Married spiritually but not legally

[PloughBoy]

This generation puts to much emphasis on the church, like the church is GOD! or a divine deity! or has the power to save a person from damnation. A marriage between a man and woman is a Covenant relationship enter in by two people with "witnesses". That a covenant was made. God has establish the "Covenant" relationship throughout the Bible beginning with HIM as a Perfect Example. A Unadulterated marital relationship according to the commandment of GOD and not mankind, Is a Covenant into Life. Outside of the Perimeters of The Almighty GOD a Marriage covenant is a covenant of death. For the wages of sin is death. What is The meaning of the word sin: "Miss the mark"! So if you make up your own rules and have ignored the commandments of GOD. You have "miss the Mark". And as you grow in Christ Jesus and mature, God will reveal unto the meaning of "Missing the Mark"! If anyone thinks they grow in Christ and refuse to keep His unadulterated Word and have not deny themselves the pleasures of this world they are greatly deceived, and will continue being deceived as they go. Deception upon deception and all the time they think they are growing in Christ, For God has sent them strong delusion that they may believe the lies. [not condemnation but deceived]. Because they refuse to except the truth. And will not retain GOD in their knowledge after knowing the truth. [and they will suffer the consequences.}.

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- the 'Church" was established in the New Testament. Other that That, I've no clue as to how respond to the rest of your comments.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy -- the 'Church" was established in the New Testament. Other that That, I've no clue as to how respond to the rest of your comments.

Just look at the Bible as a whole and not as halves. Old Covenant New Covenant = The Compete Covenant. It is all about The Covenant Relationship between GOD and Mankind.
And the word church was never mention in the New Testament. or the Old Testament. And the word church, is never referred to as a body of believers in the Original Language of the Bible in either the Old or The New Testament. The actually Word is "Congregation" in the Hebrew and The Greek Language. And the old word that meant Church in the new testament is "circe" that meant a pagan building of worship. No matter how the RCC change the definition of the greek word "ecclesia' and added the word church within the Lexicon to mean a christian church. Words and definitions, of words are created and define by men. And for Sure "William Tyndale" did not have the definition for the word church a body of christian believers in christ, but always used the word Congregation for the body of Christ. For this has been the word God had use in the Old testament and the New testament. but "men love darkness more light" because there deeds are evil". [And many prefer the wide path, but narrow is the true road and there be few on it.]

Jesus will never fail you, the church will. and Millions will testify to this truth throughout the centuries. ASK Apostle Paul , Andrew, Stephen, and many more.

The meaning is God never fails, The church is not GOD. we His people are the "Body of Christ" we sometimes fail ,but He is always there ,with us, in our failures. He promise He would never leave us alone.

John 16:32
"Look, an hour is coming and has already come when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and you will leave Me all alone. Yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.

I got experience, personal and testimonies of others, Jesus will never fail you, the church will. in your darkness hours. but they will not fail the poeple of the world!

God will not break His Covenant with you. no matter what.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy -- the 'Church" was established in the New Testament. Other that That, I've no clue as to how respond to the rest of your comments.

Just look at the Bible as a whole and not as halves. Old Covenant New Covenant = The Compete Covenant. It is all about The Covenant Relationship between GOD and Mankind.
And the word church was never mention in the New Testament. or the Old Testament. And the word church, is never referred to as a body of believers in the Original Language of the Bible in either the Old or The New Testament. The actually Word is "Congregation" in the Hebrew and The Greek Language. And the old word that meant Church in the new testament is "circe" that meant a pagan building of worship. No matter how the RCC change the definition of the greek word "ecclesia' and added the word church within the Lexicon to mean a christian church. Words and definitions, of words are created and define by men. And for Sure "William Tyndale" did not have the definition for the word church a body of christian believers in christ, but always used the word Congregation for the body of Christ. For this has been the word God had use in the Old testament and the New testament. but "men love darkness more light" because there deeds are evil". [And many prefer the wide path, but narrow is the true road and there be few on it.]

Jesus will never fail you, the church will. and Millions will testify to this truth throughout the centuries. ASK Apostle Paul , Andrew, Stephen, and many more.

The meaning is God never fails, The church is not GOD. we His people are the "Body of Christ" we sometimes fail ,but He is always there ,with us, in our failures. He promise He would never leave us alone.

