Pre Tribulation Rapture of the Church

Eric E Stahl · Jun 6, 2013

DutchChristian · Jun 6, 2013

Beware many teach falsely!

Eric E Stahl said:
(((The church age saints will not go through the tribulation)))

one day you will know, that this here above statement is not the Truth. (as dispensationalism is a very wicked lie, and pre-trib rapture is a lie too)

As The rapture is after the tribulation and after the antichrist has arrived and will not happen until the LAST TRUMP which is at the end.

*2 Thessalonians 2:
3 Let no man deceive you!!! by any means: for that day shall >>>not<<< come , except there come a falling away first!, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

*Mark 13:
24 But in those days, >>>after<<< that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

*Matthew 24:
29 Immediately >> after << the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

*emphasis mine

You see The Word Says it.

Listen:

There is no secret rapture (as in two raptures) of the Lord's saints, folks: be not deceived! There is only ONE rapture and it is going to take place O YES, but it does not happen until at the last trump, at that moment yes some will be alive and caught up but will not precede the dead who will rise first.

1 Corinthians 15:
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:
15 For this we say unto you by the Word of The Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet The Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with The Lord.

John 11:
24 Martha saith unto Him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

We need not to listen to all those doomsday predictors prognosticators, date setters let our focus RATHER be on our Lord JESUS CHRIST The Word of God!

Let us be firm in the WORD and not follow after vain things that do not help us nor edify us in any way!

Wake up people! we need to endure until the end, due to (dispensationalism and pre-trib rapture, and yes even OSAS) false doctrine many look to be at ease for themselves and so are sleeping in the Body of Christ, WAKE UP!

Listen read this post again very carefully:

The LORD's saints (who are alive at that time) must all endure to the end (with many hardships such as: Mark 13:12-13, Matthew 24:9 etc.) and must go through the tribulation.

eldon · Jun 6, 2013

i received some testimony from someone who said that the rapture is at the second coming.

this means:
those who are resurrected leave the earth and get new bodies and go to heaven or are sent (back to) hell
those who are raptured get new bodies and leave the earth and go to heaven.
those who are not raptured (myself) die a natural death after the Lord comes back (if i live through it) :for the purpose of re-populating the earth during the next age.
there is at least one age after the millennial reign. (if its another 1000 or 2000 or 500 years i could care less) ( i do find it interesting there is another lunar tetrad around 2500)

get any idea that the whole earth will be toasted and or becomes hell itself out of your heads.

as to if the rapture is 3.5 years before the second coming, or 7 years prior, i could care less.

also note that before or just after the Lord's return. every single unrighteous person will be dead.

also keep in mind that a Canadian prophet (i cannot confirm this word)
said that "If God could find 50,000 righteous men to repent on behalf of America, he would withhold much judgement)
meaning, there aren't that many here.

Eric E Stahl · Jun 6, 2013

eldon · Jun 6, 2013

Eric E Stahl said:
<style>  </style> When God takes the Christians out of the world, he will not let the world with out a witnesses.

Revelation 11:3
3 "And I will give power to my two [SUB]g[/SUB] witnesses, [SUB]h[/SUB] and they will prophesy [SUB]i[/SUB] one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

God sends two witnesses who act like the Old Testament prophets and call the world to God. Many will be saved. They are the saints that are persecuted during the tribulation.

where does it say he will take the Christians out?

Ophel · Jun 6, 2013

eldon said:
where does it say he will take the Christians out?

Where in all of scxripture does the word of God mention the Church being here during the time of Jacob's trouble? In every instance where God sends judgment upon those who 'dwell on the earth', no one turns from their sin---everyone is entrenched in their denial of truth. The Church is just not here.

eldon · Jun 6, 2013

Ophel said:
Where in all of scxripture does the word of God mention the Church being here during the time of Jacob's trouble? In every instance where God sends judgment upon those who 'dwell on the earth', no one turns from their sin---everyone is entrenched in their denial of truth. The Church is just not here.

revelation 12.
the woman is the church.

during the last 3.5 years the Christians are completely driven out of society and supernaturally provided for by God. that means manna from heaven for food if needed.
we're still here while the antichrist is deceaved by himself and satan into thinking he killed all the saints.

we're not even in the final 7 years yet.

if no human christians are left on the earth, who is here to repopulate the earth during the 1000 years?
you think after the resurrection we're able to marry and reproduce? that is the fruit of the flesh, a requirement for God to fufill one of the purposes for which he made man (i am being cryptic for a reason)

those who are raptured are transformed into their new bodies and are no longer able to reproduce.

