Masturbation _ My Experiences, Scripture, and Concerns

[Yennee]

You said you were saved. From what? Could you pls clarify?

From sin. What line are you referring to in my post? Do you mean deliverance from my parents, or to say I was not truly delivered from them?

I am referring to becoming Born-Again/Saved.

 

[Yennee]

mmm

Sex within marriage is referred to as unclean, but it requires not sin offering for repentance. To be unclean, simply put, means something is rather messy or potential for infection or some kind of filth. And, yes, all sex is messy. We are unclean when we need to shower or get mud on us, but it is not a sin that we have committed by falling into the mud, merely a stumble.

There is no known term or phrase in the bible that is used in place of the modern word "masturbation", yet, the Greeks had a word for it, and the Hebrews undoubtedly had some way to refer to it.

Abortion is directly addressed, but even neither Old nor New Testament is their a single lecture directly against masturbation itself, only the many other sins.

Further still, if it is worshiping the creation more than the Creator, then sex in marriage and the eating of cake on birthdays or drinking of wine in celebration or on Sabbaths could easily be condemned as "pleasures of the flesh". Why are these not, and masturbation , *without porn, idolatry , adultry , or any other known and named sin* is likewise condemned.

YAH said wine is good, and so too milk and honey, as well as taking and giving please to one's spouse. It is in excess, or in lack of allowance for that which is good (Ex: forcing abstinence on your spouse, denying them their need), which is sin that is commanded against.


I am thinking that while masturbation, especially in this age, and even all sex, and the very teachings thereof have become defiled in the greater portion, it does not make the original acts wicked by default of how they are often used.

Ex: Wine is oft used to get drunk or get others drunk, which is warned against by ABBA. Likewise medicines for intoxication, sexual lovers outside of marriage, and even deviant and violent acts within marriage such as rape, forced abstinence , homosexuality , torture and fetish play (which is pretending to be someone or something else-- idolatry and adultery).

However, it is written, "wine is good", and our Savior drank it, and made it by a miracle!

We don't condemn sex and marriage just because our Savior didn't do these things on earth, or that when He comes again, there will be no more sex, at all, ever. Yet, we condemn an act never once mentioned in the Bible, at all, and moreover with Bible passage in Deuteronomy and Leviticus seeming to state that it is not a sin!


Leviticus 15:16-18 (KJV) 16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. 17And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. 18The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

Deuteronomy 23:10 (KJV) 10 If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp: 11 But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.


Honestly, there doesn't seem to be much on the subject. Why would ABBA be so explicit about everything else, and not this?

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[Yennee]

Hello Yennee.



I've heard similar things by people who are or were Mormon. So you're not alone in that way.



My mother didn't molest me but she allowed or didn't do anything to stop others from molesting me like my stepbrother who raped me when I was six years old and he was a teenager. My stepfather as well as my own biological father molested my oldest sister. I saw that. My stepfather also molested his own biological daughter, and I saw that too.

My mother was aware of this and did nothing about it. She was then given a choice either to leave my stepfather or lose her children to foster care; that is, only the four of us by my biological father, not the children by my stepfather. There were four of us by my biological father and I was the youngest. My mother chose to stay with my stepfather. She wouldn't leave him so the state took the four of us and put us in foster care. And then the abuse really escalated and I was even given over to a Satanic cult at a very young age and I wasn't protected. Everyone from the foster parents to the social workers and even the court system set things up to make it easier for these people to have free access to me anytime they wanted to and they did whatever they wanted to do to me. They only thing they didn't do was kill me although they threatened to many times and made me believe that they would. I was in foster care ten years. This is the short version.

I just wanted you to know that my heart goes out to you and that you're not alone.

~hugs~

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I would like to recomment to you. 1. The fact that the part of the post you quoted starts with, "I am long-winded" (So was Paul), and the fact that everything I have said directly states my faith and adherence to YAH'S Holy Law, as well as calling our God ABBA/FATHER, and then you, essentially, ask, "Are you even Christian?"

You hurt me so profoundly that while I worked to reply to the next individual in this thread, that I did not understand why my words were angry and attacking until I finished, my post was blocked from being sent through, and ABBA helped me realize how much pain this brutal comment had caused me.

If you cannot tell that I am Christian, you have read almost nothing that I have said, at all.

Greetings beloved.

Thanks for sharing how my words made you feel.

I first will apologize for the harm and hurt that my words did you to.

Please forgive me. We will triumph over this. We shall.

Let me share that that was not my intentions and I did not say "Are you even a Christian?"

I said, "Are you are Christian?" I sense that you are reading a lot of tone into it and I sensed

I was just asking clear questions to see where you were coming from because it is not good to assume.

I've learned that not everyone on talk Jesus is a Christian. So if I ask someone "Are you are Christian?"