 

[PearlB]

I am married, but not legally. My husband and I can't afford to have a wedding or get rings right now, but we have prayed to god to accept our marriage and have told him that we are married. Do you have to get married by a priest to actually be married in god's eyes?

God accepts your commitment to each other without rings or a preacher. The Catholic church ordained the modern way of marriage not God, and standing up in front of a preacher is more a legality than anything so that you have a piece of paper to say you are joined together. Stand your ground and don't be pressured. God loves you and sees your hearts.

As the Roman Catholic Church became a powerful institution in Europe, the blessings of a priest became a necessary step for a marriage to be legally recognized. By the eighth century, marriage was widely accepted in the Catholic church as a sacrament, or a ceremony to bestow Gods grace. At the Council of Trent in 1563, the sacramental nature of marriage was written into canon law.

 

[PloughBoy]

God accepts your commitment to each other without rings or a preacher. The Catholic church ordained the modern way of marriage not God, and standing up in front of a preacher is more a legality than anything so that you have a piece of paper to say you are joined together. Stand your ground and don't be pressured. God loves you and sees your hearts.

As the Roman Catholic Church became a powerful institution in Europe, the blessings of a priest became a necessary step for a marriage to be legally recognized. By the eighth century, marriage was widely accepted in the Catholic church as a sacrament, or a ceremony to bestow Gods grace. At the Council of Trent in 1563, the sacramental nature of marriage was written into canon law.

Marriage Covenants has been establish way beyond 1400 BC and recorded in stone. And The rocks do cry out. For they have been perform by "Elders', Tribal Leaders, Pagan Priest & Priestess, Witch doctors, and the Cultures of Broom Jumpers and verified by a host of witnesses, that they had "Jump the Broom"! or He bought the Woman from her daddy, with two cows and a Bear trap,, that will hunt. The Proclamation concerning that the RCC determine that Marriage is a sacrament, Do not mean nothing to a lot of us, who are the"True Child of the Living GOD! For most of us consider That The RCC is the:

The Woman on the Beast
…"The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls. She held in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. And on her forehead a mysterious name was written: BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses for Jesus. And I was utterly amazed at the sight of her.…
“Why are you so amazed?” said the angel. “I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and ten horns.

The beast that you saw—it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be."

[So I am here, to be a witness against, those who are trying to make an excuse, for their wayward ways, by trying to "Justify" their sins! For I am , in a "agreement " with the Conscious" That The LORD, The Almighty GOD has place in your soul. Infecting you constantly day and night, letting you know you have
"Miss the Mark". For He has revealed to you, what is right and what is wrong. "Choose you this day the GOD you will serve" The True GOD or the god of self.
Will you enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season.] Sin pertaining to GOD is "Missing the Mark". The arrow is beyond you.
(Hebrews 11)ESV.
" By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25choosing rather to be mistreated with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. He considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for he was looking to the reward. 27By faith he left Egypt, not being afraid of the anger of the king, for he endured as seeing him who is invisible. 28By faith he kept the Passover and sprinkled the blood, so that the Destroyer of the firstborn might not touch them."

PS. "Married spiritually but not legally" is a "Covenant of Death". For "That dog, will not hunt"!

 

[Bill]

In the eyes of God , the union between husband, wife and God takes place when the hearts become one and your love is confessed for all to see and hear. This union will be praised by God but may not be accepted by people.

This union in God is no different than those who want the big wedding.

One thing i would recommend is the wedding rings , there is something special in the rings. Just as Jesus was both physical and spiritual at the same time , the rings have a physical / spiritual quality.

 

[JerryfromMass]

I am married, but not legally. My husband and I can't afford to have a wedding or get rings right now, but we have prayed to god to accept our marriage and have told him that we are married. Do you have to get married by a priest to actually be married in god's eyes?

I believe, Yes.

Marriage is not a man-made social construct. It is ordained by God and God has anointed/appointed overseers to officiate the wedding ceremony. Even Jesus acknowledged the ceremonial requisite for marriage when HE spoke of divorce. How can a divorce take place when there is no public ceremonial marriage that announces to God and the world the union of a couple? Rings aside (they are not required) and weddings aside (a few close to you with one anointed/appointed to officiate) is all you need, along with the small fee to the town, city, or county registry. Otherwise, you are simply two cohabitators engaging in fornication, with nothing preventing one or the other from leaving and never coming back or having to acknowledge he or she was ever married.

