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What does sexually immoral mean to you ??
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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Hello Yennee.
I've heard similar things by people who are or were Mormon. So you're not alone in that way.
My mother didn't molest me but she allowed or didn't do anything to stop others from molesting me like my stepbrother who raped me when I was six years old and he was a teenager. My stepfather as well as my own biological father molested my oldest sister. I saw that. My stepfather also molested his own biological daughter, and I saw that too.
My mother was aware of this and did nothing about it. She was then given a choice either to leave my stepfather or lose her children to foster care; that is, only the four of us by my biological father, not the children by my stepfather. There were four of us by my biological father and I was the youngest. My mother chose to stay with my stepfather. She wouldn't leave him so the state took the four of us and put us in foster care. And then the abuse really escalated and I was even given over to a Satanic cult at a very young age and I wasn't protected. Everyone from the foster parents to the social workers and even the court system set things up to make it easier for these people to have free access to me anytime they wanted to and they did whatever they wanted to do to me. They only thing they didn't do was kill me although they threatened to many times and made me believe that they would. I was in foster care ten years. This is the short version.
I just wanted you to know that my heart goes out to you and that you're not alone.
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It is good that one can speak out concerning happenings in this world.
And of the most troubling to many is this type of stuff runs rapid in some institutionalize churches worldwide, so it did in biblical “Israel” so it does in some “Christian Institutionalize churches” and those who know this is the truth hides it at great lengths! They rather keep it in The Dark than bring it into “The LIGHT” “for men love Darkness rather Than LIGHT because their deeds are EVIL”
Keep Bringing it To “The LIGHT” to show the deeds they are doing in the dark! The LIGHT shows us what they are doing in “The Dark” and it is not “Speculations” and on The Day of Judgment you shall be a”Witness and judge” backup by “THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY “ HIMSELF! For there will not be “Mercy or Grace” or excuses in “Judgment” only “Justice” and Revenge!
For GOD the FATHER, said: “VENGEANCE Belongs to Me I WILL Repay”
ISAIAH 29:15
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Woe to those who deeply hide their plans from the LORD, And whose deeds are done in a dark place, And they say, “Who sees us?” or “Who knows us?”
Amplified Bible
Woe (judgment is coming) to those who [try to] deeply hide their plans from the LORD, Whose deeds are done in a dark place, And who say, “Who sees us?” or “Who knows us?
Many have do idea what the meanings is of:
“You are Like “A LIGHT” “A CITY” that sits on A “HILL” or A “Dark Room”!
For we are The People of GOD who uses The Language of this World but have a Different Meaning, It is a LANGUAGE given to us and Taught by GOD, for we are HIS People and not the people of This World!
And of the most troubling to many is this type of stuff runs rapid in some institutionalize churches worldwide, so it did in biblical “Israel” so it does in some “Christian Institutionalize churches” and those who know this is the truth hides it at great lengths! They rather keep it in The Dark than bring it into “The LIGHT” “for men love Darkness rather Than LIGHT because their deeds are EVIL”
Keep Bringing it To “The LIGHT” to show the deeds they are doing in the dark! The LIGHT shows us what they are doing in “The Dark” and it is not “Speculations” and on The Day of Judgment you shall be a”Witness and judge” backup by “THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY “ HIMSELF! For there will not be “Mercy or Grace” or excuses in “Judgment” only “Justice” and Revenge!
For GOD the FATHER, said: “VENGEANCE Belongs to Me I WILL Repay”
ISAIAH 29:15
ASB 1977
Woe to those who deeply hide their plans from the LORD, And whose deeds are done in a dark place, And they say, “Who sees us?” or “Who knows us?”
Amplified Bible
Woe (judgment is coming) to those who [try to] deeply hide their plans from the LORD, Whose deeds are done in a dark place, And who say, “Who sees us?” or “Who knows us?
Many have do idea what the meanings is of:
“You are Like “A LIGHT” “A CITY” that sits on A “HILL” or A “Dark Room”!