I already told you i could care less if the rapture is 3.5 years or 7 years or 1 year (the times being shortened for the sake of the elect)
as i am not getting raptured. it does not concern me in the slightest.
.
--once you leave the planet, that's permanent. there's no coming back. this is the first heaven as far as i am concerned.

spirit1st · Jun 6, 2013

I too believe strongly in the Catching away [rapture] ! Many scriptures reveal it 1 But then again it takes spiritual understanding and must be revealed to us by the Holy Ghost !

personally, I think if you do not believe in it ? Then you should try to prepare for the living hell ahead of you !

I looked for it every since I saw New Jerusalem ! On the one hand I want it too come ! Then again I kind of dislike it coming , because I know so many with die after we are gone ! Who then will be here to be used by our LORD to lead others to JESUS ?

Where will healing be and hope for others ?

We are the light He uses in this dark dying world !

Nothing is more important to mankind than Salvation ! Still many are suffering in the flesh even now ! It going to be LOTS worse after His body leaves here !

The Holy Ghost is holding back the more serious evils that will take place after the true church leaves here !

It the Holy Ghost that holding back this evil that going to come upon all mankind left here !

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Luk_21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

The Great Tribulation will be the Worse time ever on this planet 1

Rev_3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Rom_1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Col_3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Rev_14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev_15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
His wrath is Never toward His own family and household ! That why there is a catching away !

1Th_5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Rom_4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

That why satan tries to get people to preach against FAITH ! Faith is so important in our lives !

Eph_3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God,

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh_17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

oh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Do you understand ?

When You tell people you live a sinless life and they must too ! That when they find out they cannot ? Many give up and never get
Born again or when they are , they too give up and think they cannot live so perfect as you 1 Why try !

You do more harm than good !

I seen it happen lots of times !

Rom_14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom_15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

This is Us Returning with our LORD after the great tribulation ! There are two more scriptures that confirm it also !

Jud_1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Everyone who preaches things that do not understand arte not false teachers ! they just lack understanding like you appear Dutch !

We can only live in the Light we have !

Ophel · Jun 6, 2013

eldon said:
revelation 12.
the woman is the church.

during the last 3.5 years the Christians are completely driven out of society and supernaturally provided for by God. that means manna from heaven for food if needed.
we're still here while the antichrist is deceaved by himself and satan into thinking he killed all the saints.

we're not even in the final 7 years yet.

if no human christians are left on the earth, who is here to repopulate the earth during the 1000 years?
you think after the resurrection we're able to marry and reproduce? that is the fruit of the flesh, a requirement for God to fufill one of the purposes for which he made man (i am being cryptic for a reason)

those who are raptured are transformed into their new bodies and are no longer able to reproduce.

I already told you i could care less if the rapture is 3.5 years or 7 years or 1 year (the times being shortened for the sake of the elect)
as i am not getting raptured. it does not concern me in the slightest.
.
--once you leave the planet, that's permanent. there's no coming back. this is the first heaven as far as i am concerned.

Revelation 12 is a synopsis of history. How does the body of Christ ever get driven out of anywhere, when we are the light of the world and the salt of the earth? Holy Spirit dwells in us, and as joint heirs in Christ, we have all His authority to drive the Antichrist and his forces to the abyss where they belong! We are not some milquetoasty group!

