Mid trib fleeing of Israel

rodd · Jan 29, 2014

eddieb,
The women in Chpt 12 is ethnic Israel, after the Antichrist puts an end to their sacrifices and offerings at the midway point of the last seven some Jews will come to understand they've been duped and will believe Jesus must have been their Messiah, the antichrist will try to destroy them also because they to come to saving faith, but are not included in the rapture as this is just after the time of rapture.
Therefore they are shielded from harm in the time of wrath, the remnant we see in chpt 7.
See Daniel 9:27.

Rod.

Eric E Stahl · Jan 29, 2014

eddieb said:
are you saying there will be more than one "rapture"?

and once we start talking about the thousand year reign i get lost real quick. not that I dont believe it to be so just I dont really understand that part. and it does kinda bug me because my granddaddy was a preacher and I heard him preach on that several times as a little boy but my mind just has never wrapped around it.

There is only one rapture of the Church age saints. But there are 5 times when saints are redeemed from the earth and rewarded.

After the judgment of the survivors of the tribulation in
Matthew 25:31-46 the righteous people will live on earth and repopulate it in the kingdom.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Isaiah 65:17-25 describes the conditions on earth.

17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

NoHype · Jan 30, 2014

rodd said:
The scene in chpt 4 is John in heaven witnessing the act of Christ winding up what the bible calls this present evil age, which allows for the spirit of restrain to be lifted, and the final acts that lead into the tribulation to begin, the first 4 seals.
I believe the first two have happened, the 'War on Terror 'as it's termed.

The Rev.4 vision is of the time of Christ's future Millennium reign with His elect. Only then are the 'crowns' shown there handed out, i.e., the rewards, and then His elect rule with Him for the "thousand years" of Rev.20.

Rev.14 & 15 gives the same pattern that's in Rev.7 about the two groups, the 144,000 elect Israelites, and the "great multitude" that come out of great tribulation. Rev.15 even reveals that great multitude overcame the beast and his mark, etc., meaning they went through... that great tribulation, not having escaped it. Both Rev.14 & 15 groups sing the songs, showing they both belong to Christ's elect that will reign with Him in the future Millennium.

Also, the seven Spirits of Rev.4:5 is a reference to Christ Jesus upon His throne, because Isaiah 11 reveals those seven Spirits are about Christ. And we know Jesus does not sit upon His throne until He returns (Matt.19:28; Matt.25:31; Luke 1:32). At present our Lord Jesus is sitting at the right hand of The Father's throne in Heaven (Hebrews 12:2). David's throne is an earthly throne, not a Heavenly one.

The 144,000 are sealed by The Holy Spirit, which is always in relation to faith on Christ Jesus. That's what God's sealing of His servants is about per Apostle Paul (Ephesians 4:30). Even the OT saints were called 'saints' because of their Faith per Hebrews 11, and per Bible history that has always involved God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ.

But I realize where the ideas of men come from that will even claim those 144,000 Israelites are "tribulation saints" while refusing to recognize them as believers on Christ Jesus. Those ideas began in 1800's Great Britain, especially among the Darby crowd and pre-trib secret rapture theorists. Their ideas simply are not written in God's Word at all. When our Lord Jesus comes to gather His Church from the earth, it will include all... of His Church at the same time, both from Heaven and from the earth, as written, because that especially is what the 1 Thess.4, Matt.24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scripture is about for after the tribulation.

rodd · Jan 30, 2014

Sorry NoHype," War on terror," and the actions and results thereof, was meant to be prophesy Rev 6:2-4, these have had a rolling reformation to the state of play in the middle east and elsewhere, preparing for the antichrist, laying the pathway to the last 7years of Daniel.

Also,If we go through the last 42mths of wrath, then then why does the eagle in Rev 8:13 declare a curse of woe upon all the inhabitants of the earth, I thought we were blessed by God not cursed to experienced Gods wrath. I thought that was the whole meaning of Jesus's passion for us?

NoHype · Jan 30, 2014

rodd said:
Sorry NoHype," War on terror," and the actions and results thereof, was meant to be prophesy Rev 6:2-4, these have had a rolling reformation to the state of play in the middle east and elsewhere, preparing for the antichrist, laying the pathway to the last 7years of Daniel.

Also,If we go through the last 42mths of wrath, then then why does the eagle in Rev 8:13 declare a curse of woe upon all the inhabitants of the earth, I thought we were blessed by God not cursed to experienced Gods wrath. I thought that was the whole meaning of Jesus's passion for us?

