Masturbation _ My Experiences, Scripture, and Concerns

[Yennee]

It would be best to address those scripture that actually does condemn masturbation as it is known today as a work of the flesh known as uncleanness Biblically. Look at the consequence.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Uncleanness as located in between the sex sins of fornication and lasciviousness which lasciviousness is sexual excessiveness, masturbation cannot escape just because uncleanness is called by a different name today.

Actually, the Ancient Greeks had a word for masturbation, and it was not "uncleanness."

Does "sexual immorality" (porneia) include masturbation?

As this individual also mentioned, masturbation is not in the Bible, though abortion, incest, beastiality, and many more explicit details are. Further, they too also mentioned that porn and other sins *often* accompany masturbation, and *those are* sinful. However, as others mention, these do not always occur with masturbation, and even according to doctors, masturbation should be achievable without any porn or sexual imagery, otherwise it is diagnosed as Porn Addiction.


)))There's a Save button! I lose these so often clicking to other pages, it takes hours to reply!(((

Further mention, of the mention of potentially or likely implied masturbation in the Bible, it does not require a sacrifice for repentance:

Leviticus 15:16-18 KJV - "And if any man's seed of copulation go out from hi..."

Read Leviticus 15:16-18 KJV in the King James Bible Online: "And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even"

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The previous verses clearly discuss an unnatural emision of fluid as requiring 2 turtle doves, and distinguishes that all forms of sex, with or without a woman, make one unclean only until the evening. So, unless it is a sin to have sex with your spouse, of which you must repent each time, it is held equally so far as this verse, and the other in Deuteronomy discuss. I have already mentioned this.

Now, if you want to interpret it as 2 turtle doves being required for absolutely all forms of sex *and "unnatural emission"*, then you'll need to be repenting every time you lay with your wife. If we also include our Savior's lesson on lusting upon a woman in your own heart as absolute, and not a discussion specifically about adultry as He clearly stated, rather than being about all forms of sexual desire as some have already mentioned (saying it applies to fornication, as well), then you would need to repent for desiring your own spouse, as well. But YAH is not unreasonable.

A curse be upon those who add to or subtract from the Bible.

Now, I will look into Akatharsia, the word used for uncleanness (away studying, and living, until I am ready to reply to the remainder of this post.


Strong's g167
- Lexical: ἀκαθαρσία
- Transliteration: akatharsia
- Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
- Phonetic Spelling: ak-ath-ar-see'-ah
- Definition: uncleanness, impurity.
- Origin: From akathartos; impurity (the quality), physically or morally.
- Usage: uncleanness.
- Translated as (count): impurity (8), of impurity (1), to impurity (1).

Those who defile the temple of God with the works of the flesh and remain unrepented when the Bridegroom arrives, shall be left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to await for their resurrection afterthe great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19 - King James Version

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

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As I said, a nurse is upon those who add to or subtract from YAH'S Holy Law, and wherein masturbation, emission in the night, or sex with one's spouse is mentioned, they are "unclean until the evening", and no sacrifice of repentance is required.

Now, again, I go to research the meaning of Akarthasia; but it is late, and I work tomorrow an onward. I will get back to you when I am ready.

You must prove it is a sin, and not assume it to be. I have felt clear, undeniable spiritual correction over the very desire to masturbate after being molested (I wanted the tormenting, burning arousal to go away), over porn, over making lewd art, over accidentally witnessing my parents in the act of sex when I went to the bathroom to pee in the night (though I understood not what I saw at so young, and they should have shut the door), and when desorong to purchase things or desiring things, or even fantasizing of things inappropriate. Yet, I have been able to masturbate in clear conscience, praising and thanking YAH, after asking Him if I could, and even with a respectable vibrator!

I am not deaf to the Holy Spirit!

If this is a sin, then I will come to accept that and work through it with YAH, through Jesus/Yahoshua Christ/Messiah. But you assume it is Akatharsia to masturbate, when the Greeks had an entirely separate word for it:

"The actual Greek word for masturbation was anaphlan, which does not appear in the Bible."