Blessings

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I am married, but not legally. My husband and I can't afford to have a wedding or get rings right now, but we have prayed to god to accept our marriage and have told him that we are married. Do you have to get married by a priest to actually be married in god's eyes?

If you have "Joined flesh", then Biblically you're MARRIED. Priests, churches, weddings, and all the associated hoopla are nothing more than a legal contract signing. Not having that contract creates legal issues - property rights, access rights, Tax issues, etc.

 

[PearlB]

If you have "Joined flesh", then Biblically you're MARRIED. Priests, churches, weddings, and all the associated hoopla are nothing more than a legal contract signing. Not having that contract creates legal issues - property rights, access rights, Tax issues, etc.

My view exactly. And I read that it was actually the Catholic church that ordained that a wedding ceremony should be performed by a priest in a 'church' thus keeping tabs on people and making money in the process.

 

[Sue D.]

How about the Fact that Marriage was ordained by God. A ceremony 1st and then the sex. Otherwise -- we are to flee fornication. God joined Adam and Eve and Then they had children.

Don't give the RCC credit for weddings.

How about the wedding in the New Testament -- Jesus 1st miracle -- turning the water into wine.

 

[PearlB]

Dear Sue D, Where in the bible does it say that a couple have to be married by making vows in front of a priest? Of course there were weddings but not as we know them today. They were a public celebration of two people agreeing together to be man and wife. The Church didn't come into it until much later. Do some research and find out for yourself. The Wedding ceremony seems to have been born out of paganism a few years after the resurrection of Jesus, as did the Catholic church.

 

[PearlB]

How about the Fact that Marriage was ordained by God. A ceremony 1st and then the sex. Otherwise -- we are to flee fornication. God joined Adam and Eve and Then they had children.

Don't give the RCC credit for weddings.

How about the wedding in the New Testament -- Jesus 1st miracle -- turning the water into wine.

Until the Middle Ages, a Jewish marriage consisted of two ceremonies that were marked by two separate celebrations, with an interval between. First, the betrothal and later, the wedding. At the betrothal the couple was legally married, although the bride still remained in her father’s house. She could not belong to another man unless she was divorced from her betrothed. The wedding meant only that the betrothed woman, accompanied by a festive procession, was escorted from her parent’s house to the house of her groom, and the relationship was consummated.

Marriages we held at the groom’s home or the bride’s home, depending on who could host the celebration. The chuppah that we see at modern Jewish ceremonies is symbolic of the bride’s home or quarters. It would still be many centuries before we begin seeing ceremonies in synagogues. The eventual move towards having the ceremony in the synagogue was to avoid the potential awkwardness of a home not being able to host a ceremony.

Christian church involvement in marriage also developed over time. Christianity was birthed and formed (30 AD-200 AD) in the context of the Roman empire and with Judaism in its roots. Marriage continued to have little to do with religion. While Jesus, Paul and other New Testament writes speak about marriage and instruct husbands and wives on how to conduct themselves in marriage, there is no biblical tradition that ties weddings to a church ceremony. Marriage was still a family issue, not an institution. It was private and communal.

At the Council of Carthage in 398 A.D., there was an assumption of a priestly prayer or benediction of the wedding ceremony. Early Church Fathers Ignatius and Polycarp both urged a blessing from both parents and clergy over a pending marriage. This is the first sign of any church ceremonial influence. But there is little else for many centuries. In fact, the early church was mostly negative on marriage—celibacy was preferred, even praised. Marriage was seen as something outside of the church for the first millennium.

History of Church Weddings | the Wedding Chaplain

A brief history of church and synagogue weddings.

www.weddingchaplain.com

 

[Sue D.]

@PearlB -- I'm not RCC. People get married by someone to make it legally binding. However -- look at Matthew 19: 1 - 10 or so for context. vs 5 "and said, 'For this reason a man shall leve his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. vs 6 So, then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let not man separate."

The marriage ceremony is Assumed otherwise why the question Of divorce.

Every society has some kind of ceremony joining a man and woman together.

Living together instead of being married used to be called 'shacking up' and was frowned on.

 

[Sue D.]

@ PearlB -- weren't you agreeing that being joined by flesh is considered being married? In otherwords having sex being considered as marriage.