You're confusing Satan's time of wrath upon the saints for the coming tribulation with God's wrath which only will occur on the day of Christ's return. It's God's wrath that we do not experience, which is the specific wrath Apostle Paul was referring to in 1 Thess.5.

Do not you not recall how Elijah commanded through God for fire to come down and burn up the fifty men that came to sieze him in 2 Kings 1? Not only did it happen once, but twice, and Elijah was right there in front of them and the fifty were burned up from fire coming down out of Heaven.

What about the fire Elijah prayed for God to bring down and burn wet wood upon a stone altar, and and the water in the trench around the altar, in front of the Baal prophets and people to show Who The God actually is? (1 Kings 18).

What about Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego who were cast into the hot firey furnace heated seven times hotter than necessary, and a fourth man was see in the fire among them that had the likeness of The Son of God, and they came out of it without their clothes even smelling of smoke? (Dan.3).

God's consuming fire is never... a threat to us who belong to Him and His Son Jesus Christ! His Fire is just a gentle comforting for us!

But for the wicked, His Word is certain, it will consume the wicked to ashes and they shall be no more. Even in Rev.20:9 we are shown how God's elect upon the earth when Satan is released one more time after the thousand years to come upon that camp of the saints, God rains fire down to burn them up preserving His.

Why are so many brethren weak as little kittens about that event of God's consuming fire that will happen on the last day of this world when that wrath from God is not for us?!? We do not... have to go anywhere, for we are who inherit this earth from The Father and His Son. And never should we confuse His Protecting Fire over us that will be upon the wicked.

rodd · Jan 30, 2014

I'm not saying things are going to be easy for the first 42mths, it's obvious by scripture some will be imprisoned or killed as it states in the 5th seal, after that little time of waiting, the 42mths, we are raptured, but it isn't going to be nice. The third horseman is economic disaster the black horse, that is very soon.
As I've written that year is now upon us, the peace treaty will be signed this year and we'll be in the last seven.
The generation 70yr prophecy is true and literal.

God Bless and thanks for writing. I understand you equating those OT experiences of the prophets, but we're talking finishing times of the Gentiles and the revealing of the spirit realm to unbelieving mankind.

NoHype · Jan 30, 2014

rodd said:
I'm not saying things are going to be easy for the first 42mths, it's obvious by scripture some will be imprisoned or killed as it states in the 5th seal, after that little time of waiting, the 42mths, we are raptured, but it isn't going to be nice. The third horseman is economic disaster the black horse, that is very soon.
As I've written that year is now upon us, the peace treaty will be signed this year and we'll be in the last seven.
The generation 70yr prophecy is true and literal.

God Bless and thanks for writing. I understand you equating those OT experiences of the prophets, but we're talking finishing times of the Gentiles and the revealing of the spirit realm to unbelieving mankind.

I don't believe the main trials upon us will start until right after the mid point, when the Antichrist sets up the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem demanding all to bow in false worship. The OT prophets serve as a blueprint for that also, because Daniel's and his fellows trials didn't come until Neb setup the golden image commanding all to bow in worship. Likewise for the end, I believe we will be given a choice to bow or not.

The first 1260 days is divided up into two periods based on the 2300 days of Dan.8:13-14. That's when the league or pact will be made in Jerusalem, the temple built and sacrifices start up again, all in that first 1260 day period. So the only false worship then will be what the orthodox Jews will be doing there in wanting to re-establish the Old Covenant worship and with trying to draw the nations into it.

But at the mid point, when those sacrifices are ended by the Antichrist, and he places the abomination in that temple, that is when our real trials and being delivered up will start, because of refusing to bow in worship to the Antichrist or his idol beast image. That's what the latter 1260 days half will be about. It's that latter half that our Lord Jesus shortened.

In 1 Cor.10, Apostle Paul showed how the events of the OT serve as ensamples for us at the end of this world. So understanding about those events in the Old Testament, especially the prophets, relate directly to the events of the end. Peter basically said the same thing in 2 Pet.3, for us to be mindful of what the OT prophets were given to write.

God Bless you too, and I hope your Bible study is blessed.

rodd · Jan 30, 2014

NoHype,

I could put it this way, the old prophets were Jews, it will only be the selected remnant Jews that see the image and experience the fire of Gods Tribulation wrath. Because it's only at that time, God reveals to them of the deception and that Jesus must have been their Messiah.

