Masturbation _ My Experiences, Scripture, and Concerns

[Yennee]

Can masturbation be a sin?
If you hurt or refuse to share pleasure with your spouse in bed, fulfilling only your own desires, is it then still holy?
If you are lusting after someone you ought not to have, is it holy?
If in your heart your imaginations break any of the commandments of YAH, is it not these things by which you sin?
If masturbation, marital sex, or even an otherwise good thing interfear with your rightly chores: work, relationships, focusing on ABBA, or that which is right by command of scripture, is it not excess or even idolatry?

My views:
If your thoughts are sinful, then it is the sin of your thoughts.

If your deeds are harmful, it is the sin of your deeds.

If your actions are neglectful, it is the sin of your neglect.

If your pursuits are consuming, then it is the sin of your consumption.

If you deny that which is good, you endeavor to make it evil.



I believe that by being told masturbation is a sin, when even were it not for my oath of celibacy, of which I have desperately repented many times after learning scripture, I have none whom I can marry in good faith, that will not be or is not already a sin for me to be with nor a detriment to my soul.

YAH is reasonable. Man is not. Scholars and believers agree that nothing to the matter of masturbation is mentioned in the bible, except by inference. For our God to be so direct and concisely clear on numerous other sins, and so vague that sparsely an argument is formed against masturbation, except to those who carefully pick through a very few scriptures and gather carefully implied meaning, is questionable to me, and many others, even disturbing.

The closest I have found: Leviticous -- "If a man's seed go out from him, he is unclean untio the even". Mentioned again in Dueteronomy with "in the night" added in, and as being separate from lying with a woman. So, wet dreams aren't a sin, simply unclean/messy. Having seed on garments and bedding is also mentioned as unclean.


This is the closest I have encountered to a good argument, based mostly on a single, lonely verse from the bible:

Is Masturbation a Sin? (Yes, the Bible Does Say It Is a Sin) | AGW MINISTRIES

Contrary to popular opinion, the Bible does speak directly to the issue of masturbation with unmistakable clarity. While it must be quickly admitted you won’t find the actual words “masturbation, self-pleasure, or self-gratification” anywhere in the inspired 66 books, the Bible often speaks on...

applygodsword.com

Yet, I still wonder if, as often occurs in sexless marriages, it is referring to adultery, as mentioned by Yahoshua: "If any man divorce his wife for any other than defilement of the marriage bed, he causes her to commit adultery." This directly indicates sex outside of marriage and temptation of companionship, not masturbation for a virgin who is patiently waiting.

My Mom did not want to have sex with my Dad, so he turned to porn and call-girls, or would rape her. My Mother's Father's wife refused to have sex with him, so he raped his daughter, siring my Mom, and then raped her, too!

Beyond that, the root meaning of porneia includes strippers, perverse artists and authors, homosexuals, and film or cartoon makers, as well as pedophiles (all child-philes), and zoophiles, as well as other unnatural sexual pursuits and desires such as bondage, crossdressing, transgender, transexual, etcetera. Masturbation, unless you actually are in lust with your self, viewing or desiring these materials or strange flesh, participating with someone else, or your desire is already founded in a known sin, is rare, but can *potentially* occur without such filth and wretchedness, though admittedly uncommon, usually.

Nonetheless, most masturbation arguments discuss confines to marriage for married couples. But what about living to 30, 40+ years of age as a virgin, waiting for a righteous spouse, rather then marrying an unbeliever for the sake of lust?

And what of my swearing myself to celibacy in ignorance and without righteous mortal guidance, when the bible says, "you shall hardly be released from your oath"? And as said by Yahoshua himself: "Do not swear [at all by anything/one], nor make oaths, neither any promises for [you are not God that you can ensure perfect execution of it]. Rather, let your answer be yay yay (yes yes) or nay nay (no no), for *ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS COMES FROM THE DEVIL.*"

 

[Yennee]

My background history:


My Dad was a cultist who worshiped himself as a supreme sexual being -- Mormonism.

My Mom despised sex and men, but lusted for it, and children and youths, and molested us.

My Dad taught me that the greatest thing I could ever do was marry and become a wife. The greatest thing is to commit yourself to Yahoshua.

My Mom told me masturbation was a dirty nasty sin, but it was better "to do that than fool around with men and burn in hell."

I first masturbated because I was desirous to marry and have children one day, and did not want to burn in hell for that *wicked, evil, nasty, sinful thing* I desired.


I am 31 this month of October 2021, and I have to face being raped our dog about 20 years ago when I didn't yet know what sex was and couldn't defend myself and most humans don't believe it physically possible and mock me for it, molested by my Mom and Brother, peeped on by my Brother, my Brother desiring to rape me, raped by a demon in the haunted apartment we lived in, and having a multitude of comorbid bowl and sexual disorders from all this trauma as well as IBS, and other physical and physiological disorders.



So, after that brief, my Salvation story:


In my teens, I accidentally discovered porn as a teen after the "I don't want to burn in hell", first attempt at masturbation, and got into beastiality porn, but eventually branched over to human porn.

At late 17, before the month of my birth or barely into it, I was Saved when I finally learned about rendering my sins from my Brother, upon hearing the phrase "You need to get Saved" in an online sermen and having my world zoom in on that, and leave me trembling violently for 3 days and asking "What is get Saved? How do I do that?" And not being told by our Mother -- Dad was out of the picture on my 13th birthday.

In that prayer, wherein all I knew is I was already committed to "God" and trusting in Him for all my life and needs, and for my plan to run away from home the day after my birthday, take nothing, live by "God", "find a husband, have lots of children, and do better than my parents ever did" I said the words for the first time, something like:
I render my sins and ask "Jesus" to be my Lord and Savior, and I will serve you [God] all the days of my life, please forgive me my sins, and give me the Holy Spirit.

Then, I felt a troubling, as if I could not close the prayer, as if I needed to render more: which was my desire to do my own will, run away, get married to whomever, have kids, and hopefully convert all the above and serve "God" all the days of my life, because I believed my *only value* as a human being, by that point, was to be a wife and mother. I wanted God to fulfill my will, rather than submitting to His, and I held sex and marriage on par with serving God and as the last to goals I had left in life.

However, the words came to me "I swear never to marry nor know any man".

It is written, and said by Yahoshua himself: "Do not swear [at all by anything/one], nor make oaths, neither any promises for [you are not God that you can ensure perfect execution of it]. Rather, let your answer be yay yay (yes yes) or nay nay (no no), for *ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS COMES FROM THE DEVIL.*"

I, not knowing this, being ignorant, just discovering Salvation and asking for my Lord to be my guide and Protector, and for my intercessor, and the Comforter, was ensnared in the very first prayer for Safety and Deliverance ... I received the Holy Spirit that night, upon my bed, while I slept, and was so overwhelmed I was nearly thrown by the power of the feel, but remained there, burning in the Spirit. I then suffered demonic torment for months (many days) after, trusting in God, sleeping with my bible, clutching my cross, often drawing the cross in air and on everything including myself, and praying without ceasing, night and day. I was delivered.

I spent the next 3 years unable to recall nor desire porn, perverse masturbation, or my former sins beyond knowing they had once existed, and did no longer.

But, what of my swearing myself to celibacy in ignorance and without righteous mortal guidance, when the bible says, "you shall hardly be released from your oath"? There is mention in the scripture that if a woman swear in her father's, in the day he hear.of the oath, she shall be free from it. But I was in my Mother's apartment. Although, later, our Dad did reject it for my Brother and I, and my Brother had made the same oath as an 8 year old when he was first Saved, not wanting to be like our violent parents. Further, I repented upon learning this scripture. Moreover, my Brother, though when he first heard of it said it was between me and the Lord and said little more, now that he understands, though it's been years, he now admits if he'd known he'd have slapped me and told me not to say such a thing. Finally, YAH is my Father.

