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Homosexual marriage is lawful but I dont consider that. That is a state law. Therefore I reject the state.
Married spiritually but not legally
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Homosexual marriage is lawful but I dont consider that. That is a state law. Therefore I re
What is wrong with what I said? The state allows homosexual marriage. I do not agree with state law. It is not of God, therefore I chose a church. I was answering her question. Judging my answer is uncalled for.women amaze me, and they way a lot of them think. I do believe they not only took a bite of that fruit on that tree in the garden, they eat the whole piece after giving adam a bite, and they swallowed the seeds too.Then they understood, you are suposed to spit the seeds out.
I'd assumed that "LovingAvalache" was talking about a heterosexual couple -- not homosexual. Just because it's legal in lots of states for same-sex couples to enter into a civil union , doesn't make it right.
The "my husband and I" sounded like a man/ woman combination. That is a Biblical combination for marriage. And a marriage certificate is needed legally for many reasons. And, yes, we Do need to go things legally.
Since when are wedding rings pagan. Rings are exchanged to show others that marriage has taken place and the ring is showing that the marriage is to be never ending in God's eyes. There Are men who don't wear one because of the kind of job they do. My husband wore his until it got caught in a machine that he was using. It caught the ring, broke it, but saved his finger. He didn't wear one after that.
There might have been some pagan ritual -way back 'when'. I'll Google it to find out. But what ever it Was -- it's Now that we are living in.
Actually wedding rings go back in history to the Egyptians who were captured by Alexander the Great. The Greeks adopted the practice of giving a ring to their lover to represent their devotion to each other.
Many of the rings had a picture of Eros or Cupid as the god of love. And then started using iron or copper in marriage ceremonies. Personally I don't see anything wrong with that. The God of the Bible is known for His love for us.
The "my husband and I" sounded like a man/ woman combination. That is a Biblical combination for marriage. And a marriage certificate is needed legally for many reasons. And, yes, we Do need to go things legally.
Since when are wedding rings pagan. Rings are exchanged to show others that marriage has taken place and the ring is showing that the marriage is to be never ending in God's eyes. There Are men who don't wear one because of the kind of job they do. My husband wore his until it got caught in a machine that he was using. It caught the ring, broke it, but saved his finger. He didn't wear one after that.
There might have been some pagan ritual -way back 'when'. I'll Google it to find out. But what ever it Was -- it's Now that we are living in.
Actually wedding rings go back in history to the Egyptians who were captured by Alexander the Great. The Greeks adopted the practice of giving a ring to their lover to represent their devotion to each other.
Many of the rings had a picture of Eros or Cupid as the god of love. And then started using iron or copper in marriage ceremonies. Personally I don't see anything wrong with that. The God of the Bible is known for His love for us.
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Well if you think i am evil, an a insult to " God Almighty", and a living shame to be His called his"Son" fine too. I do understand and fell no angry, And since you have power to know my thoughts and condemn me in such a way. Fine too. for your very words you have spoken concerning me. Will come up against me at "the Bema Seat"! And we all shall receive our just reward. Yours have been documented in the recorded books of judgment in eternity. And we will also be judge whether that i thought such people are stupid. Or whether I have been slander
God will not let your words go un answered.
36But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
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Dear Brother,women amaze me, and they way a lot of them think. I do believe they not only took a bite of that fruit on that tree in the garden, they eat the whole piece after giving adam a bite, and they swallowed the seeds too.
As humorous as I found this post to be personally, as a Moderator I must say that it was totally unnecessary one to make.
If tempted to do so in the future, please resist this urge. It breeds unnecessary arguments, and takes away from the topic of the thread.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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I know you are right. Because i could see the 2 paths it could take and by seeing it before printing it i should have refrain.
And for those ,of age. The "Seed" was referring to "Jesus". Mary in the Garden. And "in Issac" shall thy "Seed" be esrablish. And not "Seeds" of Abraham but "seed". And i know many thinK it is the seeds of Abraham. But it is only one body of Christ. In which i could go on and on. But I was wrong since I did see, the bad avenue it could take. And I know satan, was lcking his lips, to discredit my intend and ride out my error, with glee. And smile at the Tree of knownledge and evil and how much fruit it could bear.
