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Rather than pick from the comments above and make several replies I have instead chosen to include a commentary explanation of the 'Weeks' in Daniel.

The Prophet Calendar.

Instruction: Discovering God's timetable (Dan. 9:20-27)


We don't know at what time of day Daniel began to pray, but he was still praying at the time of the evening burnt offering, which was about 3 o'clock in the afternoon. He was living in Babylon but was still measuring time by Jewish religious practices! His body was in Babylon, but his mind and heart were in Jerusalem. Had the temple been standing and the priests still officiating, this would have been "the ninth hour" when the lamb was offered as a burnt offering (Ex. 29:38-41; Acts 3:1; 10:30). It was one of the three occasions during the day when Daniel set aside time to offer special prayer to the Lord (Dan. 6:10; Ps. 55:17). This was also the time when Ezra the scribe prayed for God to forgive the sins of the Jewish remnant that had returned to the land (Ezra 9:5). There is a sense in which prayer is seen by God as a spiritual sacrifice to Him (Ps. 141:1-2).

While Daniel was praying, the angel Gabriel came swiftly to him, interrupted his prayer, touched him, and spoke to him. Daniel had met Gabriel before after seeing the vision of the ram and the goat, and Gabriel had explained its meaning to him (Dan. 8:15ff). Now the angel had come to explain to Daniel what God had planned for Jerusalem, the temple, and the Jewish people. The phrase "fly swiftly" (v. 21) has given rise to the idea that angels have wings and fly from place to place, but arrows, bullets, and missiles fly swiftly and don't have wings. Angels are spirits and therefore don't have bodies (Ps. 104:4; Heb. 1:7). When they appear to humans, they take on temporary human form. The angelic creatures seen by Isaiah (Isa. 6:2) and Ezekiel (Ezek. 1:6, 8, 11) did have wings, but they were special creatures performing a special ministries. The niv translates the phrase "in swift flight"and makes no mention of wings.

The seventy "weeks" (Dan. 9:24). The word "weeks" means "sevens," so Gabriel was speaking about seventy periods of 7 years, or 490 years. Keep in mind that these years relate specifically to Daniel's people, the Jews, and their holy city, Jerusalem. In his prayer, Daniel's great concern was that his people be forgiven their sins against the Lord, the city be rebuilt, and the temple be restored (v. 16); and these are the matters that Gabriel will discuss. To apply this important prophecy to any other people or place is to rob it of its intended meaning.

Gabriel explained that during those 490 years, the Lord would accomplish six specific purposes for the Jewish people. The first three have to do with sin and the last three with righteousness. The Lord would "finish the transgression," that is, the transgression of the Jewish people, and "make an end of" Israel's national sins. This was one of the main burdens of Daniel's prayer. Israel was a scattered suffering nation because she was a sinful nation. How would the Lord accomplish this? By making "reconciliation for iniquity," that is, by offering a sacrifice that would atone for their sin. Here we come to the cross of Jesus Christ, Israel's Messiah.

When Jesus died on the cross, He died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2; John 1:29), and therefore we can proclaim the good news of the Gospel to sinners everywhere. But He also died for the church (Eph. 5:25) and for the people of Israel. "For the transgression of my people was he stricken" (Isa. 53:8). Jesus died for sinners in every tribe and nation (Rev. 5:9; 7:9), but in a very special way, He died for His own people, the Jewish nation (John 11:44-52).

The last three divine purposes focus on righteousness and the future kingdom of Messiah. When Jesus returns, He will establish His righteous kingdom (Jer. 23:5-6; 31:31-34) and rule in righteousness (Isa. 4:2-6). In that day, the Old Testament prophecies of Israel's glorious kingdom will be fulfilled, and there will be no need for visions or prophets. "To anoint the most holy" refers to the sanctifying of the future temple that is described in Ezekiel 40-48.

These six purposes declare the answers to Daniel's prayer! Ultimately, Israel's sins will be forgiven (Zech. 12:10-13:1), the city of Jerusalem will be rebuilt, and the temple and its ministry will be restored, all because of the atoning death of Jesus Christ on the cross. All of these wonderful accomplishments will be fulfilled during the 490 years that Gabriel goes on to explain. He divides the seven sevens—490 years—into three significant periods: 49 years, 434 years and 7 years.