 

[Yennee]

So, now for MY EXPERIENCES WITH MASTURBATION:

I was 21, no lust in my heart, when I was stricken with a uterin cyst that caused me to be bed ridden in agony, unable to hardly eat or relieve myself, hunched over hard, barely able to walk or crawl, and bleeding heavily on my period for 17 days. I never received medical attention, as our Mother had comtrol over our lives, and didn't and wouldn't help me.

I *had* to get my school work done (online college -- please, it's better to have human contact than risk the deadly lonliness for years of isolation). So, I got myself into the desk chair beside my bed, and tried to do school work, only for agony to consume me so thorowly that my muscles turned me into a closed lap top forcing my torso into my legs, with the actual open laptop fusing to my face and thr desk beneath it to my legs as I remained trapped in that possition begging God to relieve the pain. I had my fingers pressed against my vaginal opening, pressing them for warmth and pressure at rach wave of horrific agony. I experienced no sexual pleasure nor thoughts, neither was there anything sexual anywhere to be seen; I only did it becease the warmth and pressure helped relieve some pain, as I prayed for help lest merge with my laptop, already stuck to my desk, unable to pry myself free.

I had an orgasm. Most of my pain washed away, my muscles relaxed, I could get up! I went to take a shower, after so many days, for I was finally able to get into the tub on my own! I praised God for freeing me and helping me and giving me healing and agony relief! I, recognising the orgasm as a pain relief, used that to further promote healing, and guard me from being crippled by pain and muscular (and turning into a laptop again) -- vague images of concepts of two lovers in my mind provide itself to aid my self stimulous for the sake of continuing in fighting the hellish physical condition I was in. Yet, I told myself, but wait, "masturbation is a sin", so I hated myself, and begged for forgiveness, conflicted over how an orgasm I had no control over -- which I did and still do consider God's mercy -- could "help me".

If "all good comes from God", and that was undeniably a good thing that happened, how then is it a sin when I had no lust neither desire nor pursuit of any perversion, only all-consumed pleading for mercy from consuming agony? Did I need to repent of an orgasm I never intended to cause, when it was merciful grace and medicine unto me? There is nothing but condemnation in standard "Christianity" for my experience, and accusations of lust or devilry that *were not there*, or do you know my heart better than God Almighty? I was in too much pain to do any more than beg God for help, as I fused with my desk and laptop thereon, unable to free myself!

I had already been told in the past, as a teen (16), that for the severe problems I had with my womb, the 2 methods of treatment were birth control and dilation therapy, neither of which were legal for me then. Recalling this, I prayed with God for help and direction, since Mother would not allow me birth control (that'd make me a ****/*****), and something was still wrong in there, I went down, behind her back, and purchased a vibrator from Walgreens. It hurt at first, but it helped, and continued to help me for 3.25 years. After the uterine cyst, Mother, finally, after months of pleading, let me see a doctor. I was given birth control, bled worst of all my life, for 21 days, and was exhausted and about bedridden by the end of that, only to near immedietly start another period for length of days.

I shed my unhealthy uterine lining -- horrifying! -- and became regular for the first time. I kept with the birth control until my period lessened to a full stop, which concerned me, so then I quite it, and continued with the vibrator, remaining regular and healthier for years. Further changes to diet to remove foods of allergy and intollerance made my period milder as I cared for my "immuno-compromised" metabolism. My health greatly improved!

So, having the relief of removing Nightshades, and always suffering in perpetual self-hatred and self-condemnation over what most Christians considered a sin, I quite masturbation for months at a time, and threw out my vibrator and its replacement dildo, because the vibrator finally broke.

Since quitting masturbation, my prior medical conditions, including Proctalgia fugax, sudden phantom pains (without intercourse, and triggered by molestation memories), irregularity, severe and life threatening menstraul symptoms (now diagnosed PMDD), severe depression and anxiety issues have all come back with a vengeance, though I remain far closer to regular than before, and having learned muscle control from dilation/masturbation therapy, could disengage or brace for and even prevent pains. I later got physical therapy to further help me control and reduce pain, but, masturbation with assist of an adult tool helped/helps most.

_ Anal, rectal, intestinal, vaginal, and even uterine "Charlie Horses" _ brief, but sharp, and can last a couple minutes or so, and may occur frequently for up to a month or more, or around menstruation:
_ Proctalgia fugax, a variant of Levator Ani Syndrome

Proctalgia fugax - Wikipedia

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Levator ani syndrome - Wikipedia

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Other *actually experienced and reliable benefits of masturbation* I have known:

Mends and promotes regularity of possibly life threatening bowl habbits.
Reduces anxiety and depression.
Helps with sleep.
Reduces PMDD symptoms.
Eliminates Proctalgia fugax.
Regulates hormones and reduces menstrual symptoms even though done outside of menstruation.
I have been able to do it in *clear conscience*, feeling no shame nor spiritual condemnation, praising YAH wholeheartedly, and even *after asking ABBA if I may* and feeling/perceiving "Yes", when I had free time from chores, which had gone fruitfully that day of faithfulness and spiritual abundance!

It is not fornication nor adultry -- I have never had sex!
Though, even without masturbation, one can harbor such desires in their heart! "If you so much as *look upon* a woman [or man!] with desire to have her [or him] it is adultry."

I am not contemplating anyone real, for to lust after them, only the concept or made up scenarios with usually self-made-up characters.

I, though ignorant, (and by the biblical words of our Savior's own warning: ), was fooled by the devil to swear myself to celibacy, to which my understanding of the scriptures appears to potentially bind me unto death, unless I can repent of it for having not known better.

Even still, I have no one to marry, and the Lord warns heavily against marrying the unbelievers, lest they turn you away from Him as Solomon's wives caused Solomon to go a ******* after idols. And that is an all-consuming sin, to forsake the Lord of our Salvation, and especially, by the endless prompting of wicked aspousal, to not repent of it and throw them out for idolatry (they'd be killed in the Old Testament)!



"Seek after those things which are noteworthy, praiseworthy, chaste, of good report." Masturbation helps me medically in multiple ways for multiple conditions, even from conditions that induce severe suicidal ideation (PMDD). It also helps me psychologically, emotionally, and gives me all these reasons to praise YAH. Yet, I am told it's a sin and I must stop. I've prayed that if ABBA doesn't want me to do it, then to provide me help for my healing, yet I suffer, even life threatening disorders and conditions and complications if I don't do it. If it does all this good, why am I being MADE TO LIE, to say it is purely evil/harm and sinful?

If all these things are to be benefits reaped strictly within marriage, what of my ignorant swearing to celibacy, and what of having neither option nor opportunity for holy union if I am releasable from this oath? And what of other Christians waiting decades in virginity to be married the first time, which is becoming more common!? I can't get "Christians" to read scripture with me apart from my Saved Brother! I don't even have trustworthy friends in person most of the time, for this issue of false doctrines and determined/fierce unbelievers! ("Old Testament is irrelevant", "You should speak in tongues if you're really Saved", when the scriptures speak against these very things outright!!!)

 

[Yennee]

A Different Argument Concerning Masturbation



Mattew 5:28-30 If a man lusts (desires for to have) a woman, he has committed *adultery* with her already. Not fornication, adultery. One of them is married, and this is breaking the Holy covenant of marriage. Yet, to note, a man can take multiple wives and even concubines (slaves or servants given over against their ability to contest the matter), which many righteous men did, including Abraham, Isaac?, and Jacob, and king David. Further this word for lust means to desire to possess.

