PloughBoy was baptized in the Spirit, and I was baptized in the Spirit, and we seem to be the only two who comprehend Scripture.

[Fragrant Grace]

Greetings @David1954 and @PloughBoy

PloughBoy was baptized in the Spirit, and I was baptized in the Spirit, and we seem to be the only two who comprehend Scripture.

What a strange thread title and subject matter you have started Dave1954?

My first thought was to delete the thread.......but sometimes leaving things in the open serves to clarify situation a little more clearly.

Now whilst I could never claim to be as learned or knowledgeable as you two Dave1954 and Ploughboy.....a few points really stand out.

LOL,! Here they come! And I though “Rhema” and “Logos” would be a problem! and here comes “Sue”
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That seems quite a dig at a sister in the Lord
It might be quite hurtful?????

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:22-23

With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Ephesians 4:2

PloughBoy was baptized in the Spirit, and I was baptized in the Spirit, and we seem to be the only two who comprehend Scripture.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1 Corinthians 13:4

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Galatians 6:14


SO David1954 you say you are both are the only members who understand scripture...but you perhaps are lacking in love and humility.......which is very sad.

 

[Br. Bear]

an honest apology to Sue D would be in order.

 

[PloughBoy]

I am sorry Sue, but I meant no harm, , And also the rest of “TalkJesus” family. I will be more careful in the future when addressing others. It was never my intentions to do such harm.

 

[PloughBoy]

Should not walking in the “Holy Spirit” be a “characteristic” [fruit] of a “child of God” maybe I should correct that, because most Christians believe everyone is a child of God. I”m going to start going both ways! So children of God, all of you should consider, trying to walk in the “Spirit”

 

[Fragrant Grace]

I am sorry Sue, but I meant no harm, ❤, And also the rest of “TalkJesus” family. I will be more careful in the future when addressing others. It was never my intentions to do such harm.

Thank you @PloughBoy

I'm sure you will continue to be a blessing to others.

Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given Himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Ephesians 5: 1-2

 

[Curtis]

I am sorry Sue, but I meant no harm, ❤, And also the rest of “TalkJesus” family. I will be more careful in the future when addressing others. It was never my intentions to do such harm.

Being excited about one's salvation is a good thing, but sometimes it leads to saying things without first thinking about how they might be received. It reminds me of James and John when they said this......

Luk 9:52 And he sent messengers ahead of him, who went and entered a village of the Samaritans, to make preparations for him.
Luk 9:53 But the people did not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem.
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw it, they said, “Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”

But Jesus said to them...

Luk 9:55 But he turned and rebuked them.
Luk 9:56 And they went on to another village.

I have been guilty of saying dumb things in my past!

 

[David1954]

How do you know?

He told me.

 

[David1954]

I am sorry Sue, but I meant no harm, ❤, And also the rest of “TalkJesus” family. I will be more careful in the future when addressing others. It was never my intentions to do such harm.

It never occurred to me that Sue, whom you've always shown love and who has shown you the same, would have taken offense by your predicting she would have something to say about this.

 

[Hekuran]

It never occurred to me that Sue, whom you've always shown love and who has shown you the same, would have taken offense by your predicting she would have something to say about this.

@David1954 Did it occur to you to consider how your claim that of all the people using TalkJesus, only you and Ploughboy comprehend scripture might be received by the other members here?

 

[David1954]

@David1954 Did it occur to you to consider how your claim that of all the people using TalkJesus, only you and Ploughboy comprehend scripture might be received by the other members here?

It was an exclamation in celebration of finding someone who has been baptized in the Spirit.

I can't go to local assemblies because they get people to utter gibberish, telling them, that is being baptized in the Spirit.

 

[PloughBoy]

@David1954 Did it occur to you to consider how your claim that of all the people using TalkJesus, only you and Ploughboy comprehend scripture might be received by the other members here?

“Why are you trying to put logs on something that is “smothering “ out?” “Hekuran”!