My bad and asking for forgiveness of my lack of folly.
I was wrong.
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Dear Brother,
Asked for and given.
I can do no less my brother.
Praying my Sisters in Christ Jesus will do the same. @Sue D. @DieAmartyr
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I apologize . I have more class than that and though you back pedal well, I think you do too. I do not need a dictionary or a thesaurus, or an encyclopedia, but do you have any Cliff notes? LolGift for Exploring for all.
I seriously do apologize. I am not trying to antagonize you in any way. I have had a rough day. Better tomorrow. God bless you.
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Marriage was ordained by God (Genesis 2:23-24, Mark 10:6-9, 1 Corinthians 7, 1 Timothy 5:14, Hebrews 13:4). Speaking of marriage, Jesus himself said, "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Mark 10:9). Yet, this is exactly what the men of government do today by saying marriage is illegal; they put asunder the institution of marriage! Remember, if anyone does anything today without a license from the government, it is an illegal act; and there's a strong possibility of getting penalized, fined and imprisoned. Marriage is no exception. Marriage is illegal!
If it is God’s Will to bring two souls together in Holy Matrimony, what right does mere man have to say two souls cannot get married, until they ask the government for permission?! Until they pay the government their hard earned money to get a license to exercise God’s Will? Does mere man have authority, at law, to interpose himself, or his purported law, between God’s Will, and to bring punishment on a servant of Christ for exercising God’s Law? Could it be evil to execute the Law of God? Could it?
“The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church." – from “An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine” by Catholic cardinal John Henry Newman, pg. 374
If so, then it should be easy for you to provide relevant scriptural support.
For I am the LORD, I change not... (Mal. 3:6)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. (Heb. 13:8)
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. (Job 14:4)
We are to put a difference between the unclean and the clean.
Do we follow the Greeks who "spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing" (Acts 17:21), or do we "Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and [he will] receive [us]" (2 Cor. 6:17)?
No man can serve two masters.
Eros and cupid are demons, dressed up all cutesy to appeal to your flesh so you won't make the connection -- as are all the gods and goddesses; any encyclopedia will confirm that.
Rather, we've been shown the truth of the matter, and we are now accountable.
@backNforth -- to respond to your comments. Yes, marriage is ordained by God -- He performed the 1st marriage -- Adam and Eve and then turned the water into wine at a wedding as His first miracle in the New Testament. And , yes, a marriage certificate Is needed to make a marriage legal. Part of that is to make sure that neither of the people are already married. Because That would be bigamy which is not legal. And we Are to obey the laws of the land -- unless they go against God's Word. God's Word says that only death nullifies a marriage. Legally -- if a spouse deserts the other one -- just leaves the marriage -- then there can be a divorce and the spouse Can remarry. And if a spouce commits adultery -- that is Also grounds for a divorce. That doesn't mean they Have to divorce , but they Can. It's a Remarriage that's questioned.
In This country -- when two people want to get married -- they aren't getting permission from the government To get married. But they are to get a marriage license -- how much it costs I've no clue. But it's not much. Just looked it up -- depending on what state the people live in it varies from $40 - 65. or so. And that's besides where the couple will live after they get married. It's assuming they are employed -- so, yes, there Are expenses involved in Living Period. Whether single or married. And it Used to be that a blood test was required -- to make sure they are both Able to get married. 1st cousins aren't allow to marry. To close of a relative. If babies have been separated at or shortly after birth -- they grow up and end up getting to know each other without realizing they are related -- it Has happened -- they discover that they Are biological brothers and sisters.
Marriage is Meant to be a serious relationship. Just because two adults want to get married -- by a pastor -- in a church -- doesn't mean it's in their best interest to do so. And - now days -- same-sex people Can get married legally. That doesn't mean someone is obligated To marry them.
And what the RCC church teaches doesn't matter. It matters to RCC people -- but they don't mandate what anyone else wants to do. Nothing wrong with wedding rings. My Bible doctrine comes from the Bible -- not an essay written by anyone.
