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We pay a price for sin , in our bodies !
Of course , WE only need ask HIM to forgive us and mean it and it is gone forever more!
And if we sin in our minds and do not know we did? then get sick? He has provided for that also!

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

I know this REALLY does work! By personal experience

:love:

True Spirit1st, however, remember Job so those that are not healed immediately do not give up hope there is a purpose in our sufferings. God has not promised a life with no pain but a life which He will be with us through it all!! And then the banquet feast of the Bridegroom!!!
 
I am sure that I will have said this before. But here I am some pages later saying it again.

You are saved, only as long as you stay saved. I could enlarge, but you understand.

Follow Jesus. Practice His ways. Attend his Church. Love His family. Keep away from worldly things.

Stay saved.............
 
Greeings to all in Jesus name,
I believe that the Word of God is clear in teaching us that if we live in unrepented sin we will not inherit the kingdom of God. That we will be eternally seperated from Him. This includes those that have strayed from their life in Christ and live lives pleasing their carnal desires.
1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
I think, the misunderstanding comes from ? Not understanding Our Spirit from our flesh and Also the called and chosen!

The chosen are the elect.Born of GOD ,Sealed with the HOLY GHOST!
The called are those HE has called to be the elect , but must be tried !

The spirit is our eternal being, The true us!
The flesh All dies because of sin and CANNOT ever be pleasing to GOD 100%.
It can only be controlled and used by Our spirit for good!
Still, it must return to the dust HE made it from because of sin in its members.It could not be saved!
:love:
 
Do you understand what the problem was and is from the very first SIN?
It was sin, Sin affected our entire being?
Spirit , soul and body!
We see, the body dies because of sin!
The spirit is either BORN OF GOD or NOT????


When we dies or dump this flesh, Our spirit leaves it?
Now if BORN of GOD? We have perfect Spirit or sin free spirit!

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

So, WE see it is all all about our spirit!

All flesh returns to the dust HE CREATED it from!

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE LIVING WORD!

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Water is our first birth!
Our spirit is our last birth!

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Salvation is a NEW BEING.A spirit being and cannot lose its salvation!

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Once we are BORN AGAIN , HE keeps us!:love:
 
Knowing that even when I do stray aside, that He has already covered my sins to be...sends me back to Him again and again...or I would not readily return, if concluding that I had to earn my way back to heaven by my own works again and again, knowing that I would lose, being only flesh and fallable...with unforseen sins. He is not a roulette wheel, waiting for our number to come up...saved...not saved...saved...not saved...
Understanding this is part of the process of normal developement, spiritual as otherwise...mistakes happen.
This is confidence in the Lord that His word is true, even when mine isn't at times. Even when I don't really know so. Are you honest?
There are alot of scriptures that I could bring up at this time to back up this knowledge, but it's the Spirit that leads one into all knowledge...do you know Him?..or just know about Him?
When you read the bible, do you read it, or does it read you?
When you were saved were you saved at all? Was it a supernatural experience? Well then...Who birthed who?
Can you go back into your mother's womb and become unborn? How much more so in this matter being God's?
Forget your friends and father's house and learn to follow the Lord.
Isaiah 49:15 "Can a woman forget her nursing child and have no compassion on the son of her womb? Even these may forget, but I will not forget you. (NASB)
The only one who forgets, is the one who never came.
 
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Amen brother JJ, we can't be unborn. What God does is not some temporary thing. If you go back to the world and don't care about your sins, that doesn't prove people can be unsaved. That just proves you was never saved in the first place. People think that people that believe in eternal salvation are just saying that so they can do whatever they want, but that's not the case. Once you are truly saved by God, you will have the strive to live by His Holy Word.

Yes, we're going to fall, but God is a great shepherd. Imagine this, if a sheep went astray from it's shepherd, would a loving shepherd just let it go? No, God will chastise us and lead us back. If you don't feel conviction when you sin, you need to be asking yourself if your salvation is genuine or not.

1 John 2:19
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." KJV
 
John 10:22-39

The Shepherd Knows His Sheep

22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.[a] 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

Renewed Efforts to Stone Jesus

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe[c] that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.


(Has God provided salvation, or has God just provided us with a chance for salvation to those who accept Jesus Christ as a personal savior?)
(Does God do a saving work for mankind? or does mankind contribute something to their own salvation?)

FALL FROM GRACE = REJECTION OF JESUS CHRIST

Galatians 5:4

4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

1 Timothy 4
The Great Apostasy
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

(Unredeemed mankind who hold to THE FORM OF GODLINESSS WHILE DENYING THE POWER THEREOF)

John 15:6 (keyword ABIDING)
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

(no truth behind their confession)

Hebrews 6 states basically that the record must stand and failures are not erased by going back and being saved all over again.