I am seeking Truth, and I am dogged. If I am wrong now, I will overcome by Yahoshua. If I am right, numbers of Believers that I cannot fathom, nor count, shall need to repent for adding to the gospel.

YAH is not squeamish. His word is blunt, clear, and irrefutable. Why would our God change or back down, or hide this concept, rather than speak with understanding and authority?

It is harder to discuss rape, incest, homosexuality, whoredoms, prostitution, abortion, adultery, and other things, especially sexual ones, yet ABBA and Yahoshua are clear, unwavering, and concise. Why be timid over this one topic? And why do the 2 most direct mentions of it in Leviticus and Deuteronomy only describe it as needing to wash and being unclean until evening.

As I said, if sex with one's spouse, a wet dream, and masturbation are all lumped together, as they are here, and if uncleanness is a sin, then all of thee require repentance! And if so, then, are all Believers required to be virgins? No! Paul discussed that! Yet, many who shall enter into the Kingdom have been married and done the "uncleanness" that is copulation.

Explain how anyone can be Saved if even marital sex and uncontrollable wet dreams are a sin alongside masturbation, as mentioned in scripture in 2 locations, clearly stated, in the Old Testament as "unclean"? What a terror! The married return again and again to their spouses to apparently sin with them in the marriage bed! Oh, if they should die before the evening!

Yes, I am being sarcastic, but can you tell me that neither of these scriptures mentions masturbation? Or that it appears to be counted right alongside, and equal to wet dreams and sex with one's spouse?


Strong's h2930
- Lexical: טָמֵא
- Transliteration: tame
- Part of Speech: Verb
- Phonetic Spelling: taw-may'
- Definition: to be or become unclean.
- Origin: A primitive root; to be foul, especially in a ceremial or moral sense (contaminated).
- Usage: defile (self), pollute (self), be (make, make self, pronounce) unclean, X utterly.
- Translated as (count): shall be unclean (22), and be unclean (18), and shall be unclean (4), defiled (4), has defiled herself (4), then shall pronounce him unclean (4), and they defiled (3), becomes unclean (3), he shall be unclean (3), and defiled (2), and shall pronounce him unclean (2), defile (2), defile yourselves (2), defiles (2), do defile yourselves (2), he had defiled (2), is defiled (2), is unclean (2), then she shall be unclean (2), they have defiled (2), to defile yourself (2), a man may be defiled (1), and defiled it (1), and defiles herself (1), And he defiled (1), and he defiles (1), and he shall be unclean (1), And I pronounced unclean (1), and is unclean (1), and it shall be unclean (1), and pronounce him to be unclean (1), and pronounce unclean (1), and you defiled (1), And You will defile (1), are defiled (1), as unclean (1), be profaned (1), defile himself (1), defiling yourselves (1), do defile (1), For is defiled (1), had been defiled (1), have defiled yourself (1), he has defiled (1), he may defile himself (1), he shall defile himself (1), He shall make himself unclean (1), I am polluted (1), I have defiled (1), it is defiled (1), it shall be unclean (1), may be made unclean (1), may they defile themselves (1), shall be defiled (1), shall defile (1), shall defile himself (1), shall pronounce him unclean (1), shall you defile (1), shall you make yourselves unclean (1), she defiled herself (1), she has been defiled (1), she has defiled herself (1), she shall be unclean (1), she was defiled (1), so she was defiled (1), surely (1), therefore shall pronounce him unclean (1), they had defiled it (1), they may defile (1), they shall defile (1), they shall defile themselves (1), thus is defiled (1), Thus they were defiled (1), to be defiled (1), to defile herself (1), to defile himself (1), to defile it (1), to pollute it (1), to pronounce it unclean (1), was defiled (1), when they defile (1), when you defile it (1), will it be unclean (1), would be made unclean (1), would become unclean (1), you defile (1), you do defile (1), you do defile yourselves (1), you have become defiled (1), you have defiled (1), you have defiled yourself (1), you shall become unclean (1), you were defiled (1).

