Once saved can we lose our salvation??

[faithfulservant]

I must return to this thread and declare something everyone here may find shocking: We're all wrong, but a little bit right!

I take God's doctrines very seriously. I am also acutely aware of the need to be open to reproof. For 3 years I've wrestled with God and His Word to know the truth on this very weighty matter. Internet debates on the matter led me to side with what was are very obvious and serious warnings about falling away, the outer darkness, the destruction of ones' soul in the New Testament. I felt it was best to error on the side of calling people to a closer walk than to teach people to take a casual approach to their salvation.

This was partly wrong, but that does not mean Jari or those who declare OSAS are totally correct.

The last couple months, the LORD has led me to some very meaty teachings on the matter, and I will give a brief description of this doctrine (which I feel clearly brings together the big-picture of our salvation wonderfully).

#1) Man is made in God's image. God is triune, and so is man. God the Father manifests as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Man's triune nature is manifested in spirit, soul, and body.

#2) Salvation in the New Testament is referred in the past, present, and future tenses. This is not difficult to see, and it is so for a reason: We are saved in three different ways. God saved us when we believed that Jesus died for our sins (justification and spiritual rebirth). God is saving those who have surrendered to the Holy Spirit's prompting at dying to ourselves to give say to Jesus in our life (sanctification of our souls). God will save our bodies upon the day of resurrection (glorification of our bodies).

#3) Let me expand on this a bit:

The spiritual salvation we experience when we believe Jesus is Lord and died for our sins is irrevocable, just as the scriptures describe. When we believe, God does the rest. It is finished. We are justified in His sight, we are "spiritually" circumsized and nothing we do can affect the holiness that has been imparted to us. The Book of Isaiah has many references to this glorious act. Our sins, past, present, and future, are as white as snow. They are as far away from God's eyes as the east is from the west. This wonderful gift secures our eternal place in heaven.

The salvation of our soul is based upon whether or not we've submitted to Jesus' Lordship. Are we picking up our cross? Are we dying to ourselves? Are we getting out of the way of the Holy Spirit when He wishes to do things for the Kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven? If so, we will be rewarded with the opportunity to "rule and reign" in the Millenial Kingdom of Christ when Jesus returns at the end of this age. This salvation is a reward for good works that Jesus' has done through us. This is where the path gets narrow. Not everyone who is called will be chosen. Every believer will stand before Jesus' judgment seat (judgment begins in the house of God). Our works will be tested by fire. The things we did on our own, not inspired by the Holy Spirit, will be burned up as hay, stubble, and wood. The works of God will endure the flames as gold, silver, gems. If that person has no works (only hay, wood, stubble) he will escape as a man escaping fire and retain his spiritual salvation. But, he will receive no place in the Millenial Kingdom and will spend that time outside of the Kingdom in the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. These believers will see they should have walked closer with the Lord as that's His will. Those who have been obedient to the work that was ordained for us from the foundation will be rewarded with a position within the Kingdom reflecting the amount of gold, silver, and jewels that remain after their works are tested by fire. These things represent what Jesus did through us while we surrendered, endured, overcame.

Finally, every single believer will be raised up with glorified bodies at a resurrection after the Millenial Reign has completed. We will all be in heaven and with the LORD always.

I encourage anyone who wishes to learn more of these truths to look into some men who sought and found this godly wisdom: D.M. Panton, Robert Govett, and G.H. Pember (there are many others, as well).

 

[jari]

But, he will receive no place in the Millenial Kingdom and will spend that time outside of the Kingdom in the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

sorry but this doesn't make sense to me. if we are saved spiritually why God still punishes us?
that part doesn't make sense to me...

also Jesus said servant who does not know Lord's will and does not do it will be punished only with few stripes.... servant who knew it on the other with many stripes... Luk 12:47 - 48 .
i think if you miss heaven it means God never knew you.
but if your saved He knows you.


(2Ti 2:19) Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

 

[faithfulservant]

Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

 

[jari]

Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

and?
what does this have to do with the topic?

oh i didn't mean God doesn't disciple us.
that's way different than being left behind or something.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

#2) Salvation in the New Testament is referred in the past, present, and future tenses.

I feel this is the key to unlocking this particular mystery.
Our concept of time creates a blind spot in our understanding.
I do feel your position has merit but still leaves questions.