And they reply "No I'm a Muslim" or no "I'm an atheist", then I'm not offended, and nor are they because

they have allowed me to better understand them. Sometimes I find that we assume everyone is a Christian

so I just didn't want to assume. My follow up question was another simply question,

"Is the Bible your authority on how we are to live and conduct ourselves?"

Which is pretty much a yes or a no question. No negative tone in there.

Once again, I've learned not to assume because many many many many I've found

identify as Christians but the Bible is not the authority. It is the Bible+feelings,

or the Bible+Science of man, or Bible+Mystic religions. So I was simply gathering

information to learn more about you, not trying to be rude or disrespectful, but

simply gathering information, and the way to gather information is through questions.

If I could have phrased those two questions in a way that would make you feel more

loved and respected please let me know and I will learn to love you better as a brother

in Christ with my words. Thanks.

 

[GodB4Us]

Thank you.

I will think about this, and plan to discuss it with my Brother. I honestly never considered that my Brother's words to ask for the Gift of the Holy Spirit, when I already had it (and had even in memory of my tenderest youth did hear and convey the words which came to me) could have brought in demonic assault. My Brother, also lead to believe in "Guardian Angels", because of a "companion" he had for 15 years since the night after he was baptised, also had gotten me into that, until, seeking ABBA, I asked him to demand it reveal its true form in Jesus/Yahoshua name, and it was the same devil that had tried to murder him after his baptism in the Mormon church by our cult Dad-Sire.


I think our experiences were unusually satanic and convoluted because of the cult we were born into, and the wicked "blessings" they bestowed.

I am glad to hear that Jesus is working in you in moving you on to perfection as He did and still doing for me. I pray Jesus is doing the same for your brother too.

May God bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace. This includes your brother too.

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

From sin. What line are you referring to in my post? Do you mean deliverance from my parents, or to say I was not truly delivered from them?

I am referring to becoming Born-Again/Saved.

Romans7:20: "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me".

Do you mean to say you are saved from sin which makes you do that which you don't want to do according to the above verse?

 

[PloughBoy]

Sex within marriage is referred to as unclean, but it requires not sin offering for repentance. To be unclean, simply put, means something is rather messy or potential for infection or some kind of filth. And, yes, all sex is messy. We are unclean when we need to shower or get mud on us, but it is not a sin that we have committed by falling into the mud, merely a stumble.

There is no known term or phrase in the bible that is used in place of the modern word "masturbation", yet, the Greeks had a word for it, and the Hebrews undoubtedly had some way to refer to it.

Abortion is directly addressed, but even neither Old nor New Testament is their a single lecture directly against masturbation itself, only the many other sins.

Further still, if it is worshiping the creation more than the Creator, then sex in marriage and the eating of cake on birthdays or drinking of wine in celebration or on Sabbaths could easily be condemned as "pleasures of the flesh". Why are these not, and masturbation , *without porn, idolatry , adultry , or any other known and named sin* is likewise condemned.

YAH said wine is good, and so too milk and honey, as well as taking and giving please to one's spouse. It is in excess, or in lack of allowance for that which is good (Ex: forcing abstinence on your spouse, denying them their need), which is sin that is commanded against.


I am thinking that while masturbation, especially in this age, and even all sex, and the very teachings thereof have become defiled in the greater portion, it does not make the original acts wicked by default of how they are often used.

Ex: Wine is oft used to get drunk or get others drunk, which is warned against by ABBA. Likewise medicines for intoxication, sexual lovers outside of marriage, and even deviant and violent acts within marriage such as rape, forced abstinence , homosexuality , torture and fetish play (which is pretending to be someone or something else-- idolatry and adultery).

However, it is written, "wine is good", and our Savior drank it, and made it by a miracle!

We don't condemn sex and marriage just because our Savior didn't do these things on earth, or that when He comes again, there will be no more sex, at all, ever. Yet, we condemn an act never once mentioned in the Bible, at all, and moreover with Bible passage in Deuteronomy and Leviticus seeming to state that it is not a sin!


Leviticus 15:16-18 (KJV) 16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. 17And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. 18The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

Deuteronomy 23:10 (KJV) 10 If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp: 11 But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.


Honestly, there doesn't seem to be much on the subject. Why would ABBA be so explicit about everything else, and not this?

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I’m
Too busy to think about sex!

 

[Andyindauk]

Hi Yennee,

My heart and my love for you goes out to you as my dear sweet little sister who's been so badly hurt by those who should have looked after her and protected her but instead abused her for their own gratification or simply just turned a blind eye. I don't know you intimately but a lot of what you write shouts out to me that you have been and in fact are damaged by those experiences and abusive relationships. Your posts seem to major in on this issue of masturbation.