For we are The People of GOD who uses The Language of this World but have a Different Meaning, It is a LANGUAGE given to us and Taught by GOD, for we are HIS People and not the people of This World!
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Yes, you're right. I can speak firsthand about how this is happening in Christian churches. Satanists infiltrate Christian churches and take over the leadership positions including and up to the pastor's position. Then they have free rein of the church and do their evil deeds right there in the church. They have access to the children who go to those churches. Satanists are like snakes nesting in churches. Christians need to be on guard and have discernment. They need to have the full armor of God. They need to have strong, unshakeable faith to withstand this kind of spiritual attack.
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It would be best to address those scripture that actually does condemn masturbation as it is known today but as a work of the flesh known as uncleanness Biblically.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Uncleanness as located in between the sex sins of fornication and lasciviousness which lasciviousness is sexual excessiveness, masturbation cannot escape just because uncleanness is called by a different name today.
One can see how masturbation can result from worshiping the creature more than the Creator; hence idolatry which pornography can apply towards.
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
I'm not seeing any exceptions given by Paul in this issue at all where uncleanness or masturbation can be okay since uncleanness is not to be even named among us.
Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
God can deliver us from the temptations to commit uncleanness when we recognize that it is a sin and we need His help.
2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Even wetting oneself is a form of uncleanness for why we need His help to cast down wicked imaginations and think on good things.
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
( verses 19 & 20 is not saying one does not have the Holy Ghost but that they are not abiding in Jesus Christ as walking in the Spirit but walking after the flesh )
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Verses 22 & 23 is the reference for how those that wet themselves should also ask Jesus for deliverance from that sin.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
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Verses 24-25 testifies as to how we are to look to Jesus for mercy in leading us away from temptations & delivering us from the evil one for He alone can save us from our sins & keep us from those sins daily.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
As for the good that you claim masturbation does, I had read a medical article at one time testifying that sex prevents colon cancer as it helps with bowel movements and such. How many single men bought that "rationalizing sell" to have sex with women for that prevention alone and out of fear too?
I do not doubt what you went through for why you saw masturbation as a release from that pain, but I have heard of how the mind can be tricked from feeling the pain when pain is felt elsewhere or pleasure comes in masking out that pain.
What you went through, sounds horrible. I am glad that the Lord helped you to see the vanity of promises to resting in His promises to you all the time for His help in following Him since after all, He is the Good Shepherd.
Your exposure to the Pentecostal/Charismatic whereby the Lord kept you from that false teaching of theirs about speaking in tongues as proof of having the Holy Ghost is good to hear! Kudos to the Lord!
But I believe you need to ask the Lord Jesus Christ for help in discerning whether or not you had reached the wrong conclusion on the subject of masturbation for why I believe it is the work of the flesh known as uncleanness by His words.
It doesn't matter if one has a wet dream or purposefully sinned once desire gets a hold and brought it forth, we need to ask Jesus for forgiveness and ask for His help not to do it again by thinking on good things other than that.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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When I have time, I would love to address all of your points. However, My main concern, right now, is not over masturbation.
My main concern is that I have a Brother who struggles with wrath, violence, contention, strife, and other such things from that very first verse you have cited. I have watched him sink into a deeper pit of despair, slef-loathing, and hate of humanity, the world, and of those who wronged him over about 7 years, or more by his account.
He's a Born again True Believer who is powerful in faith, understanding, and wisdom; yet he "hates fasting" and "it's a sin" to him, and he could never stand hymns, and he hates reading scripture and praying with me because I have "turned it into a chore", and "all ever do is remind [him] of [his] sins."
I am exhausted. I cannot see what I can do but pray for the Brother I live with. I am discomforted to be near him or around him when he is awake. I grieve that I cannot reach him, and he doesn't want me to.
As for masturbation: Simply, I don't feel I can address something so minor when I can't hardly even have fellowship withmy own Brother!
II think the brackets made it italic???
My main concern is that I have a Brother who struggles with wrath, violence, contention, strife, and other such things from that very first verse you have cited. I have watched him sink into a deeper pit of despair, slef-loathing, and hate of humanity, the world, and of those who wronged him over about 7 years, or more by his account.
