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NEW HEAVEN/NEW EARTH - THE ETERNAL HOME OF EVERY SAVED BELIEVER IN CHRIST JESUS

The questions my friend were...

We will all have our new glorified bodies.

Q1 - What do you think they will be like?


On earth up to the first death, children die in the womb or by abortion, some die at an early age. Some do not live on earth long, but many others live to an old age, particularly in the wealthy nations of the current world. Surely Heaven will not be full of elderly, retired people.

Q2 - What age do you think we will be in Heaven?
Oh lol I believe we'll all look like 30, unless kids have to grow up still. Ken Gott once asked if someone was 30. Guy stood up, he asked him to come to the podium. He said: in heaven we will all look like him.
New bodies: You can go anywhere by just thinking you want to be there. No cars needed. You can go through walls like Jesus did. It will be like the body He had after He got raised.
 
Oh lol I believe we'll all look like 30, unless kids have to grow up still. Ken Gott once asked if someone was 30. Guy stood up, he asked him to come to the podium. He said: in heaven we will all look like him.


Interesting comment @newname, before I add any more here, may I ask, can you remember why he said age 30?

New bodies: You can go anywhere by just thinking you want to be there. No cars needed. You can go through walls like Jesus did. It will be like the body He had after He got raised.

Again interesting comment, we must be careful what we think then. :smile:

The Bible teaches that the resurrection is a transformation of the same bodies we had on earth. As humans, we are not just spiritual, but physical. Our bodies are a very important part of our identity, they are part of who we are. Therefore, if we deny that we are raised with the same bodies we had on earth, we are denying a significant part of our identity. At the same time, if we deny that our resurrected bodies are transformed, we are left with the depressing idea that we will forever be subject to the weaknesses we now have, such as sickness, fatigue, etc. Which is not true.

Our old body will be transformed into a new one, a new me, a new you, it will still be my body or your body. Transformed meaning there will be continuity. The old will be made new. But we will not be ghosts.
 
Interesting comment @newname, before I add any more here, may I ask, can you remember why he said age 30?



Again interesting comment, we must be careful what we think then. :smile:

The Bible teaches that the resurrection is a transformation of the same bodies we had on earth. As humans, we are not just spiritual, but physical. Our bodies are a very important part of our identity, they are part of who we are. Therefore, if we deny that we are raised with the same bodies we had on earth, we are denying a significant part of our identity. At the same time, if we deny that our resurrected bodies are transformed, we are left with the depressing idea that we will forever be subject to the weaknesses we now have, such as sickness, fatigue, etc. Which is not true.

Our old body will be transformed into a new one, a new me, a new you, it will still be my body or your body. Transformed meaning there will be continuity. The old will be made new. But we will not be ghosts.
He didn't explain ot, but I heard it from others too. I guess because that's adult. Jesus started His ministry then. I suppose Adam would have looked like that. But the Father is described as an ancient of days, so I don't know if it's true. Wasn't Samuel an old man when he came up? Getting old and wrinkly here is because of the athmosphere and the fall. Ken Gott wants to look young and not bald, so it must be lol.
 
He didn't explain ot, but I heard it from others too. I guess because that's adult. Jesus started His ministry then. I suppose Adam would have looked like that. But the Father is described as an ancient of days, so I don't know if it's true. Wasn't Samuel an old man when he came up? Getting old and wrinkly here is because of the athmosphere and the fall. Ken Gott wants to look young and not bald, so it must be lol.


I understand this as being around the age we will be in Heaven, as for children up to that age I am not sure. Heaven will be Paradise, but no where does it say it will be a retired persons Paradise, Heaven is for all saved believers.

The reason I believe around 30 is the age we will be is, one as you say it was the age Jesus was in his ministry, two it is the age the human body is considered to be its best. Up to early 30's we are growing in our bodies, from that age the cycle of life starts its down hill slope.

The honest answer is we don't know but this seems to make sense.

I think it is a bit like asking the question here on earth, at what age is a child considered to be responsible young adult. Many answers can fly at this one, starting probably with 18 then 21, then laughs at the words a 'responsible' young adult. Scripture doesn't tells us the answer to this, not directly anyway, but Jesus entered the Temple and preached at age 12, the Jews consider age 12 as the start of adulthood. Sometimes indirect answers help us visualise how some things should or may be, providing they are taken from scripture.
 
