NEW HEAVEN/NEW EARTH - THE ETERNAL HOME OF EVERY SAVED BELIEVER IN CHRIST JESUS

[Brother-Paul]

What do we think the New Earth will be like?

What do we think we will see?

What do we think we will be able to do?

Will there be rivers and water on the new earth?

Will there be mountains and hills?

Will there be day and night on the New Earth, we know the Holy City will be light 24 hours a day?

Some people are frightened of talking about heaven, some people think we will sit on clouds strumming a harp. No wonder they think it will be boring.
From the discussions we have had so far it doesn't seem boring to me.

What do you think the New Earth will be like?

Blessings

 

[Sue D.]

I'm thinking that the New Earth will be like the original garden of Eden,

We'll have glorified bodies like Jesus had when He was resurrected.

We're given an at least partial description of it in Revelation 21 and 22.

But there will never be another serpant / devil / satan to mess it up.

 

[newname]

Oh yes no cars. Easy when you have to cross the street. Oh fabulous. No waiting for a stop sign and run quick. These things here it's 2 seconds or so.
No time? No hurry? That'll be weird.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Oh yes no cars. Easy when you have to cross the street. Oh fabulous. No waiting for a stop sign and run quick. These things here it's 2 seconds or so.
No time? No hurry? That'll be weird.

Are you saying you think there will be roads?

No hurry I like that :smile:

 

[B-A-C]

Isa 35:8; Rev 21:21;

 

[newname]

Are you saying you think there will be roads?

No hurry I like that :smile:

and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass

 

[Brother-Paul]

I'm thinking that the New Earth will be like the original garden of Eden,

We'll have glorified bodies like Jesus had when He was resurrected.

We're given an at least partial description of it in Revelation 21 and 22.

But there will never be another serpant / devil / satan to mess it up.

In the Garden of Eden there was two rivers and the Tree of Life, in the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, will be one river coming down from the Throne of Grace, there will be trees of life each side of the river, each bearing twelve fruits, one for each month of the year.

But these items described are in the New Jerusalem, we know the twelve gates will never be closed, we are now walking out to explore the New Earth.

We will have Glorious bodies, how wonderful that will be sister, but what do you think the New earth will be like?

God gives us inquisitive minds, He has left the gates of the city open, although we will be in awe in the Holy City, there will come a time when we will no doubt want to see all God's creation, so we explore the New Earth.

It is an interesting topic, it will not have answers, but we know enough about what God created for Adam and Eve, what He created and wanted for us, the New Earth will be glorious, what do we thing will be there and what may we do.

Anyone for a picnic?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Isa 35:8; Rev 21:21;

Revelation refers to the Holy City, the New Jerusalem

Revelation 21:21 (NKJV)
21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.

Isaiah 35:8 (NKJV)
8 A highway shall be there, and a road, And it shall be called the Highway of Holiness. The unclean shall not pass over it, But it shall be for others. Whoever walks the road, although a fool, Shall not go astray.

Here are all 10 verses in Isaiah 35 a worthy read.
The Glorious Kingdom Will Be Established

Isaiah 35:1-10 (NKJV)
1 The wilderness and the wasteland shall be glad for them, And the desert shall rejoice and blossom as the rose;
2 It shall blossom abundantly and rejoice, Even with joy and singing. The glory of Lebanon shall be given to it, The excellence of Carmel and Sharon. They shall see the glory of the LORD, The excellency of our God.
3 Strengthen the weak hands, And make firm the feeble knees.
4 Say to those who are fearful-hearted, "Be strong, do not fear! Behold, your God will come with vengeance, With the recompense of God; He will come and save you."
5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, And the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
6 Then the lame shall leap like a deer, And the tongue of the dumb sing. For waters shall burst forth in the wilderness, And streams in the desert.
7 The parched ground shall become a pool, And the thirsty land springs of water; In the habitation of jackals, where each lay, There shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
8 A highway shall be there, and a road, And it shall be called the Highway of Holiness. The unclean shall not pass over it, But it shall be for others. Whoever walks the road, although a fool, Shall not go astray.
9 No lion shall be there, Nor shall any ravenous beast go up on it; It shall not be found there. But the redeemed shall walk there,
10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, And come to Zion with singing, With everlasting joy on their heads. They shall obtain joy and gladness, And sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

Thank you brother.