He's a Born again True Believer who is powerful in faith, understanding, and wisdom; yet he "hates fasting" and "it's a sin" to him, and he could never stand hymns, and he hates reading scripture and praying with me because I have "turned it into a chore", and "all ever do is remind [him] of [his] sins."
I am exhausted. I cannot see what I can do but pray for the Brother I live with. I am discomforted to be near him or around him when he is awake. I grieve that I cannot reach him, and he doesn't want me to.
As for masturbation: Simply, I don't feel I can address something so minor when I can't hardly even have fellowship withmy own Brother!
II think the brackets made it italic???
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Jesus is keeping me from that pit of despair & from wanting vengeance while still undergoing oppression by my enemies by the example He has set.
1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. 35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
Sometimes I think He is asking us to be a doormat for us to have the hope and Christ's love that Jesus Christ may save those who have wronged us or to restore those who profess Him to the path of righteousness for His name's sake.
1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
And my oppression has been going on since high school.... about 40 years, but Jesus is my stay.
He should consider praying as talking to God the Father and he should feel free to share his complaints, but if he wants an answer, he has to listen and read His words for looking for those answers.
And sometimes, listening to songs is better than forcing one to sing hymns. That is how David soothed King Saul when he was in those dark moods.
Only God can reach him.
It isn't minor when it is a work of the flesh and those who do not lean on Him for help to depart from iniquity, may find they are at risk of being left behind when the Bridegroom comes at the rapture event.
I also find that if your brother does not forgive them down here to let go of hatred and malice daily with the Lord's help, and it will be a daily thing when our enemies do not repent, our Father will not forgive us in Heaven.
The reasoning behind this is hatred & malice are works of the flesh; what if his enemies repent before the rapture event and he sees them in Heaven? God will not have him crying foul, demanding punishment when He has forgiven his enemies of their sins just as He has forgiven him of his sins. Therefore he would be at risk of being left behind from the Marriage Supper to die, but his spirit will be with the Lord in heaven awaiting for his resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
God will have vengeance for why we should believe Him and give it to Jesus to do. He will do it right as we are to hope & pray for our enemies that He will save them or correct them, but most importantly, your brother & I need to trust the Lord to be our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him, including forgiving our enemies and praying for them at times when the devil is messing with our heads to resist that devil and lean on Jesus to think on good things.
Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
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For goodness sake!! Man has urges, whether its going to the bathroom, admiring a handsome man or attractive woman, its built in to us. Many of us have sexual urges that need to be released. Stop being legalistic and placing unnecessary burdens on people, your as bad as the pharisees. Just go into your bedroom, close the door, and do what has to be done to release the sexual energy. Its who your thinking about when your doing it that is the problem, so be discerning with your mind. I shouldnt even have to type this. Talk about children arguing in the playground over who has the better haircut.
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It would be best to address those scripture that actually does condemn masturbation as it is known today as a work of the flesh known as uncleanness Biblically. Look at the consequence.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Uncleanness as located in between the sex sins of fornication and lasciviousness which lasciviousness is sexual excessiveness, masturbation cannot escape just because uncleanness is called by a different name today.
Those who defile the temple of God with the works of the flesh and remain unrepented when the Bridegroom arrives, shall be left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to await for their resurrection afterthe great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Brother, know that Jesus can deliver you from this sin, but you need to recognize your need for Him to do that or you risk being left behind as excommunicated.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
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Can masturbation be a sin?
If you hurt or refuse to share pleasure with your spouse in bed, fulfilling only your own desires, is it then still holy?
If you are lusting after someone you ought not to have, is it holy?
If in your heart your imaginations break any of the commandments of YAH, is it not these things by which you sin?
If masturbation, marital sex, or even an otherwise good thing interfear with your rightly chores: work, relationships, focusing on ABBA, or that which is right by command of scripture, is it not excess or even idolatry?
My views:
If your thoughts are sinful, then it is the sin of your thoughts.