There will be millions who survive the Tribulation who will be alive and mortal to repopulate the earth. It certainly won't be the Bride, and they won't all be believers (but be sheep and goats), for we will already be in our glorified bodies, anbd will return with Jesus, and will have already undergone the Bema Seat Judgment of Christ and received our rewards, which will include our official jobs as government of the Millennial Kingdom..

eldon · Jun 6, 2013

i'm not going to argue when i've been given revelation that is not for unbelievers.

there is a rapture.
i could care less when it is.
i'm not getting rapture, as i already stated.

if unbelievers survive the tribulation.. when do they go to judgment?

eldon · Jun 6, 2013

the archangel Michael holds back the antichrist.

and he is no longer restrained.
he is a child.

take this up with God and prophecy to me that i am deceived.
if i am, this would be a relief regarding the other hand grenades i've been tossed.
(heck, i threw a few of them a few months too soon..)

spirit1st · Jun 6, 2013

This is us Returning with our LORD JESUS after the great tribulation ! GOD wrath on a evil rejecting truth world1

Jud_1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
1Th_4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Ophel · Jun 6, 2013

eldon said:
i'm not going to argue when i've been given revelation that is not for unbelievers.

there is a rapture.
i could care less when it is.
i'm not getting rapture, as i already stated.

if unbelievers survive the tribulation.. when do they go to judgment?

You can tell me of your revelation because I am a believer! Put it to the test.

There is an 'harpazo' of the Bride of Christ, and as a King's kid, I am included in that. If you are a believer, you are also. Tribulation is for the unbelieving world, and Israel, and any who survive and are deemed worthy (as Israel will receive her Messiah during that time), Jesus will set up the Sheep and Goats Judgment at that time, to determine who remains in the Millennium. The final Judgment happens after the Millennium and after Satan's last attempt to destroy the Lord and His Kingdom.

Ophel · Jun 6, 2013

eldon said:
the archangel Michael holds back the antichrist.

and he is no longer restrained.
he is a child.

take this up with God and prophecy to me that i am deceived.
if i am, this would be a relief regarding the other hand grenades i've been tossed.
(heck, i threw a few of them a few months too soon..)

Where does the word tell you that the Restrainer is Michael? In my book, and many others' the Restrainer is Holy Spirit, who dwells in His people, the Church.

Who is a child?

You don't care when the Rapture is, and I don't care who the Antichrist is, because he will have no power over me, even if I am here when he first rises to power.

peteDXN · Jun 7, 2013

Do not build your "sound doctrine" on these coments,----some way out stuff here this morning.

Eric E Stahl · Jun 7, 2013

spirit1st · Jun 8, 2013

Because the HOLY GHOST will not be dwelling in anyone here ! Of course many who were on the fence ? Will see the truth clearly and accept JESUS CHRIST as there LORD and many will be killed for it ! They will not take the mark !

They will know they missed the Catching away ! They might have preached against it ? Then see they missed it and repent !

My understanding has changed lots over the last 41 years of having salvation !
I started off believing everything the pastor said 100% ! In my zeal , sure i caused lots of pain ,judging others !

I even forced people to go to church !

Eric E Stahl · Jun 8, 2013

spirit1st said:
Because the HOLY GHOST will not be dwelling in anyone here ! Of course many who were on the fence ? Will see the truth clearly and accept JESUS CHRIST as there LORD and many will be killed for it ! They will not take the mark !

They will know they missed the Catching away ! They might have preached against it ? Then see they missed it and repent !

My understanding has changed lots over the last 41 years of having salvation !
I started off believing everything the pastor said 100% ! In my zeal , sure i caused lots of pain ,judging others !

I even forced people to go to church !

2 Thessalonians 2 10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

No second chance to get saved after the rapture for those who rejected Jesus before the rapture.

Warn your loved ones now!

angel in hope · Jun 8, 2013

The way i see it is that..we should be ready at all times...pre rapture or not..we need to keep our lamps full of oil at all times..Cause Jesus will come when we not expect it...amen

spirit1st · Jun 8, 2013

Lots get saved during the Great Tribulation 1 Many killed during that time because they accepted the LORD!

Rev_6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev_7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

2Co_6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Lots of people in this world hear the Truth ! Yet put off accepted our LORD as LORD!

They been tricked into thinking they will lose something ? They lose nothing ! He is our purpose for living here and Forever more!

He only wants the best for us !
We were created by LOVE too LOVE and give LOVE ! God is LOVE ! Love is the very core of our being! Everyone on this planet wants to be loved and give love ! Even the worse vile being on earth !

Amazing how a few dumb vile angels can keep so many from our purpose ! We lose so much here and in the here after !

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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