THE UNFAITHFUL LOSE REWARDS

John 15:2
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

1 Corinthians 3:15
15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

THE WORK OF THE FATHER

(A)Purpose of God,( basic to our Security )

Ephesians 1:4
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

Hebrews 2:10
Bringing Many Sons to Glory

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

(B) The Power of God (to keep and save)

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

(God is able to keep)

Romans 8:31-34
God’s Everlasting Love

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

(C) Promise of God (basic to our security)

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 5:24
Life and Judgment Are Through the Son

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

(D) Love of God (basic also to our security)

Romans 5:7-9

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.


JESUS CHRIST'S WORK

(A) Provision of Son (basic to our security)

Romans 8
Free from Indwelling Sin
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit

(Author of eternal salvation)


Hebrews 5:8-9
8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

(IT IS FINISHED. PAID in FULL)

(B) Resurrection of Jesus Christ (provision for our security)

Ephesians 2:6
6 and (God) raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
(no enemy can challenge our being at home in God's presence)

(C) Jesus our advocate (basis for our security)

Hebrews 9:24
24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
(pleads the benifit of His death and value of His blood)

(D) His work as a Shepard (guarantee of our security)

John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

John 17:11-16
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[a] that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[c] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.


HOLY SPIRIT'S WORK

(A) HIS INDWELLING (BASIC TO OUR SECURITY)

Ephesians 2:22
22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

(permanant, not temporarily)

(the temple is now constructed of living stones)

(B) Baptism of the Holy Spirit (secure and safe)

1 Corinthians 12:13
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into[a] one Spirit.

Ephesians 5:27
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

(The bride is made up of many individuals. If any be missing , the love-gift from Father to Son would be imperfect.)

(C) Sealing work of the Spirit (making us secure)

Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[a] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

(The Holy Spirit is God's God's irrremovable , identifyable brand)


SUMMARY

God Himself secures those who seek Him as a refuge. He provides Jesus.
Noah was provided with an ark that He went into and God secured him inside. Jesus is our ark:
The Consummation of Love

17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

John 10:
9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
 
Amen brother JJ, we can't be unborn. What God does is not some temporary thing. If you go back to the world and don't care about your sins, that doesn't prove people can be unsaved. That just proves you was never saved in the first place. People think that people that believe in eternal salvation are just saying that so they can do whatever they want, but that's not the case. Once you are truly saved by God, you will have the strive to live by His Holy Word.

Yes, I too do agree here. I think this is biggest lie which has gone out in the churches today, which I do believe too, that some churches are busy now correcting and rectifying this lie. Many people out there, have only received salvation, and have not persued having a deeper relationship with God or opening up that wonderful gift, which God has given us. One only needs to open it up and manifest the power, which God has given us.

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

No one can overcome sin, unless they listen and obey to the holy spirit.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Yes, we're going to fall, but God is a great shepherd. Imagine this, if a sheep went astray from it's shepherd, would a loving shepherd just let it go? No, God will chastise us and lead us back. If you don't feel conviction when you sin, you need to be asking yourself if your salvation is genuine or not.

Yes we will fall and God will forgive us, but we do need to learn by our mistakes. We need to show remorse and with a genuine heart, go back to God and ask Him to forgive us and help us to overcome these difficulties that we are facing.

Col 3:5 Therefore, put to death whatever is worldly in you: your sexual sin, perversion, passion, lust, and greed (which is the same thing as worshiping wealth).

If one does not turn away from unrightiousness, these are the consequences.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
I think that to get to the point of salvation in the first place takes a deeper commitment than most people feel is necessary. "Believing" entails all of who Jesus is as a basis for going into a relationship that grows into deeper knowledge. But once saved then theirs the loss of rewards.

THE UNFAITHFUL LOSE REWARDS

John 15:2
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

1 Corinthians 3:15
15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

The Father has only one offer and that's eternal life and I think we all have the same full inheritance in it. But as time goes on we sell it off for things that we place higher (a bowl of pottage perhaps)
Kings, priests, Kingdom inhabitants and people of the nation all share in the millinium and I think we find our own place in it b/c God first gave us it all.
 
I just think? People are judging by the flesh!
And NOT the NEW CREATURE, HE has made the ELECT!

We are spirits, dwelling in weak sin full bodies!
Which ALL die because of sin!
We do not die ever , Because? We being BORN OF GOD [Born again also Born of our Spirit being]
Have been restored 100%!

It is very easy to judge wrong , if we look at the WEAK FLESH!
But, Our NEW CREATURE [our spirit] is far from weak . With HIS mind and Nature!
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

I know it takes and ACT of the HOLY GHOST TO SEE THIS!
The scriptures are clear!
:love:
 
I just think? People are judging by the flesh!
And NOT the NEW CREATURE, HE has made the ELECT!

