On The Trinity
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Is the Father a person ?
Is the Holy Spirit a person ?
Is Jesus a person ?
In scripture does it say they are three person's ?
Or is Jesus the person of God ?
Is the Father the fullness of the
Godhead ?
Is the Holy Spirit the fullness of the
Godhead ?
Is Jesus the fullness of the
Godhead ?
By scripture who is the fullness if the Godhead ?
Is the Holy Spirit a person ?
Is Jesus a person ?
In scripture does it say they are three person's ?
Or is Jesus the person of God ?
Is the Father the fullness of the
Godhead ?
Is the Holy Spirit the fullness of the
Godhead ?
Is Jesus the fullness of the
Godhead ?
By scripture who is the fullness if the Godhead ?
Greetings,
Thank you.
I was also wondering if anyone could explain more what the fullness part means? The fullness AND the fullness of God.
In fact all of the Scripture
Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Bless you
and thank you again ....><>
Thank you.
I was also wondering if anyone could explain more what the fullness part means? The fullness AND the fullness of God.
In fact all of the Scripture
Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Bless you
and thank you again ....><>
I believe body and Spirit , in one Jesus was the body with the Father's Spirit in him, Jesus is the Father's body.
Like we have a body and spirit, made in his image.
Our spirit looks just like our body, and the Father is the Spirit in Jesus, that's why if you have seen
Jesus , you have seen the Father.
If someone has seen my body, they have seen me, but have not seen my spirit, which is in me.
No man has seen God at anytime , but Jesus said if you seen me, you have seen the Father.
Jesus is the flesh of the Father.
The Father is the Spirit of Jesus.
One God ,
Like we have a body and spirit, made in his image.
Our spirit looks just like our body, and the Father is the Spirit in Jesus, that's why if you have seen
Jesus , you have seen the Father.
If someone has seen my body, they have seen me, but have not seen my spirit, which is in me.
No man has seen God at anytime , but Jesus said if you seen me, you have seen the Father.
Jesus is the flesh of the Father.
The Father is the Spirit of Jesus.
One God ,
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Correct me if I am wrong, seriously please do. But is this not something that the Gnostics of old taught?
Blessings,
Travis
In the Gospel of Mark, in the 9th chapter Jesus comes to his disciples who are surrounded by a crowd and as they are being questioned by the scribes. And when they see
Jesus the multitude turned and greeted him. At which point he asks the scribes why did they question the disciples when one of the multitude answers him saying that he had brought
his son to him and spake to the disciples to help but they couldn't. Could one say that the man whose son had the dumb spirit wasn't a believer. If he didn't believe that the disciples
could cast out the dumb spirit then why did he take his son to them?
And as the man describes to Jesus that wheresoever the spirit leads his son, it tears him, and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: {Eph 4:14That we henceforth be no
more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;] And while there are many that will
say that they believe that man's son was possessed by a demonic entity, I am not one of them. And the reason I believe this is not true is not the result of unbelief but rather by faith. And thus when
they brought the son to Jesus, as written in Mark 9:21, "And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child." Therefore I ask you, what man knows the
things of a man, except the spirit of man which is in him? Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. John 12:44 And straightway the father of the child cried out,
and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. Mark 11:22
Now build upon the gift of faith you have received, not of man but of the Father.
For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not. As written in Genesis1:26, "
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"
[Prov 30:11 - There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.]
Reading through this thread there seems to be some confusion here. The Trinity Doctrine is a Roman Catholic Doctrine. They published it, they made it, and it belongs to them. That does not make it bad, or good.
The Modern Trinity doctrine states there are 3. WaterRock asks where does Jesus sit, and Trinity would state next to the Father. The Modern Trinity doctrine goes on to state that these 3 are 1. How does 3 co-equal beings suddenly become 1?
Catholic encyclopedia 1912 states that all 3 beings are separate but they are 1 and 1 God. This is not found in scripture but a mystery of the Christian faith.
So the authors of the doctrine state that it's not in scripture, scripture was never used to make the doctrine in the first place and 3 that become 1 is a mystery of Christian faith. Southern Baptist say it's to difficult for finite man to understand and Methodist call it a puzzle.
Now if you try to use John chapter 1 to prove a Catholic doctrine then that is not called Trinity but modalism. It's a mix of Trinity concepts and Oneness invented in 1914 by the Apostolic Church. Jesus becomes some "Word" part of a god system and trinity states he is a person, not the Father, not the Holy Spirit but God the Son who in the last days spoke to us His Fathers Word.
really no reason to debate this, it's a mystery of the Christian faith, not found in scripture, and you believe the doctrine or you don't believe it.
The true Trinity Doctrine and original of 325ad is scripturally correct, not the Modern verson that was published in the 1600's.
have a great day everyone.