Period [HASH=3220]#1—49[/HASH] years (Dan. 9:25). During this period, the Jews will rebuild the city of Jerusalem in troubled times. The key issue here is the date of the decree. This is not the decree of Cyrus in 538 permitting the Jews to return to their land and rebuild their temple (Ezra 1; Isa. 44:28), because the emphasis of this decree is on the city of Jerusalem. While some students opt for the decree of Artaxerxes in 457, sending Ezra to Jerusalem (Ezra 7:12-26), that decree also emphasized the temple and its ministry. The decree of Daniel 9:25 is probably that of Artaxerxes in 445 authorizing Nehemiah to go to Jerusalem to rebuild the walls and restore the gates (Neh. 2:5-8).

Period [HASH=3221]#2—483[/HASH] years (Dan. 9:26). Gabriel affirmed that 483 years are involved from the giving of the decree to the coming of "the Anointed One, the ruler" (7 x 7 = 49; 7 x 62 = 434; total = 483). When you count 483 solar years from the year 445, you end up with A.D. 29/30, which brings us to the time of Christ's ministry on earth. But this Anointed One, the Christ, will not be permitted to rule; for His people cried out, "We have no king but Caesar" (John 19:15). "We will not have this man to reign over us" (Luke 19:14). The Messiah will be "cut off, but not for himself ("and will have nothing," niv). This speaks of His rejection by the Jewish nation (John 1:11; Luke 13:33-35) and His crucifixion as a criminal, turned over to the Roman authorities by His own people and one of His own disciples. But He died for the sins of the world, including the sins of the Jewish nation.

We know that Jesus arose from the dead and returned to heaven. He sent the Holy Spirit to empower His people to bear witness to the whole world (Acts 1:8), beginning in Jerusalem (Luke 24:46-53). But the same nation that allowed John the Baptist to be slain and asked for Jesus to be crucified went on to persecute the church and themselves kill Stephen (Acts 7). In A.D. 70, the prophecy in Daniel 9:26 was fulfilled when the Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, and the Jewish nation was scattered. The Romans are "the people of the prince that shall come," and that prince is the future Antichrist that Daniel described as "the little horn" and the blasphemous king (7:8, 24-25; 8:23-27). This takes us to the third period.

Period [HASH=3222]#3—[/HASH]7 years (Dan. 9:27). The pronoun "he" refers to "the prince that shall come" (v. 26), this is, the Antichrist. We are now in the final seven years of the prophetic calendar that Gabriel gave Daniel, the period that we know as "the Tribulation" or "the day of the Lord." While the world has always known wars and desolations (Matt. 24:3-24), the end of the age will introduce a time of terrible suffering that will climax with the return of Jesus Christ (Rev. 6-19; Matt. 24:15-35).

The event that triggers this last seven-year period is the signing of a covenant between the Antichrist and the Jewish nation. At this time, the Antichrist is a key political figure in Europe—one of the ten toes of the image in Daniel 2, and the "little horn" who emerges from the ten horns in 7:8, 24ff—and he has the authority and ability to end the "Middle East problem." He covenants to protect the Jews from their enemies, probably so they can build their temple and restore their sacrifices. The spiritually blind Jewish leaders, ignorant of their own Scriptures, will gladly enter into the covenant. "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me," Jesus told the Jewish leaders of His day; "if another comes in his own name, him you will receive" (John 5:43, nkjv).

After three and a half years, the Antichrist will break the covenant, seize the temple, and put his own image there, and will force the world to worship him (2 Thes. 2; Rev. 13). This is the "abomination of desolation" (Dan. 11:31; 12:11, nkjv) that Jesus spoke about that marks the midpoint of the Tribulation period (Matt. 24:15; Mark 13:14). The "man of sin" and "son of perdition" (2 Thes. 2:3) who up till now has deceived the world by playing a shrewd political game will now reveal himself as a tool of Satan and a cruel world dictator. Christ will defeat him when He returns to establish His kingdom (Rev. 19:11-21).

The strange parenthesis. Whether Daniel understood all that he heard is not revealed to us, but Gabriel's message assured him that the nation of Israel would be restored to their land, the city of Jerusalem and the temple would be rebuilt, and God would make provision for the cleansing of the nation. But Gabriel didn't tell Daniel what would happen between the sixty-ninth and the seventieth "weeks." Between Daniel 9:26-27 there is a strange parenthesis. Why?