Many men are shown to be desirous of women in the bible for to have them to wife, even while waiting years for to receive them to wife, and it is not condemned. Surely, women had desires, too.

Further, many righteous men and women of the bible remained in abstinence and virginity for decades at a time. Isaac was married at 40! Are we to assume they never masturbated?

Furthermore, if a man seduce a virgin to lay with her, he is to take her to wife, and there is *no sin offering* to be made. However, if the father of the damsel that was a virgin deny the man, the man shall pay the damsel's father the price for a virgin because he "humbled" her. There is *still no sin offering.*

In Leviticus, if a man's seed goes out from him, he is unclean until the even, he shall wash his clothing and bedding with water, and dwell outside the camp, and be unclean until the even; but *there is still no sin offering*.

Deuteronomy has the same verse, but mentioning that it be in the night, implicating wet dreams. However, Leviticus does not make this distinction. Why? Further, there is still *no mention of a sin offering*.

Further, it is written, that if the man's seed of copulation be on any garment, or bedding, or anything, it shall be washed and is likewise unclean until the even. Likewise, there is still *no mention of a sin offering*.

Moreover, if a man lay with a woman, even if married, he shall be unclean until the even, but *there remains no sin offering.*

Yes, a man and woman are to be together (Genesis), and one should marry lest they burn in their lust (1 Corinthians 7:9), but this does not mention masturbation definitively, and may refer to the temptation of resisting fornication or other previously mentioned, and clearly stated sin, listed in the same chapter and many others. Lust being here means to burn with passion. Paul mentions this in regard to lacking self-control. If we interpret this as inability to resist fornication or other verified sins, there those who are consumed to pursue ******* to, like the man who killed John Wilks Booth who shot Abraham Lincoln, and then made himself a eunic to serve our Lord and the US. If we take this as yearning, Paul says "it is better," and not that they shall burn in hell. Why be straightforward about sin in the same chapter, and here to simply say, "it is better" than to yearn with passionate longing. We assume "burn" means in hell fire, but the Greek says otherwise, and gives no mention of actual fire or hell fire, at all.

"Walk not after the flesh, but in Spirit". Desire and yearning are not listed as sins, for we should desire a spouse, marriage, children, even when we are forced into celibacy waiting for that day. Yearning for a specific individual in your virginity for to marry them is not a sin. Yearning for your spouse is not a sin. If you yearn in trust of YAH and holy longing, though you crave the comfort and companionship of a spouse, this is not a sin! But keep your focus on YAH! And do not despair, and do not put one another down with accusations and condemnations that the Law of YAH does not support.

I crave cake. It is not gluttony. It is good to feast and to celebrate at times, and our Lord appointed days for it. Thank YAH!

I crave marriage. It is good. Thank YAH!

I crave companionship. It is good. Thank YAH!

I crave extra sleep on my days of rest when I am fatigued from long work hours that do not honor the Lord's day, nor Sabbaths, nor the duties of the woman and chores of the home, and which deprive me and cause me to extend my availability beyond the "12 hours for the day" in the 6 days of the week. It is not sloth. It is good to have rest, and our Lord appointed days and hours, and respect of all life's chores/works. HalleluYAH!



Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:20‭-‬21 KJV

https://bible.com/bible/1/2pe.1.20-21.KJV

Yet, we have all these folks saying, "it is implied here, if you look closely, it is carefully hid there", but though the Greek has an actual word for masturbation, and does not list it under porneia (Does anyone know the ancient Hebrew word for masturbation?), this word is never used, yet many things less frequent to occur or as controversial are explicitly mentioned.

Why do we demand that it be implied, when even such exceptional specifics of beastiality, various forms of incest, and even porneia includes pedophilia and homosexuality, and cross dressing is mentioned, and *******, and sexual displays also under porneia (includes pole dancing and other explicit acts, none penetrating)?

What other sin is *only* implied, despite prominence? Even abortion is condemned by death as mischief for to cause a woman to lose her fruit!

Scholars, church leaders, and believers the world over ask, "where is it mentioned?", only to hear, "it's implied!", and the foundation of the argument is based on a few scriptures that discuss the sins of *adultery*, Onen (sp) refusing to raise seed to his brother -- the child of whom would inherit the right of the firstborn -- though he had no qualms having sex with her!, being alone and unwed with passion, and desiring unnatural sexual encounters and strange flesh, or giving into the lusts of the flesh.

On that last one, sex within marriage harbors desire, yet is not this wicked "lust", which we vaguely describe as all sexual desires. Further, while gluttony of drugs, alcohol, food, luxury, and sex (there is even a separate word for this form of excess in the new testament) is condemned, it is not wrong to drink, eat cake, feast, use medicine, and have wealth. We are condemning virgins for having God given desire, and even holy passions for future spouses, because they are unfortunate enough to not be wed!

Yet, the Lord warns many times, "do not marry strange women, neither marry among the heathen, lest they should cause you to go a ******* after strainge gods" and you forget me, forsake me, come to swell in sin as and perversion as the nations before you.

It is *better to marry* lest you yearn/burn with passion. *But don't marry the unbelievers lest they ensnare your soul. Further, is it righteousness to pursue marriage not for YAH and in self-control, and patience, and trust, but to marry whomever because you're horny or frightened of dwelling in abstinence with passion that compels you to masturbate at times? It is worse to defy our Lord, and dwell with sinners, whom we are told to flee from, lest we fall pray to their wicked ways! Said all over scripture, even concerning friendship.



How about this:

Let us concern ourselves with fellowship, and have compassion and mercy upon the long-suffering virgins. Maybe it will help relieve their stress, help them endure, edify and uplift them, comfort them of loneliness and sorrow, and potentially help them draw closer to a righteous spouse than dwell in fear of congregational condemnation?

 

[Yennee]

Oh!, what if we list *ALL* the scriptures that imply or infer any such concept that may indicate masturbation?

FOR THOSE WHO SAY THAT MASTURBATION IS A SIN…

Yep, I’m going there because I feel this piece will be a blessing to someone. A blessing to someone who is single or to someone who is married but is in a season of being ‘out of sync&#…

beblesstified.com

Is Masturbation a Sin?

^Excellent mention that shame if one's own desires and sexuality often leads toward sexual deviance, including homosexuality, beastiality, porn, etc. Further good point: if it's a problem for you, then there are things that may be a matter of personal venture that are sin for one and not the other, as Paul mentioned, for some ((and as Paul said, be respectful of them!!)) are weaker brethren. It does *not* mean they stay this way!! But we all have to start somewhere.

Leviticus 15:16 Includes Masturbation

Many commentators over the centuries have tried to say Leviticus 15:16 is only describing a man having a nocturnal emission and not masturbation. But there is a glaring problem with this interpreta…

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Yahoshua's mention of "adultery" in Mathew 5:28

Paul's mention of it being "better" to marry than to burn in lust (Greek: burn with desire), if you have not "self-control": 1 Corinthians 7:9
Masturbation? Or urge toward fornication or adultery? Or a *better* way than suffering in loneliness?

The others I can think of are in the links, already.


YAH bless us all, and guide us in the Way, the Truth, and the Life. In the name of Yahoshua, selah/amen.



I know my sources are one sided, but that is because this is the first time it occurred to me to type in "Leviticus is a man's seed go out from him masturbation", which I've never done before! These results and verses from Leviticus and Deuteronomy have never come up for me when searching for "is masturbation a sin?" How refreshing that others are actually discussing this! I actually troubled that I appeared to be alone (exceedingly minuscule minority), though I *figured* I could not be!

