Please help me understand DECEPTION & the Deciever

[hopefulson]

Greetings in the Lord,
@lentz go read Romans chapter 6
then perhaps we will talk some more.
All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

I find that Redemption is far beyond any detailed understanding that is possible to me. We cannot hold Redemption in our hand and examine it. I am not inclined either to stop my aspirations at the door of defeat. I realize that it is a sin to say in myself that I have reached the goal and to stand upon that place. Paul referenced that very condition himself in regards to himself so who am I to say that the journey is over because of something I believe or some knowledge I have obtained. Life in God is a prayer continuously prayed. But there is more. Jesus remarks to His inquirer when asked ( what must I do to obtain eternal life?) Jesus's remark is obey the commandments and then He names a few. The ones He leaves out are quite revealing. He leaves out the first and the second upon which all the law and the prophets are hung upon. I would put forward that if these two commandments were obeyed the entire inquiry would not have been made because the enquirer would have knowledge within himself of a different kind of question such as how do I grow? From where does wisdom come? But that was not his perspective. To be fair and fully open to examination this Gospel account is found differing in more than one place with differing angles of perspective but in this account Our Lord's conduct as always is revealing. There is so much more here than we can get into in short snippets. There is a revealed yet hidden law of the nature and conduct of Jesus Christ and His relationship to God The Father that when approached will take your hand and guide your walk. Though ( Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ Is Lord ) His humility before God and His graciousness before all men even the one who betrayed Him was eternal and complete. This then is our right position totally prayerful and totally humble. That is the chief element of Our Lord's character on display. It was only the religious whose point it was to supplant Him that received judgement.

 

[watertolive]

I find that Redemption is far beyond any detailed understanding that is possible to me. We cannot hold Redemption in our hand and examine it. I am not inclined either to stop my aspirations at the door of defeat. I realize that it is a sin to say in myself that I have reached the goal and to stand upon that place. Paul referenced that very condition himself in regards to himself so who am I to say that the journey is over because of something I believe or some knowledge I have obtained. Life in God is a prayer continuously prayed. But there is more. Jesus remarks to His inquirer when asked ( what must I do to obtain eternal life?) Jesus's remark is obey the commandments and then He names a few. The ones He leaves out are quite revealing. He leaves out the first and the second upon which all the law and the prophets are hung upon. I would put forward that if these two commandments were obeyed the entire inquiry would not have been made because the enquirer would have knowledge within himself of a different kind of question such as how do I grow? From where does wisdom come? But that was not his perspective. To be fair and fully open to examination this Gospel account is found differing in more than one place with differing angles of perspective but in this account Our Lord's conduct as always is revealing. There is so much more here than we can get into in short snippets. There is a revealed yet hidden law of the nature and conduct of Jesus Christ and His relationship to God The Father that when approached will take your hand and guide your walk. Though ( Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ Is Lord ) His humility before God and His graciousness before all men even the one who betrayed Him was eternal and complete. This then is our right position totally prayerful and totally humble. That is the chief element of Our Lord's character on display. It was only the religious whose point it was to supplant Him that received judgement.

Greetings in the Lord,
The first and second commandments are what He spoke.
And if one will do these two, one will not fear or fall down to the rest.
Love God, first; with all our heart, mind, body and strength.
And love our neighbor, as ourself.

All wisdom and understanding comes from God.
If we lean to our own wisdom and understanding, we have deceived ourselves. Not only self, but blah, blah, blah, trying to feed it to others.
We can only testify to what we have seen, heard, and felt.
We can only preach, what the Holy Ghost has revealed to us, lifting the dark veil off the scriptures.

Yes, and through His humiliation, by the religious and gentiles, His judgment was taken away.

Only God can justify our actions.
Only God knows our heart.

Why was Jesus sinless flipping over the money changers tables?
He put Father God first.
His actions were justified by Father God, because He knows the heart of all flesh...and spirit.
Jesus did not go about for fame or fortune.
He went forth in the Holy Ghost, on a mission, to fulfill His part in Father God's will. And even He, being grieved in the spirit, asked God to take the cup from Him, however, not my will, but thy will be done.

Now we, one crying in the wilderness, yet again, are sent forth to make straight the path, and narrow at the gate of His salvation; preparing ourselves, and any who will receive us, for the return of the Lord.

Jesus did not come to condemn the world, but through Him the world might be saved.
Following after Him, was John beheaded. Stephan stoned to death, and others...
They walked in the Way, they believed in the Truth, and they died, in the Life of Christ, our Lord.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[hopefulson]

Greetings in the Lord,
The first and second commandments are what He spoke.
And if one will do these two, one will not fear or fall down to the rest.
Love God, first; with all our heart, mind, body and strength.
And love our neighbor, as ourself.