Because this prophecy has to do with the Jews, the Jewish temple, and the city of Jerusalem (v. 24). But the period of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks has to do with the church, the body of Christ, which was a mystery God had hidden in Old Testament times and didn't reveal until the time of Christ and the apostles (Eph. 3:1-13). Daniel wasn't told that the rejection and death of the Messiah would bring about a new thing, a spiritual body that would include Jews and Gentiles and in which all natural differences would be unimportant (Eph. 2:11-22; Gal. 3:22-29). One reason the Jewish legalists opposed Paul was because he put Jews and Gentiles on the same level in the church, and the traditionalists wanted to maintain the "superiority" of the Jews as revealed in the law and the kingdom prophecies.

Some of the prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27 has already been fulfilled, and the rest will be fulfilled in the end times. We are today living in the age of the church, when Israel has been partially blinded and temporarily set aside (Rom. 9-11). Like Paul, we must have a heart concern for the Jewish people, pray for them, and seek to share the Gospel with them. Gentile believers have a debt to the people of Israel (Rom. 15:24-27) because they gave us the knowledge of the true and living God, the inspired written Scriptures, and the Savior, Jesus Christ.

Taken from: Bible Exposition Commentary - Be Resolute (Daniel).

Although there may be some disagreement with some parts in the commentary the reason for adding this commentary is for the explanation of the 70 weeks, and the 3 sections in this period, lading to the last period of 7 years

Peace be with you.
 
@saginon -- for one thing it was the Roman soldiers who did the crucifying. And why would the crucifixion of Jesus Christ be an abomination? An abomination is a 'something' that God hates. Jesus Christ came into this world To die on that cross for our sins. At the very time of His death -- He was taking all of our sins upon Himself so that God had to turn away from His son.


Thank you for your post Sue D.

Your comments are spot on, the abomination that causes desolation. (Scripture says 'Let the reader understand)

Mark 13:14-23 (NKJV)
14 "So when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not" (let the reader understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
15 Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house.
16 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.
17 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
18 And pray that your flight may not be in winter.
19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
21 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, He is there!' do not believe it.
22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.


After three and a half years, the Antichrist will break the covenant, seize the temple, and put his own image there, and will force the world to worship him
(2 Thes. 2; Rev. 13).

This is the "abomination of desolation" (Dan. 11:31; 12:11, NKJV) that Jesus spoke about that marks the midpoint of the Tribulation period (Matt. 24:15; Mark 13:14). The "man of sin" and "son of perdition"

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NKJV)
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

who up till now has deceived the world by playing a shrewd political game will now reveal himself as a tool of Satan and a cruel world dictator.


Christ will defeat him when He returns to establish His kingdom (Rev. 19:11-21).


The temple is in the process Of being rebuilt or it soon will be in that process.


The Temple blue print is ready now.

The Temple will be built where the Dome on the Rock is now.

We wait the final twist in events, which will happen, and the 3rd Temple will be built.

Many may say at this point, it is a long way off, not in our life time I heard, this is wrong thinking, I am looking for the details I read, I think it was in Jewish News but am not sure, but I can share what it said. ALL of the materials are ready to build the Temple, ALL of them, for every part of the building are READY NOW. What was even more astounding is, they predict the new Temple can be built in approximately ten month, certainly under one year.

The Temple has to be built for 'the abomination that causes desolation' to be fulfilled, which will happen inside the Great Tribulation Period, the last three and a half years. Will the Temple start being built in the Tribulation Period, the first three and a half years, very probably, it is right to watch this space, but not at the expense of thinking there is a lot of time left. If the Rapture occurs before the Temple is started to be built, those looking ahead thinking it won't happen yet, will be like the 5 foolish virgins, we do not know the day or hour, Jesus makes it clear when he tells us to watch, to be ready, to keep our lamps full of oil.

Bless you
 
@saginon -- for one thing it was the Roman soldiers who did the crucifying. And why would the crucifixion of Jesus Christ be an abomination? An abomination is a 'something' that God hates. Jesus Christ came into this world To die on that cross for our sins. At the very time of His death -- He was taking all of our sins upon Himself so that God had to turn away from His son.

The temple is in the process Of being rebuilt or it soon will be in that process.

And what more would You have there being to it. I probably shouldn't ask.