 

[Brother-Paul]

and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass

This is inside the Holy City, a beautiful site, we will be in awe.

But the Holy City has twelve gates that are never closed, we have now moved out of the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, that came down onto the New Earth, we are discussing together now what the New Earth may be like.

Bless you

 

[newname]

This is inside the Holy City, a beautiful site, we will be in awe.

But the Holy City has twelve gates that are never closed, we have now moved out of the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, that came down onto the New Earth, we are discussing together now what the New Earth may be like.

Bless you

I think there will be streets, cause they're in the New Jerusalem, but not all gold I think. Lot of nature. I hope my bunnies go there. They're used to living on a balcony. They'll have a blast.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I think there will be streets, cause they're in the New Jerusalem, but not all gold I think. Lot of nature. I hope my bunnies go there. They're used to living on a balcony. They'll have a blast.

We have so much to be grateful for here on earth.

We have so much to look forward to, all the promises, all we will inherit, yet we are not worthy. But that is not all the icing on this glorious cake is that we will also be with Jesus. \o/

Amazing Love my friend, Amazing Love.

I believe nature will be amazing also, the birds, the bees, the flowers, the trees, everything PURE, including the air, so sin, no pollution, no thorns or thistles,
When God finished what He had created, He said 'It was Good!' If He feels it is good I am sure we will be amazed my friend.

 

[B-A-C]

Revelation refers to the Holy City, the New Jerusalem

You've differentiated this a few times, so I have to ask. (There is no right or wrong answer) I am simply curious.
The title of this thread is...

NEW HEAVEN/NEW EARTH - THE ETERNAL HOME OF EVERY SAVED BELIEVER IN CHRIST JESUS

It seems that this is our only two choices? Do you believe that? What ... "about" ... the New Jerusalem? Will it not be a home of believers also?
Now some believe the New Jerusalem will become heaven in a sense. God will have a throne there. We are told told God's throne is in heaven.
But on the other hand we are told the New Jerusalem comes down "out" of heaven. So perhaps heaven is a different place.

A final thought here. Jerusalem is not heaven. There will be a new earth, a new Jerusalem, and a new heaven. Are two of these places the same place?
.. or are these three differently unique places? Some believe the New Jerusalem will rest upon the face of the Earth, others believe it will float above the
Earth, perhaps like the moon. Some believe the New Jerusalem will take the place of the Sun and the moon.

Rev 21:23; And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Rev 21:24; The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.
Rev 21:25; In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;

So the question is... are we not allowed to speculate about the New Jerusalem? Is it not an option?

 

[Brother-Paul]

You've differentiated this a few times, so I have to ask. (There is no right or wrong answer) I am simply curious.
The title of this thread is...

NEW HEAVEN/NEW EARTH - THE ETERNAL HOME OF EVERY SAVED BELIEVER IN CHRIST JESUS

It seems that this is our only two choices? Do you believe that? What ... "about" ... the New Jerusalem? Will it not be a home of believers also?
Now some believe the New Jerusalem will become heaven in a sense. God will have a throne there. We are told told God's throne is in heaven.
But on the other hand we are told the New Jerusalem comes down "out" of heaven. So perhaps heaven is a different place.

A final thought here. Jerusalem is not heaven. There will be a new earth, a new Jerusalem, and a new heaven. Are two of these places the same place?
.. or are these three differently unique places? Some believe the New Jerusalem will rest upon the face of the Earth, others believe it will float above the
Earth, perhaps like the moon. Some believe the New Jerusalem will take the place of the Sun and the moon.

Rev 21:23; And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Rev 21:24; The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.
Rev 21:25; In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;

So the question is... are we not allowed to speculate about the New Jerusalem? Is it not an option?

Greeting brother,

When we started to discuss The Current Heaven, in another thread, so many quoted the New Heaven/New earth, that is probably because commentaries go straight to the New Heaven/New Earth, we stuck with it and kept pulling the discussion back to topic. It was an important thread.

then this thread was started to discuss the New Heaven/New Earth and New Jerusalem, but the same happened and many times the discussion drifted and had to be pulled back to topic. That is what I recently did again, and there was a reason.

The New Jerusalem, is Zion, it is the Church, it has been built, is being built in the Current Heaven and will come down as John tells us in Revelation 'onto' the new earth.
The New Jerusalem in the Current Heaven is being built up until all the Names in the Book of Life and the Lamb are complete, it also includes items from the first Paradise, The Garden of Eden, in particular the Tree of Life. All these and the items discussed will come down 'onto' the new earth.

