On The Trinity

[RJ]

Where is Jesus Christ now?

Please, with curtsey and respect, that was not my question.
@WaterRock you said:
Not really, it's a doctrine fabricated by the Catholic Church that the reprobates eat up because without faith anything is possible.

• You posted it, so please, Who are you calling a reprobate?

 

[WaterRock]

You can answer your own question by finding out where Jesus Christ is....

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,
@WaterRock ,

May I ask if the use of the word 'reprobates' is related to this definition :

(in Calvinism) a sinner who is not of the elect and is predestined to damnation.
(in Calvinism) predestined to damnation.

[From Middle English, condemned, from Late Latin reprobātus,past participle of reprobāre, to reprove : Latin re-, opposite; seere- + Latin probāre, to approve; see prove.]

Thank you and bless you ....><>

 

[Travis]

When you say Son of God, do you mean the Holy Ghost who is the lamb that given from the foundation of the world, or do you mean the man named Justus who in John 12:44 who cried and He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

Who is Justus?

Sorry I think I am lost, and I can't seem to find my GPS anywhere around here.

 

[WaterRock]

Greetings,
@WaterRock ,

May I ask if the use of the word 'reprobates' is related to this definition :

I was using it in regards to one who disregards, contradicts a known principle in order to support one's own interest or belief.
In another forum, a evolutionist offered to help me since I was so ignorant of the irrefutable proof that evolution was a unquestionable scientific fact.

So I asked him what was the falsifiable for the Abiogenesis hypothesis for non-living matter evolving into living matter. No response.
Personally, I think the person is just shortchanging themselves in doing so.

 

[WaterRock]

Who is Justus?

Sorry I think I am lost, and I can't seem to find my GPS anywhere around here.

And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. Col 4:11

 

[Travis]

And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me. Col 4:11

So wait...

Colossians 4
10 Aristarchus my fellow prisoner greets you, and Mark the cousin of Barnabas (concerning whom you have received instructions--if he comes to you, welcome him), 11 and Jesus who is called Justus. These are the only men of the circumcision among my fellow workers for the kingdom of God, and they have been a comfort to me. 12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ Jesus, greets you, always struggling on your behalf in his prayers, that you may stand mature and fully assured in all the will of God.​

Jesus himself was still on earth working side by side with Paul during his ministry?

Sorry, I still can't find my GPS, you're going to have to help me navigate this one.

 

[RJ]

Greetings,

This thread has been created from posts on a quite different topic.
PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR DISCUSSION,
Thank you
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When you say Son of God, do you mean the Holy Ghost who is the lamb that given from the foundation of the world, or do you mean the man named Justus who in John 12:44 who cried and He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
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Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.[

Where is Jesus Christ now?

And what, may I ask, does this have to do with there being or not being a Trinity?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,
@WaterRock ,

I was using it in regards to one who disregards, contradicts a known principle in order to support one's own interest or belief.
In another forum, a evolutionist offered to help me since I was so ignorant of the irrefutable proof that evolution was a unquestionable scientific fact.

So I asked him what was the falsifiable for the Abiogenesis hypothesis for non-living matter evolving into living matter. No response.
Personally, I think the person is just shortchanging themselves in doing so.

Thank you,

Bless you ....><>

 

[WaterRock]

And what, may I ask, does this have to do with there being or not being a Trinity?

Well, I thought it would give you an opportunity to sanctify the Holy Ghost in your spirit. But it seems there isn't much hope in a reply to my question.

So what does Jesus have to do with the Trinity, well to begin, it would seem to me that it would mean a lot to your position but if not then so be it.

Since it is written in 1 John 4:12 that "No man hath seen God at any time.." Is your intention to claim the scripture is in error or do you acknowledge you have not
seen the one true eternal God at any time?

 

[RJ]

Well, I thought it would give you an opportunity to sanctify the Holy Ghost in your spirit. But it seems there isn't much hope in a reply to my question.

So what does Jesus have to do with the Trinity, well to begin, it would seem to me that it would mean a lot to your position but if not then so be it.

Since it is written in 1 John 4:12 that "No man hath seen God at any time.." Is your intention to claim the scripture is in error or do you acknowledge you have not
seen the one true eternal God at any time?

As a continued discussion of whether there is or isn't a Trinity, I see no value in your above discussion, in fact it makes no sense. Why don't we just move on, you don't believe in the Trinity as I do and let's drop it at that!