If your deeds are harmful, it is the sin of your deeds.
If your actions are neglectful, it is the sin of your neglect.
If your pursuits are consuming, then it is the sin of your consumption.
If you deny that which is good, you endeavor to make it evil.
I believe that by being told masturbation is a sin, when even were it not for my oath of celibacy, of which I have desperately repented many times after learning scripture, I have none whom I can marry in good faith, that will not be or is not already a sin for me to be with nor a detriment to my soul.
YAH is reasonable. Man is not. Scholars and believers agree that nothing to the matter of masturbation is mentioned in the bible, except by inference. For our God to be so direct and concisely clear on numerous other sins, and so vague that sparsely an argument is formed against masturbation, except to those who carefully pick through a very few scriptures and gather carefully implied meaning, is questionable to me, and many others, even disturbing.
The closest I have found: Leviticous -- "If a man's seed go out from him, he is unclean untio the even". Mentioned again in Dueteronomy with "in the night" added in, and as being separate from lying with a woman. So, wet dreams aren't a sin, simply unclean/messy. Having seed on garments and bedding is also mentioned as unclean.
This is the closest I have encountered to a good argument, based mostly on a single, lonely verse from the bible:
Is Masturbation a Sin? (Yes, the Bible Does Say It Is a Sin) | AGW MINISTRIES
Contrary to popular opinion, the Bible does speak directly to the issue of masturbation with unmistakable clarity. While it must be quickly admitted you won’t find the actual words “masturbation, self-pleasure, or self-gratification” anywhere in the inspired 66 books, the Bible often speaks on...applygodsword.com
Yet, I still wonder if, as often occurs in sexless marriages, it is referring to adultery, as mentioned by Yahoshua: "If any man divorce his wife for any other than defilement of the marriage bed, he causes her to commit adultery." This directly indicates sex outside of marriage and temptation of companionship, not masturbation for a virgin who is patiently waiting.
My Mom did not want to have sex with my Dad, so he turned to porn and call-girls, or would rape her. My Mother's Father's wife refused to have sex with him, so he raped his daughter, siring my Mom, and then raped her, too!
Beyond that, the root meaning of porneia includes strippers, perverse artists and authors, homosexuals, and film or cartoon makers, as well as pedophiles (all child-philes), and zoophiles, as well as other unnatural sexual pursuits and desires such as bondage, crossdressing, transgender, transexual, etcetera. Masturbation, unless you actually are in lust with your self, viewing or desiring these materials or strange flesh, participating with someone else, or your desire is already founded in a known sin, is rare, but can *potentially* occur without such filth and wretchedness, though admittedly uncommon, usually.
Nonetheless, most masturbation arguments discuss confines to marriage for married couples. But what about living to 30, 40+ years of age as a virgin, waiting for a righteous spouse, rather then marrying an unbeliever for the sake of lust?
And what of my swearing myself to celibacy in ignorance and without righteous mortal guidance, when the bible says, "you shall hardly be released from your oath"? And as said by Yahoshua himself: "Do not swear [at all by anything/one], nor make oaths, neither any promises for [you are not God that you can ensure perfect execution of it]. Rather, let your answer be yay yay (yes yes) or nay nay (no no), for *ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS COMES FROM THE DEVIL.*"
Were Adam and Eve righteous by staying unclothed in God's most holy presence?
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You said you were saved. From what? Could you pls clarify?
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Yes. And, as preposterous as the rape by Rex sounds, which happened at late 10, early 11 (late 4th, early 5th grade, because I definitely had the Knee inquiries in 5th), it is a reality I have to live with. As sick as this sounds, I almost wish I could blame a human, because, then, it would make more sense. My Brother was already molesting me, and my parents were definitely messed up. However, no, I, and others out there!, have to live with being raped by -- in my case -- the most loyal and lovable member of the family, which had saved all are lives repeatedly (bear, moose, my Brother after our Mom nearly kicked me to death in the head and I lived untreated with a conclusion for 2 weeks after I woke).