@newname -- you've brought in 1Mac 1 -- that's not in the recognized canon of Scripture -- it's part of the Apocraphal books.
Christians have been saying the temple is in the process of being built for almost 50 years.

I don't know what you're asking here...
And what more would You have there being to it. I probably shouldn't ask.
Maccabees is a great book to learn from. Most so called bible scholars say, "Ultimately, it was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon." I disagree with that assumption. The canon was compiled by people, and people don't always get things right. The canon has changed several times since the early centuries and some even omitted the book of Revelation. Those who determined what book should - and should not be included knew there are several other books that are divinely inspired but were tossed out for what I would call 'stupid reasons.'

There should be 77 books in the bible - not 66.
 
Christians have been saying the temple is in the process of being built for almost 50 years.

Greetings

The Temple is not yet being built, but has been prepared, everything from the blue print to the materials are all prepared, and are ready and waiting.
 
Greetings

The Temple is not yet being built, but has been prepared, everything from the blue print to the materials are all prepared, and are ready and waiting.
Quote ONE scripture where we are told a temple would be rebuilt.
 
Quote ONE scripture where we are told a temple would be rebuilt.

As with so many things in scripture more than one verse reveals the Truth in the Word.

Matthew 24:15 (NKJV)
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

There has to be a Holy place for the 'abomination that causes desolation' to stand. This will be in the Temple, as the two previous ones were destroyed, the 3rd has to be built.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NKJV)
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


Paul indicated that one of the acts by, the man of sin, is that he will exalt himself... above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


Revelation 11:1onward (NKJV)
1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.

John was told to measure the Temple... Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.


Daniel 9:27 (NKJV)
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

The Prince who will be to come, confirms a covenant for the 70th Week in Daniel.

In the middle of this week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

This implies that a Temple in which sacrifice and offerings are made.


Daniel 12:10-13 (NKJV)
10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
13 But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days."


The daily sacrifice will be taken away and the abomination that causes desolation will be set up as prophesied.

This indicates that


Daniel 12:1 (NKJV)
1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

it will occur during a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation,

and a temple must be standing for these things to take place.

As the previous 2 Temples have been destroyed a new one will be built.

The Jews believe this, the materials for the New Temple have been cut, prepared and are ready.

Also for this to happen the Jews must be in the Promised Land, all this began slowly following the Balfour Treat in the early 1920', but mainly after the Second World war, and Israel was reborn, declared a state again on 15 May 1948. Prophesies fulfilled. First the Jews had to return, secondly the Temple has to be rebuilt where the Dome of the Rock stands, it is only time and time is short. It will happen.

Blessings
 
Christians have been saying the temple is in the process of being built for almost 50 years.

I don't know what you're asking here...

Maccabees is a great book to learn from. Most so called bible scholars say, "Ultimately, it was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon." I disagree with that assumption. The canon was compiled by people, and people don't always get things right. The canon has changed several times since the early centuries and some even omitted the book of Revelation. Those who determined what book should - and should not be included knew there are several other books that are divinely inspired but were tossed out for what I would call 'stupid reasons.'

There should be 77 books in the bible - not 66.



Having read up on the subject -- there are certain criteria that the books of the Canon had to meet in order to be included. Some of the books were historically correct but had other information included that were not of the same quality as the books that Have been included. And, in my own reading -- someplace I found a reference to the book of Jasher and wondered about that. The RCC Bible does have the Apocraphal books in it -- but not included in either Old Testament or New Testament , but in between.

The only Canon of Scripture I've ever been aware of is the KJV and the RCC Bible. And I've just looked it up again. There's a book I've gotten that tells about the development of the Bible. In the process of packing to get ready to move, a lot of books are not readily available because I've broken my ankle and am just now getting more mobile. But the process Of determining the books included in the Bible that's been around for a LONG time took a Long time. Hundreds of years. But the basics Of salvation / heaven and hell have been with us all along.

The Holy Spirit works in and through God's Word and , thus, in our hearts. At times, a person doesn't like to read God's Word Because it IS convicting.

And, yes, I would agree -- It Was God's leading in people as to what was or was not His Word.

There Were a series of New Testament books that were added at a later time. But 'we' Do have them Now.

It's Kind of like real money compared to counterfeit -- when a person takes time to read, study the Real thing -- the 'fake' is obvious. The counterfeit money Looks real , but people who handle money all the time can 'see' the difference.