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As far as I am concerned, aside from scriptures through out the Bible, I can only truly explain it like this: I don't care about one doctrine or another, by faith alone I believe I believe in the Holy Spirit, I believe in Jesus Christ and I believe in God, and my faith tells me that are all three separate and at the same time all three the same. I don't care what you call it, trinity or not, it is all true to me. Do I understand it no; no more than I , by scripture or not, no more than I do things like immaculate conception or resurrection, but by faith, I believe in them all!!!....some day I will just ask God how they all happened or I will automatically know at that time!
Amen, if that is what you believe, no issues there.
Paul said Husband and wife are one flesh and that is also a mystery. My flesh likes black coffee, my wife's flesh likes sugar and cream in hers. Hows that work if we are one flesh? (Eph 5:31)
The father gave His son Glory before the foundation of the World, the Father called his Son God (Heb) Jesus said I am one with the Father and said we are One in Him. We are not the Father, Jesus is not His Father but we are all One in each other. Now if you get that sorted, post the answer.
Keep in mind the Modern Trinity doctrine states there is only ONE GOD, the original did not but stated Jesus is God, as is His Father making 2. That is the issue I have with the Modern Doctrine because if after doing the Math you come up with just 1, then someone is left out. That is my issue with the Doctrine as the Antichrist denies Father and Son, the combination of them two.
All devils believe and fear God, they deny the Father and Son part and it was Jesus Christ the Son that came in the flesh.
Thank you for writing. Blessings, no issue we have to believe and stay firm to what we know.
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Love it. Spiritual life is full of mystery. God's word says that one of the greatest mysteries now revealed is God in you. That is the essential element to being a Christian for which God calls us holy, blameless, righteous and justified. Now who of us can honestly realize he is there in us 24/7? But it is true and no other God of any other religion does this!
Some may call it the duality
Because if she doesn't have sugar in the morning for her coffee, how does she get it if she never leaves the house, common brother tell me, I'll wait til you get back from the store :whistle
Mysteries are resolved, in order to solve it one has believe all things,search/inquire, gather testimony of witnesses, examine, test and prove all things and then the mystery of the faith is revealed.
Because if she doesn't have sugar in the morning for her coffee, how does she get it if she never leaves the house, common brother tell me, I'll wait til you get back from the store :whistle
Mysteries are resolved, in order to solve it one has believe all things,search/inquire, gather testimony of witnesses, examine, test and prove all things and then the mystery of the faith is revealed.
You posted that that I made the following quote but then turn around and said the Trinity Doctrine was a Catholic doctrine, I never said it was good or bad, just unprincipled.
What I meant................ Though I am not a fan of the Modern Trinity Doctrine, and not a big fan of a whole lot of things Rome believes, I understand folks do believe in some version or concept of Trinity/Oneness. Whatever the case there should be no division over it.
This doctrine of the Trinity (Or because folks hated the doctrine of the Trinity) Split the largest Pentecostal denomination almost in Half in 1928. The AOG Church came apart because of these doctrines and any Doctrine that cause people to dislike each other or shun the other means something is very spiritually wrong with it. A whole bunch of folks get upset at the 3 in 1 and a whole bunch of folks get upset at the 1 in 3, when both parties come to the same conclusion of 1.
So I am with you, not good, has caused more harm than good, but not that big a deal either if you don't get wrapped up in it. As I said, the Original Trinity Doctrine is scriptural correct for the most part.
Blessings to you.
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Are you Jehovah Witness?
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I think I may have been wrong. Gnostics seemed to believe that Jesus's body was hardly even real, that he wasn't really human. It would seem it was just the Arians who say that Jesus was only the body, the flesh of God, or something similar. I'll have to look it all back up later.
"Travis I would not know, I don't look for answers outside of scripture."
I hear that often. I think it's a silly excuse for not studying things of the past. If nothing else, we can learn from the mistakes of others. God has been teaching the church through men for millennia.
1 Corinthians 1
19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart." 20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
Though the wisdom of this world is useless, it is true that God has called certain men to preach and teach, to feed the flock of God. If they are called of God and faithful, they aren't preaching their own doctrine, but the doctrine delivered and revealed to us by God himself. If all you ever read is the bible itself and nothing else, that's good and all... but you are missing out on a lot. Preachers aren't called to stand up and just read the scriptures word for word and sit back down. Anyone can do that.
The Father was in Christ.... but Christ was also in the father, correct? A physical body cannot be in a spirit (can it?), only another spirit can be in a spirit, no?
Isaiah 9:6
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
That is one of the many names of Jesus Christ, Everlasting Father. It's a fitting title.
Isaiah 53
10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities.
Christ has offspring, namely believers. It makes sense to call him Everlasting Father because his offspring never perish, and especially so since that all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him, bodily.
Blessings,
Travis
Ok, I wasn't sure so I thought I would ask first.
But again you make a good point about the divisiveness over a doctrine.