Can I first of all reassure you that God loves you to bits, He absolutely and totally adores you? Yes we all know that, He sent His Son to die for us both but because He loves you so much, He wants you feeling happy, loved, fulfilled and totally satisfied with Him through the workings of His Holy Spirit in your life, a 1-2-1 personal, deep and intimate relationship with Him built upon a growing and deepening righteousness and purity of your mind, body and soul and a more and more wonderful experience of His love, majesty, power and joy that comes with that relationship.

In sharp contrast, Satan wants to build on the damage that your relationships and experiences caused, he seeks to expoilt and open these wounds wanting to use them to damage your relationship with your saviour. There's a similar battle going on over you as was going on between Satan and God over the prophet Job, and there will be a similar outcome so long as you stand firm in your faith and trust in God's deliverence.

I don't think that masturbation can be edifying towards a Christian's faith and relationship with God. I don't know about you but for me masturbation doesn't work without fantasy and those fantasies are open doors to Satan to come in and give you desires and yearnings of sinful activity that must upset and hurt our dear Lord. I'm not trying to judge or make you feel bad, God knows that this is a weakness I struggle to overcome for weeks, then fall off the wagon, feel really awful and climb back onto that wagon - until next time. Yes, I can personally relate to what you're saying and I have had no damaging experiences and relationships that you have suffered. Just as a temporary stop-gap it may well be that toys could give you the release without the fantasies.

Can I please urge you to seek professional counselling to repair and mend the damage and hurt inflicted by those failed relationships and awful experiences? You've mentioned that you're taking sex therapy sessions but given that you're not in a sexual relationship, I think counselling would be more beneficial.

I've prayed for you and I will continue to pray but please you need to do your bit and seek professional help so that God can break through these barriers and complete His repair to your soul and spirit. God wants your faith and relationship with him flying along in 6th gear, like I said earlier, He wants you happy, loved, fulfilled and totally satisfied with Him through the workings of His Holy Spirit in your life. Maybe He thinks to Himself, it's not good for Yannee to be on her own; maybe He's got someone lined up, someone who can share with you and work in partnership, each enjoying and edyfying each other, a three way relationship with God!

You tell us that you've made a vow of celibacy. Can I refer you to the story of Jephthah in Judges 11:29-40. Most scholars are of the view that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter's virginity and never saw grandchildren, rather than some sort of gruesome ritual sacrifice that would have broken God's law. Note his daughter chose to respect and abide by her father's oath but I believe that had she not, God would not have held her to it or punished her. In the same way, if you made a vow of celibacy as a defence mechanism to try and overcome the injuries and hurt caused to you, God would surely understand and forgive you for breaking that vow. This is what Jesus says about celibacy -

But He said to them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”
Matthew 19:11‭-‬12 NKJV

In other words, it may well be that you're not cut out for a life of celibacy, in which case God does not want you to make yourself miserable trying to be something that you're not, just as He said to Jesus about Adam before creating Eve -
And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” Genesis 2:18 NKJV

In summary, please do whatever you can with God's help to repair the wounds inflicted upon you. Please do not allow masturbation to define you, there is so much more that awaits you, blessings, joy, wisdom, witness, knolwedge and experience to name but a few. Please move on and leave this behind you.

I love you so much sweet sister, I just want you to stop hurting and trying to get by and start to enjoy. May God bless you richly. Feel free to IM me if you want to chat more.

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Dear Lord God, my poor poor sister is struggling and trying to overcome. She needs a double helping of your wonderful amazing Holy Spirit, giving her wisdom to deal with her isses, a real peace knowing that she's dearly loved by the most powerul and loving God in Heaven and Earth. We both know that you want Paul's reassurances in Romans 8:28 to be realised in us but sometimes we hinder the fulfilment of that promise with the baggage that we came to you with when we first believed. Please Lord, deal with or help Yannee to overcome her hurt. I pray dear Lord for a drenching of blessings upon blessings on my lovely dear sister.

Thank you God that we can come to you, lay out our wants and requests and we can rest on the knowledge that you're onto it wanting to give us our hearts desires just so long as we desire you, and Lord, we do.

Thank you, thank, thank you dear God.

Amen.

 

[PloughBoy]

Greetings beloved.

Thanks for sharing how my words made you feel.

I first will apologize for the harm and hurt that my words did you to.

Please forgive me. We will triumph over this. We shall.

Let me share that that was not my intentions and I did not say "Are you even a Christian?"

I said, "Are you are Christian?" I sense that you are reading a lot of tone into it and I sensed

I was just asking clear questions to see where you were coming from because it is not good to assume.

I've learned that not everyone on talk Jesus is a Christian. So if I ask someone "Are you are Christian?"

And they reply "No I'm a Muslim" or no "I'm an atheist", then I'm not offended, and nor are they because

they have allowed me to better understand them. Sometimes I find that we assume everyone is a Christian

so I just didn't want to assume. My follow up question was another simply question,

"Is the Bible your authority on how we are to live and conduct ourselves?"

Which is pretty much a yes or a no question. No negative tone in there.