There are many verses that defy our notion of time:
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Ecclesiastes 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
(Ecc 1:9) The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

There are also things that exist even though they never existed at all:
Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

There are also things that happened to you that you don't remember:
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Jesus the Lamb of God died for our sins and was raised 2000 years ago.
But the Lamb of God (Jesus )was actually slain from the foundation of the world.
So we were actually raised and seated with Christ before the foundation of the world.
In God,time and matter don't matter all the time.

Once we understand God's time it will become crystal clear.
But for now it's a little muddied.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

When we see things through His time it's very beautiful.

 

[David777]

Hello Thiscrosshurts.

Your argument is of course sound, we know so little.

I hope you do not mind if I use the following line thiscrossshurts.

In God, time and matter don't matter all the time.

 

[Beans]

Hi guys. Sorry for being away for so long.

I liked what Thiscrosshurts was saying about God's time. It was pretty profound and gave me a bit of a window into how eternity might work.

Some of what ByGraceAlone said did not make sense to me though. How can one part of our spirit be "saved" and not another part? What happens if we get to judgment day and we are "spiritually saved" but our soul is not saved? How could that work?

Now this statement........ If God was in Control, it would match the End of revelation. That is what it looks like with God in control. Who is the god of this world?

Jesus is Lord.

I don't know dude. Maybe it's a paradox? Maybe God is in control but he's pretending he isn't, or maybe he's really out of control and the Devil really is the "god of this world", as you put it. Actually I don't really see the latter as a viable theory, because IF the Devil was in full control of this world it would be HELL. So IMHO, I think that God gives the Devil a limited amount of freedom while protecting us from total chaos and depravity. But I get the feeling from reading Revelation (before the END part!), that God is going to keep giving the Devil more and more freedom as more and more people join his ranks.
That's why we have to be more than nominal Christians. When it come down to the crunch, we will have to choose...

Like Hombre said about the Mark, several posts ago.

 

[faithfulservant]

Some of what ByGraceAlone said did not make sense to me though. How can one part of our spirit be "saved" and not another part? What happens if we get to judgment day and we are "spiritually saved" but our soul is not saved? How could that work?

This is an important question, and I cannot say I have all the answers, but consider this:

God's abode is a spiritual one. Currently, believers from down the ages are there and are alive spiritually. What is their form like? I cannot say. I do know that they are not yet in a glorified body. They are able to communicate with one another, and they are able to see one another (consider the story of Lazarus and the rich man), but they are not in physical bodies like we will have after the resurrections.

Knowing this, consider what the resurrections are about. That is where believers will put on a new body and be like Jesus, in some measure, in His glorified state. Blessed and holy are those that participate in the first resurrection, which occurs just before the Millenial Kingdom of Christ happens. Those are the ones who have been chosen (remember, many are called, but few are chosen) to rule and reign with Christ on earth for a thousand years.

Those who are not counted worthy to participate in the Millenial Kingdom, as far as I can tell right now in my understanding, will remain in their spiritual state until the second resurrection where they will be judged. They will not retain their glorified bodies, but they will not lose eternal life with Father God in the third heaven. While those who have been found worthy will retain their glorified bodies forever.

It's a matter of rewards related to dying to self, bearing your cross, getting out of the way of Jesus in this life so that His life may reign and His works will shine in our acts. This requires a freewill act on our part to live for future rewards and not be focused on what we want in this life.

 

[Beans]

This is an important question, and I cannot say I have all the answers, but consider this:

God's abode is a spiritual one. Currently, believers from down the ages are there and are alive spiritually. What is their form like? I cannot say. I do know that they are not yet in a glorified body. They are able to communicate with one another, and they are able to see one another (consider the story of Lazarus and the rich man), but they are not in physical bodies like we will have after the resurrections.

Knowing this, consider what the resurrections are about. That is where believers will put on a new body and be like Jesus, in some measure, in His glorified state. Blessed and holy are those that participate in the first resurrection, which occurs just before the Millenial Kingdom of Christ happens. Those are the ones who have been chosen (remember, many are called, but few are chosen) to rule and reign with Christ on earth for a thousand years.

Those who are not counted worthy to participate in the Millenial Kingdom, as far as I can tell right now in my understanding, will remain in their spiritual state until the second resurrection where they will be judged. They will not retain their glorified bodies, but they will not lose eternal life with Father God in the third heaven. While those who have been found worthy will retain their glorified bodies forever.

It's a matter of rewards related to dying to self, bearing your cross, getting out of the way of Jesus in this life so that His life may reign and His works will shine in our acts. This requires a freewill act on our part to live for future rewards and not be focused on what we want in this life.