It would be so much easier to hate and blame, and perhaps forgive and even relate to the humans; but a beast!? They're culpable Biblically, right? The ass carrying [[the prophetof YAH who lived near Canaan who was asked to curse Israel before he and the prince and his armies were slave, prior to founding of Israel, and he felt on his ass, and the angel met him in the way]] understood,made complex designs to protect hereafter despite being beaten 3 times, and had her mouth loosed by the angel and could speak!! So, Rex knew better than me!!! Yet, I feel he gets a leniency. Best I got from the Holy Law so far: "If a beast gore a man, the owner shall pay recompense, and the beast slain" Did I get the quote right?
As for not hearing about it, that disturbs me much more. *No one in history records or modern conversation address this, and ?neither does the Bible??* There are Social Service records, police records, and surely medical records about it, as well as videos and documentaries you can watch and read, but *no one takes this seriously!?* Horrifying.
It's "known to occur among chimps, gorilla, monkeys, and even orangutans, as well as dogs, cats, rabbits, dolphins, swans, other birds, deer, and countless other animals, especially those most *domesticated* or likely to come into contact with humans most frequently."
When I found out that there are *police reports* on this, I thought, "what are they gonna show up at the door and do? shoot the dog? arrest the owner and let the victim shoot the dog?" Honestly, I believe the owner/s should be held accountable, and I and other victims should get to watch the beasts execution. ...But, what about forgiveness!? Do I have to forgive Rex, long dead of old age or euthanasia, for raping me!? Pardon, but wtf!? How do I cope with this!? I am seeing a sex therapist as a victim of rape, I cannot recall the penetration (that portion of memory remains fiercely, and stubbornly dark, but all else around it points to rape, including self examination of the injuries, including groin), but it looks over 90+% likely for many incriminating reasons of evidence.
Do I blame and forgive my parents for their negligence? My Dad was the only one home, and he had his headphones on, at the computer, in his underwear, on the other side of the wall to my room where it happened? Do I blame him? I haven't been able to emotionally process more than him laughing at me when I said, "The dog leapt oj me and began shaking his hips!" In abject terror. I can post the whole story here, or link to it on Quora. Easy to look up, Quora, "Can an animal rape a human being", I was going by Apple Banana as something random on the fly that I heard before as a username, I believe I changed it to Anny Mouso. ~looking for link~
Is it possible for an animal to rape a human?
Answer (1 of 13): YES. I was sexually assaulted after a shower by our dog at age 10. Further, a scuba diver was assaulted by a sea turtle on live television, and has since become an advocate for humans sexually assaulted by beasts ^^(don't know what happened to that -- it's what the tele said)^^...
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I have no strength to continue.. I am having panic attacks. I can't!.
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From your profile page.....
"I was late 17, September, the month before my birthday. I planned to run away the day after, find a man, get married, have lots of kids, and "Do better than my parents ever did," which meant to grow in, guide in, and raise my family in our Lord. I trusted God would provide for me, so I would leave with only my clothing I had on. At some point, my Mother, Brother, and I were listening to a sermon from Lauren Livingston. They were in front, at the computer, Brother sitting, Mom leaning in, blocking my view. I felt excluded , standing almost in the doorway behind them as they ignored me, and never looked back (and I suppose there wasn't room for me on the other shoulder, nor welcoming to lean over in the small apartment room). I recall nothing else but the words, upon which life zoomed in, "You gotta get Saved."
I shook for 3 days, terribly, fearing I was going to hell, and asking, "How do I know if I am Saved? What is 'get Saved'? How do I do that?" Mom said, "That's between you and God to work out, I can't do it for you!" On the last day, Brother said, "Are you an idiot? How can you not know what that is? Don't you know that Jesus died for your sins?" Brother explained a simple prayer, telling me to ask forgiveness for all my sins, promise to serve God all the days of my life, and ask for the Gift of the Holy Spirit. I did, that night, and felt I needed to render more. My desires and goals had approach down to God, and marriage. So, I gave up the latter to serve ABBA, and swore myself to celibacy. There are those who are eunuchs for the Kingdom's sake, though I didn't know that scripture then, though we'd read through the whole bible more than once."