 

[WaterRock]

in fact it makes no sense.

Of course it doesn't to you , but if the NT says no man has seen God at any time then how is Jesus the God of the 2nd personage?
And if the Bible is the Word of God then how is it said that no man hath seen God.?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,
one and all, in love and for love,
let us remember that no one must engage in any thread and doing so is entirely each member's own personal choice.
If we do not want to continue or reply, that is OK and at the same time, not replying does not automatically mean that one does not want to reply.
Sometimes there are topics and posts that we might not agree with, as members, but our hope is in the LORD, so let us all contribute in peace and with longsuffering, love one another.

Bless you all ....><>

 

[RJ]

Of course it doesn't to you , but if the NT says no man has seen God at any time then how is Jesus the God of the 2nd personage?

And if the Bible is the Word of God then how can you say you haven't seen God if the Word is God.

And if the Bible is the Word of God then how can you say you haven't seen God if the Word is God.

I am sorry but you scripturally have the term "seeing God" wrong, The word in fact, is specifically Jesus. If seeing the word is significant to seeing someone of the Trinity it would be Jesus, as John 1 Explains, but the seeing here is only symbolic. The seeing in the Bible is based a passage in Exodus and it started with God telling Moses that no man could see him face to face, that is the literally seeing that the Bible talks about, not your hypothetical seeing. If you say that is wrong, please show me a verse that supports that seeing thhe word is the same as the Biblical seeing God face to face!

 

[Travis]

I believe in the Trinity. And I'm pretty sure the Trinity believes in me, well.... believes that I exist that is.

@WaterRock, you don't believe in the Trinity?

Hows come?

Blessings,

Travis

 

[WaterRock]

Greetings,
one and all, in love and for love,
lBless you all ....><>

Understand and agreed, Matt 7:24+ I don't mind the meaty questions asked of me and if I ask any question out of line or innappropriate I hope you will advise of such.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings, again,
let us remember that we can discuss things that we understand without getting personal and/or turning a thread discussion into challenging each other on a personal level.

IF we have received of the LORD, it is a beautiful blessing and it is vital to remember that we have received such a blessing. All blessing from the LORD is given in love and we do well to minister in love that which we have received.
Building the Body in love is not body building which profits the flesh,
not by might and certainly not for showing off our muscles or gloating over them.

Post In Peace.

Bless you ....><>

 

[WaterRock]

I am sorry but you scripturally have the term "seeing God" wrong, The word in fact, is specifically Jesus. If seeing the word is significant to seeing someone of the Trinity it would be Jesus, as John 1 Explains, but the seeing here is only symbolic. The seeing in the Bible is based a passage in Exodus and it started with God telling Moses that no man could see him face to face, that is the literally seeing that the Bible talks about, not your hypothetical seeing. If you say that is wrong, please show me a verse that supports that seeing thhe word is the same as the Biblical seeing God face to face!

And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face ,Deut 34:10
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: Mark 10:27
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.John 6:46

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.1 John 5:7

 

[WaterRock]

I believe in the Trinity. And I'm pretty sure the Trinity believes in me, well.... believes that I exist that is.

@WaterRock, you don't believe in the Trinity?

Hows come?

Blessings,

Travis

Hows come? Faith

Since you believe, do you believe that the doctrine could be wrong?

 

[Travis]

Hows come? Faith

Since you believe, do you believe that the doctrine could be wrong?

Any doctrine could be wrong. Just cause something could be wrong doesn't mean it is wrong though. All men are liars. That doesn't mean that everything men say is a lie though. Not even everything the devil says is a lie. Methinks anyway.

I believe that the scriptures teach a tri-une God through and through, in whole and in part. I spent a good time studying the subject, to better clarify why I believe what I believe a while back, when interacting with someone who vehemently denied the Trinity. Mainly, I studied the Ante-Nicene church fathers and did a little bit of study on the man that John Calvin murderously condemned, Servatus. And Isaac Newton as well. Most people don't know he, Isaac, was an Arian.

I've never come across a person or a group of people who made a big to do about the Trinity being a false doctrine that I considered to really serving the Lord and doing his work. So I am a bit leary. Perhaps you may be the exception. I would at least like to hear what you have to say though.

Blessings,

Travis