Akatharsia Meaning - Greek Lexicon | New Testament (NAS)

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Definition

uncleanness
physical
in a moral sense: the impurity of lustful, luxurious, profligate living
of impure motives

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Meanings of the New Testament words "Pornea" & "Akatharsia"

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These verses *do* mention masturbation:

Leviticus 15:16 Includes Masturbation

Many commentators over the centuries have tried to say Leviticus 15:16 is only describing a man having a nocturnal emission and not masturbation. But there is a glaring problem with this interpreta…

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FOR THOSE WHO SAY THAT MASTURBATION IS A SIN…

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Private Masturbation Is Not A Sin

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Interesting new take on they *don't* mention masturbation (very thorough):

Is Masturbation a Sin?

Even by this perspective, sex within marriage is still clearly "unclean until the even". Yet, it is not a sin. If it were the Lord's command to "be fruitful *AND* multiply" would be ABBA commanding us to sin. So, there is a distinction, clearly, between what is not cleanly, and what is spiritually or morally "unclean", which seems to be causing confusion. I believe this man said it best, so far.



Bless you, all. I mean it. This is good to discuss, even if it is frustrating.

Have a good night. I must rest. YAH be with you all. In the name of Yahoshua, amen/selah.

 

[Yennee]

Private Masturbation Is Not A Sin

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Here's one stating it means masturbation, by assumption that the only sexual act performance alone *is* masturbation. However, as the others mentioned, Akarthasia includes thoughts, intentions, and desires, or fantasies. So, one can, alone, picture murdering their fellow man, or committing adultry. The sin is in the heart, and defined thereby. Pornography viewing can also be done alone. The goal is then to define if the act being performed alone is sinful and impure, especially sexually. This would then either require further support or definition to infer masturbation is included on a list of impurities.





Further, I've not mentioned this, but, are not all sins listed in the New Testament also in the Old Testament? If masturbation were a sin, as with the repeating of all the sins of the Old Testament in the New, but with greater clarity and simplicity, why then is there no direct mention of masturbation, itself, as impure or sinful?


As I've stated, quite a few times: If a sin inspires or accompanies the act, then it is irrefutably sinful. However, the act of sex itself, or eating, or gains of goods and even wealth, or the drinking of wine, or eating of cake are not alone sinful, but the matters of the heart for reasons of why.


Porn, incest, fornication, adultery, rape, and beastiality (I used to watch it and desire it before recieving Yahoshua -- I know the burning of shame imparted, and the awareness of its sinfulness -- and I have been healed) are all sins.


I will continue reading and researching, but, to note, it is written:

Do Not Cause Your Brother to Stumble

(Ezekiel 14:1-11; 1 Corinthians 8:1-13)



13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Romans 14:14 I am convinced and fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.

Good night.

 

[Andyindauk]

Are you calling me a ***** as Delilah?

I am literally a virgin apart from 1 rape (by our actual dog, at 10 or 11!), I have been wholly chaste. I have not dated, kissed, held hands, or even sat across a table to eat with a possible romantic partner or gone to the movies. Fact. I am scared and panic over the very idea of actually having any degree of romantic interactions with a man, as it is foreign to my very existence and negligent, violent, abusive upbringing.

I struggle to even have close friends. I have my Brother, and my passerby and online brothers and sisters in Christ, with some friendly folk along the way. I would do no such things as you have said, neither allow them; that is not right, neither what YAH wants for me!


I'll needs be praying for you; you're clearly ill.

Yennee darling, this is not good. You were created to be a gregarious, caring, fun loving and Spirit filled girl, so two out of four is not good. You're missing out on so much and all because of the wounds and scars caused by those Godless family members who ought to have nurtured and protected you but instead they abused and hurt you. That's not how God wants you to be, He loves you dearly and wants you happy and full of joy. Girl you need healing and quick so that you can enjoy interactions, fun and laughter with your peers, colleagues and brothers and sisters in Christ. And if God has a Mr. Right for you He wants you to meet him and fall in love together, though as the Apostle Paul says, better if you don't

By nature I'm quite quiet and shy. In a previous career role I was a sales rep and I used to describe myself as a 'shy sales rep.' I remember I had to go to two or three conferences a year which I used to hate. In these conferences you have to get round as many delegates who in the main were loud mouthed beer swilling blaggers, who you've never met and strike up a conversation, pretend to be their best mate, elicit a calling card, hoping to make a good enough impression that they'd hopefully remember who were the next day, post hangover, when you did a follow up call. I hated those events but you have to hold your nose and jump out of your comfort zone and into the deep end.