(Proverbs 26).

20Without wood a fire goes out;
without a gossip a quarrel dies down.
21As charcoal to embers and as wood to fire,
so is a quarrelsome person for kindling strife.

I love “Sue” and she knows it

 

[Acts2:38]

Not tracking.

I will review those Scriptures.

But can you tie them together for me?

Sure. Each of those scriptures shows that each group/person/people had to be baptized. In ALL cases, except for when it states such explicitly, they are baptized into water. Peter and Paul both mention this, the 4 gospels mention such, and the book of Acts (aka book of conversion) mentions this.

Usually people who think it is just spirit baptism refer to Cornelius. Its the only one really that people can go to, who hold this idea. Yet Peter himself "Commanded" them to be baptized into water "can any man forbid them water".

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Only two times did the Holy Spirit act this way in the NT. Acts 2 and Acts 10. It represented the points in time that Peter uses the keys (Matthew 16:18-19) to open Christs kingdom (aka Church), "first to the Jew" then to the gentiles. In both accounts, you still see people getting baptized.

When the Greek word baptize or baptism comes about, it more times than not, refers to being buried into water. If it is not water, it will specifically say it and the context will show it.

Additional information

New Testament Baptism: In Water or the Spirit?

Are we baptized in the Spirit or in water?

www.christiancourier.com

 

[Acts2:38]

We should read?

Just tell us you have been baptized in the Spirit.

Yes, you should read them. Each account is done by being buried into water.

I received the Holy Spirit when I obeyed what scripture has pointed out.

Acts 2:38
Luke 13:3
Matthew 10:32-33 - Romans 10:9
Romans 10:17
Acts 22:16
John 14:15
John 15:14

Hearing the word, believing, repenting, confessing, being baptized, remaining faithful, are all part of salvation.

You are not in Christ unless you are baptized Galatians 3:26-27 / Romans 6:3-5

You do not receive spiritual blessings if you are not in Christ (by being baptized) Ephesians 1:3

You do not receive the Holy Spirit nor the remission of sins if you are not baptized Acts 2:38

Baptism is a command Mark 16:16

Baptism is into water is what is taught as Paul describes in Romans 6 and Peter states in 1 Peter 3:20-21 and the Ethiopian eunuch understood this Acts 8:36-39

 

[David1954]

Yes, you should read them. Each account is done by being buried into water.

I received the Holy Spirit when I obeyed what scripture has pointed out.

Acts 2:38
Luke 13:3
Matthew 10:32-33 - Romans 10:9
Romans 10:17
Acts 22:16
John 14:15
John 15:14

Hearing the word, believing, repenting, confessing, being baptized, remaining faithful, are all part of salvation.

You are not in Christ unless you are baptized Galatians 3:26-27 / Romans 6:3-5

You do not receive spiritual blessings if you are not in Christ (by being baptized) Ephesians 1:3

You do not receive the Holy Spirit nor the remission of sins if you are not baptized Acts 2:38

Baptism is a command Mark 16:16

Baptism is into water is what is taught as Paul describes in Romans 6 and Peter states in 1 Peter 3:20-21 and the Ethiopian eunuch understood this Acts 8:36-39

Baptism now saves you.

 

[Acts2:38]

Baptism now saves you.

Yes, I agree with this. The problem is people think it is "spirit baptism" only and they do not have to get baptized into water. Which is not true with the many examples in scripture.