All wisdom and understanding comes from God.
If we lean to our own wisdom and understanding, we have deceived ourselves. Not only self, but blah, blah, blah, trying to feed it to others.
We can only testify to what we have seen, heard, and felt.
We can only preach, what the Holy Ghost has revealed to us, lifting the dark veil off the scriptures.

Yes, and through His humiliation, by the religious and gentiles, His judgment was taken away.

Only God can justify our actions.
Only God knows our heart.

Why was Jesus sinless flipping over the money changers tables?
He put Father God first.
His actions were justified by Father God, because He knows the heart of all flesh...and spirit.
Jesus did not go about for fame or fortune.
He went forth in the Holy Ghost, on a mission, to fulfill His part in Father God's will. And even He, being grieved in the spirit, asked God to take the cup from Him, however, not my will, but thy will be done.

Now we, one crying in the wilderness, yet again, are sent forth to make straight the path, and narrow at the gate of His salvation; preparing ourselves, and any who will receive us, for the return of the Lord.

Jesus did not come to condemn the world, but through Him the world might be saved.
Following after Him, was John beheaded. Stephan stoned to death, and others...
They walked in the Way, they believed in the Truth, and they died, in the Life of Christ, our Lord.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

This is a good point.
Why was Jesus sinless flipping over the money changers tables?
He put Father God first.

I will remember it too. There are many things that Jesus did that can be explained by this articulated position. Such as the cursing of the fig tree that withered away. It was not the season for figs but Jesus cursed it nonetheless. Now I can see it was a God lead expression. Interesting the fig tree is representation of Israel in other places. I wonder if this was God ordained symbolism? I think not though when Jesus wanted to say something He said it and even when he did not say something that also means something. I'm glad you said it

 

[Curtis]

Satan's number one “target” is the human “mind!” His second “target” is man's “tongue!” If he is able to cause us to think wrong we will speak wrong. Anytime we speak “words” contrary to what God has said, who we are, where we are, and what he has given to us is a sin!

Satan's number one “goal” is for our “deception,” Jesus told us the main sign of the end of days would be deception!

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and SHALL DECEIVE MANY.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, THEY SHALL DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT.

Jesus referred to many “trends” that will be happening in the last days, but the main “sign” would be deception! Deception will be so persuasive that if it was possible it could even deceive God's own elect! Of course, that is not possible when it comes to one's own salvation, but it could draw away some (fall away) who are not rooted, and grounded in love (not saved) to turn from the truth to believe something not true!

The Greek word for “deceive” is the word, “Planao” This is where we get our English word, “planet” What does the word planet have to do with deception?

Back in the biblical days, it was very common for people to gaze into the night skies and wonder in amazement at all the stars. They noticed that all the stars seemed to be in the same spot. Then they noticed a few stars that seemed to move across the sky. They did not have telescopes back then, so they did not know they were planets orbiting the sun, so they called them “wandering stars”

A person who has been deceived is like a wandering star who is not holding to the basic elementary teaching of Christ, but has been moved to believe something else not true!

Speaking about “false teachers,” the scriptures said.....

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom, the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; WANDERING STARS, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

Deception into believing the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the speaking in tongues, the power of God has all been done away with along with the last Apostles!! This is NOT true!! These are the very things needed in this time period so we can wage battle against our enemy.

Believing that these things have passed away will for sure not allow us to see their use within our mist!

You can not believe in what you do not know, and we certainly can not experience what we do not believe!!

 

[twcstp]

Watertolive,

I must praise God who is in you through Jesus Christ.

Indeed, once the new has come, the old wineskin is gone already. For it is by the fruit of the Spirit that is from above, which is the love of God, that casts off the old wineskin through His Son.

See, what this means is that sin has become utterly destestable IN us, and we, knowing SIN, and having been born of God, know also that those around us are not our enemies, but our family.

The man that is born of God is not in any way under the condemnation of the sin 'nature.' Above this, he is no longer the first man who is of the dust, but of the second Man, who is The Lord from Heaven.

Lentz, I encourage you to consider what is being said here as I am certain that many gifts from The Lord are present in this very thread with so many people that are rooted firmly in God.

God's Spirit is infinitely greater than the sin nature, so to speak, and darkness cannot dwell in perfect love--even as the light illuminates the dark, and the darkness fless.

Glory be to The LORD for He is my strength--Truly I tell you, from the day that I posted this thread to this present day, The LORD Himself delivered me through His Kingdom. Amen.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Does not understanding fit firmly in one hand, and wisdom in the other? Of a truth I tell you the Glory of our God is everlasting. For Solomon asked of The LORD that he be given Wisdom, and The LORD responded: see, I have given you a wise and understanding heart, so that there has not been anyone like you before you, nor shall any like you arise after you. Yet, one greater than Solomon came, The LORD Jesus Christ in Man.

JESUS taught us how to put satan under our feet. He was not teaching us how to put other men under our feet. He was teaching us how to put our satan under our feet.

