Please help me understand DECEPTION & the Deciever

[watertolive]

You’re not preaching deliverance, you’re talking nonsense.
You picked the right thread,because if you believe that you can’t sin,you are most definitely deceived.

Greetings,
You can not hear what the Spirit is speaking.
As one has believed, so be it unto him.
Blessings in the Lord.

 

[lentz]

Greetings,
You can not hear what the Spirit is speaking.
As one has believed, so be it unto him.
Blessings in the Lord.

I hear what the Spirit says about this subject.
Tell me….when was the last time you lied? Do you remember?

I hear the Spirit,but I refuse to listen to mindless dribble

 

[watertolive]

I hear what the Spirit says about this subject.
Tell me….when was the last time you lied? Do you remember?

I hear the Spirit,but I refuse to listen to mindless dribble

No, I do not.
He is the all seeing, all hearing, all knowing God.
Perhaps if one keeps this in mind, they would not lie, nor sin, either.
My life, your life, is hid in Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 6:9-20 check it out
Be blessed.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[lentz]

No, I do not.
He is the all seeing, all hearing, all knowing God.
Perhaps if one keeps this in mind, they would not lie, nor sin, either.
My life, your life, is hid in Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 6:9-20 check it out
Be blessed.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

Your life and my life is to be laid out on full display. That is what Jesus meant by ,”No greater love than this,one lays down his life for his brother’.
It’s my life that witnesses for Christ.
The last lie you told was claiming you no longer sin.
But we have an Advocate. Ask and he will forgive you. IF you’re sincere

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Before the enemy takes [steals] opportunity to cause division...

Can we consider if our Father takes account of the sin(s) we err, if we have come to Him through the Door He has provided, being His beloved Son?

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Perhaps, if we count sin as how we might, outside of His Mercy and Grace, do we then remain in sin and therefore, death?

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If He would remove our transgressions like the morning mist, that is no more [and never will be] how ought we consider any condemnation of them?

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It has been submitted, in threads, that deliberately walking away would be to have total disregard for our salvation and our Saviour ...

and yet, the member posting the OP declares to have not done so.
Therefore, reasoning that the cleansing of the Law of the Spirit renders the believer justified before the Judge.

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Let us consider these points and let us not give place to the devil.


Bless you all ....><>

 

[watertolive]

Your life and my life is to be laid out on full display. That is what Jesus meant by ,”No greater love than this,one lays down his life for his brother’.
It’s my life that witnesses for Christ.
The last lie you told was claiming you no longer sin.
But we have an Advocate. Ask and he will forgive you. IF you’re sincere

No, it is Christ in us, living through us that is the witness to the world.

Spirit confess, did Jesus Christ come in the flesh?

Yes, He did. And continues to do so today by way of the Holy Ghost.
It is not I that lives, but He that lives in me.
As I live, move and breath, have my very being, I do so unto God.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Br. Bear]

But we have an Advocate.

Amen

If we have come to Him at the time of declaration of our condition before Him, is it faith to proclaim we still have sin that hangs on us and condemns?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Before the enemy takes [steals] opportunity to cause division...

Can we consider if our Father takes account of the sin(s) we err, if we have come to Him through the Door He has provided, being His beloved Son?

-----

Perhaps, if we count sin as how we might, outside of His Mercy and Grace, do we then remain in sin and therefore, death?

-----

If He would remove our transgressions like the morning mist, that is no more [and never will be] how ought we consider any condemnation of them?

-----

It has been submitted, in threads, that deliberately walking away would be to have total disregard for our salvation and our Saviour ...

and yet, the member posting the OP declares to have not done so.
Therefore, reasoning that the cleansing of the Law of the Spirit renders the believer justified before the Judge.

-----

Let us consider these points and let us not give place to the devil.


Bless you all ....><>

 

[lentz]

Amen

If we have come to Him at the time of declaration of our condition before Him, is it faith to proclaim we still have sin that hangs on us and condemns?


Bless you ....><>

That old nature still exists and is ever present with us.
I believe Brother Paul had a lot to say on the subject.
We will have that sin nature till we die.

 

[Br. Bear]

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 5:17

 

[MedicBravo]

Hello everyone,

I have this very strong, and by strong I mean BONE chilling fear about one thing.. please help me understand.

I was not born with knowledge of God or Jesus Christ.

I have only one thing that I fear, and that is transgressing God.