BTW I'm not suggesting a career move, rather when someone reaches out to you, try hard to overcome your instinct and instead of blanking them or shrinking away, welcome them and join in the conversation. How do you get on at church? Do you sneak in last minute and dash for the exit in the final hymn? Try to tarry awhile and hopefully somebody will reach out to you with a welcoming few words. You'll struggle at first and maybe mess up but please please persevere. If you feel that you'd rather have root canal treatment than speak with someone you barely know, how about starting online? Try Christian Friends groups If it's still torture, then as I've said in a previous post, maybe you need some therapy and definitely more prayer. Will be praying for you over the coming weeks sweet sis. If you want to chat more just IM me, would love to hear from you.

God bless you xxx

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

Sorry this took all day.

So, it would seem to me that I am being told that I should ignore all of this, when I am told masturbation is a sin, in absolution, and without variance.

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I found one against pedophilia in the Bible!

Judah had 3 sons: 1 wicked, struck dead by ABBA. 2 refused to to raise up seed unto his brother, but took his wife to wife, lay with her, but pulled out to ejaculate upon the ground. 3 WAS TOO YOUNG to marry, so the woman returned to her father's house until he was old enough. When SHE SAW that he was old enough, and she was not summoned to be his wife... she got herself pregnant by Judah.

There was a clear understanding of age and development that was apparent for adulthood in both males and females!! Historically, menarche (1st menstruation) and wet dreams (1st ejaculation). Also, (I'd have to find it again....) menarche used to be, for thousands of years, from 16 to 19, averaging 18. Then, the Industrial Revolution happened, and it began to drop.

Further:

does sexual assault affect menarche - Google Search

YES IT DOES!!

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Romans14:14:"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean".

 

[Yennee]

Yennee darling, this is not good. You were created to be a gregarious, caring, fun loving and Spirit filled girl, so two out of four is not good. You're missing out on so much and all because of the wounds and scars caused by those Godless family members who ought to have nurtured and protected you but instead they abused and hurt you. That's not how God wants you to be, He loves you dearly and wants you happy and full of joy. Girl you need healing and quick so that you can enjoy interactions, fun and laughter with your peers, colleagues and brothers and sisters in Christ. And if God has a Mr. Right for you He wants you to meet him and fall in love together, though as the Apostle Paul says, better if you don't

By nature I'm quite quiet and shy. In a previous career role I was a sales rep and I used to describe myself as a 'shy sales rep.' I remember I had to go to two or three conferences a year which I used to hate. In these conferences you have to get round as many delegates who in the main were loud mouthed beer swilling blaggers, who you've never met and strike up a conversation, pretend to be their best mate, elicit a calling card, hoping to make a good enough impression that they'd hopefully remember who were the next day, post hangover, when you did a follow up call. I hated those events but you have to hold your nose and jump out of your comfort zone and into the deep end.

BTW I'm not suggesting a career move, rather when someone reaches out to you, try hard to overcome your instinct and instead of blanking them or shrinking away, welcome them and join in the conversation. How do you get on at church? Do you sneak in last minute and dash for the exit in the final hymn? Try to tarry awhile and hopefully somebody will reach out to you with a welcoming few words. You'll struggle at first and maybe mess up but please please persevere. If you feel that you'd rather have root canal treatment than speak with someone you barely know, how about starting online? Try Christian Friends groups If it's still torture, then as I've said in a previous post, maybe you need some therapy and definitely more prayer. Will be praying for you over the coming weeks sweet sis. If you want to chat more just IM me, would love to hear from you.

