Married spiritually but not legally

[brighthouse98]

That is such a fine question loving!! I sure judge you not!!! I will show you something in scripture though,and see what you think about what is being said. ( Rom 13:1-5)

 

[B-A-C]

Deut 22:16; If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and sleeps with her, he must pay a dowry for her to be his wife.

Lev 12:13; He shall take a wife in her virginity.
Lev 21:14; A widow, or a divorced woman, or one who is profaned by prostitution, these he shall not take; but rather he is to marry a virgin of his own people,

Deut 22:23; “If there is a girl who is a virgin betrothed to a man, and another man finds her in the city and sleeps with her,
Deut 22:24; then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death: the girl, because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor’s wife. So you shall eliminate the evil from among you.

Deut 22:28; “If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and has sexual relations with her, and they are discovered,
Deut 22:29; then the man who had sexual relations with her shall give the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife, because he has violated her; he is not allowed to divorce her all his days.

Having sex with someone does not make you married to them.

 

[Sue D.]

@B-A-C -- back in those days -- if / when a man would take a woman and have sex with her -- if the young woman's father didn't like the guy -- he Could say no to the marriage -- but the man in question was still required to pay her way -- for her lifetime -- which was Also meant to be a deterant to a man who wanted to mess around with a woman. And, back then, men didn't want a 'used' woman.

The Old Testament 'ways' meant business. If we took sin as seriously now, as they did back Then, the population would be greatly reduced vey quickly. A virus wouldn't be needed.

 

[B-A-C]

The Old Testament 'ways' meant business. If we took sin as seriously now, as they did back Then, the population would be greatly reduced vey quickly. A virus wouldn't be needed.

You think God views sins differently now? You think He changed?

 

[Sue D.]

@B-A-C -- He doesn't , but Society certainly does. Biblical morality / ethics are pretty much ignored. Of course, not by Everyone , 'we' act on what we're taught. When Bible isn't taught , it's not going to be followed.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I am married, but not legally. My husband and I can't afford to have a wedding or get rings right now, but we have prayed to god to accept our marriage and have told him that we are married. Do you have to get married by a priest to actually be married in god's eyes?

You were "Married" (in God's Eyes) the first time you joined FLESH with your wife, so that's all water under the bridge.

However there are some sound economic reasons for the State to be involved - particularly is there are kids. Property rights, Signing rights, LEGAL RELATIONSHIP issues, ownership of assets, and if you decide to Split - WHO GETS STUFF???

A quick oath at the Justice of the peace is cheap, and gets the legal stuff taken care of. "Weddings" have nothing to do with being "Married", and everything to do with a civil contract execution.

 

[brighthouse98]

Remember BAC we are not under the old law.

 

[brighthouse98]

God sure has not changed but his Covenant sure did.

 

[Sue D.]

You were "Married" (in God's Eyes) the first time you joined FLESH with your wife, so that's all water under the bridge.

However there are some sound economic reasons for the State to be involved - particularly is there are kids. Property rights, Signing rights, LEGAL RELATIONSHIP issues, ownership of assets, and if you decide to Split - WHO GETS STUFF???

A quick oath at the Justice of the peace is cheap, and gets the legal stuff taken care of. "Weddings" have nothing to do with being "Married", and everything to do with a civil contract execution.

Actually -- having sex with a person who isnt yet your spouse is still fornication. If a man and woman really want to express themselves sexually but cant be married -- then they could promise to be faithful to each other -- forsaking everyone else -- til one or both of them die. But I cant really think of any situation where that would be the situation. So -- the next best thing would be to practice self-control and Not 'be together´ until they can be joined legally.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Actually -- having sex with a person who isnt yet your spouse is still fornication. If a man and woman really want to express themselves sexually but cant be married -- then they could promise to be faithful to each other -- forsaking everyone else -- til one or both of them die. But I cant really think of any situation where that would be the situation. So -- the next best thing would be to practice self-control and Not 'be together´ until they can be joined legally.

"Joined Legally" has nothing to do be "being Married".

 

[B-A-C]

Remember BAC we are not under the old law.

For this discussion, it doesn't matter that much. some say it never was a law.

But still we aren't under the ceremonial law anymore, we are still under the moral law.
There have been several threads about this.

 

[Sue D.]

"Joined Legally" has nothing to do be "being Married".

Marriage -- at least in This country -- is a combination of Both. I remember back those 46 yrs. ago -- there was a marriage certificate that was to be signed by the pastor and the witnesses and sent off to the state. And there was a marriage ceremony in the church. And then the husband and wife were free to enjoy 'being married'.

And then there Are those who choose to Not have a marriage ceremony -- they just move in together and whatever happens Happens. They are free to move out if/ when they want to. No emotional or financial security but probably a pregnancy taking place. And Then there is the baby to be raised by 'someone'. People are looking for 'love' in the wrong places and the wrong reasons. People try to 'make' love instead of Showing love that's already 'there'.

A wedding ceremony is Supposed to be a very special ceremony joining two lives together Forever. And Marriage is to be the closest possible relationship that the man and woman can possibly enjoy.

 

[brighthouse98]

Understand BAC. I just do not care for mixing old wine with new is all. lol

 

[PloughBoy]

This "Thread" has started to remind me of the book of "Judges".