He is the way, understanding has a testimony that this is true.

 

[hopefulson]

Watertolive,

I must praise God who is in you through Jesus Christ.

Indeed, once the new has come, the old wineskin is gone already. For it is by the fruit of the Spirit that is from above, which is the love of God, that casts off the old wineskin through His Son.

See, what this means is that sin has become utterly destestable IN us, and we, knowing SIN, and having been born of God, know also that those around us are not our enemies, but our family.

The man that is born of God is not in any way under the condemnation of the sin 'nature.' Above this, he is no longer the first man who is of the dust, but of the second Man, who is The Lord from Heaven.

Lentz, I encourage you to consider what is being said here as I am certain that many gifts from The Lord are present in this very thread with so many people that are rooted firmly in God.

God's Spirit is infinitely greater than the sin nature, so to speak, and darkness cannot dwell in perfect love--even as the light illuminates the dark, and the darkness fless.

Glory be to The LORD for He is my strength--Truly I tell you, from the day that I posted this thread to this present day, The LORD Himself delivered me through His Kingdom. Amen.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Does not understanding fit firmly in one hand, and wisdom in the other? Of a truth I tell you the Glory of our God is everlasting. For Solomon asked of The LORD that he be given Wisdom, and The LORD responded: see, I have given you a wise and understanding heart, so that there has not been anyone like you before you, nor shall any like you arise after you. Yet, one greater than Solomon came, The LORD Jesus Christ in Man.

JESUS taught us how to put satan under our feet. He was not teaching us how to put other men under our feet. He was teaching us how to put our satan under our feet.

He is the way, understanding has a testimony that this is true.

Hi I thought I would share this with you. It is a daily devotional of a preacher long gone by, but who with excellent clarity articulates the positional aspect of our faith to God and to morality itself. It is timely to your post in it's meaning.

The Transfigured Life​

By Oswald Chambers​

If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. — 2 Corinthians 5:17​

What idea have you of the salvation of your soul? The experience of salvation means that in your actual life things are really altered, you no longer look at things as you used to; your desires are new, old things have lost their power. One of the touchstones of experience is — Has God altered the thing that matters? If you still hanker after the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above, you are juggling with yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the alteration manifest in your actual life and reasoning, and when the crisis comes you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that youdid it. It is this complete and amazing alteration that is the evidence that you are a saved soul.
What difference has my salvation and sanctification made? For instance, can I stand in the light of 1 Corinthians 13, or do I have to shuffle? The salvation that is worked out in me by the Holy Ghost emancipates me entirely, and as long as I walk in the light as God is in the light, He sees nothing to censure because His life is working out in every particular, not to my consciousness, but deeper than my consciousness.

Thought I would include this. It is part of the Oswald post. I include it for the sake of a complete exposition of his work.

Wisdom From Oswald Chambers


Beware of isolation; beware of the idea that you have to develop a holy life alone. It is impossible to develop a holy life alone; you will develop into an oddity and a peculiarism, into something utterly unlike what God wants you to be. The only way to develop spiritually is to go into the society of God’s own children, and you will soon find how God alters your set. God does not contradict our social instincts; He alters them.

​

 

[watertolive]

I will remember it too. There are many things that Jesus did that can be explained by this articulated position. Such as the cursing of the fig tree that withered away. It was not the season for figs but Jesus cursed it nonetheless. Now I can see it was a God lead expression. Interesting the fig tree is representation of Israel in other places. I wonder if this was God ordained symbolism? I think not though when Jesus wanted to say something He said it and even when he did not say something that also means something. I'm glad you said it

Greetings in the Lord,
When one walks in the favor of the Lord, ask anything, in His name, and He will give it to you. Our heart must be beating in rhythm with God.
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[watertolive]

Greetings in the Lord.
I praise God for you all...even those who still has a heart of stone...for even they stir the spirit within...however, just because one knows the trail to the water doesn't mean they will follow good instruction. But plant the seed and God will send the water. Amen
God is ALL, and in you all.
Even darkness is another form of light.
It also has a job to do.
Many have never came out of their flesh.
For we are neither, bond nor free, male nor female, Greek nor Jew... preachers nor cons...
We are spirit's.
Now listen to the spirit that speaks, according to the Word of God, and make righteous judgments, listening to the Spirit, and obey His call.
When we put God first; we will not even break the second commandment, little own the rest. For God has indeed taken our heart of stone and has given us a heart of flesh. We feel everything.
Yes all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Yet, He takes us from glory to glory, right now, with each obstacle we overcome, keeping our heart, mind, body and strength focused on God.
And down the road, He moves us from glory to holiness.
Praise God for it!!!