God bless you xxx

When I did attend a physical church, I was eager to learn, raise my hand, posit questions, share verses, and try to sing. But, in looking for a physical church up here:
I have found churches with 1. Satanic symbols on /everything/, 2. folks who listen to hypnotic, repetitive "hymns" that never mention Christ, and the congregation sways and moves in expected embellishment of patterns and hand raising, 3. declarations that you aren't Saved unless you speak in tongues (there is a clear scripture by Paul saying this is false, and each have their own Gifts of the Holy Spirit!), 4. places that worship the "Apostle" as the only one with authority, uncorrectable, and the "divinely chosen leader" over an individual's life as the only means to Church, which sounds terribly much like Christ the way they say it, 5. and that considers suicide a sinless out and one-way ticket to paradise, when it is written, "he who endures to the end shall be Saved".

There are believers up here, and they are scattered, it would seem, in cult-like congregations that set off spiritual warnings, blaspheme, and make my cry out in my soul to reject their perversions and flee!

We gave up looking for a physical building, and seek fellowship in the body of Christ through online community, and we have found it in abundance. But, up here, there is a profound grip of the adult in seemingly everyone and every place. Christian's using candles to expel demons and cleans homes, a feel-good religion with no meat at all, and endless joy, and love of possessions and *requirement* to donate more than pay your own rent, as well as an empty well of lovelessness wherein seemingly *no one visits the afflicted, poor, widow, orphan, neither gives to one in sudden need, and brags about raising funds and "arrayed charities"*.

I came out of a cult, and referring to winged serpants eating their tail as being the Holy Spirit is blasphemy! Showing up to spend the entire, literally all the time there, singing hymns and waving hands until exhaustion is not study of the gospel! When the pasture has similar vibes and expressions to my incestuous, murderous, pedophile, money-loving mother, and I my Brother is telling me "we need to get out of here, this doesn't feel right", and I cannot bear the idea of shaking hands with this man that is so menacingly creepy, something is wrong! When the wealth of the church leader comes before the wellbeingof the congregation, and they *believe* that there are candy mountains in heaven, the real Santa Clause, and everyone gets to be the star in their own movies, and angles ride roller coasters, something is WRONG!!!

We simply haven't tried again, and everytime I get the yearning to, we see nasty, disgusting, satanic, and blasphemous things like this.


This online community and others in the Body of Christ, are my congregation, and I feel spiritually refreshed and drawn nearer and clearer to YAH because of these YouTube and forum sanctuaries.


But these "churches" make me wary; and they should.






I gotta get to work, but before I go, I want to mention, that in the Old Testament there is a distinction given between 2 types of uncleanness, which can be understood, perhaps better, as sanitary and morally impure. The first includes excrement and sex with the spouse, as well as things in Kosher diet. These make sense, because they are messy, liable to cause sickness or unintentional pregnancy (say a daughter sitting on the parents' bed that had semon on it), or food poisoning ing, especially before the invention of thermometers or better understanding of how to ensure pork is fully cooked, and possibly allergies.

The high priest was allowed in the temple without having to fast to ensure he did not poop, at all; yet the "dirt" cast out into the draught was "unclean". However, he was not to have sex with his wife; and even that was not counted a sin, but required focus on YAH for a duration of abstinence.

So, hopefully, this will help clear up the earlier mention of the New Testament word Akarthasia, meaning morally impure -- and founded upon those things we already know to be a sin, as well as what we are guided in the Holy Spirit to perceive to be a sin -- as compared with the concept of sanitation applied to sexual emissions that are not done in sin, and other emissions, whether poop, or blood of animal or ooze of human wounds.

 

[Yennee]

Romans14:14:"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean".

Oh, wow, the sensor "***" medical terminology, but not words referring to bowel habbits? I am sorry. Some of those are pee pipe, and excrement pipe, and baby pipe.


Honestly, the best arguments I have heard against it are:

The possibility it is the difference in "uncleanness" that is Akarthasia, morally impure, as opposed to unsanitary.

idolatray by declaration the pursuit of self pleasure is all evil -- but what about cake and wine, which are good??? Is it then a sin to have a pleasurable meal, if not shared with someone else? And what is sex in marriage? Is God simply allowing us to enjoy the sin of pleasure under certain stipulations, or is it the acts of *how* we seek, and why we seek, and if it harms us or others in seeking sexual pleasure?




