Once saved can we lose our salvation??

[strawberry]

Absolutely Perkins. I agree.

I think a lot of people are going to be in for a big surprise on J Day, especially those who believe that God is going to ignore the sins they've committed since being saved.
I think understanding that God may have a preportionate system of punishment could take a lot of the sting out of that realization.

Anyway, I think a lot of the punishment for walking away from God will be (as Perkins implies) in the bad fruit the backslider experiences in this life!

Peace. Beans

That's not Biblical. And Christians won't be J'd on J Day. Jesus died on the cross for our sins (past, present, and future), remember? There is NO condemnation for those in Christ.

Shocking how many Christians don't understand the Bible and the blood of Jesus (new covenant). The blood of Jesus is the permanent provision for sin. You will never be made righteous on your own accord, as that would be self-righteous. Righteousness is a gift from God through faith in Jesus.

This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. (Romans 3:22-24)

For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. (Romans 6:18)

because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:2)

And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. (Romans 11:6)

 

[spirit1st]

Doubt the killer! Without Faith we are in trouble!
It not US! It about what HE DID!
Rom_8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Heb_12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect


Heb_10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


1Co_6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Your Not keeping your self !you have no part in keeping your self pure !

Your Flesh p-art Only dies ,Because it a Sinner ! No one on this planet lives in a perfect flesh body or has a Perfect Flesh mind!

only our spirit is Perfect [Meaning ?sinless!


That is Why , we cannot look down on others ,They too have sin filled flesh bodies! Our body is no better than there body! Only our spirit if different !

Many do not understand salvation ! Thinking some how we can play a part in living perfect lives here !WE cannot ! People always want to plant seeds of Doubt in others !
But the truth sets us FREE! Once we know He did it all and He alone keeps us 1We seem to9 do Much better ,Thank You LORD JESUS!

The carnal thinker always thinks it carnal!
1Pe_1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

I do not put my Faith in me ,I put my Faith in Him!What HE has done and will do! Thank You Lord JESUS!

1Pe_1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

He already has Declared us Over Comers ,Once we are Born again!

1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

That is Why ? HE gets all the glory and Honor HE does it all!

The only thing is ?We must be Born -again ! We accept what He did and him as LORD of our lives ! Then He keeps us Forever more !

1Pe_4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

So many preach doubt !Because we are only his by Faith ! Many try to get us to Doubt! satan uses scriptures to try and trick us! Just as he did Our LORD JESUS!

Salvation is a perfect gift!
Jas_1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

God has never even lost one child ,no one can take us from our Father God! not even us ! We are sealed by the HOLY GHOST at salvation!

No one can break that Seal but our LORD JESUS and He died for All our sins 100%

Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


2Co_1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.


2Co_10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.


Joh_10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh_10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.



Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom_8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Only thur our Spirit can any of us Please our Father God!

Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

It Only our spirit that is Gods child and it CANNOT SIN!
1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


Our spirit after we are Born -again has no desire for sex or money or anything on this evil planet!It only wants to please him! it has the Mind of JESUS Christ and nature of JESUS Christ !

If we understand that ?Then we see our spirit could never sin!
It made just like our LORD JESUS


Gal_4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

We start off babies in our Spirit ,like any new birth !Then mature to grow up in our Spirit to be Just like our lord JESUS!

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:



1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:



This teaching is sound and Truth !I was taught by the Spirit of truth!

Never doubt our LORD JESUS!

 

[philosopher]

Hello mates, I haven't exactly caught up with the thread, but I remember our previous discussion on whether or not we distance ourselves from God, when we commit sin. At that time, I couldn't exactly pinpoint the verse but just recently I remembered it was in Isaiah. Thank you to Chad also for the reminder to come back to the forum!

''But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.'' Isaiah 59:2 (KJV)

 

[spirit1st]

He had not died for our sins in the old Testament! He died on the cross for our sins ! becoming the new testament , the new Covenant !
He now if we are willing makes us a New creaturE1 By giving us a New spirit that CANNOT SIN!

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Of course it only our new spirit that cannot sin.We still dwell in sin filled bodies that can sin and only die because of Sin! We never die! just move out of these weak dying bodies and go home New Jerusalem!

2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

 

[strawberry]

Hello mates, I haven't exactly caught up with the thread, but I remember our previous discussion on whether or not we distance ourselves from God, when we commit sin. At that time, I couldn't exactly pinpoint the verse but just recently I remembered it was in Isaiah. Thank you to Chad also for the reminder to come back to the forum!

''But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.'' Isaiah 59:2 (KJV)

That's talking about a sinner prior to believing that Jesus died for ALL of their sins. Don't you see, we are all still sinners? One can never earn God's love or righteousness through their own acheivments. It is only by faith in Jesus, believing that he died on the cross for ALL of our sins, that we receive the gift of Righeousness. We are only made righteous through the blood of Jesus, (Ephesians 1:7).

Romans 8:38-39 KJV

38 neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
​

God's blessings to you!

 

[spirit1st]

We are No longer sinner after being BORN of God !We still dwell a Short time in sin filled bodies !But leave them and go home New Jerusalem!

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.swaddled at all.



Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

1Pe_4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Hello mates, I haven't exactly caught up with the thread, but I remember our previous discussion on whether or not we distance ourselves from God, when we commit sin. At that time, I couldn't exactly pinpoint the verse but just recently I remembered it was in Isaiah. Thank you to Chad also for the reminder to come back to the forum!

