PloughBoy was baptized in the Spirit, and I was baptized in the Spirit, and we seem to be the only two who comprehend Scripture.

[Sue D.]

If I may add a comment?! To be saved per 1 Corinthians 15 -- no mention of baptism and as per Romans 10:9-10 belief in heart and confession with mouth unto salvation. -- again - no baptism is included.

Baptism by immersion is an outward action to show others the belief and acceptance that has already taken place In the heart. At some point After salvation the Holy Spirit Does let a person know that they do need to be baptized. It is something that is felt in your heart.

And in reference to post #38 -- the original manuscripts were written in Greek / Hebrew and some Armaic. Those languages back in that day were written very differently than 'today'. Every language is different.

And, yes, punctuation and individual verses were added by those who wanted to make Our reading and understanding easier and in accordance with the intended original message.

It's Also true that many modern day - traditional scholars don't like the message presented in God's Word.

And - absolutely -- rules of grammar and translation from one language to another. No two languages can ever translate exactly -- different alphabets. And things like 'figures of speech' in various cultures have to be understood and translated correctly. And serious translators of God's Word want to make it as sound as it was when God originally gave it to us through the Holy Spirit to Godly men that He, Himself chose. 2 Timothy 3:15 and 16.

In addition to all of this -- the English language has Also changed since the KJV was printed. The actual King's English is hard to understand, and scholars have up-graded Scripture into more modern English. It's Still God's Word. Nothing has been added to or taken out of.

 

[brighthouse98]

Proverbs 27:1-5 At an early part of my life, I to began to wonder if anyone understood the bible is to be lived as a light,not just spoken as one having the light. My pride did come before my fall,and I fell hard to. The wisdom of God is best expressed to me as others seeing Jesus in another,and not by me judging another.( Rom 12:3)

 

[Acts2:38]

2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."

3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."

4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.

7 There were in all about twelve men.

You are not thinking about the timeline of Johns baptism compared to when Paul reached out to these people. These were people who were baptized BEFORE the death of Christ.

Johns baptism was, for lack of a better word, a "transition" period. Those who died in that transition period were surely saved yes, but Paul now taught these people something they obviously didnt know and it needed to be corrected.

I showed you evidence that the Greek word for baptism is referring to water unless otherwise specified. Acts 19 here is baptism into water.

They were saved AFTER being baptized, though in order to receive miraculous gifts, Paul laid hands on them and the Holy Spirit obliged. Notice that they started speaking in tongues after Paul laid hands on them and they had the holy spirit? It was for gifts. They were saved when they were baptized just as Jesus commanded Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:19-20.

If you want to claim that we need to have apostles lay hands on us in order to receive the Holy Spirit and be saved, you can if you like. Just know that you would be wrong. Salvation does not come from laying of hands by a man.

 

[Acts2:38]

If I may add a comment?! To be saved per 1 Corinthians 15 -- no mention of baptism and as per Romans 10:9-10 belief in heart and confession with mouth unto salvation. -- again - no baptism is included.

Okay, lets use your theory.

You brought up Romans 10:9-10. Good. To use your theory, that verse also doesnt say that you need to repent, nor remain faithful. So by your theory, because that verse doesnt state it, then you must not need to repent or remain faithful.

You and I both know that is false.

Luke 13:3 tells us that unless we repent, we will perish. Oh, but by your theory, it doesnt have confessing or believing or remaining faithful, so we must not need it. Its not in this verse.

What about Acts 2:38? By your theory, it does not say to have confession nor believing. So we must not need it because its not in this verse.

Anyone can see that the theory you apply is incredibly flawed.

How do you obey 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?

Romans 6:3-5.

Please think about what you are saying. Just because it is not specifically in THAT verse, doesnt mean it is not necessary.

1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

At some point After salvation the Holy Spirit Does let a person know that they do need to be baptized.

What would be the point? In your theory, they are already saved. Placing myself in your shoes, where is the scripture that states it is important to be baptized after one is already saved. It would not be necessary. You dont need to prove it to people by dunking in water because Romans 10 stated that with my confession/mouth I am saved. My words would tell people.

Baptism by immersion is an outward action to show others the belief and acceptance that has already taken place In the heart.

Wrong. What is my username?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Baptism is so you can get remission of sins and receive the Holy Spirit.

It is also to be IN Christ Galatians 3:26-27

It is also so you can get spiritual blessings IN Christ Ephesians 1:3

The scripture is quite clear.

 

[David1954]

If you want to claim that we need to have apostles lay hands on us in order to receive the Holy Spirit and be saved, you can if you like. Just know that you would be wrong. Salvation does not come from laying of hands by a man.

5 Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

Baptized in water and baptized in the Spirit.

 

[Acts2:38]

5 Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

Baptized in water and baptized in the Spirit.

Exactly yes.

Acts 2:38
...be baptized, for the remission of sins, and you will receive the Holy Spirit

Of water and spirit.

 

[David1954]

Exactly yes.

Acts 2:38
...be baptized, for the remission of sins, and you will receive the Holy Spirit

Of water and spirit.

In my case, baptism in the Spirit was about eighteen months after I was baptized in water.

 

[PloughBoy]

Proverbs 27:1-5 At an early part of my life, I to began to wonder if anyone understood the bible is to be lived as a light,not just spoken as one having the light. My pride did come before my fall,and I fell hard to. The wisdom of God is best expressed to me as others seeing Jesus in another,and not by me judging another.( Rom 12:3)

So true!
And this may be true as well, especially when we are dealing with biblical words and our brothers and sisters in Christ, and how the enemy plants deception in our minds, to turn us against one another that are in Christ.
Example: Let’s us take the word “SEEM”. In it’s context, in the “title” of this post. What does the word “seem” mean, at its exhausted state in the post? Let’s check out a light exhausted look.