FYI
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
From your profile page:
"I got into bed, swiftly dose off, and felt the Holy Spirit rush into me, seeming to near throw me from my bed for intensity, and I burned. I spent the next [months?] (I don't even know how long), demonically assailed, all day and night, with only moments of relent as I prayed, slept touching the bible, and drew crosses on any surface, myself, or in the air with my fingers. I muttered reflexive prayers while rocking, and clutched at the cross I wore for comfort, stability, and relief so I could gain the focus to pray. After months, it all stopped, and I had 3 years of not recalling, desiring, or being drawn to those particular sins that were so terrible for me (lust and porn, most notably)."
FYI
I submit to you for your discernment with the Lord that it was not the Holy Spirit that rushed into you and threw you from your bed for intensity since you spent the next months demonically assailed all day and night.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Since the Holy Spirit is to represent Jesus Christ, I do not see the Holy Spirit behaving as anything else other than to be meek and lowly in heart as Jesus Christ is and so that was not the Holy Spirit that threw you from your bed with intensity.
One of the problems I see in sinners seeking to be saved is seeking for a sign of the Holy Spirit coming into them, but Jesus said this;
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Biblically, the moment you had believed in Him, you had received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ; not by a sign.
Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
So there was a spiritual fight all right as Jesus Christ was in you the moment you had believed in Jesus Christ and He was battling demonic possession that you had unwittingly invited in for looking to receive a spirit by a sign rather than by faith in Jesus Christ. I can only be thankful that the Spirit of Christ in you led you to look to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Bridegroom of whom we are married to God by for living that reconciled relationship with God the Father by.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
From your profile page:
"Many things have happened since then. My Brother changed from someone who hated me to someone who loves me in Messiah. He had been previously Saved at 8yo, 10+ish years prior. We eventually realized that, as a little kid and young teen, I was apparently suffering from occasional bouts of demonic posession. I don't have that, anymore.
I renew myself to ABBA YAH, and I burn happily in the bosom."
FYI
You have been renewed and need no more renewal since you are saved. We are to renew our minds, but the renewal done at our salvation by faith in Jesus Christ, there is no need for repeating because we are saved.
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Put your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to finish His work in you to His glory.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:..
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
Do not look to yourself to do God's work in you by doing the best you can in keeping a commitment or a promise to Christ, but rather be set free from all man made yokes of bondage to rest in Him to help you to do it.
Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Trust Him as your Good Shepherd to help you to follow Him by faith looking to Him in laying aside every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
May God bless you and keep you. May He shone His face upon you & give you His peace.
"I was late 17, September, the month before my birthday. I planned to run away the day after, find a man, get married, have lots of kids, and "Do better than my parents ever did," which meant to grow in, guide in, and raise my family in our Lord. I trusted God would provide for me, so I would leave with only my clothing I had on. At some point, my Mother, Brother, and I were listening to a sermon from Lauren Livingston. They were in front, at the computer, Brother sitting, Mom leaning in, blocking my view. I felt excluded , standing almost in the doorway behind them as they ignored me, and never looked back (and I suppose there wasn't room for me on the other shoulder, nor welcoming to lean over in the small apartment room). I recall nothing else but the words, upon which life zoomed in, "You gotta get Saved."
I shook for 3 days, terribly, fearing I was going to hell, and asking, "How do I know if I am Saved? What is 'get Saved'? How do I do that?" Mom said, "That's between you and God to work out, I can't do it for you!" On the last day, Brother said, "Are you an idiot? How can you not know what that is? Don't you know that Jesus died for your sins?" Brother explained a simple prayer, telling me to ask forgiveness for all my sins, promise to serve God all the days of my life, and ask for the Gift of the Holy Spirit. I did, that night, and felt I needed to render more. My desires and goals had approach down to God, and marriage. So, I gave up the latter to serve ABBA, and swore myself to celibacy. There are those who are eunuchs for the Kingdom's sake, though I didn't know that scripture then, though we'd read through the whole bible more than once."