You were going to expound on something ,,,,,

What we know as the Word of God IS different from other belief systems religious literature. It is unique. Because 'we' serve a Living Savior.
 
As with so many things in scripture more than one verse reveals the Truth in the Word.
And the truth is not ONE verse you've quoted indicates another temple will be rebuilt. It's difficult to respond keeping this short, but I'll try. You quote -
Matthew 24:15 (NKJV)
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
There has to be a Holy place for the 'abomination that causes desolation' to stand. This will be in the Temple, as the two previous ones were destroyed, the 3rd has to be built.
The holy place in Mathew 24:15 is not the Holy of Holies but simply the entire area surrounding temple.

According to Strong's...
1) place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space
a) an inhabited place, as a city, village, district
a place (passage) in a book

In Acts 6:13, Acts 21:28, and Mt. 24:15 two words are used for holy place (hagios and topos). Read those passages carefully and notice the context and you'll see clearly that those two words indicate 'the entire temple area', NOT specifically the Temple itself esp. NOT the inner court.

The only two places the Holy of Holies "one word" is used in the NT is Hebrews 9:25 and 9:12. It's clear that when one word is used for Holy place "hagion," it means the Holy of Holies.

So, when Jesus said the "abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" he's referring to the temple area which is now occupied by an abomination called the Dome of the Rock and Al aqsa mosque. That's probably why he said, "(whoever reads, let him understand)"

That holy place - or surrounding are of the temple, i.e. The dome of the Rock or Al aqsa mosque is where the Islamic man of sin will authenticate himself. He will NOT authenticate himself in a rebuilt Jewish temple. That thinking is why many believe the man of sin will be 'Jewish!"

You quote...
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NKJV)
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Look at these odd coincidences...

The word 'temple' in 2 Thes. 2 is 'naos' Strong's # 3485 and that word is the one used to imply a heathen temple.
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem,
2) any heathen temple or shrine.

This word NAOS is also used in the book of Acts to describe the temple that the idol stood in.

The word God in this verse is theos. The primary meaning of that word is of any god or goddess. It is also used to describe the one true God.

You can confirm that yourself here.

Even more compelling is when I looked at this in the Greek interlinear, the word "THE" is missing in the KJV but IS in the original Greek Interlinear, and the word GOD is capitalized twice and twice it's not.. (as well as other bible translations)

Daniel 9 and 2 Thes. 2 has misled people to believe in the rebuilding of a Jewish Temple where daily sacrifices can resume....only to have them cease again. Because of this verse, many interpret it that a Jewish anti-Christ will come.

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of THE God, shewing himself that he is God."

Since the primary meaning of the word 'Theos' is a god or goddess, and the word "TEMPLE" is "any heathen shrine or temple," and the word THE is NOT in the KJV but IS in the interlinear, the fact that interlinear capitalized the word God only twice when it's used FOUR times in the verse,...My conclusion is that this is how the verse should be presented....

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called god, or that is worshipped; so that he seats himself in the heathen temple (Dome of the Rock or Al'aqsa mosque) of THE God(Jehovah) as god,(Allah) showing that he is God.(Jehovah)

You quote...
Revelation 11:1onward (NKJV)
1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
John was told to measure the Temple... Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
You should have also quoted verse 2...

Those who worship there ...

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

John was instructed to measure the temple. "But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months." These 42 months, or 3 1/2 years, make up the time the Assyrian anti-Christ will trample on the holy city, Jerusalem, where an abomination currently resides fulfilling himself as the abomination.

Bottom line...
The 'abomination' will be set up in the outer courts, the court of the Gentiles located around the Dome of the Rock complex. NO passage in the bible indicates a temple needs to be rebuilt. The religious complex of the Dome or the outer court, or the Al'aqsa mosque is sufficient to fulfill end-time prophecy.

You quote...
Daniel 9:27 (NKJV)
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
The Prince who will be to come, confirms a covenant for the 70th Week in Daniel.
In the middle of this week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
This implies that a Temple in which sacrifice and offerings are made.
Daniel 9 was fulfilled at the cross. The covenant is the new covenant under his blood. I can cover this more another time because Daniel 9 is completely distorted passage by the dispensationalist and takes too much to cover it.