If the third seal destroys the dollar standard and the digital system is introduced we will have persecution inside of the first 42mths.
And with the requirement to conform to get along in peace mainly owing to this fake war on terror, we'll be forced to comply to accepting all religions as valid and adjust our preaching accordingly or else!
Then there's what I see as "the great falling away", the pressure the secular wants to apply to evangelical Christians, It will be unlawful to preach or teach against homosexuality very soon I think, in fact they'll force us to state approval.
This will polarise Christians into two camps, the naysayers and the go along group, for the former there will be various penalties imo.

So I see the potential of strong persecution in the first 42mths on the Christian church, as AC goes about creating the global environment to his liking, look no further than Pope Francis the Jesuit.

Then there's the pale horse that follows the black, I think that reveals how devastating the effect will be, famine and disease in the Western world. I don't think we can fathom the devastations the bible alludes to as Satan prepares his last stand. As I've said, get ready for these things to happen. Daniel states it will come like a flood, meaning very quickly, almost before time to think about it.

I'd like to communicate further as we see these things begin,

Rod.

Eric E Stahl · Jan 30, 2014

rodd · Jan 30, 2014

Rev 6:8

I believe that 1/4 will be the western quarter, our comfortable part of the world, I believe they're preparing us for an epic financial collapse that will necessitate the new mark money system. It's planned and contrived, these things just don't happen in and of themselves, there's long term strategies going on here.
It's very near, it's the 3rd seal scenario so it's due any time. It's the west that's going to suffer the effects to a greater extent than anywhere as we're so dollar dependent for survival.
When the dollar loses it's global reserve status western currencies will plummet. I'm guessing that's the way it'll go.

Rod.

Eric E Stahl · Jan 30, 2014

rodd said:
Rev 6:8

I believe that 1/4 will be the western quarter, our comfortable part of the world, I believe they're preparing us for an epic financial collapse that will necessitate the new mark money system. It's planned and contrived, these things just don't happen in and of themselves, there's long term strategies going on here.
It's very near, it's the 3rd seal scenario so it's due any time. It's the west that's going to suffer the effects to a greater extent than anywhere as we're so dollar dependent for survival.
When the dollar loses it's global reserve status western currencies will plummet. I'm guessing that's the way it'll go.

Rod.

Daniel 11:39KJV antichrist will do his will in the most strongholds. He will come to power in America because America has heard the truth of the gospel and rejected Jesus so God will send us strong delusion to believe the lie of the antichrist 2 Thessalonians 2:6-12.

America is the daughter of Babylon and future home of antichrist because this is where the Jews are when god tells them to get out of the daughter of Babylon when the Russian Jews are going home Zechariah 2:6-7 KJV

America will be dark when God sends a permanent solar eclipse on Israel when the sun scorches men Revelation 6:8-10. Habakkuk 3:11-13

eddieb · Jan 31, 2014

rodd said:
Rev 6:8

I believe that 1/4 will be the western quarter, our comfortable part of the world, I believe they're preparing us for an epic financial collapse that will necessitate the new mark money system. It's planned and contrived, these things just don't happen in and of themselves, there's long term strategies going on here.
It's very near, it's the 3rd seal scenario so it's due any time. It's the west that's going to suffer the effects to a greater extent than anywhere as we're so dollar dependent for survival.
When the dollar loses it's global reserve status western currencies will plummet. I'm guessing that's the way it'll go.

Rod.