A wedding ring -- being circular -- never ending. Marriage is to be a never-ending commitment to another person in your life and giving each other a ring to symbolize that -- Why Not? The concept is Biblical. And when a person gets married -- they Should be happy to let others show by that ring that they are Taken -- no longer available to another person for a romantic interest. They got married because they Want to be with that other person Forever.
Actually -- some of your comments sound a bit silly. Don't really apply to this conversation.
And you're accountable for whatever you choose to believe, also. You're free to include Scripture in any conversation you choose to -- just make sure it really applies to what you're talking about.
In This country -- when two people want to get married -- they aren't getting permission from the government To get married. But they are to get a marriage license -- how much it costs I've no clue. But it's not much. Just looked it up -- depending on what state the people live in it varies from $40 - 65. or so. And that's besides where the couple will live after they get married. It's assuming they are employed -- so, yes, there Are expenses involved in Living Period. Whether single or married. And it Used to be that a blood test was required -- to make sure they are both Able to get married. 1st cousins aren't allow to marry. To close of a relative. If babies have been separated at or shortly after birth -- they grow up and end up getting to know each other without realizing they are related -- it Has happened -- they discover that they Are biological brothers and sisters.
Marriage is Meant to be a serious relationship. Just because two adults want to get married -- by a pastor -- in a church -- doesn't mean it's in their best interest to do so. And - now days -- same-sex people Can get married legally. That doesn't mean someone is obligated To marry them.
And what the RCC church teaches doesn't matter. It matters to RCC people -- but they don't mandate what anyone else wants to do. Nothing wrong with wedding rings. My Bible doctrine comes from the Bible -- not an essay written by anyone.
A wedding ring -- being circular -- never ending. Marriage is to be a never-ending commitment to another person in your life and giving each other a ring to symbolize that -- Why Not? The concept is Biblical. And when a person gets married -- they Should be happy to let others show by that ring that they are Taken -- no longer available to another person for a romantic interest. They got married because they Want to be with that other person Forever.
Actually -- some of your comments sound a bit silly. Don't really apply to this conversation.
And you're accountable for whatever you choose to believe, also. You're free to include Scripture in any conversation you choose to -- just make sure it really applies to what you're talking about.
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Of course it would sound silly to you. People react violently when their traditions are exposed or ignored.
To be crystal, "you're accountable" to God.
I posted a dozen scriptures, and none have rebutted.
But for the sake of the OP (LovingAvalanche) and the casual reader, I'll post the following: Marriage - Pagan vs. Godly. Those who want further documentation, can ask.
Pagan marriage:
Wedding ring represents sun worship (Apollo); the ring finger is closest to the heart shakra; like a dream catcher, the ring is a way of capturing evil spirits in an eternal never-ending circle i.e. a talisman
Engagement diamond is a stone of palmistry; adapted by the pope and brought into the RCC
Bridal veil worn because seeing the bride before the ceremony brings bad luck
White-colored (most expensive) bridal dress was introduced by 'royalty' (Queen Victoria) in 1840
'Tie the knot' phrase originated from Scottish practice of literal 'hand fastening' for those whose marriage was to be of 'short term' i.e. divorce was allowed
Bridesmaids dress colors are coordinated to ward off evil spirits
Flowers are tossed about by the flower girl as scents and herbs (kitchen witches) to ward off evil spirits; it is spell casting to suppress attendees from speaking ill
Flower bouquet is a scent to ward off evil spirits and is held up for fertility and good luck
Garter brings good luck
When the demons have been 'captured'/collected by the bouquet, it is then 'tossed away' (to the attendees)
Bride wears long trailing clothing to allow for the attendees who will take (rip and tear off) pieces for good luck; not unusual for such extra clothing to be thrown to the attendees
Must have pastor/clergy in attendance; BTW, what does your JP (Justice of the Peace) do after hours?
The Marriage Act of 1753: “All marriages solemnized in any other places than a Church or publick Chapel, or that shall be solemnized without Publication of Banns*, or License of Marriage from a Person, having Authority to grant the same, first had and obtained, shall be null and void to all intents and purposes whatsoever.”
*Banns = a notice read out on three successive Sundays in a parish church, announcing an intended marriage and giving the opportunity for objections.