**I wanted to note, that I am still thrilled that, after all these years, I finally found a scripture inferring that *males* no less, can be too young to marry -- there is an age of eligibility for marriage and sex, thereby condemning pedophilia! __ traditionally, menarche and 1st ejaculation (by wet dream).

To note, do the people condemning masturbation also condemn wet dreams? Because, one individual destroyed the argument in an article on the internet, saying that Leviticus and Deuteronomy are *only* referring to sex withtthe spouse. So, are the uncontrollable, unavoidable wet dreams a sin, or the substitute for sexual release, as they only occur (so far as I know!) if neither masturbation nor intercourse occur for a long enough time. But, the dreams can be wicked.... And, moreover, there is the verse about the demons afflicting women, because they came forth from them, and the correlation of wet dreams with demonic assault, despite "being a natural thing everyone experiences".

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

Oh, wow, the sensor "***" medical terminology, but not words referring to bowel habbits? I am sorry. Some of those are pee pipe, and excrement pipe, and baby pipe.


Honestly, the best arguments I have heard against it are:

The possibility it is the difference in "uncleanness" that is Akarthasia, morally impure, as opposed to unsanitary.

idolatray by declaration the pursuit of self pleasure is all evil -- but what about cake and wine, which are good??? Is it then a sin to have a pleasurable meal, if not shared with someone else? And what is sex in marriage? Is God simply allowing us to enjoy the sin of pleasure under certain stipulations, or is it the acts of *how* we seek, and why we seek, and if it harms us or others in seeking sexual pleasure?




**I wanted to note, that I am still thrilled that, after all these years, I finally found a scripture inferring that *males* no less, can be too young to marry -- there is an age of eligibility for marriage and sex, thereby condemning pedophilia! __ traditionally, menarche and 1st ejaculation (by wet dream).

To note, do the people condemning masturbation also condemn wet dreams? Because, one individual destroyed the argument in an article on the internet, saying that Leviticus and Deuteronomy are *only* referring to sex withtthe spouse. So, are the uncontrollable, unavoidable wet dreams a sin, or the substitute for sexual release, as they only occur (so far as I know!) if neither masturbation nor intercourse occur for a long enough time. But, the dreams can be wicked.... And, moreover, there is the verse about the demons afflicting women, because they came forth from them, and the correlation of wet dreams with demonic assault, despite "being a natural thing everyone experiences".

It was God's will to not give moral knowledge to humans. You choose the forbidden knowledge of good and evil & destroy your soul. You can never justify yourself before God by complying with the moral law. Repent.

 

[PloughBoy]

The Surprising Truth About Modern Eunuchs

Everyone should be aware that a multitude of men are either chemically or surgically castrated for a variety of reasons in contemporary Western society.

bigthink.com

 

[Yennee]

It was God's will to not give moral knowledge to humans. You choose the forbidden knowledge of good and evil & destroy your soul. You can never justify yourself before God by complying with the moral law. Repent.

I am not seeking to justify myself with The Law; I began simply seeking an argument to condemn masturbation, praying for guidance and revelation on the matter, and I found that it is *not* condemned.

I render my sins to YAH in the name of His son YAHshua.

However, when I do not have shame, neither spiritual corrections or sinful dread sense, but you all say that I am sinning; all I ask is that you support your argument.

I am not seeking to eliminate the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus/YAHshua. I am seeking to understand why I am told by man that masturbation is a sin, when YAH/God does not, by apparently all accounts. It would appear that the doctrine of masturbation being a sin is simply that, doctrine of men, and not of God/YAH.

If we are going to discuss spiritual inclinations about it rather than scripture -- or the lack thereof -- , how about we share experiences.


I have done some that, already. Here's some recap and additions:

My Brother molested me in my sleep, and I woke up burning terribly with arousal so much so that it hurt and I ached. I went to the bathroom to relieve my suffering through masturbation, but I felt in the Spirit that it was wrong to do so; so, I prayed for strength and slowly, it ebbed away.