When I started studying the Word seriously a few years ago I had such strong despair, and I lamented greatly.

My twin brother has served in the military for more than 10 years. He's taken life. We know what the scriptures say. I can tell you for certain that his heart is from God. I lamented so greatly because of what the Word had written about taking life, and I woke one morning during that time and heard these words pass through me:

It was a devil who fought sin
It was an angel who fought war

SIn is spiritual and war is physical. He's my twin. I took it to mean this: I am a devil and he is an angel.

Scriptures give me the impression that man is seen as angel & devil and each have their own Word of Law written in their hearts.

Back to the subject:

Why do I have such a powerful fear of Gospel preaching?

It is not the Gospel or the preaching of Righteousness that I fear, rather it is this:

KJV
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


This to me is life or death; the deception.

If someone ia not ready to seek God or to hear the Word of God then how does one share the Gospel?

Rather, this very thought has caused a rift in me. I do not wish to share any lie with anyone, ESPECIALLY concerning the scriptures.

I didn't come to God until later in life either. I served as a Medic in the U.S. military. My MOS (job) wasn't to take life but to help the sick and wounded. However, I was given a weapon b/c it was my responsibility to speak for and protect my patients if some evil PoS tried to kill them and me. *Self defense IS condoned by God.
I've not killed anyone despite the numerous times I've been shot at and nearly blown up and even while giving medical treatment to our soldiers and foreign locals while deployed.
Pride was the first sin with Lucifer disobeying God. Adam brought sin into the world and Eve is why no woman can decide where to eat. They know all to well what happened the first time.
Satan knows his outcome. He wants to take as many of us with him as he can. For every heart won to God, the forces of Evil target and double down on that person.
I'm not going to speak for God but to say every person who's ever killed even in self-defense is automatically bound for Hell is untrue.
God is the only taker of life and I've no way to imagine how a person feels who's done it regardless of reason.
IMO, Satan would use that as that person's most damaging sin and you two and the rest of us must do more to help him.
Murder is not the unforgivable sin. Satan is another topic entirely and IMO, lengthy discussion on God, the Bible, what this world and lost people think of us is greatly lost through reading text.

 

[lentz]

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 5:17

And how one can say he/she sins no more? That would have to mean they think lying and lustful thoughts are okay now because Jesus forgave past sins.
Must be nice living in a dream world.

 

[twcstp]

And how one can say he/she sins no more? That would have to mean they think lying and lustful thoughts are okay now because Jesus forgave past sins.
Must be nice living in a dream world.

I do not understand why you've come so hostile.

I have been afflicted and made very uneasy by the repeated labeling of others as Sinners. It is not true; I made the truth known to you, that some are sinners according to their law, and some are righteous according to their law.

It is written: 'Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

I could continue to reveal to you the whole truth but you would not believe it. I will not see the world through your eyes. Christ is Jesus, and He came to destroy the works of the devil, and these are the works of the devil: to steal, kill, and destroy.

How ought I not be conflicted?

My human family cannot settle on the simple truth, which is love one another.

Be not decieved. He who does good is good; he who does righteously is righteous.

 

[lentz]

I do not understand why you've come so hostile.

I have been afflicted and made very uneasy by the repeated labeling of others as Sinners. It is not true; I made the truth known to you, that some are sinners according to their law, and some are righteous according to their law.

It is written: 'Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

I could continue to reveal to you the whole truth but you would not believe it. I will not see the world through your eyes. Christ is Jesus, and He came to destroy the works of the devil, and these are the works of the devil: to steal, kill, and destroy.

How ought I not be conflicted?

My human family cannot settle on the simple truth, which is love one another.

Be not decieved. He who does good is good; he who does righteously is righteous.

I’m not hostile I just tell the truth.
There will always be a warfare in the minds of man to obey Christ or the old man. And as his children we sometimes fall,sometimes wittingly or unwittingly.
But to say,because I was forgiven of past sins,does not mean the offense I commit tomorrow is not sin as well.

 

[MedicBravo]

And how one can say he/she sins no more? That would have to mean they think lying and lustful thoughts are okay now because Jesus forgave past sins.
Must be nice living in a dream world.

No one is sinless but Jesus.
For one to "claim" they are is nothing but pride and arrogance.