 

[PloughBoy]

David, I am going to say this for your edification, Baptizing is only for identification. That you belong to a group, it is a outward sign, that you are a follower of “Jesus Christ”! It is simple. John was the front runner, the baptism ministry, for Repentance. Meaning change, turn around from “Judaism” something new is taking place, believe the Gospel! if you get “Baptize”you are saying I believe John’s message! A new messenger from GOD! Behold all things are new! You have to look at the mission of John in that day, and what it meant, By being Baptize you are denouncing a old and beginning of something new! You are following Jesus, He is also verifying the message of “John” the Baptist, this is “prophecy” coming to pass. Here are the verifications of his identity “. “Jordan River”. “The Father” [voice of God]The WORD and “the “Holy Ghost” appears at the same time”. “Witnessing”! You see to be “Baptized” to the Jewish people meant you as a Jew, was turning your Back on “ The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob “.
keep those thoughts in mind. If you get baptize, in the name of the Father , Son, and the Holy Ghost. That is the outer sign, and as Jesus got Baptize verifying. John’s message , you followed Jesus into John baptism openly verifying that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of Living GOD! Don’t get caught up in simple stuff! He has greater Truths for you!!!! “

1(Corinthians 2:9-16).
9However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived” b —
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. c 14The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?” d
But we have the mind of Christ.
Shalom !

 

[Acts2:38]

Listen to what scripture says David, not opinions. I provided plenty of scripture and I can bring in more, that baptism is how you become a "new creature". This denominational theory of "baptism is an outward sign of an inward" whatever is a bunch of hogwash. Baptism is just as important for salvation as believing, repenting, and confessing. They are all required of for salvation.

I see that 1 Corinthians 2:9-16 was mentioned out of context to prove a false teaching.

See, Paul is talking to people who are already Christians. How did they become Christians?

Anyone who follows this scripture can become a Christian:

1. Hear the word - Romans 10:17, Matthew 7:24-27
2. Believe the word is true and believe in Jesus - Hebrews 11:6, Mark 16-15-16 (not faith only), James 2:24, John 12:42.
3. Repent of your sins and transgressions - Act 2:38, Acts 17:30-31, Luke 13:3.
4. Confess Jesus is the Son of God - Matthew 10:32-33, Acts 8:36-37.
5. Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and to place you in Christ so Jesus can add you to His church and translate you into the Kingdom of God:Acts 2:38, Acts 2:47, Colossians 1:12-14.
   • Purpose: Acts 2:38, Mark 16:15-16, Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:20-21, Acts 10:48, John 3:5; Luke 7:30. Read 2 Corinthians 5:17 with Galatians 3:27.
   • Action: Romans 6:3-5, Acts 8:36-38, Mark 1:9-10, John 3:23.
6. Remain faithful until death - Revelation 2:10

Too many times were people baptized as a necessity for salvation:

1. Day of Pentecost Acts 2:22 and 36-47
2. Samaria Acts 8:4-13
3. Ethiopian Eunuch Acts 8:26-39
4. Paul(Saul) Acts 9:1-20 and 22:6-16
5. Cornelius Acts 101-48 and 11:1-18
6. Lydia Acts 16:13-15
7. Many Corinthians Acts 18:8
8. Philippian Jailer Acts 16:25-34

 

[PloughBoy]

I also will state this:
Chapter and verses are not a part of the word of God! Neither is it “divinely inspired by God”
Chapter and verses where added in the 16 century and receive high criticism by “ traditional & modern day scholars. The translators of the original text never even thought of such a thing,
Why, common sense! Imagining pick up a novel, pick out certain sentences and certain paragraphs out of it not even reading the book from the beginning to the end. Guarantee it will not match.
the scholars of the Bible, criticism this so highly, the Bible is never I say never to be use like this. Cherry picking!
“It produces “citing) passages” placing scripture in places to make up personnel books and stories, making up all forms of “eisegesis” to the form of one’s own mind. When the word of God is used in a “foreign way” it cease to be “the Word of God” then we become , a victim of our “puffed up mind”. In which we are not pleasing to GOD! Let’s try the “Michael Angelo “ approach instead of the “mosaic”
Shalom!
“Hermeneutics 101”. There has to be certain rules & order concerning places in the biblical text. So we all can come to the knowledge of Biblical truth” as one.

 

[David1954]

2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."

3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."

4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.

7 There were in all about twelve men.

 

[Br. Bear]

Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as My Father hath sent Me, even so send I you. And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
-somewhere in the Gospel of John