So when we look at scripture, already quoted, we see the elements mentioned in John's Revelation, the New Heaven and the New Earth, notice that scripture quotes from creation of the Heaven(s) and the earth, here we are told the New Heaven (singular) and New Earth. We are also told that the New Jerusalem 'comes down on to' the New Earth. So we do not just have the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, where there will be no need for light from the sun or moon, because Jesus is the Light, we also know there will be a New Earth, which God has created, replacing the old sinful, cursed world, all things made new.

So if God has created a New Earth and the gates of the New Jerusalem are open at all times, God expects us to explore His Creation, and as the New earth is the continuation of the old, without sin and curse it is natural we will want to explore it, is it not.

The main point I am aiming at here is that people don't just thing New Jerusalem, God created the New earth also.

We are told what is in the New Jerusalem, and as you say, the most popular verse at all funeral services (told to saved and unsaved!) is that God has many mansions, many room, Jesus would not have said if it wasn't true, He has gone to prepare a place for us. This is referred to in the 1500 mile north to south, 1500 mile east to west, 1500 mile New Jerusalem.

But if we are to step outside the New Jerusalem, through one of the 12 gateways on to the New Earth, we can try imagine from what scripture tells us, what the New Earth will be like. There are many scriptures to help us, we will be able to build homes, etc. If Paradise, the Garden of Eden, is far better in the New Jerusalem, the tree of life in Eden, loads of them either side of the river in the New Jerusalem, each having different fruits 12 months of the year. If the new one is far better as we have seen, the New earth will be far better also. No sin, no Curse, no pollution, etc.

It is important, I think, to look at what scripture says together about the New Jerusalem, and know which scriptures are related to the New Jerusalem and which are related to the New Earth and clearly see the difference, as we did when we looked at the difference between the Current Heaven and now the New Heaven, our Eternal Home, which includes, the New Jerusalem, the New Earth, and that when the New Jerusalem came down 'onto' the New Earth it brought God back with man.

Fulfilling, O Come, O Come, Emmanuel, God with us, as it was in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve before the fall.

Our Eternal Home is not just the New Jerusalem, it includes the New Earth that the New Jerusalem came down onto.

Blessings

 

[Sue D.]

@Brother-Paul --when I was commenting about being like the garden of Eden -- I meant generally speaking. -- you're talking about a New earth -- Rev 21 : 1 "Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away . And there was no more sea. vs 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

It almost sounds like the New Jerusalem being brought down by God from heaven is going to be like the capital / throne room of God. It's doors only being closed at night. So there's going to be a kind of new garden of Eden for all to enjoy. We're told how the original was Before the fall .

 

[B-A-C]

The New Jerusalem, is Zion, it is the Church, it has been built,

I don't know if I agree with this totally, but that isn't really my point. I'm OK with that.
Back to the title of this thread. ...THE ETERNAL HOME OF EVERY SAVED BELIEVER...

It is possible that those places won't be the eternal home of every believer?
It is possible some people will never go to heaven... ver... but they will go directly to the New Jerusalem. .. and even if they do go to heaven for a short time...
it won't be their "eternal home".
Also is it possible, some people may go there for a while (the New Jerusalem isn't here yet) but when the New Jerusalem comes... that will be their eternal home.
...also is it possible, some believers will neither go to heaven or the New Jerusalem? But dwell on the new earth as their eternal home?

 

[Sue D.]

@B-A-C -- there are a Lot of things that are Possible but that we won't know until we get there. Don't you think that God wants us to be surprised by just a few things. Don't we sort of trust God that what He has for us is more wonderful than we can imagine? We enjoy speculating and can learn a Lot from Scripture -- that's why God has given His Word To us.

And, some of what you've shared I've never thought about. Never occurred to me.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@Brother-Paul --when I was commenting about being like the garden of Eden -- I meant generally speaking. -- you're talking about a New earth -- Rev 21 : 1 "Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away . And there was no more sea. vs 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

It almost sounds like the New Jerusalem being brought down by God from heaven is going to be like the capital / throne room of God. It's doors only being closed at night. So there's going to be a kind of new garden of Eden for all to enjoy. We're told how the original was Before the fall .