Actually, what you are saying makes a lot of sense. I have often wondered about John 20:17. Jesus, I assume, has a spiritual body at that point but does not let Mary Magdalene touch him because "he has not yet ascended to his Father". Which confirms your theory that there is a half way spiritual state that people pass with before they are "glorified". What is a bit confusing is that later ( verse 27) Jesus insists that Thomas Didymus thrust his hand into his wounds. Why could Thomas touch Jesus, but not Mary? Gender bias? Or had Jesus been transformed by this stage (it was 8 days later)? Although Mark 16:18 seems to indicate that he ascended into heaven after that time.
Also, in Luke 24:39 Jesus seems to be going to great lengths to convince the disciples that he is NOT a spirit, that may just be because they would not understand the distinction between being a spirit and being a "ghost" or troubled spirit. Who knows!?

The other aspect of what you wrote GraceAlone, struck a chord with me too. That is the idea of rewards in heaven. Jesus clearly talks about it in Matthew.

Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

You could argue that this applies to rewards in this life, but I think it could just as easily be argued that it applies to rewards in heaven. Maybe it's both?
But Matthew 5 and Luke 6 clearly talk of rewards in heaven for enduring persecution.

Mat 5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Luke 6:21 Blessed [are ye] that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed [are ye] that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Luke 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward [is] great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

Obviously, it goes without saying, that rewards do not apply to persecution that is brought on by our own stupidity or arrogance! :embarasse

Beans.

 

[Acebopata]

If one takes the mark of the beast....perhaps. No where, other than that, Do I see where someone can just lose their salvation. Weather it's once saved always saved or not, I'm still praying for guidance, but from what I gather in the Scriptures, It'd take a load of effort to do so, if nearly imposable,except for the taking of the mark of the beast.

 

[::PreciousinChrist::]

Yes you can lose your salvation.

You see, just because you are saved doesn't mean you are set for life.
You have to continually and conciously choose Christ and follow Him. Many people don't understand that therefore they live carnal lives.

The Word declares :

" Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Phil 2:12-13


God bless you

 

[jari]

Yes you can lose your salvation.

You see, just because you are saved doesn't mean you are set for life.
You have to continually and conciously choose Christ and follow Him. Many people don't understand that therefore they live carnal lives.

The Word declares :

" Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Phil 2:12-13


God bless you

this isnt true. because salvation is of Grace. so phil 2:12 must mean something else. what your describing is works based salvation where you must save your self and Jesus didnt save you.

 

[jari]

Yes you can lose your salvation.

You see, just because you are saved doesn't mean you are set for life.
You have to continually and conciously choose Christ and follow Him. Many people don't understand that therefore they live carnal lives.

The Word declares :

" Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Phil 2:12-13


God bless you

this isnt true. because salvation is of Grace. so phil 2:12 must mean something else. what your describing is works based salvation where you must save your self and Jesus didnt save you.

also if you think like that you cant really say your saved at all at any point but your continually trying to save your self. and how do you even know when you reach "salvation" well you don't as you are continually reaching for it but never know if you gained it.
only salvation by grace as gift can be instantly received . it's also impossible to loose it as you didnt do anything to gain it. so there isnt any criteria why God would take away your salvation that's a free gift.

 

[faithfulservant]

this isnt true. because salvation is of Grace. so phil 2:12 must mean something else. what your describing is works based salvation where you must save your self and Jesus didnt save you.

also if you think like that you cant really say your saved at all at any point but your continually trying to save your self. and how do you even know when you reach "salvation" well you don't as you are continually reaching for it but never know if you gained it.
only salvation by grace as gift can be instantly received . it's also impossible to loose it as you didnt do anything to gain it. so there isnt any criteria why God would take away your salvation that's a free gift.

This is all very interesting. I'm finding some things worth considering. Jude refers to a "common" salvation which is dependent upon faith:

Jude 1
3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.


James calls us to "put aside" our evil qualities for the salvation of the soul:

James 1
21 Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your souls.



And remember what Jesus said about not fearing what man can do to your body, but to fear what God can do to your soul and body?

So... Salvation is of the Spirit, wherein someone by the merciful grace of God is imputed Jesus' righteousness giving us justification. No one can earn this. It's a free gift to those who believe. Then, there is salvation of the soul, also known as sanctification. This will lead to the final method of salvation the LORD has clearly stated: glorification of the body.