I have prayed to ABBA to help me *not* to masturbate, or not to masturbate a certain way, and when faced with doing so, I felt shame upon giving in -- because I asked for help *not to*. On occasions, I accepted masturbation as normal, and did not *specifically ask* for ABBA to help me *not to*, I did not feel the potent, burning shame.

When I purchased a single dildo -- instead of an expensive dilator set -- , figuring it was an equivalent substitute and that simply picking a "reasonable size" would be good enough, I felt something wrong in the Spirit. What showed up was bigger than I purchased, as it had been the time before, and I knew it would be (as I did not trust them from last time), and I was right. It turned out to be too big, and hurtful, as last time. Dilation Therapy is designed to relieve pain by relaxing muscles, and improve control over bowel functions. However, this was not as potent as other times, even recently, when I received a potent warning. It was harmful, and it was falsely advertised. And I was warned in expectation of what I knew would happen.

When I used to, or in recent years, consider or act to look upon pornography, I feel the shame, and know that it is a sin. I perceive a warning in the Spirit, and a sort of tug away from the act of sin, a tension that increases with pursuit.

I get corrected in these various ways and percieve further inclinations against purchasing things I ought not to, or when we don't or (unbeknown to me) won't have the money (say a sudden, unexpected bill, or my Brother whom I share funds with needed to pay bills or made purchases I was unaware of -- usually the former). So, it may be food, and there is nothing wrong with that food, or maybe there is, but I am unaware of the ingredient, and I percieve / "feel something is wrong".

I have perception of the Holy Spirit, and I am made aware of things by the Spirit; and I even have the blessing of "knowing" things I otherwise could not know on my own.

So, it is not that I am dull to the Holy Ghost, or imperceptive. There are times I receive correction concerning masturbation, *because of my thoughts*, or because my Brother is about to intrude (which I could not have known!), or another issue, but this is *not* every time. I have, *honestly*, been able to madturbate inappropriate clear conscience, praising and thanking YAH while thinking about the *hope for a future husband* and imagining that what I felt was imparted thereby. I even asked ABBA, before doing so, if I could, since I had made so much progress on my chores. Refute this.

I have had this, to varying degrees, more than once. How can I, over years, experience clear occasions of correction and occasions of clear conscience over the same act? External circumstances, such as interferences or duties I must attend to, and internal matters, such as *why* I am masturbating or *what* I am contemplating are the matters the Lord YAH addresses with me. I discuss those with Him and work through them! I am one who has a tendency to chalk up "what's the matter" to whatever is prominent or that which I am fixated on, only to give it to God/YAH, and for Him to show me the *true* error of my ways.


In conclusion, if you percieve something is wrong, maybe it is masturbation, or maybe heart or mind are on the wrong track and you need correction and healing on something else you are ignoring to be self-condemning over masturbation.

If you believe masturbation is or that it is not a sin, focusing on it, *alone*, will ensure you fail to address with our Father the real problems at heart, and allow those to grow and fester further, worsening your condition. Render more than "masturbation" and the belief this is *all* to your sinful ways; render to our Father your heart on the matter, and the seed and its roots for cleansing, as it is surely more than you are condemning!

Trust our Father in Heaven to see what you cannot, and hear you out, even, and especially, when it is embarrassing, confusing, "keeps coming back", because He sees more, and He Knows better.


Bless you all. In the name of Yahoshua, selah.

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

I am not seeking to justify myself with The Law; I began simply seeking an argument to condemn masturbation, praying for guidance and revelation on the matter, and I found that it is *not* condemned.

I render my sins to YAH in the name of His son YAHshua.

However, when I do not have shame, neither spiritual corrections or sinful dread sense, but you all say that I am sinning; all I ask is that you support your argument.

I am not seeking to eliminate the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus/YAHshua. I am seeking to understand why I am told by man that masturbation is a sin, when YAH/God does not, by apparently all accounts. It would appear that the doctrine of masturbation being a sin is simply that, doctrine of men, and not of God/YAH.

If we are going to discuss spiritual inclinations about it rather than scripture -- or the lack thereof -- , how about we share experiences.