 

[twcstp]

I didn't come to God until later in life either. I served as a Medic in the U.S. military. My MOS (job) wasn't to take life but to help the sick and wounded. However, I was given a weapon b/c it was my responsibility to speak for and protect my patients if some evil PoS tried to kill them and me. *Self defense IS condoned by God.
I've not killed anyone despite the numerous times I've been shot at and nearly blown up and even while giving medical treatment to our soldiers and foreign locals while deployed.
Pride was the first sin with Lucifer disobeying God. Adam brought sin into the world and Eve is why no woman can decide where to eat. They know all to well what happened the first time.
Satan knows his outcome. He wants to take as many of us with him as he can. For every heart won to God, the forces of Evil target and double down on that person.
I'm not going to speak for God but to say every person who's ever killed even in self-defense is automatically bound for Hell is untrue.
God is the only taker of life and I've no way to imagine how a person feels who's done it regardless of reason.
IMO, Satan would use that as that person's most damaging sin and you two and the rest of us must do more to help him.
Murder is not the unforgivable sin. Satan is another topic entirely and IMO, lengthy discussion on God, the Bible, what this world and lost people think of us is greatly lost through reading text.

Thank you,

Also thank you all.


I am not a sinless man and I fall short, but this is different than what is counted as sin,

as God forgives transgression, and removes iniquity, the scriptures record also that the guilty will not be forgiven, and this is different than what we know; even Jesus said to the Pharisees that said 'we see,' He said, 'because you say that you can see, your guilt remains.'


Jesus is the true Messiah that takes away the sins of the world; to give sight to the blind, and to take away sight from those who see--to both, He is as our salvation, and to those who stand against Him and His people, and His children, doing as Satan does--accusses the brothren and sisters of Christ, and He does not forgive them unless they repent and turn to Him.


It is true, for He said to Nicodemus: 'Ye must be born again.'


What this means is to believe the Word and be made clean by the Word. We are made clean by His word, and by faith in Him. We are not sinners, for whosoever is born of God does the will of God, and that one does not sin. Thanks be to God for His Spirit, which will always convict us greatly if we do not obey the commandments; it is one who turns against this Spirit of God that the worst sin is accounted to, for the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth, and the Word is the Truth which is life and gives life.

It is written for us to know: 'and this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.'


I am found with great pains for the multitude of lies told in His name, for His name is the name of my Father.

Chief among those lies is that 'we would become like God, and reach Godhood.'

In the same church that taught me the Spirit of God, which is a true Spirit of love and mercy, ... the same church has also twisted the scriptures and added their own doctrine to the doctrine of the Gospel, and.. it has claimed it to be the true Gospel.

Indeed, this has been for me a great source of pain... lucifer wanted to be like God.. the serpent told Eve she would be like God.. my first Church teaches that we would reach Godhood... but the people are truly good people, and in them is no deciet, except a few. In them is no deciet, however, thiandoes not mean all the words are true--what the words mean to them and to me is a difference of the literal interpretations and it is also a matter of grammatical and scholastic fluency... not many people reach a near-to-perfect grammatical fluency, and for those of us that have great literary conprehension and rely of His Spirit as our primary teacher of the Truth, we do notice with striking discernment the subtilities of error, and the subtilities if deception.


Indeed, for we are not all 'gods.' As Jesus spoke to the Pharisees He said, 'Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most high.'

This verse has been perverted and has corrupted many, for the scriptures reveal the nature of the gods, and that nature is lordship and kingship, rulers over people, which nature does rest in judgement and truth; these are they whom are counted as gods...


This is important because we are seeing horrors manifested in our world over whose God is the true God, and many are killing eachother over this, because their eyes are shut to the spiritual truths given to us of our Father, and our Lord; such things ahould not be happening, and we know that it is happening because of violation of the law in the Spirit of Christ our Lord.

That violation is bowing to the ledger of the law, dishonoring the Spirit of the law; when the law of love and mercy is broken, so also is sin and death brought back to reign, whereas the law of sin and death were defeated so that we could walk in the Spirit of love and of Truth.


I don't see sinners, I see humans, and I always tell who is a snake, and who is a sheep. I can also tell who is oppressed severely of the devil; could I not? For I have been trialed by the powers of the heavens, and I have set forth no deciet from my mouth to decieve or to oppress.

My questions about deception, and sinners, and righteous people are valid, for Jesus is the Son of God who came also to serve the living God, and He did.

 

[lentz]

Thank you,

Also thank you all.