 

[::PreciousinChrist::]

this isnt true. because salvation is of Grace. so phil 2:12 must mean something else. what your describing is works based salvation where you must save your self and Jesus didnt save you.

also if you think like that you cant really say your saved at all at any point but your continually trying to save your self. and how do you even know when you reach "salvation" well you don't as you are continually reaching for it but never know if you gained it.
only salvation by grace as gift can be instantly received . it's also impossible to loose it as you didnt do anything to gain it. so there isnt any criteria why God would take away your salvation that's a free gift.

We are not trying to save ourselves by "working out our own salvation" Because " it is God who works in us both to will and for His good pleasure".
We are already saved through Christ BUT now we need to choose to walk in the Spirit and lay aside every filthiness of the flesh! That's where the "working out comes in", that's where we are fighting the good fight of faith and laying hold of eternal life.
We are acknowledging God who IS IN US, and then are "working out our salvation" to be holy and acceptable in His sight, so that on the Day, our souls are saved and to be with the Lord forever.

If we are not concious that God Himself has chosen to live in us by the Holy Spirit then we will not put aside our fleshly lusts or "work out our own salvation" to be sanctified.

God bless you

 

[bgsda]

Read the book of Jude it explains it very well. Its a daily denial of self and picking up our cross daily and folloeing Him. The key word is daily. Think about I visit a church one day and i hear a feel good message and go to the front at the endr and get saved. Now the rest of my life i live .the same and stay a unrepentant sinner. Am i going to make it to heaven i believe not. And why would God be so cruel to leave me in heaven where i would not be happy at. Think about it. I would be miserable in heaven if i was a constant sinner down here. The angels were so called saved they were ex'd out of the book of life. The fallen angels. Israel were so called saved when they followed Moses out of Egypt and became Gods people and most died in the wilderness beczuse of disobedience. Its a daily walk with the Lord. It comes down to our choice. God is a God of free will. God bless

 

[Christ4Ever]

Agree bgsda with the context of what you are saying. The one who profess belief in Christ Jesus, and is not anxious over sin of which they are aware of in their life, should have even the most ardent follower wonder if they or that person is saved through the redeeming blood of the Lamb. This does not mean that we are perfect or that we must be perfect. As Paul himself noticed in himself (Philippians 3:12) that he was not so, but he continued to strive as we should too. Acceptance of sin in our lives only means that we stopped trying or fail to understand the damage/danger of sin. This is something we should never find easily acceptable in our life or in anyone else. We should continue to try to completely wipe sin from our lives so that we might be free of it, be it thought or deed.

If we do stop trying does this mean we have lost our salvation? NO. But should we continue to expect other believers to accept us as one who willingly continues to sin without making any effort to change? NO! An example of this is in scripture, which also was addressed by Paul and directed to the Church at Corinth (1 Corinthians 5:1-13).

Can anyone of us look at another and say in truth that person is saved or not saved? I can't and would leave to each of you to answer this in truth. Therein is the difficulty we face daily.

Until we too can see into the heart of a person, we can only go by their words, actions, and even then for a certainty we do not know what the future may hold for them. This is the state of the current Church, and probably has been the case throughout history. That only those touched by God, and called to be His Children can say, Mercy Dear Father on this unworthy sinner, and have Hope to hold onto, that God is faithful to His promise of Salvation through the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ His Son in the flesh. To excuse sin in any fashion is truly to negate the Sacrifice of our Lord on the Cross and would leave me to wonder what Gospel they truly believe in.

Does this answer once Save always Saved? No, but until the Day of the Lord I would hope that all professing believers would to the best of the abilities God has given to each of us; continue to run the race and to run it well.
YBIC
C4E

Felt moved to add this: Be wary brothers & sisters in Christ Jesus. That is why in 1 John 4:2-3 we are to test spirits to see if they are of God or not. Are they just deceived or of the Deceiver.

 

[jari]

Interpreation can vary a lot with verses like this BGA.

Jude 1
3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

What faith we need contend for? the saving faith in Jesus. not that we arent already saved. but for others salvation sake we have content for that was handed down to the saints

as it says in the next verse reason why Jude wrote this:

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

people who deny God obviously are not for Faith but against it.

James 1
21 Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your souls.

i think this is about believing the word if you havent accepted it yet. to those not received the word yet.

in anycase if salvation is instant then what james says must align with that, likewise does our interpreation of what James means.
Jude told in his letter not everyone has Holy spirit and that is because they don't have faith.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

which is why people need to accept the word that is able to save soul.
otherwise they never come to truth if they don't believe in God and ignore His words.