No problem Sue, we are just discussing these things and bringing our scripture to show us what it says regarding the topic. I am not a mechanic, I don't take things to pieces to see how they work then put them together again, I was a building surveyor, I always start from the earth, the foundations and built up knowledge from the bottom up. I guess it could be said to be like the thinking of a mechanic, except they strip things down to rebuild the same, I start with the Word, from the bottom upwards.

So when you refer to 'will the new earth be like the Garden of Eden, I start with the Garden of Eden, them compare what it says there to what we are told the New Jerusalem and new earth will be like.

Scripture first tells us about the New Jerusalem, it says that the Tree of Life will be in it, in fact many more will be there. Now reading this it tells me at this stage that Paradise which was lost, the Garden of Eden, will be in the Holy City. Does this mean the new earth will be like the Holy City, i.e. Trees of life on the new earth, scripture does not say so.

So what do we know about the new earth, it will be a replacement, a continuation, of the current earth, made new, no sin, no curse, no thorns and thistles etc.

Now stepping back to the Garden of Eden, did Adam and Eve have access to the whole earth from there? if they did we could say that it is possible the new earth could be like the Holy City. I love the way with scripture one part reflects another, the images in one show us a reflection of the other, one question leads to a similar question in another place in The Word. God wants us to explore scripture, he gave us inquisitive minds, he created the earth we are on and everything on it and said 'it was good'. We see the New Jerusalem and compare it to the Garden of Eden, God has added so many things for us, so it is understandable, I think, with our inquisitive minds, God gave us, will give us, as we are a continuation from hear to there, providing we are saved, I am sure the new earth will also have more in store for us. We can imagine and nor be certain, but by imagining based on scripture new doors open to further Truth.

Taking your last comment Sue,

- The gates will be open all the time, never locked.

- it doesn't just sound like Sue, scripture is clear in John's Revelation, the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, will come down from the Current Heaven, where it is presently being created and prepared ready, it will come down from the Current Heaven onto the New Earth, linking God with man, man with God. Restoring all things, back to the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were created and placed in the garden, God was with them, God will be with us sister, how wonderful will be. And there will be no need for light in the Holy City, Jesus is the light that will shine at all times.

All these scriptures have been added before, if you want me to include them in this post please say it is not a problem.

Posted in Love

 

[Brother-Paul]

I don't know if I agree with this totally, but that isn't really my point. I'm OK with that.
Back to the title of this thread. ...THE ETERNAL HOME OF EVERY SAVED BELIEVER...

It is possible that those places won't be the eternal home of every believer?
It is possible some people will never go to heaven... ver... but they will go directly to the New Jerusalem. .. and even if they do go to heaven for a short time...
it won't be their "eternal home".
Also is it possible, some people may go there for a while (the New Jerusalem isn't here yet) but when the New Jerusalem comes... that will be their eternal home.
...also is it possible, some believers will neither go to heaven or the New Jerusalem? But dwell on the new earth as their eternal home?

Greeting brother,

We continue to pray to the one who knows the answers, and ask Him to reveal the Truth in the Word to us, to God be the Glory, Jesus is Lord. Amen

Rather than add replies to your question at this stage, could I also add, for consideration and discussion as all posts are added this way.

I am now going to add 'What if?'

What if the Garden of Eden was not physical, what if it was spiritual?

This would mean that the New Jerusalem that comes down onto the New Earth would also be spiritual, could it be?

I add this consideration for thought and discussion, let scripture and the Holy Spirit guide our hearts and minds.

I am not going further on this subject at this stage, I feel maybe it is one of those things that could be left on the burning, remain in the task list for another time.

There has been a few items in this study that I have not come across before, I notice Sue also said the same, as always brother let scripture speak.

Bless you

 

[B-A-C]

What if the Garden of Eden was not physical, what if it was spiritual?

This would mean that the New Jerusalem that comes down onto the New Earth would also be spiritual, could it be?

Anything is possible. I'm not sure I can prove otherwise.
But we are given some clues to where the garden would have been physically. (and may still be)

Gen 2:8; The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed.
Gen 2:9; Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:10; Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers.
Gen 2:11; The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.
Gen 2:12; The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there.
Gen 2:13; The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.
Gen 2:14; The name of the third river is Tigris; it flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
Gen 2:15; Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.

The Tigris and Euphrates still exist today. No one knows exactly where the other two rivers were (are)?