He is the Potter, and, we, His lump of clay.
This alone, keeps one from thinking more highly of himself then he should.
Sometimes the clay has a flaw, a pebble, and it is a weak spot in the vessel He has touched. He knows it is there, we don't. And eventually the vessel collapsed because of the flaw. Does the Potter throw the lump away? No He does not. He graciously plucks the flaw from the clay, and begins reworking His vessel. This time perhaps there is no flaw, or pebbles left to cause a collapse. Then with a vessel properly composed by the Lord, we enter into the fire. Now another process is happening, we are being baked from the inside out. If we survive the firing process, we are taken out of the fire and are a vessel fit to be used by a King.

God bless you all for encouragement, even for bittersweet.
For it is in the bittersweet that this vessel knows God has given me His heart, mind, body and strength. For I am not my own, I belong to the Lord. He, alone, is the reason there is no sin found in me. What the Lord has cleansed call it not common, or unclean.

Again I ask, how can a born again, Holy Ghost filled, believer make it into heaven, a sinner?

He should be found alive in us right now, if we want to be found alive in Him on our last day.
For we are not living to die, but rather dying to live.

She, who loves Him alot, has been forgiven ALOT.
And those of us that has been given much, shall be much required from us, by the King.
Be blessed...stay blessed
For the Kingdom of God is at hand.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Bill]

Hello everyone,

I have this very strong, and by strong I mean BONE chilling fear about one thing.. please help me understand.

I was not born with knowledge of God or Jesus Christ.

I have only one thing that I fear, and that is transgressing God.

When I started studying the Word seriously a few years ago I had such strong despair, and I lamented greatly.

My twin brother has served in the military for more than 10 years. He's taken life. We know what the scriptures say. I can tell you for certain that his heart is from God. I lamented so greatly because of what the Word had written about taking life, and I woke one morning during that time and heard these words pass through me:

It was a devil who fought sin
It was an angel who fought war

SIn is spiritual and war is physical. He's my twin. I took it to mean this: I am a devil and he is an angel.

Scriptures give me the impression that man is seen as angel & devil and each have their own Word of Law written in their hearts.

Back to the subject:

Why do I have such a powerful fear of Gospel preaching?

It is not the Gospel or the preaching of Righteousness that I fear, rather it is this:

KJV
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


This to me is life or death; the deception.

If someone ia not ready to seek God or to hear the Word of God then how does one share the Gospel?

Rather, this very thought has caused a rift in me. I do not wish to share any lie with anyone, ESPECIALLY concerning the scriptures.

What God wants from all of us is to fall in love with him. It is plain and simple. As you know from Reading scripture God is love, and that's all he can do is love.

The devil on the other hand will always make a person or teach a church to fear God so greatly that they cannot experience the love of God at all.

So if you're in a church that wants to bring you down so terribly with the fear of God I would strongly suggest going somewhere else because that's not what God intended.

Jesus tells us to love God with all our heart. And Jesus tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves.

If your mother was really loving with you and you are very loving with your mom then you will understand the love of God.

Now think of it this way, if you have a really close relationship with your mom would you want to do things that would displease her, would you do things that would hurt her. I doubt you would do either of them. You would want to make her happy, you would want her to see how great a person that you can become. You want her proud of you.

It is the same with God, you want him to be proud of you.

Remember the only reason the thief fears the cop, is because he's a thief and does things that are illegal. The same thing is true with God if you wish to be a sinner then you have reason to fear God. But if you fall in love with God your creator. Then why would you fear Him

 

[hopefulson]

Hello everyone,

I have this very strong, and by strong I mean BONE chilling fear about one thing.. please help me understand.

I was not born with knowledge of God or Jesus Christ.

I have only one thing that I fear, and that is transgressing God.

When I started studying the Word seriously a few years ago I had such strong despair, and I lamented greatly.

My twin brother has served in the military for more than 10 years. He's taken life. We know what the scriptures say. I can tell you for certain that his heart is from God. I lamented so greatly because of what the Word had written about taking life, and I woke one morning during that time and heard these words pass through me:

It was a devil who fought sin
It was an angel who fought war

SIn is spiritual and war is physical. He's my twin. I took it to mean this: I am a devil and he is an angel.

Scriptures give me the impression that man is seen as angel & devil and each have their own Word of Law written in their hearts.

Back to the subject:

Why do I have such a powerful fear of Gospel preaching?

It is not the Gospel or the preaching of Righteousness that I fear, rather it is this:

KJV
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


This to me is life or death; the deception.

If someone ia not ready to seek God or to hear the Word of God then how does one share the Gospel?

Rather, this very thought has caused a rift in me. I do not wish to share any lie with anyone, ESPECIALLY concerning the scriptures.

I would like to jump in here and say this, That you have with the sweetest conscience dove right into this with honesty and devotion. I have a lot to say about this topic and the beauty of your heart that you have approached with but I don't have time to do it justice right now. It will be a joy to pray for you and your brother twcstp