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And in all this sin we Christians teach our kids Jesus was born on December 25. When we have zero Scripture for such a date.


It's not really a sin we're teaching our children about December 25th -- It IS commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ.

We Are told that the shepherds were tending to their flocks. What ever time of year that would have been.

Maybe if we Did have a specific date, we'd be worshipping the date instead of the significant happening Of that date.
 
They celebrated Christ's life, ministry, death, burial, and resurrection. Birthdays? No.

And yet the angels and shepherds did.

Luke 2:8; In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luke 2:9; And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.
Luke 2:10; But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people;
Luke 2:11; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Luke 2:12; "This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
Luke 2:13; And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
Luke 2:14; "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."
Luke 2:15; When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us."
 
@Reba1 -- Was just researching that -- there are several speculations regarding the the date / year of Christ's birth. But, the Important thing is that Jesus Christ was born to lead us to His Father in heaven. To be our savior. We simply need to acknowledge our personal need and accept Him as our personal Savior.
 
And yet the angels and shepherds did.

Luke 2:8; In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luke 2:9; And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.
Luke 2:10; But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people;
Luke 2:11; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Luke 2:12; "This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
Luke 2:13; And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
Luke 2:14; "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."
Luke 2:15; When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us."
Yes, God's angels alerted the shepherd's of the birth of their awaited Messiah, that HE had come. Luke records that scene beautifully. Had it been imperative that the exact birth day be remembered in perpetuity and celebrated with yule logs ornamented in silver and gold, God would have told us so. Don't you think?
 
It's commemorating the Event.

What has happened to December 25th? It's become commercialized. The shepherds brought gifts to the Christ-child-- society goes to the extremes 'giving gifts' -- going into debt in the process. We Need to get back to Scripture -- what Christmas is really supposed to mean / represent.
 
It's commemorating the Event.

What has happened to December 25th? It's become commercialized. The shepherds brought gifts to the Christ-child-- society goes to the extremes 'giving gifts' -- going into debt in the process. We Need to get back to Scripture -- what Christmas is really supposed to mean / represent.
I agree back to Scripture where do we find Christmas in Scripture. where do we find Dec 25 as His birth in Scripture?
 
We commonly celebrate the birth of our babies. Every year. No one tells us we 'have to'. But we enjoy birthdays and anniversaries -- weddings and anniversaries every year after that.

Our birthdates go on most legal documents -- school records. Drinking age, voting, jobs, retirement age.
 
Nope as i ask does it say anywhere in Scripture we should . Could it be a vague date by God's foreknowledge? As @Sue D. implied ?


Of course God knew when Jesus Christ would enter this world as a baby and all the speculation that would take place regarding the date thereof. He predicted it in Isaiah 7:14. And it came to pass in Matthew as Immanuel = God with us.

And it's also recorded in Luke. Very specifically how it happened.
 
We commonly celebrate the birth of our babies. Every year. No one tells us we 'have to'. But we enjoy birthdays and anniversaries -- weddings and anniversaries every year after that.

Our birthdates go on most legal documents -- school records. Drinking age, voting, jobs, retirement age.
What do those facts have to do with .... I agree back to Scripture where do we find Christmas in Scripture. where do we find Dec 25 as His birth in Scripture?
 
Of course God knew when Jesus Christ would enter this world as a baby and all the speculation that would take place regarding the date thereof. He predicted it in Isaiah 7:14. And it came to pass in Matthew as Immanuel = God with us.

And it's also recorded in Luke. Very specifically how it happened.
Yet as complete and predicted and wonderful as His birth was there is no date.
 
Obviously we don't. But it Was chosen and it's been kept as our date For celebrating.
 
It's commemorating the Event.

What has happened to December 25th? It's become commercialized. The shepherds brought gifts to the Christ-child-- society goes to the extremes 'giving gifts' -- going into debt in the process. We Need to get back to Scripture -- what Christmas is really supposed to mean / represent.
Yes, I hear you, Sue. But Jesus did not tell his disciples, and by extension all of us, to "go out into the world and celebrate my birthday." Rather, Jesus said "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Matthew 28:18-20; "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation." Mark 16:15; "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem." Luke 24:46-47; "Follow me." John 21:19; and, "you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." Acts 1:8.
 
God has given us feast days. Given them so the kids will remember . ( Exo 13:14 And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage:) Who is man to add to His Days?
I have made Jesus birthday cakes , Had the tree, gave and received the gifts. I dont object to having a gift giving day . I object to man trying to make a Holy Day that is not of God/Scripture.
 