• 1.2cannot seem to do somethingBe unable to do something, despite having tried.
  
  ‘he couldn't seem to remember his lines’
  More example sentences
• 1.3it seems" or "it would seemwith clause Used to suggest in a cautious, guarded, or polite way that something is true or a fact.
  
  ‘it would seem that he has been fooling us all’
• 
  Give the impression or sensation of being something or having a particular quality.

 

[Acts2:38]

In my case, baptism in the Spirit was about eighteen months after I was baptized in water.

Not according to scripture my friend. You were instantly saved once you were baptized as commanded by the word of God.

Like Pauls example

Acts 22:16

and the Ethiopians
Acts 8:35-39

 

[PloughBoy]

Well, did Apostle Paul, get saved when he fell on the ground and had a vision of Jesus? Did he get Baptise first, signifying He believe in Jesus? Then the Holy Spirit come on him after Ananias laid hands on him, then he baptise him. So at what time did he get saved? Main question: was he “induce” by a outside force, to help him make up his mind?

 

[PloughBoy]

Not according to scripture my friend. You were instantly saved once you were baptized as commanded by the word of God.

Like Pauls example

Acts 22:16

and the Ethiopians
Acts 8:35-39

Quick note: Phillip was persuaded by the good news, Saul , wasn’t ! He was persuaded by something else!!!!

 

[David1954]

Not according to scripture my friend. You were instantly saved once you were baptized as commanded by the word of God.

Like Pauls example

Acts 22:16

and the Ethiopians
Acts 8:35-39

I think, in every case, baptism in water and baptism in the Spirit were separate events.

 

[Acts2:38]

Well, did Apostle Paul, get saved when he fell on the ground and had a vision of Jesus? Did he get Baptise first, signifying He believe in Jesus? Then the Holy Spirit come on him after Ananias laid hands on him, then he baptise him. So at what time did he get saved? Main question: was he “induce” by a outside force, to help him make up his mind?

Quick note: Phillip was persuaded by the good news, Saul , wasn’t ! He was persuaded by something else!!!!

First question: No, Jesus told him that someone will tell him what he must do

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Second question:
Usually when one begins to believe, they are lead to repent, confess and be baptized.

In Acts 2 the people were cut to the heart. They now believed in peters message. "What do we do?" they asked. Peter told them Acts 2:38.

Third question:
Cornelius went through the same situation basically. when he got the Holy Spirit it tells us it was for miraculous gifts ("scales fell off his eyes" Paul) Cornelius spoke in tongues.

Still, to obey the word of God, one must be baptized to be saved.

Cornelius did it "who can forbid them water... and peter commanded them to be baptized"

Paul did it "Arise, why are you waiting, be baptized and wash away your sins calling on the name of the Lord."

By the way, baptism is for the remission of sins too. Hence the wash away your sins Acts 2:38; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 3:20-21

 

[Acts2:38]

I think, in every case, baptism in water and baptism in the Spirit were separate events.

Like I showed, if its not in water, it will tell you specifically by context etc.

 

[David1954]

Like I showed, if its not in water, it will tell you specifically by context etc.

Sorry. What?

 

[Acts2:38]

Main question: was he “induce” by a outside force, to help him make up his mind?

Most all Christians have an outside force of a sort to help make up their mind to obey the gospel. Friends, family stranges etc.

 

[Acts2:38]

Sorry. What?

I responded to your statement here...

I think, in every case, baptism in water and baptism in the Spirit were separate events.

 

[David1954]

Like I showed, if its not in water, it will tell you specifically by context etc.

In every case, baptism in the Spirit and baptism in water were distinct events separated in time.

In my case, baptism in water preceded baptism in the Spirit by more than a year.

 

[Acts2:38]

In my case, baptism in water preceded baptism in the Spirit by more than a year.

Oh, I see what your saying now. Thanks for clarifying.

Though, can you explain more what you mean.

When one is baptized, they receive the holy spirit along with remission of sins Acts 2:38, it all happens there on the spot. Those who are in Christ are saved, and have been baptized Galatians 3:27. They also have spiritual blessings being in Christ Ephesians 1:3

So what do you mean? If you can elaborate more I would appreciate that.

 

[Sue D.]

I'm going to interject a situation -- many years ago there was the granddaughter of a friend of ours who'd visit during the summers -- they took her to VBS that one year as a youth and she accepted Jesus Christ as her personal Savior. Wonderful -- except that her parents were of a denomination that believed in infant sprinkling. They had Had her sprinkled as a baby and so - as far as They were concerned -- their daughter was just fine. But the Daughter -- after having accept Christ - felt the desire to be baptized by immersion. She asked her parents if she could be baptized. They said No. And after That, it was decided to move away from the influence of the grand parents. She was told that when she turned 18 if she Still wanted to be baptized by immersion that That would be her decision as an adult. But until Then, she lived in Their household under Their spiritual leadership.

So -- according to Scripture -- was the young lady completely saved? or Not?

And what about the person who accepts Christ in a situation where they Can't be baptized by immersion upon their salvation. Maybe they've been saved on an airliner that crashes 1st or a car accident -- they've been reading their Bible or talking to someone in the vehicle -- accept Christ and then are in a fatal crash. Are they completely saved?

Does baptism become a 'good work' Unto salvation? Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, Not of works, lest anyone should boast."

Isn't the blood of Christ shed for our sins sufficient in and of itself sufficient to save our soul?!