 

[MrBear]

Well could you consider anything that is addictive drinking, drugs, cigarettes, masturbation as that can be addictive as any drug but you do it so much it’s like going on autopilot, then after awhile it’s not even satisfying anymore
Like you are trying to fill a need but getting nowhere, but you are opening yourself up to unclean spirits because after awhile “ normal porn” doesn’t do it and you start to look at real people ( not porn actors “ if u can call them that”) like a peice of meat instead of our fathers image
Would you consider that a form of idolatry?
I know people that consider anything that takes the attention from god and gives more attention to fleshly pleasure to be a sin
I’m not judging I have read your story and it’s not something I can imagine dealing with myself plus flesh pleasures is somthing the enemy knows how to use to get his hooks in you and make you a slave to him
The worst I got was a beating once in awhile,
I know that god killed a man for spilling his seed on the ground but it was for him not fulfilling his “ duties” of Torah not the seed itself
When people consider it a sin it’s more for the reasons above to covet something more than the lord is what I gain from the subject—- I’m no expert—- but again I have read your story and I’m saddened by the mistreatment you went through
You obviously are looking for help and I see you posting I don’t want you to think you are not noticed and wanted you to know I’m praying for you
I’m in no way a councilor or therapist but I can pray and there is power in that, we all have gods ear and through him miracles can happen
You are not alone
SHALOM

 

[Yennee]

Well could you consider anything that is addictive drinking, drugs, cigarettes, masturbation as that can be addictive as any drug but you do it so much it’s like going on autopilot, then after awhile it’s not even satisfying anymore
Like you are trying to fill a need but getting nowhere, but you are opening yourself up to unclean spirits because after awhile “ normal porn” doesn’t do it and you start to look at real people ( not porn actors “ if u can call them that”) like a peice of meat instead of our fathers image
Would you consider that a form of idolatry?
I know people that consider anything that takes the attention from god and gives more attention to fleshly pleasure to be a sin
I’m not judging I have read your story and it’s not something I can imagine dealing with myself plus flesh pleasures is somthing the enemy knows how to use to get his hooks in you and make you a slave to him
The worst I got was a beating once in awhile,
I know that god killed a man for spilling his seed on the ground but it was for him not fulfilling his “ duties” of Torah not the seed itself
When people consider it a sin it’s more for the reasons above to covet something more than the lord is what I gain from the subject—- I’m no expert—- but again I have read your story and I’m saddened by the mistreatment you went through
You obviously are looking for help and I see you posting I don’t want you to think you are not noticed and wanted you to know I’m praying for you
I’m in no way a councilor or therapist but I can pray and there is power in that, we all have gods ear and through him miracles can happen
You are not alone
SHALOM

No, no, no, no, no, not porn, or excessive masturbation. Only occasionally, and without porn, or addiction.

I am glad you are thinking of me. I want to help others going through these terrible struggles. Especially those who've been raped or sexually assaulted by animals : there's nothing out there that I've found yet, but our Father's Love. I have done well, to my own surprise, confronting this! Our Father has helped me through, and given me others to hear and share sympathies and personal and impersonal testimonies.

I've thought more about this since last I was on, and while I struggle with the idea that madturbation appears not to be a sin and with searching for evidence and Truth, as it *is*, some things come to light :

Typically noted as
adultry __ unwed ?
idolatry __ minimalistic and not consuming in pursuit or yearning, nor of worshipful contemplations.
addiction __ occasional ?
fornication __ not contemplative of, nor obsessing over, real individuals ?

selfish pleasure __ lonely birthday cake, candy for one, ear buds, countless items and articles of possession -- not a sin, unless it becomes love of money

self-harming __ has proven medical benefits, and can even heal mind, heart, body, and console a troubled soul, as well as assist struggling married couples, rape victims, infertility and pain and urinary difficulty caused by constrained urethra in males , and more




It bothers me that pastures smudge, fudge, twist, manipulate, and ignore scripture, social variance, concepts of thought, individual circumstances, and solid evidence, as well as the existence and persistence of single persons.

Further, it bothers me that the Catholic and Mormon, Islamic, atheists, and other cults are some of the most avid against it, promote hot pursuit of marriage within the congregation or otherwise direct pursuit of illicit sex as the "cure" to the "sin of masturbation ".


WE'RE AGREEING WITH CULTISTS ? ! ? ! \O_O'/

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

What would Jesus do?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

“And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.” -Colossians 3:17

Do all things to the glory of God. If you can masterbate to the glory of God, go for it, if you can't, don't.

Which path seems more likely to bring God glory, one, the other, both?


When we put Jesus at the center and start from there, instead of self, the path to truth will be clearer. Love and God bless.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

For those who support masterbation, this ( Harmony Robot- The Future Wife of Men?????? )
is will it will lead and if you support that action, you will
find it hard to not support this because many will just see it as a more advanced way to masturbate,
an action that many who call themselves Christians, unfortunately support.

 

[Dave M]

the bible tells us sexually immoral people will not inherit the kingdom of God, this verse literally tells is if you are doing such and such you are not going to heaven. What you do how you live is proof on wear you are headed when you die.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Yennee]

What would Jesus do?

There's an interesting one!

I would imagine He never masturbated, was able to thwart even wet dreams, entertained no sexual yearning at all, ever, and will be marrying in Spirit and not in flesh when He returns for his Bride.

But there's the weird thing about sex: it's mortal and for mortal continuity. The angels don't do it, our Savior couldn't have done it, and yet it is not of itself a sin, it is simply a mortal thing. Although, it can occur in tangent with sins.

He ate, we eat.
Did He get sick or food poisoning? We get sick and food poisoning.

In the divine, our Lord mentions thinking of us in glorious ways and treasuring us as a Bride, He yearns and gets jealous, but this will be a spiritual marriage without sex, at all, *ever*.

So, thinking fondly, lovingly, even adoring and romantically are permissible and biblically supported and not condemned. In an earthly marriage, these thoughts will include sex.

However, sex is not a sin! Human, mortal marriages were not done away with and condemned for sexual relations after our Savior gave His life and rose again during the first coming! Yet, YAHshua/Jesus did *not* do such things, and won't, *ever*, even after His return! His abstinence from sex did not make it, of itself, a sin, but that it is simply recognized as unnecessary when all is made new, and we are perfected in mind *and* body. *Then* we shall be like the angels who neither marry nor give in marriage, nor are to have sexual desires as they will *no longer* be necessary for the temporary human continuity as we are *currently* designed for.

Sex is currently exceptioned as a mortal necessity, and so too reproduction and sexual yearning. In the bible, Jacob is not condemned for desiring Rachel, at all, nor any other man or women for yearning sexually and lovingly for one another, even prior to marriage and for years at a time (7 years he worked for his bride -- do you think his thoughts included no sexual yearning, when this was the apparent basis of his yearning for her?), unless adultry, idolatry, or some other known sin was involved to make the sexual desires sinful. Isaac waited until he was 40? Are we supposed to assume he never once thought, had a wet dream, or perhaps masturbated by 40 years old when he married?? Yet, there is no condemnation for such things in the bible, despite 2000+++ years of diligent scholars and True Believers.

Sex itself is not condemned, but given support within marriage. Moreover, if folks had sex outside of marriage, it was not condemned, but they were to marry rather than *fall into fornication and adultry* later through *disloyalty*; but no sacrifices were made to repent of their eagerness for one another prior to marriage, only the commanded reinforcing of unity through marital bond -- so, no [continued] sex outside of marriage, as that is fornication, which is emphasized by a rejection of marital faithfulness and committed unity with awareness in the community of this enduring union. So, fornication is better described not as the initial act of sex outside of marriage (though it is still expected to be within!), nor the yearning for sex while one is yet unwed, but is an act similar to adultery in its unfaithfulness to one partner until YAH separates them by removal from this mortal continuity.