What I am hearing the plan is... is to kill the dollar, let the chaos play out, somewhere in there install martial law, using hunger as a weapon, this way when all the homeland security and police forces who have been militarizing show up to "keep the peace" they will seem like "good guys". there is also a multitude of youtube videos of people going onto "fema camps" where they show thousands of stackable plastic containers just the right size for a casket. They even have smaller children sizes too. I saw another video where the concrete boxes you put caskets into are already being installed in the ground by the thousands. in the video it was not possible to count them. these "fema camps"(these are high security prisons) are strategically placed around large cities all over the country. you can search online and find maps with blips showing where they are located. I have also heard from military personnel once martial law is implemented they will go door to door kick in your door and confiscate your weapons and there will be some kind of law put in place outlawing guns(possibly international law). they also are speaking of mandatory vaccinations at road blocks and if you refuse you get the vaccine you are loaded on a bus and taken to one of these "camps" Also military personnel report paper work talking about enforcing us to wear some sort of bracelet however the bracelet must be old tech by now because they say there is a paper thin almost invisible microchip implant attached to the document. Training drills of u.s. and foreign troops from all over the world have been going on for awhile to disarm american citizens.
My guess is if they cant kill the dollar they will just do a false flag attack. If you have been paying attention several nukes went missing off a military base a while back, i believe it was in texas. I have also seen evidence that foreign military vehicles used to carry chemical weapons agents in are on US soil and being stored on fenced and gated land that is owned by private companies but citizens and media sources are told it is US customs. There are signs that say names of private company names on these places. Plus all the ammo the government has been buying up. and I have also seen many contracts for weapons and ammo from russia and even for troops from russia to be deployed by the thousands if we have some sort of "unrest" break out. I could go on for a lot longer but I think this is enough for you to investigate for yourself and draw your own conclusions. oh yea also check out all the UN documents like agenda 21 and just look on their websites.
I am hoping its all a big conspiracy but hey look on the bright side if its not... we get to go be with The Lord.
seeing how this sounds kinda gloomy I dont want to end this post like this so I will say all this had bothered me for a while and I wont lie I was afraid and I am not the type to fear much of anything, but when i had prayed about it pouring out my heart to God about possible troubled times ahead and how my life was not doing as well as I would like, He told me to "Be still and know that I am God" and when he said it he took away my fears and anxieties about this and gave me peace. It is well with my soul. Do not fear them that can kill the body only.

rodd · Jan 31, 2014

eddieb said:
What I am hearing the plan is... is to kill the dollar, let the chaos play out, somewhere in there install martial law, using hunger as a weapon, this way when all the homeland security and police forces who have been militarizing show up to "keep the peace" they will seem like "good guys". there is also a multitude of youtube videos of people going onto "fema camps" where they show thousands of stackable plastic containers just the right size for a casket. They even have smaller children sizes too. I saw another video where the concrete boxes you put caskets into are already being installed in the ground by the thousands. in the video it was not possible to count them. these "fema camps"(these are high security prisons) are strategically placed around large cities all over the country. you can search online and find maps with blips showing where they are located. I have also heard from military personnel once martial law is implemented they will go door to door kick in your door and confiscate your weapons and there will be some kind of law put in place outlawing guns(possibly international law). they also are speaking of mandatory vaccinations at road blocks and if you refuse you get the vaccine you are loaded on a bus and taken to one of these "camps" Also military personnel report paper work talking about enforcing us to wear some sort of bracelet however the bracelet must be old tech by now because they say there is a paper thin almost invisible microchip implant attached to the document. Training drills of u.s. and foreign troops from all over the world have been going on for awhile to disarm american citizens.
My guess is if they cant kill the dollar they will just do a false flag attack. If you have been paying attention several nukes went missing off a military base a while back, i believe it was in texas. I have also seen evidence that foreign military vehicles used to carry chemical weapons agents in are on US soil and being stored on fenced and gated land that is owned by private companies but citizens and media sources are told it is US customs. There are signs that say names of private company names on these places. Plus all the ammo the government has been buying up. and I have also seen many contracts for weapons and ammo from russia and even for troops from russia to be deployed by the thousands if we have some sort of "unrest" break out. I could go on for a lot longer but I think this is enough for you to investigate for yourself and draw your own conclusions. oh yea also check out all the UN documents like agenda 21 and just look on their websites.
I am hoping its all a big conspiracy but hey look on the bright side if its not... we get to go be with The Lord.
seeing how this sounds kinda gloomy I dont want to end this post like this so I will say all this had bothered me for a while and I wont lie I was afraid and I am not the type to fear much of anything, but when i had prayed about it pouring out my heart to God about possible troubled times ahead and how my life was not doing as well as I would like, He told me to "Be still and know that I am God" and when he said it he took away my fears and anxieties about this and gave me peace. It is well with my soul. Do not fear them that can kill the body only.

Unfortunately I must agree that this stuff actually sort of parallels the first 4 seals, of which I've stated the first two have happened and continue to work their global effect.
The black and pale horses would have that sort of effect enabling a quick transformation to authoritarianism, if it's contrived these things would be on the ready, it would make sense.

I'll have a look at a couple and tell you what I think.

Rod.

rodd · Jan 31, 2014

Eric E Stahl said:
Daniel 11:39KJV antichrist will do his will in the most strongholds. He will come to power in America because America has heard the truth of the gospel and rejected Jesus so God will send us strong delusion to believe the lie of the antichrist 2 Thessalonians 2:6-12.