Once again, I've learned not to assume because many many many many I've found

identify as Christians but the Bible is not the authority. It is the Bible+feelings,

or the Bible+Science of man, or Bible+Mystic religions. So I was simply gathering

information to learn more about you, not trying to be rude or disrespectful, but

simply gathering information, and the way to gather information is through questions.

If I could have phrased those two questions in a way that would make you feel more

loved and respected please let me know and I will learn to love you better as a brother

in Christ with my words. Thanks.

Alright, I have warn you once, you single young strong as a Bull, She single that aroma start flying and “Satan”. Not demons and not The Flesh, But “Satan” cast That “Star Dust” in The Air! You will be Booking A Flight to “Alaska” on a missionary Trip! And I did say “ Missionary” Or Sending a Plane Ticket coming east!
Let me tell you, Satan got some stuff in His Bag for your flesh, you ain’t Never Felt before, you and her!

strap you down with those spiritual hand cuffs, tie your feet down, blow in your ear, he make your toes curl, and That Honey will start flowing from those kisses from those smooth lips! Too Late! You Will Call on “Jesus” loud, but To Late! Stay away from Her Door and go No Where near Her House!

This is The Second Time I have Warn you!

You might Think you have encounter The Wilds of SATAN!

You never Met “CUPID”! And He Got Flying Arrows!

That Mythology! Is Real but That is Not his real Name!

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Alright, I have warn you once, you single young strong as a Bull, She single that aroma start flying and “Satan”. Not demons and not The Flesh, But “Satan” cast That “Star Dust” in The Air! You will be Booking A Flight to “Alaska” on a missionary Trip! And I did say “ Missionary” Or Sending a Plane Ticket coming east!
Let me tell you, Satan got some stuff in His Bag for your flesh, you ain’t Never Felt before, you and her!

strap you down with those spiritual hand cuffs, tie your feet down, blow in your ear, he make your toes curl, and That Honey will start flowing from those kisses from those smooth lips! Too Late! You Will Call on “Jesus” loud, but To Late! Stay away from Her Door and go No Where near Her House!

This is The Second Time I have Warn you!

You might Think you have encounter The Wilds of SATAN!

You never Met “CUPID”! And He Got Flying Arrows!

That Mythology! Is Real but That is Not his real Name!

I think you meant to reply to @Yennee , not me.

 

[PloughBoy]

I think you meant to reply to @Yennee , not me.

Take it anyway you want too, but I bet she can show you new encounters that will rock your world!

A man is No match for A “Woman”! You might call kill a 1000 with The Jaw Bone of a as, But Let “Delilah” walk in The room.

 

[joestue]

A man is No match for A “Woman”! You might call kill a 1000 with The Jaw Bone of a as, But Let “Delilah” walk in The room.

i have yet to find anything edifying from any of your posts.

 

[PloughBoy]

i have yet to find anything edifying from any of your posts.

Well they are not meant for you,

 

[Yennee]

Greetings beloved.

Thanks for sharing how my words made you feel.

I first will apologize for the harm and hurt that my words did you to.

Please forgive me. We will triumph over this. We shall.

Let me share that that was not my intentions and I did not say "Are you even a Christian?"

I said, "Are you are Christian?" I sense that you are reading a lot of tone into it and I sensed

I was just asking clear questions to see where you were coming from because it is not good to assume.

I've learned that not everyone on talk Jesus is a Christian. So if I ask someone "Are you are Christian?"

And they reply "No I'm a Muslim" or no "I'm an atheist", then I'm not offended, and nor are they because

they have allowed me to better understand them. Sometimes I find that we assume everyone is a Christian

so I just didn't want to assume. My follow up question was another simply question,

"Is the Bible your authority on how we are to live and conduct ourselves?"

Which is pretty much a yes or a no question. No negative tone in there.

Once again, I've learned not to assume because many many many many I've found

identify as Christians but the Bible is not the authority. It is the Bible+feelings,

or the Bible+Science of man, or Bible+Mystic religions. So I was simply gathering

information to learn more about you, not trying to be rude or disrespectful, but

simply gathering information, and the way to gather information is through questions.

If I could have phrased those two questions in a way that would make you feel more

loved and respected please let me know and I will learn to love you better as a brother

in Christ with my words. Thanks.

I would have said it with a disclaimer:

[Intention] I would like to get to know you better. [Disclaimer] I know that we have people of various faiths on here. [Consent] May I ask with what you identify? [Deeper thought-provoking inquiry, with acknowledgement of variances, but without intimidation for either party] Are you Christian, and if so, which denomination do you adhere to? Moreover, to which books and Testaments do you found your faith upon? Is it the entire Bible, Old, or New Testament, and what else?


I naturally **** people off. So, I had to learn this, at some point: everyone's beliefs are political.

You don't have to ascribe to their system, but you do have to tread with caution.