Further, sexual yearning before marriage, is not condemned, but openly mentioned without condemnation throughout the scriptures. Furthermore, Leviticus and Deuteronomy mentioned sexual emission outside of marriage that is (as with all sex, even marital) unclean, but does not require a sacrifice for sin, at all.

Thus, it is easily concluded that wet dreams, which are typically beyond absolute control and prevention of the one having them, are clearly not a sin, yet they are addressed for their uncleaness. Furthermore, these same verses do not strictly indicate emissions without a woman occurring only in ones sleep, although it is noted that they are messy.

Leviticus 15:16-18

16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. 17And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. 18The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

Deuteronomy gives a distinction, which Leviticus does not give. All scripture is inspired by YAH, and while the writers and readers are often flawed, YAH'S Word is not. Why clarify in one and not the other the matter of sleeping, when the former was the one the Levites were teaching everyone!? Furthermore, why is not masturbation condemned right here in these very verses which layout The Law? These people could *not* have been ignorant of such things, yet no scripture outright condemns sexual yearning of itself, nor the emission of seed by orgasm by itself, as no sacrifice was needed, only washing for cleanliness sake.

Deuteronomy 23:10-11

10If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp: 11But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.

Further, Paul discusses the yearning of the unwed, that "it is better" for them to marry, and not that they are in any way condemned for having yearning, nor is it commanding they marry recklessly, which is condemned in the Old and New Testaments, as we are not to make our habitations with the unbelievers, nor marry them, lest we go astray after their gods! So, it is better to marry [to a True Believer], which may mean waiting years, even decades in abstinence and self-condemnation for an act that is never expressly stated in the bible as a sin, and moreover, with evidence that it is not!



Hear me on this:


I *want* to condemn masturbation. I found Leviticus and Deuteronomy searching for a way to *prove* its condemnation. I cannot support the condemnation of masturbation by scripture or sound reasoning.

Every pasture I hear condemn deliberately twists scripture, lies, ignores signficant variables, and uses extreme manipulation of circumstances to justify their argument. THERE'S A PROBLEM.

When people I respect are preaching, and they get to masturbation, and say and do things like this:

Singles?
*~waves them off~* "Oh, you know you are supposed to be waiting....."

Married?
"It's adultery! You *know* you're not thinking about your spouse! There's *nearly always* porn involved!"

What if am thinking of my spouse, and there is no porn involved?
"That's not possible! And even if it were, then it's a time for abstinence. You knew what you were getting into when you signed up for the military or that job that forced you to separate from your spouse for months, maybe even years at a time."

And what about singles?
"Jesus/Yahoshua said it is adultery to so much as think about someone not your spouse!"

Still single....


Did you know that Christian marriages are occurring later and later in life ((around 40 years old! as it was with Isaac, and others)), as couples struggle to wait until they can marry a True Believer in this corrupt and perverted modern world?, which is so disconnected that the very fellowship we are having now is dependent on this forum, because I and countless others cannot get this level of Fellowship in our real life, or even close to it!?



I tried *so* hard not to be long-winded. Honest.

Conclusion:

There is something terribly wrong when alarm bells go off every time I hear a sermon condemning masturbation, and these *faithful teachers* are twisting everything from scripture to reality and ignoring the facts. SOMETHING IS WRONG.

What would Jesus/Yahoshua do? Think on us fondly until a Divine Marriage wherein sex has no place, at all, but Spiritual unity. There's no sex in the hereafter. If that's an issue for you, *that* is a sin with which you need divine help.

Think on things that are praiseworthy and good? If I think on marriage and how I would conduct myself as a wife, and these contemplations and conversations between YAH and I refine my standards and morals, why am I told to condemn this?

If thoughtful, sexually romantic, and lingering and overwhelming thoughts about someone you hope to marry are not condemned, why should I condemn this? Even if it turns out that they are no good for me, my heart was pure, even if I was desirous, as I did not fornicate but pursued marriage, even when marriage was inevitably off the table.

If masturbation prevents disturbing wet dreams that torment me and gives me relief so I can refocus on YAH and *chat with Him* about deeper sexual and romantic questions and concepts, why is it condemned without a solid, biblical argument wherein pastures don't lie and twist scripture and reality??

If I have had times of undeniable spiritual correction over masturbation, and I most certainly don't get this every time, but even have times of clear conscience, why should I condemn all occasions with the few?

Why, when I asked our Father for scriptures proving masturbation is a sin did I find Leviticus and Deuteronomy to comfort my soul that I don't have to *beg forgiveness* for dreams I didn't choose, and desires that are not condemned, but which even our God reflects in a divine love and romantic adoration for His Holy Bride.

 

[Yennee]

the bible tells us sexually immoral people will not inherit the kingdom of God, this verse literally tells is if you are doing such and such you are not going to heaven. What you do how you live is proof on wear you are headed when you die.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

"pornoi", here translated as sexually immoral, definition:

Strong's g4205

- Lexical: πόρνος
- Transliteration: pornos
- Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
- Phonetic Spelling: por'-nos
- Definition: a fornicator, man who prostitutes himself.
- Origin: From pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of piprasko); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine).
- Usage: fornicator, whoremonger.
- Translated as (count): the sexually immoral (4), sexually immoral (3), fornicator (2), for the sexually immoral (1).

Some modern terms more appropriate would be a "Player", a "porn star/actor/actress", a "pimp", or anyone with a "body count" of people they have slept with.



I was raped at 11 by our dog, and I have been molested by mother and brother especially, but I am otherwise a virgin. I don't date, flirt, fornicate, sell myself or my images, watch porn (though I've struggled with it at times), idolize the sexuality of movie stars or music stars who are so worshipped in this age, nor seek to tear apart a marriage through adultry because they have something I can only hope for.

I am not promoting pornography, prostitution, sex robots or anything or anyone else as the replacement for a wholesome marriage.

I am promoting abstinence, not fornication and sexual pursuits outside of marriage with those whom you should not be with nor thinking about.

I am talking about marital contemplations, hopes, and yearnings. I am talking about *not* paring up with simply anyone, but saving yourself for a righteous marriage with a True Believer who is firm and committed in the faith, putting YAH first, before all else, even if that means waiting decades, or possibly never getting to have the joy of marriage in this life, at all, because even fellowship is becoming so hard to have face-to-face that many who call themselves "Christians" don't even know who our Messiah is according to a recent survey, or understand the most foundational principles of Salvation (horrifying).


I masturbate to relieve pain, crippling muscle spasms, stress, and even help to regulate bowel movements (I don't know why it does that, but *arousal by itself* relieves constipation from IBS, whereas meds cause loss of conciousness and trauma), and improve circulation and relax over-excited nerves and muscles from various medical conditions. And apparently, it can even help to regulate hormones, which have been life threatening for me.

I have to ignore Truth and tell myself Lies to condemn the most basic act of masturbation (*by its self*, without perversion), and other medically proven, life-saving, sexual therapies.

I am not talking about robots or replacements for a spouse or human companionship. I am talking about making it through another year, 10, 20 without a husband to comfort me while I devote my thoughts, desires, goals, and resilience to YAH, whatever may come.



Understand, I have long hated, despised, and condemned masturbation. After praying for years, diligently searching scriptures, and observing numerous sermons, I have found outright lies, disregard for reality, and willful manipulations of scripture as the foundations for arguments against masturbation.

This very specific word, "pornia" is but one that is used to generalize "sexual immorality", which by study and research included:
1. prostitution
2. homosexuality
3. rape
4. pedophilia
5. beastiality
6. pornography -- a type of prostitution without direct contact
7. strippers -- a type of prostitution without direct contact
8. necrophilia

It may have also included seduction by drugs or alcohol (condemned even in old testament -- -- P.S. So too is abortion!), potentially multiple wives and concubines/slave-wives (although King David, Abraham, Jacob, and others did, and were called faithful servants!), maybe anal sex, and other acts or unnatural desires as well.