America is the daughter of Babylon and future home of antichrist because this is where the Jews are when god tells them to get out of the daughter of Babylon when the Russian Jews are going home Zechariah 2:6-7 KJV

America will be dark when God sends a permanent solar eclipse on Israel when the sun scorches men Revelation 6:8-10. Habakkuk 3:11-13

IMO, America is the last stronghold of evangelical Christianity, most of us in Australia have a lot of respect for the efforts of Christian Americans to educate the world on the Christian faith. Including me.
I don't believe God is angry with America any more than with Australia. He deals with us as individuals.

NoHype · Jan 31, 2014

rodd said:
NoHype,

I could put it this way, the old prophets were Jews, it will only be the selected remnant Jews that see the image and experience the fire of Gods Tribulation wrath. Because it's only at that time, God reveals to them of the deception and that Jesus must have been their Messiah.

If the third seal destroys the dollar standard and the digital system is introduced we will have persecution inside of the first 42mths.
And with the requirement to conform to get along in peace mainly owing to this fake war on terror, we'll be forced to comply to accepting all religions as valid and adjust our preaching accordingly or else!
Then there's what I see as "the great falling away", the pressure the secular wants to apply to evangelical Christians, It will be unlawful to preach or teach against homosexuality very soon I think, in fact they'll force us to state approval.
This will polarise Christians into two camps, the naysayers and the go along group, for the former there will be various penalties imo.

So I see the potential of strong persecution in the first 42mths on the Christian church, as AC goes about creating the global environment to his liking, look no further than Pope Francis the Jesuit.

Then there's the pale horse that follows the black, I think that reveals how devastating the effect will be, famine and disease in the Western world. I don't think we can fathom the devastations the bible alludes to as Satan prepares his last stand. As I've said, get ready for these things to happen. Daniel states it will come like a flood, meaning very quickly, almost before time to think about it.

I'd like to communicate further as we see these things begin,

Rod.

If you follow the Mark 13 parallel with the seals, you should discover the 3rd and 4th seals are about the time Jesus called the "beginning of sorrows".

But the 5th seal parallel is with the next Mark 13:9 verse about those of us who will be delivered up to give a Testimony against them for Christ.

I see the 3rd seal as already having started for some time now. The balances are about commerce, and weakened economies (high price for bread of the 3rd seal). I believe the oil and wine is not to be hurt because it's symbolic of God's Truth for His that are sealed for the end. I believe that dividing line between those sealed and those not sealed has been going on for some time now, and will continue to become greater, which is the Mark 13:12 events.

On the 4th seal, we're shown one on the pale horse named "Death". That is another title for Satan himself. And it says hell followed with him, but to where? Well, where does Rev.12:7 forward show that Satan and his angels are cast down to after the war in Heaven with the Archangel Michael? Michael is the one withholding Satan in Heaven now, the actual one Paul was inferring to in 2 Thess.2. Thus I believe the 4th seal has to do with Satan's release to our earthly dimension, with his angels (hell followed with him).

Then on the 5th seal is our being delivered up to his host on earth.

If they go about killing us, it will have to be in secret from the rest of the world's view. That because Satan is coming to play Messiah, and the majority of the deceived world would not fall for that if they saw him going around slaughtering Christ's servants in the open.

Per the Daniel prophecy about that coming false one causing craft to prosper and destroying using peace, and what Paul warned in 1 Thess. 5 about the "Peace and safety" idea, for the deceived they will not be harmed until the time of the "sudden destruction" on the Day of The LORD. That coming false one is going fix the woes of the deceived when he comes, and he will create world peace on this earth as much as believable to try and show that Christ's Kingdom has come literally on the earth.

This is why with 'us' who know who it is coming as the pseudo-Christ, they will think to isolate us from the rest of the population, because of our knowledge and understanding about that by The Holy Spirit and His Word will be a threat to that false one's fake peace and fake reign in Jerusalem.

This 4th seal event of Death coming a pale horse and hell following with him parallels the events of the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period in Rev.9 and thereafter to Rev.11:12. That's the countdown to Christ's return with the last trumpet last woe. That's also the timing of God's two witnesses given to prophesy in Jerusalem for 1260 days. We know the end of their 1260 days ends with the same hour the 7th trumpet sounds. So... all we need do is count backwards 1260 days to know what event aligns with Daniel's mid point. It's with that 6th trumpet - 2nd woe, and that 4th seal.

That's why I believe the "beginning of sorrows" time is already started and will continue up to the time time when Death comes on a pale horse and begins the 2nd woe period, and the start of the last 1260 days with God's two witnesses.

We also were told this about the time the "dragon" will rule...