Yes, second marriages Are common. you were going into 3rd and 4 th marriages -- which -- at least in This country -- is Not the norm. Polygamy is Not the 'norm'. If there's a 'norm' developing / has been here for a while -- is that of living together without marriage. And then the homosexual 'scene' -- society is trying to get That to be an acceptable 'scene'.

'We' need to take a strong, firm stand For Biblical morality.

In the 4-plex I presently live in -- the two young couples living upstairs are live-in arrangements. They are both in their mid-30's and already have messed up 'priors'. It's sad -- there are kids involved. The one couple is really trying to make a good relationship and have a really cute little girl born with some medical issues, but they are good parents.
Oh, we are to demand or push our religious beliefs on Americans, Our "Biblical Morals" what about "Freedom of Religion", Morals are determine by ones culture. Morals are determine by people. Christians cannot push their beliefs on other cultures or beliefs. We live in the USA. Which consists of many cultures.

"The culture of the United States of America is primarily of Western origin, but is influenced by a multicultural ethos that includes African, Native American, Asian, Pacific Island, and Latin American people and their cultures."

"The culture of the United States of America is primarily of Western origin, but is influenced by a multicultural ethos that includes African, Native American, Asian, Pacific Island, and Latin American people and their cultures. It has its own distinct social and cultural characteristics, such as dialect, music, arts, social habits, cuisine, and folklore."

"The United States is ethnically and racially diverse as a result of large-scale immigration throughout its history, its hundreds of indigenous tribes and cultures, and through African-American slavery followed by emancipation. American culture promotes homogeneity in its diversity, often referred to as the "American Melting Pot."

Morals are not like stationary Goal post in a football game. Moral goal posts move! If move people vote and choose and accept Homosexual it becomes a moral right. Now you cannot says that a "homosexual lifestyle is immoral. you cannot call them "Immoral people".

Do we call "fornicators" right out that is a "immoral" mother, Or a person who is committing, Adultery, she is a immoral person? The Goal post has been move

Are you sure you want to take a strong Stance on "Biblical Morality".
 
It's not really a sin we're teaching our children about December 25th -- It IS commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ.

We Are told that the shepherds were tending to their flocks. What ever time of year that would have been.

Maybe if we Did have a specific date, we'd be worshipping the date instead of the significant happening Of that date.
Well why don't we celebrate it somewhere in March?
 
Oh, we are to demand or push our religious beliefs on Americans, Our "Biblical Morals" what about "Freedom of Religion", Morals are determine by ones culture. Morals are determine by people. Christians cannot push their beliefs on other cultures or beliefs. We live in the USA. Which consists of many cultures.

"The culture of the United States of America is primarily of Western origin, but is influenced by a multicultural ethos that includes African, Native American, Asian, Pacific Island, and Latin American people and their cultures."

"The culture of the United States of America is primarily of Western origin, but is influenced by a multicultural ethos that includes African, Native American, Asian, Pacific Island, and Latin American people and their cultures. It has its own distinct social and cultural characteristics, such as dialect, music, arts, social habits, cuisine, and folklore."

"The United States is ethnically and racially diverse as a result of large-scale immigration throughout its history, its hundreds of indigenous tribes and cultures, and through African-American slavery followed by emancipation. American culture promotes homogeneity in its diversity, often referred to as the "American Melting Pot."

Morals are not like stationary Goal post in a football game. Moral goal posts move! If move people vote and choose and accept Homosexual it becomes a moral right. Now you cannot says that a "homosexual lifestyle is immoral. you cannot call them "Immoral people".

Do we call "fornicators" right out that is a "immoral" mother, Or a person who is committing, Adultery, she is a immoral person? The Goal post has been move

Are you sure you want to take a strong Stance on "Biblical Morality".
People may change, and peoples ideas of what is and what is not moral may change, but God's moral law does not change: it is written in scripture as with an iron pen.

It may seem moral for cannibals to hunt their human neighbors in order to kill them, dress and clean them, roast them over a fire pit, and then eat them, but it is still murder, and murder is a moral law that God commands thou shalt not do.

It might seem perfectly moral for swinging married couples to host swinger parties where everyone has sexual relations with everyone else not their spouse. There not hurting anyone, right? Except they are acting in rebellion to God's moral law that says thou shalt not commit adultery.

Bottom line: If it's something that is contrary to God's moral law, it's not okay for children of God to celebrate it.
 
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