You Quote...
Daniel 12:10-13 (NKJV)
10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
13 But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days."
I'm not a believer in Daniel's 70th week and you need to know that the only passage where the word sacrifice is used by is in Daniel 9:27. In Daniel 8:11, 12, 13, 11:31, and 12:11, the word SACRIFICE IS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT! Every one of those verse are about the man of sin. It should be worded like this...

Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

I do accept Daniel 12:11 is future. So what is this 'daily' Daniel is talking about? This - is what he is saying will be taken away.
The daily sacrifice will be taken away and the abomination that causes desolation will be set up as prophesied.
This indicates that the Western Wall is destroyed.

You quote...

Daniel 12:1 (NKJV)
1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.
it will occur during a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation,
and a temple must be standing for these things to take place.
As the previous 2 Temples have been destroyed a new one will be built.
The Jews believe this, the materials for the New Temple have been cut, prepared and are ready.
Also for this to happen the Jews must be in the Promised Land, all this began slowly following the Balfour Treat in the early 1920', but mainly after the Second World war, and Israel was reborn, declared a state again on 15 May 1948. Prophesies fulfilled. First the Jews had to return, secondly the Temple has to be rebuilt where the Dome of the Rock stands, it is only time and time is short. It will happen.
People have been playing up the rebuilding of a temple for decades. Even if one is rebuilt, it will have nothing to do with the fulfillment of end-time prophecy.
 
@saginon

I believe, regardless of what any of us think to date, all true believers should always keep an open mind, constantly considering scripture with scripture as the Truth is always in The Word, we are told to search The Word, as we know some topics take longer to look into than others.

I will take time to read and look up the items you state above, at the end of that I may agree, I may not, I may agree in part, I may not, but it will not be today.

Every day is a school day, we never stop learning, that is until the day we die. Hopefully before then lost souls will come to Jesus.

Peace be with you.
 
NO passage in the bible indicates a temple needs to be rebuilt. The religious complex of the Dome or the outer court, or the Al'aqsa mosque is sufficient to fulfill end-time prophecy.
Revelations 11 is during the trib.
1 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers.
But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

I don't think God would call the dome of the rock the temple of God.
 
Revelation 11 occurs while John is in heaven. It's a chapter packed with substantial events like the two witnesses, the last trump, the judgment of the dead, the reward to His servants, and destruction of those who destroy the earth. From the 7th Trumpet onto the end of the book there are likely only 45 days left - no more delay/time. The purpose of the message isn't the temple, and certainly not a rebuilt temple. For one - if it was speaking of a rebuilt temple IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE HANDS OF THE GENTILES!

The intent of this message is NOT the Temple but the OUTER court which will remain desolate - in the hands of the gentiles until Jesus returns at the end of tribulation.
 
I do accept Daniel 12:11 is future. So what is this 'daily' Daniel is talking about? This - is what he is saying will be taken away.
This indicates that the Western Wall is destroyed.

Regarding... The daily sacrifice will be taken away and the abomination that causes desolation will be set up as prophesied.

Where is scripture does it say the Western Wall is destroyed.
 
Revelation 11 occurs while John is in heaven. It's a chapter packed with substantial events like the two witnesses, the last trump, the judgment of the dead, the reward to His servants, and destruction of those who destroy the earth. From the 7th Trumpet onto the end of the book there are likely only 45 days left - no more delay/time. The purpose of the message isn't the temple, and certainly not a rebuilt temple. For one - if it was speaking of a rebuilt temple IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE HANDS OF THE GENTILES!

The intent of this message is NOT the Temple but the OUTER court which will remain desolate - in the hands of the gentiles until Jesus returns at the end of tribulation.

It is the Jews that are planning for the rebuilding of the Temple.
 
Regarding... The daily sacrifice will be taken away and the abomination that causes desolation will be set up as prophesied.

Where is scripture does it say the Western Wall is destroyed.
When Jesus answered the disciples 3 part question...
1. When will these things be. (one stone upon one another)
2. What will be the sign of thy coming.
3. What will be the sign of the consummation of the age.

Jesus' reply started with, "see ye not all these things."

And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

All these things included the massive stones of the Western Wall. In other words, there is still one stone upon another that WILL SOON be thrown down.

Also, in every verse in Daniel 8:11, 12, 13. 11:31, 12:11 where "the daily" is mentioned it refers to the wall because SACRIFICE is NOT in the text, it was ADDED!
 