Oh lol I believe we'll all look like 30, unless kids have to grow up still. Ken Gott once asked if someone was 30. Guy stood up, he asked him to come to the podium. He said: in heaven we will all look like him.
New bodies: You can go anywhere by just thinking you want to be there. No cars needed. You can go through walls like Jesus did. It will be like the body He had after He got raised.
I've heard that idea and I'm undecided what to believe. I'm not convinced that those who are resurrected or raptured come back to earth. I've not researched this topic in detail and would like to know more. I don't think anybody has proven anything about this It seems that the scriptures conflict, some say we go to heaven - some say we return and reign with the Lord. Is the New Jerusalem in heaven? Is it on earth?
 
I've heard that idea and I'm undecided what to believe. I'm not convinced that those who are resurrected or raptured come back to earth. I've not researched this topic in detail and would like to know more. I don't think anybody has proven anything about this It seems that the scriptures conflict, some say we go to heaven - some say we return and reign with the Lord.

Some things I am still not sure about, I guess we can all say that on some subjects, the age 30 is only considered as probable for the reasons I included in a recent post.

Regarding your additional comments, it would be better I think if another thread was raised as it gets a little involved and we keep running off topic here. I agree with you that there are still some areas I am not sure about between the Rapture and the end of the 1000 year Millennium Period, but there will be a New Heaven / New earth and the New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven onto the New Earth as discussed in this thread.

Looking at things from this stage to avoid derailing the topic again, we know we will be on the New Earth and we will have resurrected glorious bodies, like Jesus had.

These are the two questions we are currently considering...

Q1 - What do you think our glorious bodies will be like?


On earth up to the first death, children die in the womb or by abortion, some die at an early age. Some do not live on earth long, but many others live to an old age, particularly in the wealthy nations of the current world. Surely Heaven will not be full of elderly, retired people.

Q2 - What age do you think we will be in Heaven?
 
I understand this as being around the age we will be in Heaven, as for children up to that age I am not sure. Heaven will be Paradise, but no where does it say it will be a retired persons Paradise, Heaven is for all saved believers.

The reason I believe around 30 is the age we will be is, one as you say it was the age Jesus was in his ministry, two it is the age the human body is considered to be its best. Up to early 30's we are growing in our bodies, from that age the cycle of life starts its down hill slope.

The honest answer is we don't know but this seems to make sense.

I think it is a bit like asking the question here on earth, at what age is a child considered to be responsible young adult. Many answers can fly at this one, starting probably with 18 then 21, then laughs at the words a 'responsible' young adult. Scripture doesn't tells us the answer to this, not directly anyway, but Jesus entered the Temple and preached at age 12, the Jews consider age 12 as the start of adulthood. Sometimes indirect answers help us visualise how some things should or may be, providing they are taken from scripture.
According to those Chinese children from that orphanage, kids are kids there. They saw a kid that died, who showed em around. They hoped that none of them would die, else the others would get jealous.
I suppose kids grow up there. A kid that died in the womb can't stay like that. I lost one kid with 7 weeks and I saw her in a vision as a 9 year old with a white dress, that made a wedding dress look like a rag. I also saw her as a 4 year old and my ex saw the exact same girl. That was before she was even conceived.
 
According to those Chinese children from that orphanage, kids are kids there. They saw a kid that died, who showed em around. They hoped that none of them would die, else the others would get jealous.

@newname

There will be no more death, the last enemy will have been defeated.

There will be no jealousy

What are you reading?
 
@newname

There will be no more death, the last enemy will have been defeated.

There will be no jealousy

What are you reading?
They lived. They just visited heaven. It's an old book, visions beyond the veil. They plucked oranges and brought em back for the ppl from the orphanage and were disappointed that they weren't in their pockets.
 
Some things I am still not sure about, I guess we can all say that on some subjects, the age 30 is only considered as probable for the reasons I included in a recent post.

Regarding your additional comments, it would be better I think if another thread was raised as it gets a little involved and we keep running off topic here. I agree with you that there are still some areas I am not sure about between the Rapture and the end of the 1000 year Millennium Period, but there will be a New Heaven / New earth and the New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven onto the New Earth as discussed in this thread.

Looking at things from this stage to avoid derailing the topic again, we know we will be on the New Earth and we will have resurrected glorious bodies, like Jesus had.

These are the two questions we are currently considering...

Q1 - What do you think our glorious bodies will be like?


On earth up to the first death, children die in the womb or by abortion, some die at an early age. Some do not live on earth long, but many others live to an old age, particularly in the wealthy nations of the current world. Surely Heaven will not be full of elderly, retired people.

Q2 - What age do you think we will be in Heaven?
As of now I think resurrected believers go to heaven and the sheep and goats judgment determines who goes bodily into the 1,000 years - as well as 144,000 Jewish remnant.