I have done some that, already. Here's some recap and additions:

My Brother molested me in my sleep, and I woke up burning terribly with arousal so much so that it hurt and I ached. I went to the bathroom to relieve my suffering through masturbation, but I felt in the Spirit that it was wrong to do so; so, I prayed for strength and slowly, it ebbed away.

I have prayed to ABBA to help me *not* to masturbate, or not to masturbate a certain way, and when faced with doing so, I felt shame upon giving in -- because I asked for help *not to*. On occasions, I accepted masturbation as normal, and did not *specifically ask* for ABBA to help me *not to*, I did not feel the potent, burning shame.

When I purchased a single dildo -- instead of an expensive dilator set -- , figuring it was an equivalent substitute and that simply picking a "reasonable size" would be good enough, I felt something wrong in the Spirit. What showed up was bigger than I purchased, as it had been the time before, and I knew it would be (as I did not trust them from last time), and I was right. It turned out to be too big, and hurtful, as last time. Dilation Therapy is designed to relieve pain by relaxing muscles, and improve control over bowel functions. However, this was not as potent as other times, even recently, when I received a potent warning. It was harmful, and it was falsely advertised. And I was warned in expectation of what I knew would happen.

When I used to, or in recent years, consider or act to look upon pornography, I feel the shame, and know that it is a sin. I perceive a warning in the Spirit, and a sort of tug away from the act of sin, a tension that increases with pursuit.

I get corrected in these various ways and percieve further inclinations against purchasing things I ought not to, or when we don't or (unbeknown to me) won't have the money (say a sudden, unexpected bill, or my Brother whom I share funds with needed to pay bills or made purchases I was unaware of -- usually the former). So, it may be food, and there is nothing wrong with that food, or maybe there is, but I am unaware of the ingredient, and I percieve / "feel something is wrong".

I have perception of the Holy Spirit, and I am made aware of things by the Spirit; and I even have the blessing of "knowing" things I otherwise could not know on my own.

So, it is not that I am dull to the Holy Ghost, or imperceptive. There are times I receive correction concerning masturbation, *because of my thoughts*, or because my Brother is about to intrude (which I could not have known!), or another issue, but this is *not* every time. I have, *honestly*, been able to madturbate inappropriate clear conscience, praising and thanking YAH while thinking about the *hope for a future husband* and imagining that what I felt was imparted thereby. I even asked ABBA, before doing so, if I could, since I had made so much progress on my chores. Refute this.

I have had this, to varying degrees, more than once. How can I, over years, experience clear occasions of correction and occasions of clear conscience over the same act? External circumstances, such as interferences or duties I must attend to, and internal matters, such as *why* I am masturbating or *what* I am contemplating are the matters the Lord YAH addresses with me. I discuss those with Him and work through them! I am one who has a tendency to chalk up "what's the matter" to whatever is prominent or that which I am fixated on, only to give it to God/YAH, and for Him to show me the *true* error of my ways.


In conclusion, if you percieve something is wrong, maybe it is masturbation, or maybe heart or mind are on the wrong track and you need correction and healing on something else you are ignoring to be self-condemning over masturbation.

If you believe masturbation is or that it is not a sin, focusing on it, *alone*, will ensure you fail to address with our Father the real problems at heart, and allow those to grow and fester further, worsening your condition. Render more than "masturbation" and the belief this is *all* to your sinful ways; render to our Father your heart on the matter, and the seed and its roots for cleansing, as it is surely more than you are condemning!

Trust our Father in Heaven to see what you cannot, and hear you out, even, and especially, when it is embarrassing, confusing, "keeps coming back", because He sees more, and He Knows better.


Bless you all. In the name of Yahoshua, selah.

Romans14:14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.

 

[TheLivingStone]

I'm only being honest here, if I wasn't to feel any shame after masturbating, which I don't anymore, I'd be very concerned.

Do you think you're maybe trying to justify it? I can't think of many fellow believers who think it's acceptable, I 100% feel convicted never to do it.

Maybe ask other members on here if they feel that conviction? If many of our brothers and sisters do then that's a sure sign you would think?

I'm sorry you went through so much, I can sympathize with you on childhood trauma and I know how difficult things are, it's a daily struggle but if we overcome and endure He will reward us and He's always with us.