When Jesus answered the disciples 3 part question...
1. When will these things be. (one stone upon one another)
2. What will be the sign of thy coming.
3. What will be the sign of the consummation of the age.

Jesus' reply started with, "see ye not all these things."

And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

All these things included the massive stones of the Western Wall. In other words, there is still one stone upon another that WILL SOON be thrown down.

Also, in every verse in Daniel 8:11, 12, 13. 11:31, 12:11 where "the daily" is mentioned it refers to the wall because SACRIFICE is NOT in the text, it was ADDED!


Did you see in the news withing the last two months, one large stone fell out of the wall?
 
Did you see in the news withing the last two months, one large stone fell out of the wall?
The wall has been bulging out quite a bit in the last 10-15 years. Muslim's want to deny Jews access to the wall. I believe that in Israel's next invasion by the Arabs, they will destroy the wall. The wall is actually the only structure standing today that was visible to Christ and his apostles.

I didn't know a stone fell out. I'll have to google it.
 
BACK TO THE FUTURE

The Last post regarding the topic of the thread was #162 (see below)

Greetings all

We have spent time in the New Jerusalem, what an amazing place it will be, with God, with Jesus, in His Light, in His Peace, Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, etc, etc will all come together in the Holy City.

The Light of Christ will be so bright, yet our eyes will allow us to look Him in the face, image looking Jesus in the face, our new glorious bodies will be perfect in every way, that is why we will be able to look into the amazing light of Christ.

We will get accustomed to the place very quickly I am sure, because it is what God has created for us, for us to be with Him forever.

It will not be long before we are starting to look around, it is our new home, it will feel more like home than anywhere we have ever lived before. the crystal clear waters of the river with the light flickering in the flow, the amazing trees either side of the river. All this will take our breath away but. we will understandably want to find those we loved, but this is some city, 1500 mile square, 2 million 250 thousand square miles, how will we find them? We won't have telephones, mobiles or GPS to help us, a blessing I think, we won't have them, we will not need them. God knows our hearts, He knows our loved ones hearts, we will meet again, and will have eternity to enjoy the place and to find them.

I remember once being told once following...

When I get to heaven, I will no doubt see people I never thought I would see, I will not see some I thought would be there, that is providing I have done everything the Lord requested of me when I was on earth, if I haven't I will not be there either.

Our Salvation is down to what we do, think, say and pray, according to God's Holy Word, but our destiny is in our own hands...

Don't put off until tomorrow what you can do and make right today, we may not be here tomorrow.

If we are not Saved whilst here on earth, none of what we have been discussing and sharing together will be ours.

If we are born again saved believers, following Christ and The Word, taking up our cross daily and following Him, all this and more will be ours and we will be with our Lord forever..

Please do read again Isaiah 65:17-25 our dear brother @Hekuran shared in Post #161

( To be continued )
 
Greetings

We have looked at what scripture says about the New Heaven/New Earth and the New Jerusalem. We have been blessed and have been able to see so much.

Following on from the message above, we can start and consider other factors, many items we considered may not give us a definite answer, but based on what scripture tells us and God's Love for us, we could see many possibilities.

We are about to walk through one of the twelve gates onto the New Earth, out of the Holy City on to this new earth that has no curse and no sin. But before we do I would like to put forward questions for consideration and discussion.


We will all have our new glorified bodies.

Q1 - What do you think they will be like?


On earth up to the first death, children die in the womb or by abortion, some die at an early age. Some do not live on earth long, but many others live to an old age, particularly in the wealthy nations of the current world. Surely Heaven will not be full of elderly, retired people.

Q2 - What age do you think we will be in Heaven?


Blessings
 
There were Chinese kids in an orphanage who went to heaven and described it. Visions beyond the veil. The granddad of Roland Baker went there as a missionary.
 
There were Chinese kids in an orphanage who went to heaven and described it. Visions beyond the veil. The granddad of Roland Baker went there as a missionary.

The questions my friend were...

We will all have our new glorified bodies.

Q1 - What do you think they will be like?


On earth up to the first death, children die in the womb or by abortion, some die at an early age. Some do not live on earth long, but many others live to an old age, particularly in the wealthy nations of the current world. Surely Heaven will not be full of elderly, retired people.

Q2 - What age do you think we will be in Heaven?
 
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