I don't see a glorified body being necessary on earth, and the only thing we can base what a glorified body is like is what Jesus did with his. And quite honestly, I'm not overly concerned with what happens after the Parousia. I'm more concerned with what happens up to it.
 
There were Chinese kids in an orphanage who went to heaven and described it. Visions beyond the veil. The granddad of Roland Baker went there as a missionary.



You're saying that those kids went to heaven and came back? Or they had a vision of Being in heaven and relayed that in a book. I'm very skeptical of 'visions' because God's Word describes it in book of Revelation and we'll find out for ourselves when we get there in person.
 
You're saying that those kids went to heaven and came back? Or they had a vision of Being in heaven and relayed that in a book. I'm very skeptical of 'visions' because God's Word describes it in book of Revelation and we'll find out for ourselves when we get there in person.
They were taken up to heaven. The leaders saw these kids doing stuff and later they cross examined em and they all said the same thing and they were just taken in from the streets. They knew nothing and it was Biblical. They saw parks that were far more beautiful than on earth.
 
The Adullam children were caught up in vision to this city of God. How they could see
the city I do not know. How Abraham saw it I do not know. How Paul could be caught
up to Paradise, either in the body or out of the body, I do not know. These things are
beyond natural order. We need not, at present, know the How. We know the Fact.
John was shown the city. He was told by the Lord to write the things he had seen and
send them to the Churches.
In the Spirit Adullam children were caught up to this city time after time, not as in a
dream but as a living reality. Their visits were so real, in fact, that the children supposed
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Visions Beyond the Veil
their souls actually left their bodies to go to heaven and return, or that in some
unaccountable way they had gone to heaven soul and body just as they might in daily
life visit some distant place. Frequently when in Paradise the children were plucking
and partaking of the heavenly fruit they gathered some extra to tuck in their garments
to bring back to earth for "Muh Si and Si Mu" (Pastor and Mrs. Baker).
They knew they were only on a visit to heaven and soon to return. Upon returning,
when the Spirit lifted from them, finding themselves in our Adullam rooms they
proceeded at once to search in their garments for the delicious fruit they had brought
back to please us. Not finding this fruit in their garments, a look of great surprise,
confusion, and disappointment came over their faces. They could not, for the time,
believe they had not bodily gone to heaven and come back with the fruit tucked in their
garments.
Walking on the streets of the New Jerusalem was to them as real as walking on the
streets of a Chinese city. One day, when walking down the street in bright sunshine, I
asked the boys if the visions were as real and as clear as what we then saw. "Just as
real," they said, "but much clearer due to the light in heaven and the white garments
and the cleanliness everywhere, all adding to the brightness."
When in the Spirit, the children were usually lost to their natural surroundings. In many
cases, although they supposed they were in heaven, they talked aloud, describing what
they saw, thus carrying on conversation that we all could hear. Often they acted out
before our eyes what they supposed they were doing in heaven.

 
There were Chinese kids in an orphanage who went to heaven and described it. Visions beyond the veil. The granddad of Roland Baker went there as a missionary.

You are reading to many things that will mix up and dilute The Truth in God's Word.

I would suggest you put away these worldly influences and stick to The Word, The Truth is Revealed In The Word.

Ask yourself, What does the Bible say, what does The Word say, what does Jesus say. Stick to these my friend and you won't go wrong.

The devil comes to deceive, he is the deceiver of souls, he loves to stir things up to cloud the Truth.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (NKJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.

Trust in The Lord, The Word, Trust with all your heart, acknowledge Him in all you do, He alone will direct your paths my friend.

Do not lean on your own understanding, influenced by the world and the devil.

Trust Him totally that is all He asks, the blessings are more than we can ever imagine. \o/
 
You are reading to many things that will mix up and dilute The Truth in God's Word.

I would suggest you put away these worldly influences and stick to The Word, The Truth is Revealed In The Word.

Ask yourself, What does the Bible say, what does The Word say, what does Jesus say. Stick to these my friend and you won't go wrong.

The devil comes to deceive, he is the deceiver of souls, he loves to stir things up to cloud the Truth.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (NKJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.

Trust in The Lord, The Word, Trust with all your heart, acknowledge Him in all you do, He alone will direct your paths my friend.

Do not lean on your own understanding, influenced by the world and the devil.

Trust Him totally that is all He asks, the blessings are more than we can ever imagine. \o/
It's Biblical, but indeed I can rather not read it again. The heaven part was nice.
 