The RCC, with its "Book of Common Prayer" (1549), established the ceremony traditions
Godly marriage:
Ceremonies were never performed
Licenses were never taken (as God is the Head)
Objections (ala 'speak now or forever hold your peace') were never solicited
No oaths, no vows
No pastor/clergy, as we are already in Christ, already saints and of the power and authority; we look to
no man
Marriage via scripture --> e.g. Rebekah and Isaac (Gen 24:67) & women who were "taken" (Gen 6:2)
The three "C's": Contract, Consummation, Celebration
Two becoming one flesh in God
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Wonder what continent, country, providence, culture, jungle or barren Lands" are they referring to? And who is the Executor of Marital Covenanal decree and processes, to determine "Holy Matrimony" thoughout the world. and responsiable for the register of deeds? ? thoughout the centuires, for references. Or do one just "Speculate" such matters? The arguments i see here are so bias, and claims to be biblical truths, but only forms of "biblial eisgesis" engrave in stone.
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It's amazing to see you all go on the attack as it pertains to marriage, which we can all agree is something that God approves of, and so much so that he hates divorce.
"For the LORD God of Israel says That He hates divorce, For it covers one's garment with violence," Says the LORD of hosts. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, That you do not deal treacherously." Mal 2:16 NKJV
He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8 NKJV
That's enough for me.
How you want to enact it culturally, is up to the culture you live in.
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"For the LORD God of Israel says That He hates divorce, For it covers one's garment with violence," Says the LORD of hosts. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, That you do not deal treacherously." Mal 2:16 NKJV
He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8 NKJV
That's enough for me.
How you want to enact it culturally, is up to the culture you live in.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Well put.
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This is also a misunderstanding, another "tradition of men."
Yes, Moses did allow for divorce because of the hardness of hearts (and such was never recalled by Jesus). But Jesus never said that he hates divorce.
Once again, the modern per-"versions" of the Holy Bible have mislead the majority. Rather, Malachi 2:16 says:
For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
putting away is NOT equivalent to divorce
Husbands-to-be were ripping off the money and goods at the bride's end and then dumping the bride. Such was the cause of the violence and treachery the Lord speaks of in that verse.
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Dear Brother,
If hate is too strong a word to use, is God's "disapproval" sufficient to say in the instance cited below? You may say that putting away is not "equivalent" to divorce, I say that the following verses show that "put away his wife" is something that should be considered equivalent to divorce, because it should only be done for "whoredom".
Mat 5:31 YLT - 'And it was said, That whoever may put away his wife, let him give to her a writing of divorce;
Mat 5:32 YLT - but I -- I say to you, that whoever may put away his wife, save for the matter of whoredom, doth make her to commit adultery; and whoever may marry her who hath been put away doth commit adultery.
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It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication ^1, causeth her to commit adultery ^2: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matthew 5:31-32 KJV
Matthew 5:31-32 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causet | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causet
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^1 : Strong's g4202
- Lexical: πορνεία
- Transliteration: porneia
- Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
- Phonetic Spelling: por-ni'-ah
- Definition: fornication, whoredom; met: idolatry.
- Origin: From porneuo; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry.
- Usage: fornication.
- Translated as (count): sexual immorality (21), for sexual immorality (1), from sexual immorality (1), immorality (1), of sexual immorality (1).
^2 :
Strong's g3431
- Lexical: μοιχεύω
- Transliteration: moicheuó
- Part of Speech: Verb
- Phonetic Spelling: moy-khyoo'-o
- Definition: to commit adultery (of a man with a married woman, but also of a married man).
- Origin: From moichos; to commit adultery.
- Usage: commit adultery.
- Translated as (count): shall you commit adultery (4), commits adultery (2), committing adultery (2), to commit adultery (2), you shall commit adultery (2), do you commit adultery (1), has committed adultery with (1), you do commit adultery (1).
@Shaine -- you're in a confusing situation. I'd not be concerned as to what that pastor says. If you don't feel a need To 'fix' anything then Don't. A child in the picture Does complicate your situation. I was just re-reading your information -- that was happening a while back. You're in a different country and have a well-meaning pastor. Sounds like the guy you separated from might want to resume your relationship, but , myself, I'd stay single for a while. Enjoy a good relationship with your daughter -- and have good relationships with those around you.