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I tend to believe the New Jerusalem will be a physical place.
Sometimes the Bible uses metaphorical language like... "If anyone opens the door, I will come in a dine with him". Is this a physical door? I don't think so.
But it the case of the New Jerusalem we given a multiple of physical details. How wide, how high, how long, how think the walls are,
the materials some things are made of (pearl gates, gold streets, etc..) how thick the walls are. This is a lot of physical detail and dimensions that
I don't believe would be given if this was a spiritual place only.

Back to something Sue said earlier, and I forgot about it. You also alluded to something similar.
In Gen 2:15; above God put man in the garden... "to cultivate and keep it". Is it possible that instead of lying around on clouds playing harps.
We will actually be working.

When Jesus comes back, it won't be a secret event. It won't only be the Christians who will know.

Rev 1:7; BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

This tells me it won't be a "spiritual only" event. Some say where it says "those who pierced Him" means this was Jesus's resurrection and it already happened.
If this is the case, the rest of us are in trouble. But also Revelation was written years after Jesus ascended back into heaven, so this cannot be true.

Finally I would ask.. it "east" a spiritual or physical direction?

Gen 2:8; The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed.

Rev 21:13; There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Anything is possible. I'm not sure I can prove otherwise.
But we are given some clues to where the garden would have been physically. (and may still be)

Gen 2:8; The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed.
Gen 2:9; Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:10; Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers.
Gen 2:11; The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.
Gen 2:12; The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there.
Gen 2:13; The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.
Gen 2:14; The name of the third river is Tigris; it flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
Gen 2:15; Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.

The Tigris and Euphrates still exist today. No one knows exactly where the other two rivers were (are)?

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We know there was two rivers running through the Garden of Eden, interesting in the New Jerusalem there is only one.

I tend to believe the New Jerusalem will be a physical place.
Sometimes the Bible uses metaphorical language like... "If anyone opens the door, I will come in a dine with him". Is this a physical door? I don't think so.
But it the case of the New Jerusalem we given a multiple of physical details. How wide, how high, how long, how think the walls are,
the materials some things are made of (pearl gates, gold streets, etc..) how thick the walls are. This is a lot of physical detail and dimensions that
I don't believe would be given if this was a spiritual place only.

I think you hit the nail on the head brother, the New Jerusalem surely has to be physical, and the specific dimensions are usually the key. (I think)

Back to something Sue said earlier, and I forgot about it. You also alluded to something similar.
In Gen 2:15; above God put man in the garden... "to cultivate and keep it". Is it possible that instead of lying around on clouds playing harps.
We will actually be working.

I was hoping as we progressed onto the new earth the following scripture would show...

Isaiah 65:21 NKJV
They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

We shall build, inhabit, plant and eat. For some this may sound to much like work, I do not think we will see it as work or experience it as work, not as we do now any way. It will be a joy.

When Jesus comes back, it won't be a secret event. It won't only be the Christians who will know.

Rev 1:7; BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

This tells me it won't be a "spiritual only" event. Some say where it says "those who pierced Him" means this was Jesus's resurrection and it already happened.
If this is the case, the rest of us are in trouble. But also Revelation was written years after Jesus ascended back into heaven, so this cannot be true.

Amen brother, there will be no excuse we will be lost or saved, no gulf between, no wall or hedge, not even a line. One could say the outcome is black or white, it certain will be a dark day for many.

Finally I would ask.. it "east" a spiritual or physical direction?

Gen 2:8; The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed.

Rev 21:13; There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west.

I think may be some one else could answer this I have not studied this topic, but it is an interesting one that crops up from time to time, but my other studies have been more important at that time.

You have mentioned two verses regarding the East, there are many, we know the wise men came out of the East when Jesus was born, we see scripture saying, as far as the est is from the west. But I do have a feeling it may be down to the rising of the sun.

We see the New Jerusalem verse starts with the East wall.

Revelation 21:12-13
12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed—13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates.

Most places of worship (Church buildings) are built with the alter facing East, the rising Son, comes up over the alter. I think this could be mainly RCC, Church of England and I think Orthodox churches. This just about covers all I have picked up on this subject, hopefully our brothers and sisters will will in a few more details.

Could be another topic brother, I guess it depends how much information there is on the subject.

We can always reply on your comments brother, and you include the scriptures to back what you say, I wish everyone would do so, but we are all different.

Bless you