latin, French, Italian, Spanish,
English, German, Danish, Bohemian, Polish


1611 KJV Holy Bible
1613 KJV Holy Bible
1728 KJV Holy Bible
1764 KJV Holy Bible
1769 KJV Holy Bible
1773 KJV Holy Bible
1842 KJV Holy Bible

10 Greek N.T. Texts
90 English Translations
16 Dictionaries
14 Commentaries

80 Historical Authors
40 Research Authors
60 World Religions

350 Liberal Arts Colleges and Universities
90 Bible Colleges
70 Theological Seminaries
35 Technical Institutes
27 Business and Fine Arts Colleges

90 Educational Consultants
16 Licensing and Accreditation Associations
180 Educational Publishers


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I'm sorry, I've got Webster on my mind.
The NWB is the New Wycliffe Bible .
Google the Wycliffe Official Site or Google: New Wycliffe Bible controversy .

Be sincere, define the Purified Text Theory and the Record Theory in two paragraphs .


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Greetings,

90 English Translations

That's a fair few!
But what do they say and can we hear?

Thank you for pointing out the NWB Version.
It may sometimes be better to explain these things to others as not everyone has such a huge library as you and being a 2015 version, not many would even know of its existence.

Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings all,

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It is also acceptable for TalkJesus staff to ban members who insist on being demanding or rude.

Sometimes the content posted at TalkJesus is very challenging and different from and to what others understand or don't and it bears good fruit to consider how we word our posts and to take time to gently explain the points we are trying to make.

If you want to get snappy with others then you do yourself and Christ a disservice and such behavior is not tolerated here.
If that is your style it may be best to find a site that accommodates people and attitudes such as you.

If not, proceed and post in peace.

Bless you ....><>
 
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