On The Trinity

[WaterRock]

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1John 5:10.. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son.

When you say Son of God, do you mean the Holy Ghost who is the lamb that given from the foundation of the world, or do you mean the man named Justus who in John 12:44 who cried and He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
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Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

 

[Curtis]

When you say Son of God, do you mean the Holy Ghost who is the lamb that given from the foundation of the world, or do you mean the man named Justus who in John 12:44 who cried and He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
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Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

The Son of God is always Jesus Christ, how ever Jesus Christ was sent by his Father. When Jesus speaks his Words are Spirit and they are life. If you believe on the Son you are also believing on the one that sent him.
The Father has determined though that there is no other name given whereby man can be saved except Jesus Christ.

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[WaterRock]

I am not looking for an argument...

The Son of God is always Jesus Christ, how ever Jesus Christ was sent by his Father.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was married to Joseph, before she delivered , she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

So is the Holy Ghost is the Father? I won't presume that it is since the Spirit and the Word are one God according to 1 John 5:7, if God is the Father but it is written in Matthew 1:20,
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

So if the Holy Ghost is the Father then howbeit that Jesus was going to sent the Holy Ghost from the Father when the Holy Ghost is the Father?

In 1 Cor 7:32-33, it speaks the difference between a male that is married and the male that isn't?
32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

So what is the difference between a female that is married and a female that isn't? According to 1 Cor 7:34, the same as the males;

The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit:
but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Heb 13:4

Since it is written in Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. In case
it isn't understood it is clarified in Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. And what is the one flesh called?

So in Luke 1, howbeit that John also was filled with the Holy Ghost from the his mother's womb.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Now John was a Nazarite, one vowed to separation unto the LORD from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. Which is not to be confused with Jesus moving to the city of Nazareth so it would fulfill that spoken of the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene,

When Jesus speaks his Words are Spirit and they are life. If you believe on the Son you are also believing on the one that sent him.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, It is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God,

So in John 8:17-18
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

So if the testimony of two men is true, then the testimony of two females is true also?

The Father has determined though that there is no other name given whereby man can be saved except Jesus Christ.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Rev 2:17

 

[Curtis]

I am not looking for an argument...



Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was married to Joseph, before she delivered , she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

So is the Holy Ghost is the Father? I won't presume that it is since the Spirit and the Word are one God according to 1 John 5:7, if God is the Father but it is written in Matthew 1:20,
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

So if the Holy Ghost is the Father then howbeit that Jesus was going to sent the Holy Ghost from the Father when the Holy Ghost is the Father?

In 1 Cor 7:32-33, it speaks the difference between a male that is married and the male that isn't?
32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

So what is the difference between a female that is married and a female that isn't? According to 1 Cor 7:34, the same as the males;

The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit:
but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Heb 13:4

Since it is written in Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. In case
it isn't understood it is clarified in Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. And what is the one flesh called?

So in Luke 1, howbeit that John also was filled with the Holy Ghost from the his mother's womb.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Now John was a Nazarite, one vowed to separation unto the LORD from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk. Which is not to be confused with Jesus moving to the city of Nazareth so it would fulfill that spoken of the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene,




Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, It is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God,

So in John 8:17-18
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

So if the testimony of two men is true, then the testimony of two females is true also?



He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Rev 2:17

Brother you are making things to difficult on your self. The Holy Spirit is not the Father neither is the Son of God the Father. God is made up of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Gods body is his Word, which is Jesus Christ who became flesh.....

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him (Christ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

God's body is his Word. When God the Father speaks, what comes out of his mouth? Words. What are these words? they are Spirit, and they are life. When God sends his Word, contained within in every dwells himself!
The reason Jesus only speaks what he hears his Father say is because Jesus is the Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. the Father. When the Holy Spirit speaks, he only speaking what he hears Jesus say
for he is what gives power to the Word of God.

When the Holy Spirit speaks he is speaking what Jesus says, and when Jesus speaks he is speaking what the Father says. All three persons of the Godhead speak together in unity, and these three are one.

John 14:10.. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John_16:13.. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

When the Angel of the Lord spoke to Mary the Word of God, it was not his own words it was God's Word, Mary said, "be it done unto me "according to your Words". The Father sent the Angel to proclaim his Word to Mary. She received that Word, and by the Power of the Holy Spirit it was conceived within her body. All three persons of the Godhead where working together to bring the Son of God to earth in his incarnation, the Father, the Word (Son of God), and the Holy Spirit.

 

[RJ]

So if the Holy Ghost is the Father then howbeit that Jesus was going to sent the Holy Ghost from the Father when the Holy Ghost is the Father?

The understanding of who God and the Trinity are a stumbling block for many.

 

[RJ]

Brother you are making things to difficult on your self. The Holy Spirit is not the Father neither is the Son of God the Father. God is made up of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Gods body is his Word, which is Jesus Christ who became flesh.....

"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God!"

 

[Curtis]

"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God!"

Yes, and contained within that "Word" dwells all the fullness of the Godhead!