If anyone can verify that this word includes masturbation without the use of any well-known and openly condemned sin, as clearly stated in Old and/or New Testament, please, update me on your scholarly source.

Thus far, only non-scholarly sources over-list inclusions under the *specific* word, porneia, generalizing it to anything remotely "questioned", despite biblical evidence against their arguments.

Ex: Oral sex and all sexual stimulus by the hands, even within the marriage bed as utilized for promotion of healthy arousal have also been included under porneia,

despite no legitimate foundation for such excessive and extreme beliefs. Furthermore, the Song of Solomon indicates both as acceptable and goodly marital acts and both the Old and New Testament **command** sexual gratification of one's spouse.



I am open to correction that is not blind neither mislead, but thoughtfully conducted with prayer, study, and understanding of Truth.

 

[Yennee]

For those who support masterbation, this ( Harmony Robot- The Future Wife of Men?????? )
is will it will lead and if you support that action, you will
find it hard to not support this because many will just see it as a more advanced way to masturbate,
an action that many who call themselves Christians, unfortunately support.

Oh, you can quote multiple posts! Yay!

The unholy effort to replace spouses and friends through fiction, toys, games, and digital devices is a good point to mention. And that is where I want to be clear about the clarity of concepts:

That is idolatry and an attempt to replace the human being in relationships, especially marriage, and a defilement of YAH'S image with perverted and controlling fiction. The very words concerning that sex-robot acknowledge this with the use of "wife". Modern media, toys, and "entertainment" are working to replace humanity as YAH/GOD designed. We're on a forum, now, because this degree of fellowship we have on here is a struggle to find, at all, in person, anymore. We're compensating, but of a necessity, rather than of a consumption devouring self-identity.

When humans go to AIs, games, fiction to totally compensate for and replace a lack of genuine human connections, and to replace reality with fiction, it is corrupt. Imagination is good, YAH given, for growth, development, learning, healing, enhansing connectedness.

I am not promoting replacement nor removal of the human in humanity. Quite the opposite. Humans should be able to have in-person fellowship. But that is becoming harder. If it's hard to find decent, moral friendships even among alleged "Christians", it can only be worse to find spouses in this twisted modern climate. Marriage is being pit off later and later, and this puts a grievous strain on singles. I am 31, and I acknowledge it would take a truly divine miracle for me to be married in a relationship YAH approves and supports.

Now, I admit, for lack of a deeper human interaction with fellow Believers, I often fantasize. I don't have people that will sit down and read or discuss the Bible with me, apart from my brother, and we often have terrible arguments over percieved slights and miscommunications. I am working on this, and he has not given up. However, one of our shared griefs is a lack of ability to have the type of conversations we are having on this forum, right now, with other True Believers, *in-person*. We have not found a "church" as this forum, and in greater grief, they are often satanic, perverse, false, and altogether quite dead. "Church" and "religion" is a pleasure trip for many these days, and lack for hard lessons and vital discussions.

So, I admit, I use fantasy (my imagination) to picture social scenarios I don't have the opportunity for, such as having a family that support my growth and development, friends who aren't haters of YAH, or interacting with families of friends or people that remind me of my morals and to keep them up and not give up the Good Fight or lose focus.

I use imagination to develop and test my own beliefs, morals, perspectives, understanding, and standards, and even to learn more about YAH, contemplating what I would say about Him or how I would describe Him to someone if I were given the chance. I even use fantasy to simply remind myself what is truly important, because I know only my brother will, otherwise, unless I get on here (and that's a wait for a needed reply), and that is often after he and I argue terribly, hurting our relationship.

I have grown as an individual, and been refined and comforted through imagination, and grown in my understanding and love of YAH and humanity through imagination. It has also helped me to work through problems in my real life, and enhance my compassion toward, say my brother when he's been having a hard time (he's been having an especially hard time for a *long* time, now, prayers needed here).

So while imagination gives me things to talk about and review with our ABBA, and helps me to vent my hurts in ways beyond description, as well as develop a greater sense of forgiveness and compassion toward others who've hurt me, I know it is often an idol and obsession in this age that takes people away from YAH, and doesn't mention Him. Our thoughts, deeds, desires, and pursuits should harbor reflection and glory for our Father and God who made us, and Who Saved us by His Son. And I admit to struggling with that, as now, when I feel trapped and powerless to work through a struggle, as with my brother and the seeming darkness of news, politics, and evils of this world, as well as reflections upon our parents' abuses that seems to consume so much of my brother's thoughts. Feeling trapped to reach my brother, I have watched my imagination become rather empty, somewhat twisted, and exhaustively repetitive as our relationship, and fellowship struggles not to drown.

I have found that a healthy imagination is prevalent in a healthy mind, and imaginations, as dreams are supposed to do?, reveals deeper struggles for us to address with our God YAH.

the bible tells us sexually immoral people will not inherit the kingdom of God, this verse literally tells is if you are doing such and such you are not going to heaven. What you do how you live is proof on wear you are headed when you die.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

There was an easier way to respond to this:
Whether by English, Greek, or Hebrew do you define masturbation, of itself and without idolatry or adultery -- neither the breaking of any other clear commandment -- as sexually immoral?

Simply, 1. is it possible to masturbate without breaking any other commandment? 2. If so, does the act which remains imply a harmful or otherwise sinful activity from which all should absolutely abstain?

The commandments prevent harm. Murder, theft, betrayal and disloyalty, deceit, envy, and all. Sins are destructive and consuming acts that bring about harm.

The very quote does not list masturbation, neither define it. We must thoughtfully consider if it qualifies, rather than presume it does automatically. So, honestly considering the terms and definitions of words which are condemned sexually to be immoral, much masturbation committed is condemnable! Ex: Thoughts of *sex with* children, beasts, substitutionary humans (AIs), ones own binary gender, paid sex workers of any kind whether direct or indirect, or mutilation of one's own genitals and defilement of our perfect and all-knowing Father's design.

Typically, there is another sin explaining the condemnation of the act of masturbation. But, is there always, and if not, what can be said of what remains?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I was raped at 11 by our dog, and I have been molested by mother and brother especially, but I am otherwise a virgin. I don't date, flirt, fornicate, sell myself or my images, watch porn (though I've struggled with it at times), idolize the sexuality of movie stars or music stars who are so worshipped in this age, nor seek to tear apart a marriage through adultry because they have something I can only hope for.

There seems to be a lot of trauma I would imagine.
Please forgive me for asking and please don't answer if it is uncomfortable.
Are you being serious that these things actually happened to you by the persons and animal you mentioned???

Sorry for asking, but when I was reading that again, I wasn't sure if this actually happened. I had never really heard of
a dog raping someone.

 

[Yennee]

There seems to be a lot of trauma I would imagine.
Please forgive me for asking and please don't answer if it is uncomfortable.
Are you being serious that these things actually happened to you by the persons and animal you mentioned???

Sorry for asking, but when I was reading that again, I wasn't sure if this actually happened. I had never really heard of
a dog raping someone.

Yep. I am seeing a sex therapist for the "Animal Perpetrated Sexual Assault (APSA)" and the familial molestations.

People try to convince me of things to comfort themselves that this isn't real:
1. That's *physically* impossible!

There's others out there! I can make a list, and Social Services and the Police have reports, as well as medical professionals the world over, and that is *only* from the one's that confess the reality and don't try to turn the assailant into a human during retelling. Maybe that's another reason many males and females don't report their rapes.

2--3. I had to have done something to provoke it! Or, you were willing!