We are spirits, dwelling in weak sin full bodies!
Which ALL die because of sin!
We do not die ever , Because? We being BORN OF GOD [Born again also Born of our Spirit being]
Have been restored 100%!

It is very easy to judge wrong , if we look at the WEAK FLESH!
But, Our NEW CREATURE [our spirit] is far from weak . With HIS mind and Nature!
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

I know it takes and ACT of the HOLY GHOST TO SEE THIS!
The scriptures are clear!
:love:

I said "I think" so as not to be called preaching but you should only judge the Word given not my grammer.
 
The answer is pretty simple, but i'm not sure which of the possible votes would be most accurate. The term apostate implies that a person once saved has fallen from grace, and cannot be forgiven again. But this only happens via blashpemy of the Holy Spirit, not for just any sin. This is when a person places their own carnal self, or any other above that Spirit that proceeds from God. In this case, a nonbeliever may be far better off than an erstwhile Christian, because they can repent and be forgiven.

Outside of this, a person's salvation is certain.
 
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The love of God is unconditional - He loved us while we were yet enemies.
Relationship with God is always conditional.

What is salvation? Is it a transacation that allows me to go to Heaven rather than Hell? Or is it something more? Is "Jesus" the secret password into heaven? Do I loose my ability to choose.

If it has more to do with relationship, do I loose my freedom to choose to walk or away from God once I commit to Him. I know people would answer saying that if people fall away then they weren't really saved in the first place. I find that answer very unnerving because if the answer to why great men of the faith, who were fully secure that they were saved, fall away is because they were never really saved, where then is my security.


I sincerely hope it has more to deal with a relationship. That I am saved from being separated from the Godhead into a fellowship with Him. It was Jesus who said, "this is eternal life, that they may know you as I know you." If salvation is based upon relationship, then I must meet the conditions for that relationship.

Another question to ask is would a loving God ever force somebody into or to continue in a relationship they did not want. We see in the world around us people forced into relationships and our very souls cry out that this is a violation. Why do we think it would be different with God.
 
SALVATION Is a NEW CREATURE!
With HIS mind and NATURE!
salvation has Nothing to do with the flesh.
It is a 100% NEW BIRTH!

Understanding , that GOD makes brand new 100% new beings of us, Should explain much to us!

Our NEW Being or spirit , hates these bodies!

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

We NEVER hear our spirit groaning, but theyu hate sin . JUST as Our LORD DOES!

How do I know that?
They are groaning to get away from the weak evil flesh!
They have HIS mind and spirit

They are not of this world , but of the KINGDOM and in CHRIST JESUS, And All in HIM has NO sin!


1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.


Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1Pe 5:14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
 
When we are born again we are in a sense then natural sons and natural sons can be disavowed or cut out of will in the NT culture. However adopted sons could never be disenfranchised.

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, KJV

Se we are in a legal sense doubly sons of God thus making our salvation secure.
 
even satan believes in jesus,but he has eternal death waiting for him...so i think it is just a little more than ,believing you have to live it.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

– John 3:16

that whosoever— that ANY person.

believeth— being saved is based on faith and trust in Jesus to save or faith.
 
SALVATION is of the Spirit and is a perfect gift as it is from above!

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Salvation is a NEW CREATURE! That cannot sin ever! It has HIS mind and nature!
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

These scriptures are about our spirit and not our flesh!

The flesh has already been judged and dies because of SIN!

We being the spirit within this flesh , Once BORN -AGAIN? Can never die!
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Sin is the killer , it separates us from GOD!

Once we are clean of sin? We can be back with and in our LORD!

We are to live though our spirit in this world!
God is the Father of spirit beings , which we are first!
:love:
 
What do you believe and why? Give scripture references and explain it, also, if you can, please explain a few scriptures of your choice that seemingly contradict what you believe. I hope this would be fun and would help us grow in the Word of God. I do not believe in OSAS and I will also make posts in this thread. :)

When we accept Jesus Christ into our heart, we are saved. It is His unconditional love, grace and mercy that changes us into new creatures. God is eternally faithful to us and that is why I believe in eternal security.

2 Timothy 2:13: If we are unfaithful, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny himself.

Now even when we are saved, God still gives us two choices:

>>> Either to be blessed.
>>> Or to be cursed.

It is our choice if we want to turn away from Him or not, He will still be faithful to us.

2 Timothy 2:12: If we endure hardship, we will reign with Him. If we deny Him, He will deny us.

But if we deny Him, He will deny us, but He will still remain faithful.

Now when we get saved and if we choose to rely on Him and believe in Him all the time then we will be eternally saved (once we're gone away from this earth).

But if we go astray and never repent, then we cannot be saved.

God bless you.
 
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