 

[Yennee]

Romans7:20: "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me".

Do you mean to say you are saved from sin which makes you do that which you don't want to do according to the above verse?

I am literally asking for you to clarify what you meant by your question, as I cannot tell as to what I said that you are referring to, even now. Please, I am still asking you, now, what are you asking me about?

I, Born Again, am Saved from sin. That was the majority of the quote you used.

I am struggling with the concept of, -- and discussing in this thread --, what place masturbation does or does not have, and why, if it is allegedly a sin, it is not mentioned neither inferred in the Bible, so far as I and countless scholars have found; and why is there not a solid argument against it, with many being false and perverting scripture, outright willfully dismissive of single people especially, presumptuous of thoughts and beliefs of those doing it, or weak and founded on language without context or historical root and translation. Is no one else disturbed by this, at all!?

Other ones that get to me:
Pedophilia -- also not mentioned outright!?
Gambling -- not mentioned outright, either!?

These cause confusion for many Christian's, and must be understood in context.

Ex:
Casting of lots wasused to put and end to arguments and resolve matters, not for wasting of money, game playing, or addictions without honest work. While I know folks who justify gambling, it is condemnable under sins named, such as idolatry, love of money, bribery and gift giving, lying and manipulation, slothfulness, etc.

 

[Yennee]

Hi Yennee,

My heart and my love for you goes out to you as my dear sweet little sister who's been so badly hurt by those who should have looked after her and protected her but instead abused her for their own gratification or simply just turned a blind eye. I don't know you intimately but a lot of what you write shouts out to me that you have been and in fact are damaged by those experiences and abusive relationships. Your posts seem to major in on this issue of masturbation.

Can I first of all reassure you that God loves you to bits, He absolutely and totally adores you? Yes we all know that, He sent His Son to die for us both but because He loves you so much, He wants you feeling happy, loved, fulfilled and totally satisfied with Him through the workings of His Holy Spirit in your life, a 1-2-1 personal, deep and intimate relationship with Him built upon a growing and deepening righteousness and purity of your mind, body and soul and a more and more wonderful experience of His love, majesty, power and joy that comes with that relationship.

In sharp contrast, Satan wants to build on the damage that your relationships and experiences caused, he seeks to expoilt and open these wounds wanting to use them to damage your relationship with your saviour. There's a similar battle going on over you as was going on between Satan and God over the prophet Job, and there will be a similar outcome so long as you stand firm in your faith and trust in God's deliverence.

Enter spaces make the multiple quotes!
To you:
Very true.

I don't think that masturbation can be edifying towards a Christian's faith and relationship with God. I don't know about you but for me masturbation doesn't work without fantasy and those fantasies are open doors to Satan to come in and give you desires and yearnings of sinful activity that must upset and hurt our dear Lord. I'm not trying to judge or make you feel bad, God knows that this is a weakness I struggle to overcome for weeks, then fall off the wagon, feel really awful and climb back onto that wagon - until next time. Yes, I can personally relate to what you're saying and I have had no damaging experiences and relationships that you have suffered. Just as a temporary stop-gap it may well be that toys could give you the release without the fantasies.

Yay enter spaces!

So, I have found that, while I typically have fantasies that, if I bring them to ABBA, He works.with me on them, and refines my beliefs, expectations, perceptions, and understanding, and I grow closer to Him with a more righteous view of sexuality and personal goal standard. It is written, "do all things in Glory to YAH", ... and "bring all things unto Him, whatsoever you have need." So, instead of dwelling in fear, like someone who won't talk about their hurt with my Father, I go to Him and divulge for the sake of a greater bond and growth, which is what I get.

We live in a society wherein parents are embarrassed (strong word!) by the idea of teaching their own children about sex, and we are taught to be ashamed or feel guilty of YAH'S creation of us as sexual. That guilt is *not* from our Father! We are taught to despise ourselves, dwell in secret, and never ask questions or talk about our "dirty parts", which are still part of the body that is made in the image of YAH and for His Plan and by His perfect understanding. Your "naughty bits" are not naughty of themselves, but good!

So, from my experience and understanding, if you are dwelling in perpetual loathing, and a cycle oftorment, that is from the devil, per your earlier comment! YAH loves us and wants joy, happiness, good, and righteous intimacy for us. If you are simply self-condemning oversomething, rather than bringing it to ABBA, your not in the right spirit. The Spirit will teach and bring to our attention what we need to address, not the teachings of man, and a silence and fearfulness to speak, when we should "come boldly before the throne YAH."

So, even thought it is embarrassing, Mechanical-Human Intellect Intellect yocto bring your fantasies before our Father, because He will surely reveal with you, as He did with me, things you need to work on. You try to pray away masturbation and fantasy because you fear ABBA'S condemnation, rather than expecting His guidance, teaching, and mercy.