Looking at things from this stage to avoid derailing the topic again, we know we will be on the New Earth and we will have resurrected glorious bodies, like Jesus had.

These are the two questions we are currently considering...

Q1 - What do you think our glorious bodies will be like?

It was suggested that our glorious bodies would be like Jesus' body when he showed himself on earth after the resurrection.

One scripture that comes to mind is when Jesus told Peter to go back out fishing and cast his net the other side of the boat. The Jesus asked them to bring some fish and they sat together and ate together. Our bodies would be like Jesus' body, but it will be us, we will not be ghosts.

Jesus also showed himself and his body to Thomas, showing the nail marks and the mark in his chest.

So this seems to say, our new glorious bodies, but any scars we have now, we 'may' have in heaven, but there will be no pain and no suffering.

On earth up to the first death, children die in the womb or by abortion, some die at an early age. Some do not live on earth long, but many others live to an old age, particularly in the wealthy nations of the current world. Surely Heaven will not be full of elderly, retired people.

Q2 - What age do you think we will be in Heaven?

In reply to the second consideration most believe we will probably be around 30 years old, in our prime, as that was also the age Jesus was when he was on earth. This decision was made based on the fact it would be doubtful heaven would be overloaded with people of pensionable age on earth.

I add the above to bring us back on topic.

We have looked together at scripture for the New Jerusalem that came down from heaven onto the new earth, connecting heaven and earth, God and man together again as in the days God created Adam and Eve.

We have looked at what John tells us in Revelation regarding the foundations, the walls, the size and some of the materials used for the Holy City.

We have looked at what scripture tells us inside the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, Zion, will be like. It was truly amazing but until we get there we will not fully absorb what God has created for us.

Looking out from within the Holy City we know there are 12 gateways, 3 on each side, east, north, south and west. The Light of Christ shines 24 hours a day, in the Holy City, because Christ is the Light. His light shines outward from the open gateways, each one with an angel by the open guarding it, from what we are not sure, other than stopping anything unGodly entering the Holy City. What could enter we don't know as the New earth is sin free and the curse as been removed.

It is through a gate we now walk, outwards from the Holy City, onto the New Earth. God would not have left the gates to the Holy City open if he doesn't want us to explore, God would not have created a New Earth if he didn't want us to explore it and enjoy it.

What we discuss now will include speculation, but God has given us inquisitive minds, He knows though we will have a home prepared for us in the Holy City, we will also want to find out what He has created for us outside the Holy City, not just inside the massive 1400 mile square and high Holy City but the new earth as well.

What do you think the New Earth will be like?

What do you think we will see?

What do you think we will be able to do?

Will there be rivers and water on the new earth?

Will there be mountains and hills?

Will there be day and night on the New Earth, we know the Holy City will be light 24 hours a day?

Some people are frightened of talking about heaven, some people think we will sit on clouds strumming a harp. No wonder they think it will be boring. From the discussions we have had so far it doesn't seem boring to me.

What do you think the New Earth will be like?

Blessings
 
Q2 - What age do you think we will be in Heaven?

I wonder if it will be the same for everyone? I know people who were in their "prime" in their 20's. For me it was probably in my 30's.
I know people in their 40's who say they were never more healthy and fit than they are now. I wonder if it will just be whatever age was our "prime" year.

Gen 5:27; So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years, and he died.

Maybe for people like Methuselah, it will be, ... I dunno, maybe 350 or so :smile:
 
I wonder if it will be the same for everyone? I know people who were in their "prime" in their 20's. For me it was probably in my 30's.
I know people in their 40's who say they were never more healthy and fit than they are now. I wonder if it will just be whatever age was our "prime" year.

Gen 5:27; So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years, and he died.

Maybe for people like Methuselah, it will be, ... I dunno, maybe 350 or so :smile:

Greeting brother

When I quoted previously of, being in their prime, and also quoted around the age of 30, I was referring to medical data which states a human being is usually in their prime, at their best bodily, between 30 and 35, usually in their early 30's.

We don't know, providing we are saved we will find out and I am sure we will be, well pleased.

When quoting Jesus being in his prime around 30, or early 30's, the time of his ministry, I also referred to the suggestion being similar to that of what age is a child no longer a child. Referring of course to Jesus entering the Temple at 12, and Jewish belief, a child takes on the responsibilities of an adult in their faith at that age also.

Bless you
 
What that in mind... I have to wonder about this verse.

Isa 65:20; "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

As for age of accountability, it seems even Jesus had this.

Isa 7:15; "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.

(Maybe I should eat more curds and honey :) )
 
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