I was 3 or 4 months away from turning 11 (more likely for a bunch of reasons, but I think it was between 5th and 6th grade, as it gave me a double knee injury that I sported in 5th or 6th grade. And I run early on years since birthday is Oct) or over half a year past 11 in the summer, *didn't know sex existed* yet, our female dog Sairy had her first period and Sairy was sent away to be Spade [apparently over the weekend], I would hit menarche hours after the APSA before we brought Sairy home and in time to sympathize with her terrible pain, and I was naked and about to dress in [my brother's and my shared bedroom -- he was with Mom dropping Sairy off]. Rex was triggered into heat by Sairy, she was sent off while too young to react to him, and I was gonna start my period the next time I woke, and I was standing there naked and small at earliest pubescents, and could not deliver myself. Also, I didn't have sexual yearning, yet; and I thought babies were made by kissing *through 12 years old*. My parents *really* didn't want to properly give me the talk.

3. You can't call it "rape", even if something like this could happen, because only humans can rape, and the dog would have only been acting on instinct and not malicious intent!

Forcible penetration by severely mentally handicapped individual isn't rape, then? Or how about someone intoxicated with drugs or alcohol, or meds, who cannot recall or discern properly? I was still forced down, and suffered enduring trauma and a double knee injury that took some 15+ years to heal. Intent doesn't change outcome. "Hitler thought he was saving his people and the world by killing the Jews".

4. "I fapped to this!" or "lol" or "Still a better love story than Twilight!"

I need prayer -- the APSA unbeliever is more tolerable -- , they need prayer....
Oh, and the pictures these @######$ use as their thumb nails or send me! I feel sick and sword loving! Is that what the expression "My tears turned to blood" means, because I cried and then I wanted to smite them, or is it a Salvation reference!? I am glad our Father in Heaven helps me have the strength for this sick and twisted generation.


Speaking of, they legalized child-attracted persons and permanent forced genital and hormonal mutilation; is beastiality to now legal, too, because I heard the sickos were fighting for it!? This is BABYLON THE *GREAT *****!!!*, and she sells out her armies to all nations for their luxurious goods!




Also, other animals *known to rape humans*:

1. Monkeys (various)
2. Gorilla
3. Orangutans
4. Bonobo Chimps
5. Chimps
6. Sea turtles
7. Fresh Water Dolphins
8. Salt Water Dolphins
9. Pet Bird varieties
10. Large Flock or single-gender-prevalent Bird species (very uneven ratio types)
11. Horses
12. Pigs
13. Cattle
14. Sheep
15. Goats
16. Swans
17. Rabbits
18. House Cats
19. Hamsters

These I have actually found and even witnessed on YouTube videos under "humor", and suggestions of *MUCH* bigger animals by Zoo Keepers. However, while there are hints and alluding to it, so far, I have no proof for predatory animals beyond house cats. Don't know about Rats, yet.


I want to be an advocate for the *actually unspoken* and mocked victims out there. I am 100% serious, and I have to live with this violence when I haven't gotten to so much as sit across from a table with a possible future husband and eat a meal, have a conversation, kiss, et cetera (and more, or and others, or with continuity of listing).




As back on topic:

I don't masturbate to be rebellious, perverted, sexually immoral. And to condemn it under either "porneia" or "sexual immortality", we have to find proof that our Father-God, YAH, condemns *masturbationunto itself* under these terms, and I, as well as countless theologins and scholars and Believers, have not been able to in over 2000 years. Moreover, I find 2 scriptures indicating that simple orgasm outside of marriage is not a sin. That is undeniably a comfort about the "uncontrollable Wet Dreams" I used to *beg forgiveness* for, as they were violent and disturbing everytime.

I have admitted, if there is another underlying sin, masturbation is thereby a sin.

It would seem that the vast number of circumstances of masturbation are a sin by this principle, alone!

However, while rare, or at least infrequent, I have been able to masturbate with a completely clear conscience, before, during, and after, and even having asked if I could before, as I had done well on my chores and had the time for rest.



The thing that baffle me, and I really want commentary on this, the most about sex:

It is one of the biggest things removed when all is made new, and does not exist in heaven.

Tears
Death
Pain
Sex
Marriage
The salty ocean...? So, does it exist as a symbolic Sea of Tears conveying the pains of this world???

Marriage is good, and sex therein, but they are a *comfort*, as "David comforted his wife, and she conceived".

Tears even when happy, are a contrast to pain! ""This experience, in light of how terrible this world often is and how unworthy, unloved, and underappreciated it makes us all feel, *makes me happy."" Symbolic quote, not a real one.

So, sex and marriage.are mentioned to be a mortal comfort. I say it the way I do, because I cannot call it worldly, or that would imply sin in all who do it, even in marriage, and even more the Holy and righteous Servants of YAH who are human. Sex *itself* is not a sin, and neither is marriage.

BUT, there are stipulations given (is that the right word???)!:

1. Marriage is between a man and a woman. (No animals, same-gender, children, idols, angel, robots, et cetera), even in your mind.

2. One, committment partner, if partnered, at all. (No porn, that is a form of prostitution that ought not to exist, and therefore should not be viewed, not any other selling of yourself or others!). However, in the case of full-on slavery, concubines occurred *when the wife demanded it* as for her infertility, and in the cases of your brother dying, you took on a second wife, and a few other scenarios, all tragic, I think.

3. Please them, too, not yourself only; and learn them! This includes not raping, abusing, neglecting, harming, hurting, or even making your spouse.do things they don't want to! However, "you are no longer twain, but one flesh, and the wife's body is the husband's and the husband's body is the wife's". So, you are required *to* have sex, and not deny them.





So, what baffles me:
Children, Angels, and our Savior all
1. Eat
2. Love
3. Family
4. Live

But, being the way out there thing:
Sex and Marriage

Marriage will only continue as a heart, mind, soul, and oneness after the New Heaven and New Earth.

Sex, maybe, represents the greater, but divine intimacy of the sharing and continuity of this???? But, as clearly mentioned by our Lord and Savior Yahoshua, the mortal acts of sex and marriage is for human beings and animals while time endures, and will not coninue afterward, and must even now be done in righteousness.



Sex and mortal marriage are *NOT* something Yahoshua would do, regardless, but it is *NOT* a sin for His Followers to do so. "What would Jesus/Yahoshua do?" in the strictest and most direct sense of interpretation eliminates both of these, and that is blasphemy! So, we must 1) consider divine parallels, 2) consider the value of the temporary our God-Father made for the "now", and 3) seek to understand the scriptures in context and not fanaticism -- -- for, "a studier of The Law, and not a doer also, is not fulfilling the whole Law."

So, being too "symbolic" is wrong, cherry picking is wrong Old or New Testament, and being too literal is wrong.

Sex was made for man, and YAH is not man; but we are made in His image.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Yep. I am seeing a sex therapist for the "Animal Perpetrated Sexual Assault (APSA)" and the familial molestations.

People try to convince me of things to comfort themselves that this isn't real:
1. That's *physically* impossible!

There's others out there! I can make a list, and Social Services and the Police have reports, as well as medical professionals the world over, and that is *only* from the one's that confess the reality and don't try to turn the assailant into a human during retelling. Maybe that's another reason many males and females don't report their rapes.

2--3. I had to have done something to provoke it! Or, you were willing!