I am not a sinless man and I fall short, but this is different than what is counted as sin,

as God forgives transgression, and removes iniquity, the scriptures record also that the guilty will not be forgiven, and this is different than what we know; even Jesus said to the Pharisees that said 'we see,' He said, 'because you say that you can see, your guilt remains.'


Jesus is the true Messiah that takes away the sins of the world; to give sight to the blind, and to take away sight from those who see--to both, He is as our salvation, and to those who stand against Him and His people, and His children, doing as Satan does--accusses the brothren and sisters of Christ, and He does not forgive them unless they repent and turn to Him.


It is true, for He said to Nicodemus: 'Ye must be born again.'


What this means is to believe the Word and be made clean by the Word. We are made clean by His word, and by faith in Him. We are not sinners, for whosoever is born of God does the will of God, and that one does not sin. Thanks be to God for His Spirit, which will always convict us greatly if we do not obey the commandments; it is one who turns against this Spirit of God that the worst sin is accounted to, for the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth, and the Word is the Truth which is life and gives life.

It is written for us to know: 'and this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.'


I am found with great pains for the multitude of lies told in His name, for His name is the name of my Father.

Chief among those lies is that 'we would become like God, and reach Godhood.'

In the same church that taught me the Spirit of God, which is a true Spirit of love and mercy, ... the same church has also twisted the scriptures and added their own doctrine to the doctrine of the Gospel, and.. it has claimed it to be the true Gospel.

Indeed, this has been for me a great source of pain... lucifer wanted to be like God.. the serpent told Eve she would be like God.. my first Church teaches that we would reach Godhood... but the people are truly good people, and in them is no deciet, except a few. In them is no deciet, however, thiandoes not mean all the words are true--what the words mean to them and to me is a difference of the literal interpretations and it is also a matter of grammatical and scholastic fluency... not many people reach a near-to-perfect grammatical fluency, and for those of us that have great literary conprehension and rely of His Spirit as our primary teacher of the Truth, we do notice with striking discernment the subtilities of error, and the subtilities if deception.


Indeed, for we are not all 'gods.' As Jesus spoke to the Pharisees He said, 'Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most high.'

This verse has been perverted and has corrupted many, for the scriptures reveal the nature of the gods, and that nature is lordship and kingship, rulers over people, which nature does rest in judgement and truth; these are they whom are counted as gods...


This is important because we are seeing horrors manifested in our world over whose God is the true God, and many are killing eachother over this, because their eyes are shut to the spiritual truths given to us of our Father, and our Lord; such things ahould not be happening, and we know that it is happening because of violation of the law in the Spirit of Christ our Lord.

That violation is bowing to the ledger of the law, dishonoring the Spirit of the law; when the law of love and mercy is broken, so also is sin and death brought back to reign, whereas the law of sin and death were defeated so that we could walk in the Spirit of love and of Truth.


I don't see sinners, I see humans, and I always tell who is a snake, and who is a sheep. I can also tell who is oppressed severely of the devil; could I not? For I have been trialed by the powers of the heavens, and I have set forth no deciet from my mouth to decieve or to oppress.

My questions about deception, and sinners, and righteous people are valid, for Jesus is the Son of God who came also to serve the living God, and He did.

The Pharisees says they saw. But what they saw was not the truth.
When a person believes only good deeds or the law can save him,and and because of that,says” I see “, is seeing a lie,therefore his guilt remains because he is not actually saved believing a lie.

 

[twcstp]

The Pharisees says they saw. But what they saw was not the truth.
When a person believes only good deeds or the law can save him,and and because of that,says” I see “, is seeing a lie,therefore his guilt remains because he is not actually saved believing a lie.

The Pharisees saw the sins of the people of Israel and persecuted them severely, accusing them, then killing many of them; they, who were givers of the law, would not let the people repent of sin which would allow them back into the presence of God.

This is what Jesus was speaking of.

 

[lentz]

The Pharisees saw the sins of the people of Israel and persecuted them severely, accusing them, then killing many of them; they, who were givers of the law, would not let the people repent of sin which would allow them back into the presence of God.

This is what Jesus was speaking of.

Chapter and verse where this is said to be the case,please.
They could excommunicate but couldn’t stop people from repentance

 

[twcstp]

Chapter and verse where this is said to be the case,please.
They could excommunicate but couldn’t stop people from repentance

The Pharisees had spiritual blindness and violated the heart of the law: justice, mercy, and good faith.

What more do you need?