 

[WaterRock]

"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God!"

In John 4:24 it is written God is a Spirit. So then if in the beginning was the Word, then the Spirit had to have been present before the Word since it records "and the Word was with the Spirit," thus it concludes "and the Word was Spirit".

Seems to me that the scripture clearly shows the precept that in the beginning the was just the Spirit of God and the Word of God, unless one is going to say that it isn't true , then you ain't got no trinity of three....

Brother you are making things to difficult on your self. The Holy Spirit is not the Father neither is the Son of God the Father. God is made up of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Gods body is his Word, which is Jesus Christ who became flesh..

See above

 

[RJ]

Yes, and contained within that "Word" dwells all the fullness of the Godhead!

• John 1: 1-14
  1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
  2 He was in the beginning with God;
  3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
  4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
  5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
  6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
  7 He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him.
  8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.
  9 The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world.
  10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not.
  11 He came to his own home, and his own people received him not.
  12 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God;
  13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
  14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.
• The word is clearly Jesus and Jesus is clearly God!.

 

[Curtis]

• John 1: 1-14
  1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
  2 He was in the beginning with God;
  3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
  4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
  5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
  6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
  7 He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him.
  8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.
  9 The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world.
  10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not.
  11 He came to his own home, and his own people received him not.
  12 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God;
  13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
  14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.
• The word is clearly Jesus and Jesus is clearly God!.

So, what exactly are you trying to say here? That Jesus God? That is nothing new, every body knows that!

 

[WaterRock]

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, It is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God,

So in John 8:17-18
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

So if the testimony of two men is true, then the testimony of two females is true also?

So I take it that you don't care to respond to the question.

 

[Curtis]

So I take it that you don't care to respond to the question.

It might help if you "quote" the person you are trying to reply back to you. No one knows who you are asking this question to.

 

[WaterRock]

The understanding of who God and the Trinity are a stumbling block for many.

Not really, it's a doctrine fabricated by the Catholic Church that the reprobates eat up because without faith anything is possible.

 

[RJ]

Seems to me that the scripture clearly shows the precept that in the beginning the was just the Spirit of God and the Word of God, unless one is going to say that it isn't true , then you ain't got no trinity of three....

With all due respect again:

• In the beginning was the word.....Jesus
• And the word was with God......Two, Jesus and God
• And the word was God........Jesus was God; God was Jesus
• Genesis 1:2.....Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters......In the beginning the Holy Spirit existed and was with God and Jesus,
• Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image,...our means multiple...God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit
• Genesis 2:7...Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being....In the beginning was the breath of life which is the Holy Spirit who was with God and Jesus.
• In the beginning was three: God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit!

 

[RJ]

Not really, it's a doctrine fabricated by the Catholic Church that the reprobates eat up because without faith anything is possible.

Since I am a believer in the Trinity, are you calling me a Reprobate and without faith?

 

[WaterRock]

With all due respect again:

• In the beginning was the word.....Jesus
• And the word was with God......Two, Jesus and God
• And the word was God........Jesus was God; God was Jesus
• Genesis 1:2.....Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters......In the beginning the Holy Spirit existed and was with God and Jesus,
• Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image,...our means multiple...God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit
• Genesis 2:7...Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being....In the beginning was the breath of life which is the Holy Spirit who was with God and Jesus.
• In the beginning was three: God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit!

So if in the beginning the was the Word, and the Word was the Spirit, then the Spirit must have been there before the Word or else how would the Word have been with God

 

[RJ]

@WaterRock You said: Not really, it's a doctrine fabricated by the Catholic Church that the reprobates eat up because without faith anything is possible.

Since I am a believer in the Trinity, are you calling me a Reprobate and without faith?

Again are you calling me a Reprobate and with out faith?

 

[WaterRock]

Since I am a believer in the Trinity, are you calling me a Reprobate and without faith?

I am not judging anyone personally, but I find that they usually answer these questions accordingly

Where is Jesus now? [He is in heaven next to the Father]

Are all things possible with your God? [All things are possible with God]

Maybe you don't subscribe to those beliefs, don't know unless one answers a question
But no I do not intend any personal disparagement towards you are your beliefs.

 

[RJ]

I am not judging anyone personally, but I find that they usually answer these questions accordingly

Where is Jesus now? [He is in heaven next to the Father]

Are all things possible with your God? [All things are possible with God]

Maybe you don't subscribe to those beliefs, don't know unless one answers a question
But no I do not intend any personal disparagement towards you are your beliefs.

@WaterRock you said:
Not really, it's a doctrine fabricated by the Catholic Church that the reprobates eat up because without faith anything is possible.

• Who are you calling a reprobate?

 

[WaterRock]

Where is Jesus Christ?

@WaterRock you said:
Not really, it's a doctrine fabricated by the Catholic Church that the reprobates eat up because without faith anything is possible.

• Who are you calling a reprobate?

Where is Jesus Christ now?

If you don't care to answer then that is your prerogative.