I was 3 or 4 months away from turning 11 (more likely for a bunch of reasons, but I think it was between 5th and 6th grade, as it gave me a double knee injury that I sported in 5th or 6th grade. And I run early on years since birthday is Oct) or over half a year past 11 in the summer, *didn't know sex existed* yet, our female dog Sairy had her first period and Sairy was sent away to be Spade [apparently over the weekend], I would hit menarche hours after the APSA before we brought Sairy home and in time to sympathize with her terrible pain, and I was naked and about to dress in [my brother's and my shared bedroom -- he was with Mom dropping Sairy off]. Rex was triggered into heat by Sairy, she was sent off while too young to react to him, and I was gonna start my period the next time I woke, and I was standing there naked and small at earliest pubescents, and could not deliver myself. Also, I didn't have sexual yearning, yet; and I thought babies were made by kissing *through 12 years old*. My parents *really* didn't want to properly give me the talk.

3. You can't call it "rape", even if something like this could happen, because only humans can rape, and the dog would have only been acting on instinct and not malicious intent!

Forcible penetration by severely mentally handicapped individual isn't rape, then? Or how about someone intoxicated with drugs or alcohol, or meds, who cannot recall or discern properly? I was still forced down, and suffered enduring trauma and a double knee injury that took some 15+ years to heal. Intent doesn't change outcome. "Hitler thought he was saving his people and the world by killing the Jews".

4. "I fapped to this!" or "lol" or "Still a better love story than Twilight!"

I need prayer -- the APSA unbeliever is more tolerable -- , they need prayer....
Oh, and the pictures these @######$ use as their thumb nails or send me! I feel sick and sword loving! Is that what the expression "My tears turned to blood" means, because I cried and then I wanted to smite them, or is it a Salvation reference!? I am glad our Father in Heaven helps me have the strength for this sick and twisted generation.


Speaking of, they legalized child-attracted persons and permanent forced genital and hormonal mutilation; is beastiality to now legal, too, because I heard the sickos were fighting for it!? This is BABYLON THE *GREAT *****!!!*, and she sells out her armies to all nations for their luxurious goods!




Also, other animals *known to rape humans*:

1. Monkeys (various)
2. Gorilla
3. Orangutans
4. Bonobo Chimps
5. Chimps
6. Sea turtles
7. Fresh Water Dolphins
8. Salt Water Dolphins
9. Pet Bird varieties
10. Large Flock or single-gender-prevalent Bird species (very uneven ratio types)
11. Horses
12. Pigs
13. Cattle
14. Sheep
15. Goats
16. Swans
17. Rabbits
18. House Cats
19. Hamsters

These I have actually found and even witnessed on YouTube videos under "humor", and suggestions of *MUCH* bigger animals by Zoo Keepers. However, while there are hints and alluding to it, so far, I have no proof for predatory animals beyond house cats. Don't know about Rats, yet.


I want to be an advocate for the *actually unspoken* and mocked victims out there. I am 100% serious, and I have to live with this violence when I haven't gotten to so much as sit across from a table with a possible future husband and eat a meal, have a conversation, kiss, et cetera (and more, or and others, or with continuity of listing).




As back on topic:

I don't masturbate to be rebellious, perverted, sexually immoral. And to condemn it under either "porneia" or "sexual immortality", we have to find proof that our Father-God, YAH, condemns *masturbationunto itself* under these terms, and I, as well as countless theologins and scholars and Believers, have not been able to in over 2000 years. Moreover, I find 2 scriptures indicating that simple orgasm outside of marriage is not a sin. That is undeniably a comfort about the "uncontrollable Wet Dreams" I used to *beg forgiveness* for, as they were violent and disturbing everytime.

I have admitted, if there is another underlying sin, masturbation is thereby a sin.

It would seem that the vast number of circumstances of masturbation are a sin by this principle, alone!

However, while rare, or at least infrequent, I have been able to masturbate with a completely clear conscience, before, during, and after, and even having asked if I could before, as I had done well on my chores and had the time for rest.



The thing that baffle me, and I really want commentary on this, the most about sex:

It is one of the biggest things removed when all is made new, and does not exist in heaven.

Tears
Death
Pain
Sex
Marriage
The salty ocean...? So, does it exist as a symbolic Sea of Tears conveying the pains of this world???

Marriage is good, and sex therein, but they are a *comfort*, as "David comforted his wife, and she conceived".

Tears even when happy, are a contrast to pain! ""This experience, in light of how terrible this world often is and how unworthy, unloved, and underappreciated it makes us all feel, *makes me happy."" Symbolic quote, not a real one.

So, sex and marriage.are mentioned to be a mortal comfort. I say it the way I do, because I cannot call it worldly, or that would imply sin in all who do it, even in marriage, and even more the Holy and righteous Servants of YAH who are human. Sex *itself* is not a sin, and neither is marriage.

BUT, there are stipulations given (is that the right word???)!:

1. Marriage is between a man and a woman. (No animals, same-gender, children, idols, angel, robots, et cetera), even in your mind.

2. One, committment partner, if partnered, at all. (No porn, that is a form of prostitution that ought not to exist, and therefore should not be viewed, not any other selling of yourself or others!). However, in the case of full-on slavery, concubines occurred *when the wife demanded it* as for her infertility, and in the cases of your brother dying, you took on a second wife, and a few other scenarios, all tragic, I think.

3. Please them, too, not yourself only; and learn them! This includes not raping, abusing, neglecting, harming, hurting, or even making your spouse.do things they don't want to! However, "you are no longer twain, but one flesh, and the wife's body is the husband's and the husband's body is the wife's". So, you are required *to* have sex, and not deny them.





So, what baffles me:
Children, Angels, and our Savior all
1. Eat
2. Love
3. Family
4. Live

But, being the way out there thing:
Sex and Marriage

Marriage will only continue as a heart, mind, soul, and oneness after the New Heaven and New Earth.

Sex, maybe, represents the greater, but divine intimacy of the sharing and continuity of this???? But, as clearly mentioned by our Lord and Savior Yahoshua, the mortal acts of sex and marriage is for human beings and animals while time endures, and will not coninue afterward, and must even now be done in righteousness.



Sex and mortal marriage are *NOT* something Yahoshua would do, regardless, but it is *NOT* a sin for His Followers to do so. "What would Jesus/Yahoshua do?" in the strictest and most direct sense of interpretation eliminates both of these, and that is blasphemy! So, we must 1) consider divine parallels, 2) consider the value of the temporary our God-Father made for the "now", and 3) seek to understand the scriptures in context and not fanaticism -- -- for, "a studier of The Law, and not a doer also, is not fulfilling the whole Law."

So, being too "symbolic" is wrong, cherry picking is wrong Old or New Testament, and being too literal is wrong.

Sex was made for man, and YAH is not man; but we are made in His image.

Keeping you in prayer. You said a lot there. Much for the mind to hold.
You are indeed lifted up in prayer.

 

[Yennee]

I am long-winded. I am best taken in many multiple readings, as I try to say everything all at once. By this point, I am mostly repeating myself, so I can *try* to only mention new things.

To me, sex is an anomaly unto itself, as it is not part of the divine hereafter, but it is not of itself a sin, but even a commandment for more than reproduction. Therefore, what then *is* masturbation?

By my current understanding : sex is a comfort and rest, and not a sin, but to be enjoyed in righteousness in the herenow.

Also by my current understanding : masturbation is a comfort and rest in the herenow for those not fortunate enough to be wed or perhaps a very long time away from spouse (ex: years), but must also be done in righteousness.

However, as for the already married, it is warned that you should not be apart for so long as to leave your spouse to have need without comfort and rest, lest they fall into temptation such as adultery or idolatry; but that the separation be only for a time.

Sadly, governments are not as reasonable as our Lord on that length of time -- I think an actual indication of time is given concerning war, and that a war long enough to enjoy seasons of fruit is to be used eating from the trees and not destroying the bounty of the land. Old Testament , discussing how to war.

 

[Yennee]

Keeping you in prayer. You said a lot there. Much for the mind to hold.
You are indeed lifted up in prayer.

~hugs~

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

~hugs~