My Beother has done a similar thing with anger hiswwhile life: praying for his "anger to be removed" from him. ABBA said to him as a little child, "Find out why you're angry", but it is now, after so many years, he is slowly looking to see. and it is now that we have come to realize that he was angry because he was afraid, and that health issues (hormonal imbalance and possible poisoning) may be playing a role in his overwhelming outbursts.

You can't simply condemn the problem, be sorry for something you don't fully understand, pray it away, and hope it doesn't come back. ABBA wants to speak with you, even about your deepest, most intimate, hidden, and secret things that trouble you, and grow you in a deeper, more intimate, open relationship with Him. The Devil wants it bottled up inside as a festering thing, rather than removed at the root of the problem.

There is far more to this story than, "oh, my flesh made me sin! I am dirty, now! Better wipe it off with prayer!" Simply condemning yourself in thought, emotion, affection, desire, and interest is putting you in the rut you are trapped in. Actually bring it up, and talk it out with ABBA instead of just tossing all your movies, video games, and opinions in the trash, only to regret it without respect or understanding of anything deeper than "Cake is evil! Cake brings pleasure! Pleasure is EVIL!!!" I and many Christian's have feared over the matter of "pleasures of this world" as being anything enjoyable. This is blasphemy. YAH said, "wine is good", but we condemn its existence when the Creator made it.

Stop condemning the Creation for being made!

YAH made sex! YAH made man and woman to yearning one another. And that desire/yearning begins before marriage, or we would all be only friends, and no one would marry, at all, neither have nor desire/yearn for sex!

Can I please urge you to seek professional counselling to repair and mend the damage and hurt inflicted by those failed relationships and awful experiences? You've mentioned that you're taking sex therapy sessions but given that you're not in a sexual relationship, I think counselling would be more beneficial.

I've prayed for you and I will continue to pray but please you need to do your bit and seek professional help so that God can break through these barriers and complete His repair to your soul and spirit. God wants your faith and relationship with him flying along in 6th gear, like I said earlier, He wants you happy, loved, fulfilled and totally satisfied with Him through the workings of His Holy Spirit in your life. Maybe He thinks to Himself, it's not good for Yannee to be on her own; maybe He's got someone lined up, someone who can share with you and work in partnership, each enjoying and edyfying each other, a three way relationship with God!

A sex therapist, per misunderstandings in general, is not for those simply in sexual relationships. They are specialists in sexualtherapy. This includes therapy for rape victims, those molested, breast cancer, and much more. I am seeing a "sex therapist" not a "sex counsilor" who is one that advises on sexual and romantic practices. My therapist covers social relationships and normal stuff the same as a "regular therapist, as well as sexual traumas. Sexual trauma is often seen as too difficult to address by a general therapist, especially when severe, so I was recommended to go up from someone with an M.D. to someone with a P.H.D.

A sex counsilor or a marriage councilor is more like a Bachelors, unless they are a specialist. There are many, many divisions, general occupations, specializations. In metaphor: A medical professional can discuss your health, A doctor can prescribe for your health, but not all doctors can perform surgery for your health. I am seeing a therapeutic equivalent of a surgeon, instead of my former theraputic doctor (and current prescriber), and a counsilor is only a nurse.

You tell us that you've made a vow of celibacy. Can I refer you to the story of Jephthah in Judges 11:29-40. Most scholars are of the view that Jephthah sacrificed his daughter's virginity and never saw grandchildren, rather than some sort of gruesome ritual sacrifice that would have broken God's law. Note his daughter chose to respect and abide by her father's oath but I believe that had she not, God would not have held her to it or punished her. In the same way, if you made a vow of celibacy as a defence mechanism to try and overcome the injuries and hurt caused to you, God would surely understand and forgive you for breaking that vow. This is what Jesus says about celibacy -

But He said to them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”
Matthew 19:11‭-‬12 NKJV

In other words, it may well be that you're not cut out for a life of celibacy, in which case God does not want you to make yourself miserable trying to be something that you're not, just as He said to Jesus about Adam before creating Eve -
And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” Genesis 2:18 NKJV

I still need help discussing this, so how about the matter of the *1st human sacrifice* be discussed in here, or another thread? And the matter of what a covenant is, and how or if it is kept, and if it can be repented of etc.

In summary, please do whatever you can with God's help to repair the wounds inflicted upon you. Please do not allow masturbation to define you, there is so much more that awaits you, blessings, joy, wisdom, witness, knolwedge and experience to name but a few. Please move on and leave this behind you.

I love you so much sweet sister, I just want you to stop hurting and trying to get by and start to enjoy. May God bless you richly. Feel free to IM me if you want to chat more.

I would like to note, again, that I am not trying to "let masturbation define me", as I once did, and as many, even you, do, but to see it for what it is, and search diligently to understand, as well (get you understanding -- Paul, from the Bible).