"in those days, when there was no king in Israel, every man did was right in his own eyes"! Everyone has a declaration what marriage is and how marriages are confirm. Everyone has their own "private interpretations" . Like a animal with "many heads"! In which there is no room for "oneness". But a body with many heads. That even a child can perceive, just a lot of seeds of confusion being planted. So this cannot be of "The LORD Almighty" because?

"for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the assemblies of the saints,"

"Marriage" is entering a Covenant relationship with witnesses. Of vows being taken of a man and woman. Of being uniited forever, modern day era, is whatever the state or country laws decides. So has the law of God, been deferred, in the case of "Marriage" as the many other laws, And if a christian couple decides to divorce for any reason is the divorcing party "condemn"? Or is that christian in any danger of damnation, But is free of damanation and must have no fear, but will have a eternal life of eternal happiness and bliss. So in any case dont fear, you are safe, and do as you please, you will in the end have a life of victory and eternal hapoiness. "for their is no condemnation, for those in Christ Jesus". For even king David commited adultery and killed the woman's husband and the two got married and he also had other wives outside of her. And this was done with the Laws of God intact. And now days it seems everyone is divorcing and plotting, and using all types of entrapments, to prove themsleves in a light of innocence in such matters, better terms "deceitfully evil".

And if I have to explain this to a "true Child of God" you have not matured into "sonshio" yet. But you are still under a "tutor" and at the appropriate time, you will. Just let Patience have its perfect works.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

A wedding ceremony is Supposed to be a very special ceremony joining two lives together Forever.

Key words "Supposed to be". In some cases "Forever" is a couple of months, in my case it's been 55 years. but a WEDDING isn't a "Marriage" - just a legal contract signing. Marriage is the joining of flesh.

 

[PloughBoy]

Key words "Supposed to be". In some cases "Forever" is a couple of months, in my case it's been 55 years. but a WEDDING isn't a "Marriage" - just a legal contract signing. Marriage is the joining of flesh.

Covenant, not ceremony the bible from "Genesis to Revelation" is about a "Covenant" relationship or developing a "Covenant relationship between God and His people. That cannot be broken.

But mankind have been a very poor example of a "covenant" relationship. Describe by "God". The Human race is a poor example of a "Marital" relationship. The Marital. Covenant of today has become a rebellion against GOD! And will be "Judge" by God. The bible says: , ,"and Judgment will begin at the house of GOD". If it begins 1st. With us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of GOD!

Notice: it did not say: "The gospel of Jesus Christ", the gospel according to Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, For it said: for those who do not obey the "The Gospel of GOD"! Meaning GOD the Father. I know the biblical scholars, understands the difference. In the capitals; LORD and the small capitals LORD and the capital "Lord" recordings in the "Oringinal Copied" Manuscript". That we take notice, there is a difference. And we should take heed

The Father ain't ,"Jesus" and "Jesus is the Christ" of GOD! And just because many do not quite understands this, do not in any way lessens "The Truth"! Whether you understands this or not. For Jesus, has warn us about the Father already, on a few occasions. But i hope that many was not be dull of hearing, for the word on many of times said: "He that have ears to hear let him Hear". That meant pay attention to what i am saying, if you have the ears to hear. Stop whatever you are doing and listen.

 

[Sue D.]

It has been said that people put more planning into the wedding ceremony than the marriage itself. Life / marriage is lived one day at a time. It IS what a person puts into it. Both require Effort.

Does a 'couple' Really Mean those vows? Or are they just words repeated for the 'sake of' and then being off to start enjoying 'being married'. It really is up to the man and woman -- how seriously they take those vows.

When the marriage goes through the rough parts -- do they go back and remember those vows -- for better or Worse -- in Sickness as well as health. When either spouse finds themselves attracted to another person -- do they jump ship?
or do they remember those vows -- to be faithful to the other spouse. How do they treat each other.

"Just" a legal contract? How would you feel if --when you get the stomach flu and are throwing up all over the place and your wife says "well, it's Just a legal contract / a piece of paper -- and decides to leave you to clean up after yourself.

That 'piece of paper' is going to feel very important. to you. It represents those vows. The 'in sickness and in health' part.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

That 'piece of paper' is going to feel very important. to you. It represents those vows. The 'in sickness and in health' part.

And PARTICULARLY when "Parting time" comes along, and there are children, and REAL property to be parceled out.

 

[PearlB]

I am married, but not legally. My husband and I can't afford to have a wedding or get rings right now, but we have prayed to god to accept our marriage and have told him that we are married. Do you have to get married by a priest to actually be married in god's eyes?

In the early days marriage between a man and a woman was a personal matter as they agreed to be committed to each other. From what I've read it was the early Catholic church that ordained that unless the couple were married by a priest it was ungodly. I've been where you are and I honestly believe that marriage is two becoming one and God does not condemn such a relationship. I believe you are married in the eyes of God even if not in the eyes of the church. And which of those matters most? Be blessed and don't fret over it.

 

[Sue D.]

@PearlB -- God's Word says other-wise. God's first marriage was joining Adam and Eve and they then had children together. Having sex with the opposite sex does Not make those two married in the eyes of God. They Are committing fornication in His eyes. And His eyes are the Ones that matter.

And two people praying to God and telling Him that they are married and to please accept that is Not being married in His eyes.