So -- now you're defending the ceremony- based marriage and then sex.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

How about the Fact that Marriage was ordained by God. A ceremony 1st and then the sex. Otherwise -- we are to flee fornication. God joined Adam and Eve and Then they had children.

Don't give the RCC credit for weddings.

How about the wedding in the New Testament -- Jesus 1st miracle -- turning the water into wine.

How about Jacob - He had SEX with the WRONG WOMAN (he got snookered by his father in law) - and was married to her nonetheless. no ceremony, no "Religious hoopla" - just a night in the tent together in the dark.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Dear Sue D, Where in the bible does it say that a couple have to be married by making vows in front of a priest? Of course there were weddings but not as we know them today. They were a public celebration of two people agreeing together to be man and wife. The Church didn't come into it until much later. Do some research and find out for yourself. The Wedding ceremony seems to have been born out of paganism a few years after the resurrection of Jesus, as did the Catholic church.

Until the Middle Ages, a Jewish marriage consisted of two ceremonies that were marked by two separate celebrations, with an interval between. First, the betrothal and later, the wedding. At the betrothal the couple was legally married, although the bride still remained in her father’s house. She could not belong to another man unless she was divorced from her betrothed. The wedding meant only that the betrothed woman, accompanied by a festive procession, was escorted from her parent’s house to the house of her groom, and the relationship was consummated.

Marriages we held at the groom’s home or the bride’s home, depending on who could host the celebration. The chuppah that we see at modern Jewish ceremonies is symbolic of the bride’s home or quarters. It would still be many centuries before we begin seeing ceremonies in synagogues. The eventual move towards having the ceremony in the synagogue was to avoid the potential awkwardness of a home not being able to host a ceremony.

Christian church involvement in marriage also developed over time. Christianity was birthed and formed (30 AD-200 AD) in the context of the Roman empire and with Judaism in its roots. Marriage continued to have little to do with religion. While Jesus, Paul and other New Testament writes speak about marriage and instruct husbands and wives on how to conduct themselves in marriage, there is no biblical tradition that ties weddings to a church ceremony. Marriage was still a family issue, not an institution. It was private and communal.

At the Council of Carthage in 398 A.D., there was an assumption of a priestly prayer or benediction of the wedding ceremony. Early Church Fathers Ignatius and Polycarp both urged a blessing from both parents and clergy over a pending marriage. This is the first sign of any church ceremonial influence. But there is little else for many centuries. In fact, the early church was mostly negative on marriage—celibacy was preferred, even praised. Marriage was seen as something outside of the church for the first millennium.

History of Church Weddings | the Wedding Chaplain

A brief history of church and synagogue weddings.

www.weddingchaplain.com

What you say is all true, but, in ancient Jewish weddings, there existed a written contract that was kept as a matter of record. That contract was necessary in the event of divorce. Meaning: there needed to be a record of marriage in order for there to be a recognized divorce. Otherwise, all that exists is what you get with two people cohibating: if one decides to leave and cohabitate with another, without a written record of marriage, there is nothing to recognize the rights of the one abondoned.

 

[Sue D.]

@Bob Carabbio -- look at Genesis 29 :18 -24 or so -- Jacob worked 7 yrs in order to take 1st Leah and then 7 more years for Rachel. But at the end of the 1st seven years there was a 'get to gether' with the men of the place and made a feast.

And Then they were considered married and he could go and consumate their marriage.

 

[PearlB]

Though there seems to be little debate among churchgoers concerning marriage, that is because they are so vested in religious traditions, they have lost sight of the basic understanding of God's Word. As we can see from countless examples in Scripture, people tend to have a hard time letting go of religious traditions, no matter how corrupt they are, and as we will soon learn, despite the fact that most churchgoers think marriage traditions come from Scripture, the reality is that many of the religious traditions surrounding marriage have come from paganism and witchcraft, which have been repackaged into a fluffier version by the Catholic Church, a corruption of Christian doctrine transformed into works-based heresy, by which no man can be saved.

 

[Gregoryp]

I stand by what I posted previously, if you have "laid" together, then your now married. Nothing stopping you two from doing that, then announcing to all and sundry what you have done. Then we can have a huge celebration. The catholics and the wedding industry have a lot to answer for. Follow the money and the authority.