The main reason I do it is because it medically heals me from Proctalgia Fugax, a form of Leviator's Annie's Syndrome, and possibly more. Dilation Therapy, which *can* be performed without orgasm, is a legitimate therapy used to treated a multitude of medical conditions. I have some links, but if I leave this page, I might lose something, so I can post after.

I feel no correction, other than to avoid inappropriate exposure of my research in public, over Dilation Therapy, which I am now pursuing in fulness, medically, rather than on my own as masturbation. So, this is not masturbation, but it is extremely sexual, because it is treatment of the sexual organs for disorders. It is sound, proven, and been done and prescribed, alongside masturbation, for thousands of years. So, I will see if this route is better, as I feel no offense in the Spirit about it, but a clarity, and relief.

Although, it is expensive, and many of these companies now support Transexual Transitioning with new products they have developed. The healthy sexual therapies have existed for decades from before my birth, and have helped women with cancer treatment, menopause, vaginismus, preparation for the wedding night when there are size accommodation issues, and more.

"If it is good, praiseworthy, noteworthy, of good report, think on these things." I have to lie to say there is no good in this therapy, simply becaus eit is sexual and involves my "dirty bits", which the Lord washed clean. Lying is a sin. My contention: If I have to lie to condemn something, I am sinning worse than the one I condemn, and my Gospel is not in Messiah, Who is the Truth.

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Dear Lord God, my poor poor sister is struggling and trying to overcome. She needs a double helping of your wonderful amazing Holy Spirit, giving her wisdom to deal with her isses, a real peace knowing that she's dearly loved by the most powerul and loving God in Heaven and Earth. We both know that you want Paul's reassurances in Romans 8:28 to be realised in us but sometimes we hinder the fulfilment of that promise with the baggage that we came to you with when we first believed. Please Lord, deal with or help Yannee to overcome her hurt. I pray dear Lord for a drenching of blessings upon blessings on my lovely dear sister.

Thank you God that we can come to you, lay out our wants and requests and we can rest on the knowledge that you're onto it wanting to give us our hearts desires just so long as we desire you, and Lord, we do.

Thank you, thank, thank you dear God.

Amen.

Amen. Thank you.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I would have said it with a disclaimer:

[Intention] I would like to get to know you better. [Disclaimer] I know that we have people of various faiths on here. [Consent] May I ask with what you identify? [Deeper thought-provoking inquiry, with acknowledgement of variances, but without intimidation for either party] Are you Christian, and if so, which denomination do you adhere to? Moreover, to which books and Testaments do you found your faith upon? Is it the entire Bible, Old, or New Testament, and what else?


I naturally **** people off. So, I had to learn this, at some point: everyone's beliefs are political.

You don't have to ascribe to their system, but you do have to tread with caution.

Thanks for the reply. Love and God bless.

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

I am literally asking for you to clarify what you meant by your question, as I cannot tell as to what I said that you are referring to, even now. Please, I am still asking you, now, what are you asking me about?

I, Born Again, am Saved from sin. That was the majority of the quote you used.

I am struggling with the concept of, -- and discussing in this thread --, what place masturbation does or does not have, and why, if it is allegedly a sin, it is not mentioned neither inferred in the Bible, so far as I and countless scholars have found; and why is there not a solid argument against it, with many being false and perverting scripture, outright willfully dismissive of single people especially, presumptuous of thoughts and beliefs of those doing it, or weak and founded on language without context or historical root and translation. Is no one else disturbed by this, at all!?

Other ones that get to me:
Pedophilia -- also not mentioned outright!?
Gambling -- not mentioned outright, either!?

These cause confusion for many Christian's, and must be understood in context.

Ex:
Casting of lots wasused to put and end to arguments and resolve matters, not for wasting of money, game playing, or addictions without honest work. While I know folks who justify gambling, it is condemnable under sins named, such as idolatry, love of money, bribery and gift giving, lying and manipulation, slothfulness, etc.

Is staying unclothed in God's most holy presence as Adam and Eve did, a sin? If it's not, why should masturbation be considered a sin?

 

[Yennee]

Sorry this took all day.

So, it would seem to me that I am being told that I should ignore all of this, when I am told masturbation is a sin, in absolution, and without variance.

)))

I found one against pedophilia in the Bible!

Judah had 3 sons: 1 wicked, struck dead by ABBA. 2 refused to to raise up seed unto his brother, but took his wife to wife, lay with her, but pulled out to ejaculate upon the ground. 3 WAS TOO YOUNG to marry, so the woman returned to her father's house until he was old enough. When SHE SAW that he was old enough, and she was not summoned to be his wife... she got herself pregnant by Judah.

There was a clear understanding of age and development that was apparent for adulthood in both males and females!! Historically, menarche (1st menstruation) and wet dreams (1st ejaculation). Also, (I'd have to find it again....) menarche used to be, for thousands of years, from 16 to 19, averaging 18. Then, the Industrial Revolution happened, and it began to drop.