So... Salvation is of the Spirit, wherein someone by the merciful grace of God is imputed Jesus' righteousness giving us justification. No one can earn this. It's a free gift to those who believe. Then, there is salvation of the soul, also known as sanctification. This will lead to the final method of salvation the LORD has clearly stated: glorification of the body.

this is like saying once you were saved you werent saved after all, it was your spirit that was saved but soul remains unsaved. that doesn't make sense to me. bible talks about salvation of man. it doesn't speak about partial salvation. and If bible does say you are saved then i believe you are, otherwise it would be a lie.

so salvation cannot be progress because bible states you have been saved.

and not that your on the right track of possibly being saved.

compare the two. the difference is enormous and other one is not found from the bible while other is.

 

[jari]

We are not trying to save ourselves by "working out our own salvation" Because " it is God who works in us both to will and for His good pleasure".
We are already saved through Christ BUT now we need to choose to walk in the Spirit and lay aside every filthiness of the flesh! That's where the "working out comes in", that's where we are fighting the good fight of faith and laying hold of eternal life.
We are acknowledging God who IS IN US, and then are "working out our salvation" to be holy and acceptable in His sight, so that on the Day, our souls are saved and to be with the Lord forever.

If we are not concious that God Himself has chosen to live in us by the Holy Spirit then we will not put aside our fleshly lusts or "work out our own salvation" to be sanctified.

God bless you

well bible says that we have been saved. I think you are just making this all up. it doesn't say in bible we need to make our selves saved and God is with us. No it says God gave His holy spirit once we become believers and were saved and are now God's children.

i know you are gathering verses around the bible to make a doctrine out of it. lot christians do that . but at the same time you are ignoring that bible says it was grace that saved. and your turning this into works based salvation. Which is very uncertain way and not biblical as it really does say in bible you have been saved and not that you maybe saved.. Sanctification is also work of God that is foremost sanctification of the spirit and comes at point of salvation. you maybe battling flesh but this is not what God called us to do. There isnt any verse that tells we have fight against the flesh. but rather it talks of spiritual things in Jesus and His rightneusness given to us.
so it's all God's work 100% that we receive Holy spirit to sanctify us.
after salvation. but falling from grace like in book of galatians is possible which means we are not walking after spirit anymore but after flesh trying to justify our selves by the works of the law.
believer in Christ is already justified, which means he is saved by God's grace.

 

[::PreciousinChrist::]

well bible says that we have been saved. I think you are just making this all up. it doesn't say in bible we need to make our selves saved and God is with us. No it says God gave His holy spirit once we become believers and were saved and are now God's children.

i know you are gathering verses around the bible to make a doctrine out of it. lot christians do that . but at the same time you are ignoring that bible says it was grace that saved. and your turning this into works based salvation. Which is very uncertain way and not biblical as it really does say in bible you have been saved and not that you maybe saved.. Sanctification is also work of God that is foremost sanctification of the spirit and comes at point of salvation. you maybe battling flesh but this is not what God called us to do. There isnt any verse that tells we have fight against the flesh. but rather it talks of spiritual things in Jesus and His rightneusness given to us.
so it's all God's work 100% that we receive Holy spirit to sanctify us.
after salvation. but falling from grace like in book of galatians is possible which means we are not walking after spirit anymore but after flesh trying to justify our selves by the works of the law.
believer in Christ is already justified, which means he is saved by God's grace.

We are indeed saved by Grace through the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I have never mentioned that we need to save ourselves.... its not possible otherwise we are denying all that the Lord did for us.

We are saved and redeemed by the Grace of God, by the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.

we are not saving ourselves but we are working out our salvation by DOING what God tells us to do THROUGH HIS WORD!

In other words :
THE WORD OF GOD IS WHAT WILL KEEP US SAVED UNTIL THE DAY OF THE LORD IF DO WHAT IT SAYS CONTINUALLY AND CONCIOUSLY.
we shall then be called faithful servants of the Lord.


"Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls." James 1:21

"Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body BE KEPT blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful; he will surely do it. 1 Thess 5:23


So are we saving ourselves? No It is the Word of God.



Our job is to KEEP ourselves saved by the implanted Word of God. We are to "work out our salvation" through God's Word, we are not supposed to be lazy but diligent concerning our stand in Christ.

God bless you