FYI
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
From your profile page:
"I got into bed, swiftly dose off, and felt the Holy Spirit rush into me, seeming to near throw me from my bed for intensity, and I burned. I spent the next [months?] (I don't even know how long), demonically assailed, all day and night, with only moments of relent as I prayed, slept touching the bible, and drew crosses on any surface, myself, or in the air with my fingers. I muttered reflexive prayers while rocking, and clutched at the cross I wore for comfort, stability, and relief so I could gain the focus to pray. After months, it all stopped, and I had 3 years of not recalling, desiring, or being drawn to those particular sins that were so terrible for me (lust and porn, most notably)."
FYI
I submit to you for your discernment with the Lord that it was not the Holy Spirit that rushed into you and threw you from your bed for intensity since you spent the next months demonically assailed all day and night.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Since the Holy Spirit is to represent Jesus Christ, I do not see the Holy Spirit behaving as anything else other than to be meek and lowly in heart as Jesus Christ is and so that was not the Holy Spirit that threw you from your bed with intensity.
One of the problems I see in sinners seeking to be saved is seeking for a sign of the Holy Spirit coming into them, but Jesus said this;
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Biblically, the moment you had believed in Him, you had received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ; not by a sign.
Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
So there was a spiritual fight all right as Jesus Christ was in you the moment you had believed in Jesus Christ and He was battling demonic possession that you had unwittingly invited in for looking to receive a spirit by a sign rather than by faith in Jesus Christ. I can only be thankful that the Spirit of Christ in you led you to look to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Bridegroom of whom we are married to God by for living that reconciled relationship with God the Father by.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
From your profile page:
"Many things have happened since then. My Brother changed from someone who hated me to someone who loves me in Messiah. He had been previously Saved at 8yo, 10+ish years prior. We eventually realized that, as a little kid and young teen, I was apparently suffering from occasional bouts of demonic posession. I don't have that, anymore.
I renew myself to ABBA YAH, and I burn happily in the bosom."
FYI
You have been renewed and need no more renewal since you are saved. We are to renew our minds, but the renewal done at our salvation by faith in Jesus Christ, there is no need for repeating because we are saved.
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Put your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to finish His work in you to His glory.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:..
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
Do not look to yourself to do God's work in you by doing the best you can in keeping a commitment or a promise to Christ, but rather be set free from all man made yokes of bondage to rest in Him to help you to do it.
Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Trust Him as your Good Shepherd to help you to follow Him by faith looking to Him in laying aside every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
May God bless you and keep you. May He shone His face upon you & give you His peace.
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Yes, absolutely. Do I seem not to be?
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I would like to recomment to you. 1. The fact that the part of the post you quoted starts with, "I am long-winded" (So was Paul), and the fact that everything I have said directly states my faith and adherence to YAH'S Holy Law, as well as calling our God ABBA/FATHER, and then you, essentially, ask, "Are you even Christian?"
You hurt me so profoundly that while I worked to reply to the next individual in this thread, that I did not understand why my words were angry and attacking until I finished, my post was blocked from being sent through, and ABBA helped me realize how much pain this brutal comment had caused me.
If you cannot tell that I am Christian, you have read almost nothing that I have said, at all.
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Thank you.
I will think about this, and plan to discuss it with my Brother. I honestly never considered that my Brother's words to ask for the Gift of the Holy Spirit, when I already had it (and had even in memory of my tenderest youth did hear and convey the words which came to me) could have brought in demonic assault. My Brother, also lead to believe in "Guardian Angels", because of a "companion" he had for 15 years since the night after he was baptised, also had gotten me into that, until, seeking ABBA, I asked him to demand it reveal its true form in Jesus/Yahoshua name, and it was the same devil that had tried to murder him after his baptism in the Mormon church by our cult Dad-Sire.
I think our experiences were unusually satanic and convoluted because of the cult we were born into, and the wicked "blessings" they bestowed.