Further:

does sexual assault affect menarche - Google Search

YES IT DOES!!

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Home - IPPS

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Vaginal Dilator Kit: The Four Part Guide by Kathe Wallace

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How To Use a Vaginal Dilator

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Vaginal Dilators: Uses, Types, and Tips for Use

For people with a ****** who experience pain with intercourse or penetration, vaginal dilators can be an effective form of therapy. We explain what they are, why they're used, how to use them, and more.

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Vaginal dilator

A vaginal dilator is a plastic or silicone form. It comes in many sizes. It is often about 4 inches long and varies in width.

uihc.org

This is an especially notably good one!:

Vaginal Dilators: A guide for health care professionals

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Helps with:

Dilators For Vaginismus: Progressive Dilator Therapy | Soul Source

Vaginismus is the involuntary spasm of a woman's pelvic floor muscles which surround the ****** that can be relaxed by progressive dilator therapy.

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Menopause
Vaginal Stenosis
Dyspareunia
Vulvodynia
Muilerian Agenesis
Postpartum Pain
Post-surgical vaginal swelling
Internal trigger point therapy (Vaginal Dilator Techniques by Kathe Wallace)
_ Preparation for virginal intercourse when either the ****** is restrictive/restricted/restricting or otherwise *exceptionally* tight and/or the espousing man's ***** is quite big, as well as other complications
endometriosis
Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser (MRKH) syndrome
Imperforate hymen
Vaginal septum
vaginitis
uterine fibroids
irritable bowel syndrome
endometriosis
injury from childbirth




P.S. While most of the sites out there don't mention it, men also benefit from Dilation Therapy.

Prostate Cancer treatment
Premature Ejaculation
Constrained Urethra (small/narrow urethra) Dilation with sounds
Erectile Dysfunction



Gender Neutral Conditions:

Pelvic Radiation Therapy
Chemotherapy
_ Healing after Anal Fischer (tearing) surgery or other treatments
_ Retraining after an all liquid diet for an extended period of time
_ Rectal surgery
_ Incontinence
_ Bowel Retention Training Therapy
_ Urinary Retention Training Therapy
_ Rape Therapy to promote familiarity and comfort with penetration without demand for performance, and possible pain that may arise through trauma
_ Molestation Therapy
_ Irritable Bowel Syndrome, and other immunological upsets that cause conflict between the bowels and the reproductive system -- personal experience: I have to poo, even repeatedly, if I get aroused, wake, am about to eat, finished eating, happy anxiety to see someone or other joy, nervous anxiety, spooked, panic, terror, trauma, and more. My bowels will go into overdrive to cast out (literally) every single thing I had in the last 24 hours or even 3 days, with the exception of breakfast I just put in. Happened. To varying severities, more than once. Dilation can help the muscles relax, and identify sexual response as something other than a diuretic, from that of rectal responses. The excessive evacuation nearly always only occurs when aroused and unoccupied by muscular pressure in the ******. Still looking into this. I am connecting with medical and physical therapeutic professionals to find answers.

Admittedly, though, I have come to rely on light arousal to act as an assist when constipated, because the other things that physicians recommend either don't work, hurt me badly, or work so well I have felt I could die, and I could have, at least from dehydration due to diarrhea.

 

[Yennee]

Alright, I have warn you once, you single young strong as a Bull, She single that aroma start flying and “Satan”. Not demons and not The Flesh, But “Satan” cast That “Star Dust” in The Air! You will be Booking A Flight to “Alaska” on a missionary Trip! And I did say “ Missionary” Or Sending a Plane Ticket coming east!
Let me tell you, Satan got some stuff in His Bag for your flesh, you ain’t Never Felt before, you and her!

strap you down with those spiritual hand cuffs, tie your feet down, blow in your ear, he make your toes curl, and That Honey will start flowing from those kisses from those smooth lips! Too Late! You Will Call on “Jesus” loud, but To Late! Stay away from Her Door and go No Where near Her House!

This is The Second Time I have Warn you!

You might Think you have encounter The Wilds of SATAN!

You never Met “CUPID”! And He Got Flying Arrows!

That Mythology! Is Real but That is Not his real Name!

Are you calling me a ***** as Delilah?

I am literally a virgin apart from 1 rape (by our actual dog, at 10 or 11!), I have been wholly chaste. I have not dated, kissed, held hands, or even sat across a table to eat with a possible romantic partner or gone to the movies. Fact. I am scared and panic over the very idea of actually having any degree of romantic interactions with a man, as it is foreign to my very existence and negligent, violent, abusive upbringing.

I struggle to even have close friends. I have my Brother, and my passerby and online brothers and sisters in Christ, with some friendly folk along the way. I would do no such things as you have said, neither allow them; that is not right, neither what YAH wants for me!


I'll needs be praying for you; you're clearly ill.