''But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.'' Isaiah 59:2 (KJV)

Read the rest of the chapter Phil. GOD did not cast them off, HE remembers HIS covenant promises ALWAYS Those people did not lose their salvation either

 

[El Hombre viejo]

That's talking about a sinner prior to believing that Jesus died for ALL of their sins. Don't you see, we are all still sinners? One can never earn God's love or righteousness through their own acheivments. It is only by faith in Jesus, believing that he died on the cross for ALL of our sins, that we receive the gift of Righeousness. We are only made righteous through the blood of Jesus, (Ephesians 1:7).

Romans 8:38-39 KJV

38 neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
​

God's blessings to you!

Oh Strawberry. Speak for yourself here. I'm not a sinner!! Not me!! I was a sinner. Then I got saved by grace. Now I am the righteousness of GOD. In HIM

You cannot be a sinner and righteous at the same tiime now can you?


"We are only made righteous through the blood of Jesus" you said. How was Abraham made righteous?

 

[strawberry]

We are No longer sinner after being BORN of God !We still dwell a Short time in sin filled bodies !But leave them and go home New Jerusalem!

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.swaddled at all.

Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

We are still sinners by default; we will still sin as long as we are in these human bodies. We have to willfully defer to the Holy Spirit. The fact that we are sinners is what draws us closer to Jesus our savior, (Romans 4:6-8). Now, we are justified sinners - believers who receive the grace of justification.

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 5:1)

We still carry our testimony in our conscience that we are sinners, worthy of damnation; inclined to do evil and incapable of doing any good on our own without Jesus. We have nothing good to bring before God, but the righteous blood of Jesus that covers us.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." (Romans 3:23-24)

 

[Christ4Ever]

Well said Sister Strawberry!

Do you know how weird it looks what I just typed?
YBIC
C4E

 

[philosopher]

Read the rest of the chapter Phil. GOD did not cast them off, HE remembers HIS covenant promises ALWAYS Those people did not lose their salvation either

I never intended to say that those people lost their salvation permanently. But that verse still applies today in that if a person commits sin, it puts them at a natural enmity with God. The God we serve is a holy God and will not tolerate it. However, as we see in psalm 103, the Lord will not hold his anger forever and is willing that each of us should repent.

 

[philosopher]

I agree with strawberry on that issue as well. I think it is foolish and prideful to exclaim that a person does not sin anymore once they're born again. Willful sin is a different story but everyone except Jesus has sinned out of ignorance or in the heat of the moment. Look at the apostle Peter for example, when he cut off the ear of the Roman guard who was taking Jesus away.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8 (KJV)

 

[El Hombre viejo]

We are still sinners by default; we will still sin as long as we are in these human bodies. We have to willfully defer to the Holy Spirit. The fact that we are sinners is what draws us closer to Jesus our savior, (Romans 4:6-8). Now, we are justified sinners - believers who receive the grace of justification.

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 5:1)

We still carry our testimony in our conscience that we are sinners, worthy of damnation; inclined to do evil and incapable of doing any good on our own without Jesus. We have nothing good to bring before God, but the righteous blood of Jesus that covers us.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." (Romans 3:23-24)

Spirit1st gave you Rom 8:10 That verse was incomplete. Not the whole thought. Try this.
Romans 8:1-15 (King James Version)

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


Justified sinners. That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. You should find out what 'justified' means Strawberry.


Who told you that you have to sin just because you live in a mortal body?

1 Corinthians 15:33-35 (King James Version)


33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?


Hmmm You're told to wake unto righteousness and to sin not? If you're told not to sin it must be possible....Right?

 

[Beans]

I agree with strawberry on that issue as well. I think it is foolish and prideful to exclaim that a person does not sin anymore once they're born again. Willful sin is a different story but everyone except Jesus has sinned out of ignorance or in the heat of the moment. Look at the apostle Peter for example, when he cut off the ear of the Roman guard who was taking Jesus away.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8 (KJV)

I think I have to agree with Philosopher as well.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God!

El Hombre quotes a lot of scripture but what about the reality on the ground? We are all sinners.

Hmmm You're told to wake unto righteousness and to sin not? If you're told not to sin it must be possible....Right?

I don't think talking down to people is going to help anything. It's probably a sin too, right?

But I do agree with the spirit of what you (and the scriptures) are saying, that if we try not to sin, the God will help us not to.

 

[Brother Mike]

So we all be sinners?

Beans

El Hombre quotes a lot of scripture but what about the reality on the ground? We are all sinners.

We are sinners? Or Where sinners?

If we be just sinners still, then what hope is there?

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[jari]

if salvation is of grace, how can you loose it?

 

[David777]

I wonder.

How do you read this,

Luke 12

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

 

[jari]

How do you read this,

Luke 12

42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

good scripture. we can see from it that even you wouldnt serve that doesnt make you lose salvation. but if servants starts to eat and drink and beat other servants he's in trouple... well one thing we can ask about this kinda of servant that was he saved in the first place?
as servant does not mean saved.

God bless you

 

[David777]

Yes Jari.

Good to read your posts as usual.

The general meaning of the text is that the servant misbehaved.
He says "‘My master is delaying his coming", now who I wonder was his master, hmmmm.

Hey Jari, I do not remember but which group of "God's will is sovereign"
do you belong to. There are many that I have seen in the past.

 

[Brother Mike]

When talking about.

When I hear the talk about losing our salvation, I think of waking up in the morning with a note from Heaven stating that for reasons unknown, I no longer am a member and my account is now closed.

I then think who in their right mind would want to get unsaved anyway, and if they did somehow get themselves unsaved, why would they even care at that point.

Jesus Is Lord.