Rev 13:3-8
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

That event points to "Death" coming on the pale horse to heal that deadly wound that will be upon one of the seven heads of the beast kingdom (world government). Could be the globalist's intentional destruction of the economies and structure of the nations will be the "deadly wound" that this "dragon" will come to heal using peace and prosperity. I think you're aware of the purpose for that, so that Antichrist will be able to claim he is God and cause the majority to believe it, and thus bow in worship to him.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Like our Lord Jesus said, as long as we hear of wars and rumours of wars, don't be troubled for the end is not yet. No more wars on earth signals the dragon is ruling on earth.

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

There it is, the dragon is to have power to reign for 42 months, the same amount of time as the last half of Daniel's "one week", and the same time amount equal to God's two witness' prophesy in Jerusalem. That's a direct pointer to the time we will be delivered up in the last half of the 7 years. How can we be sure of this?

If his power to do that of Rev.13:5 forward was at the start of the first half of Daniel's "one week", his power to continue would not last for the latter half, i.e., 1260 days or 42 months. That's why Antichrist's reign with persecuting the saints will be in the latter half, or last 42 months of the "one week".

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

The latter 42 months period of Daniel's "one week" is when he will do that. The deceived won't know that's what he does above, but we will know by his claim to be God and demand that all worship him.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

OK, there's another link to that latter 42 months half. That's when he will war with us, in the latter half of the "one week". That's when he will place the abomination idol and demand that all nations bow in worship.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
(KJV)

Of course we will not bow in false worship to that dragon who comes in place of our Lord Jesus. Our names are written in that Book of Life is why.

rodd · Jan 31, 2014

Have to reply later only thing, when the 3rd and 4th seal come it will be instant ,ruinous and mortifying, but there have been little signs like paying the Nat Debt of late.
These are false, more of the lying work it's do like this to give the impression it's not contrived but it's a sign it's soon, very soon.
It will be Satan's work and effect on the people for the money mark etc, it's not the wrath of God because he's been taken out of the way.(the holy spirit of restraint)

I'll catch up. Blessing to you.

Eric E Stahl · Jan 31, 2014

rodd said:
IMO, America is the last stronghold of evangelical Christianity, most of us in Australia have a lot of respect for the efforts of Christian Americans to educate the world on the Christian faith. Including me.
I don't believe God is angry with America any more than with Australia. He deals with us as individuals.

God will judge those Americans that heard the gospel and the Australians and everyone who rejected Jesus. But those who never heard the truth will have a second chance after the rapture.

NoHype · Feb 1, 2014

Eric E Stahl said:
God will judge those Americans that heard the gospel and the Australians and everyone who rejected Jesus. But those who never heard the truth will have a second chance after the rapture.

Those who weren't given the chance to hear and believe The Gospel during this present world, and then are given chance to hear and believe during Christ's future thousand years reign, that will actually be their 'first chance'. Really no such thing as a second chance.

rodd · Feb 1, 2014

NoHype,

Revelation 13:3-8, the beast who suffered the deadly wound yet was healed was Pope John Paul 2, that's what happened to him, and the whole world followed him it says. Which it did.
I believe Francis is the false prophet, soon he will build a statue of the beast JP2, it's why he wants to make him a saint quickly, JP2 is the beast out of the earth. Notice where it says he exercises the same authority, talking about Francis, meaning they're both of the same ecclesiastic authority, and he makes the whole world worship the beast.
Can only be the Catholic popes and they have the history.

NoHype · Feb 1, 2014

rodd said:
NoHype,

Revelation 13:3-8, the beast who suffered the deadly wound yet was healed was Pope John Paul 2, that's what happened to him, and the whole world followed him it says. Which it did.
I believe Francis is the false prophet, soon he will build a statue of the beast JP2, it's why he wants to make him a saint quickly, JP2 is the beast out of the earth. Notice where it says he exercises the same authority, talking about Francis, meaning they're both of the same ecclesiastic authority, and he makes the whole world worship the beast.
Can only be the Catholic popes and they have the history.

It's easy to find in the world many events that 'seem'... to fit the parameters of Bible prophecy, but it's also easy to tell when not all parameters fit. Per Rev.13, the specific beast that suffers the deadly is upon one of the seven heads of the first beast, a kingdom beast since Rev.13: links it to the beast symbols of Dan.7. The Antichrist then comes to heal that deadly wound within the same era of the very end of this world. Thus Pope John Paul II didn't fit all that, nor any other pope of history. Jerusalem is the key, not Rome.

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