Pre Tribulation Rapture of the Church

DHC · Jun 8, 2013

spirit1st said:
He only wants the best for us !
We were created by LOVE too LOVE and give LOVE ! God is LOVE ! Love is the very core of our being! Everyone on this planet wants to be loved and give love ! Even the worse vile being on earth !

Hello Spirit1st.

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As someone said earlier, do not build a view of eschatology based on the previous posts!

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Yes Spirit1st, how true is your line.

We were created by LOVE too LOVE and give LOVE ! God is LOVE ! Love is the very core of our being! Everyone on this planet wants to be loved and give love !

You could not have summarized the Bible more accurately Spirit1st.

God has touched you deeply Spirit1st.

Mankind has one distinct, powerful failing in history, No Love.

Only in Christ has true Love ever been witnessed.

Faith in Christ and Love from a pure heart, I am not aware of any other doctrine.

eldon · Jun 8, 2013

well I'm not really supposed to be prophesying on the internet anyway but David Lankford is another individual who has declared the case to be that the Archangel Michael holds back the Antichrist. he and Steve Q agree on a pre-wrath rapture.
which is what the Archangel Michael told me, that he restrains..
anyhow, as to where it says in the Bible that it is an angel, well, where does it say its the Holy Spirit will be taken away?

lol, like i said. i am not getting raptured, in fact one of the first things the Holy Spirit told me was i am a son of God and i will die, right out of Psalms 82:6-7
i decieved myself soon afterward to mean that i wasn't qualified to be raptured. that wasn't true. and the Lord rebuked me for that very quickly, after i prophesied that to be the case to someone. i am qualified. i'm not going to state the qualifications to be raptured, as i don't know all of them.

in fact, when what i thought what was the Lord said to me, as i'm reading past 2 Thess. 2:6-8 i hear "I do" and i challenged who spoke to me and replied.. that's not what David Lankford said.
anyhow, at the time i probably should have asked the year that the antichrist was no longer restrained. but i didn't. i suspect he was born a short time after that blood ritual known as 9/11 was sealed by america's lack of clear thinking in my opinion. that is my judgement.
anyhow, i shouldn't be doing that either.

now as to a pre-wrath rapture, pre-tribulation, mid trib..
there are people who think we're in the tribulation now. uh, i'm not going to say that's not the case because if you need to think the end is tomorrow so that you stay awake and watch and keep your lamps filled with oil, well, that's just where you need to be right now.

i recieved testemony from someone who is in a position where the Lord would have rebuked him if this is not the case (that is my judgement)
and he said the rapture is at the return.
those he returns with are likely those who were resurrected at his death, 1980 years ago. (this thought just occurred to me right now)

anyhow, those saints all have their new bodies and can't reproduce i suspect.
so some of us mortal men have to stay alive to repopulate the earth during the 1000 years, and on into the next age. (Ephesians 2:7)

hope that clears it up for you.

also, seems most rapture dreams and visions involve people being either killed on this planet and then they are instantly back in "heaven on earth" --which sounds like paradise. or they are then taken up into the sky, and then return to earth in the same spot.. but again seems from my memory most of these involve some kind of "heaven on earth experience"

not a return to a nuclear wasteland.

eldon · Jun 8, 2013

i replied as a second post to stress this point.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 NKJV - The Great Apostasy - Now, brethren, - Bible Gateway

go back to the greek and you'll see its not a pre trib rapture but rather a pre-tribulation FALLING AWAY.
but that's an argument for a different thread.

in anycase, can anyone say the Spirit told them they wouldn't see the tribulation?

Ophel · Jun 9, 2013

Everyone who is a believer, whether alive or dead in Jesus Christ qualifies for the Rapture! There is so much still to transpire before that time comes that we need to not dwell on it, because we most likely will die and so will the next generation---all without the calling forth of the Bride. The Tribulation is still a long ways off.

Holy Spirit is the restrainer. When He steps aside, the Antichrist will emerge.

When Jesus comes---not at the Rapture---He will be bringing the saints with Him to rule and reign with Him. We will have already been with Him for that short time of the Tribulation on earth, and gone through the Bema Seat Judgment of Christ and will have already received our rewards, and will be then ready to embark on our new roles as the governing authorities of His earthly Millennial Kingdom. The ONLY mortals who will be here will be those who missed the Rapture because of unbelief, and survived the Tribulation era and the battle of Armageddon to be called friends of the Lord---sheep and not goats.

spirit1st · Jun 9, 2013

He does tell us to pray we are worthy to escape ! So we need to keep that in mind ! Also we do not know for sure vwhen it will take place! but we do know we are much closer than ever before !

Also if we feel it close ? Then we will be trying to plant the seeds of truth , that might bring many in now or even after we are gone in the Catching away!
If we feel it far far off ? Maybe we will not be in such a rush to give the gospel ?

I really do think it close !

Still I thank God for you and others that post about these things so we can disgust them and bring them to mind !

Eric E Stahl · Jun 9, 2013

Ophel said:
Everyone who is a believer, whether alive or dead in Jesus Christ qualifies for the Rapture! There is so much still to transpire before that time comes that we need to not dwell on it, because we most likely will die and so will the next generation---all without the calling forth of the Bride. The Tribulation is still a long ways off.

Holy Spirit is the restrainer. When He steps aside, the Antichrist will emerge.

When Jesus comes---not at the Rapture---He will be bringing the saints with Him to rule and reign with Him. We will have already been with Him for that short time of the Tribulation on earth, and gone through the Bema Seat Judgment of Christ and will have already received our rewards, and will be then ready to embark on our new roles as the governing authorities of His earthly Millennial Kingdom. The ONLY mortals who will be here will be those who missed the Rapture because of unbelief, and survived the Tribulation era and the battle of Armageddon to be called friends of the Lord---sheep and not goats.

I don't think the day of the Lord is a long way off.

<style>  </style> Zephaniah 1:14-2:3
14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you.
3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.

Since the day of the Lord is very near the rapture must be even nearer!

I liked the rest of your post.

Ophel · Jun 9, 2013

Well, in the scheme of things, we are closer to the end. Of the 6000 years we are given on this earth, according to the Jewish calendar, we are about 200 years out. The Lord's coming is always imminent, as the scriptures lead us to believe. There is no reason to be slack in our walk and our fervency for taking the Gospel to the world because we do not know when the end will come, exactly.

Eric E Stahl · Jun 9, 2013

Ophel said:
Well, in the scheme of things, we are closer to the end. Of the 6000 years we are given on this earth, according to the Jewish calendar, we are about 200 years out. The Lord's coming is always imminent, as the scriptures lead us to believe. There is no reason to be slack in our walk and our fervency for taking the Gospel to the world because we do not know when the end will come, exactly.

Ophel · Jun 9, 2013

HUH?

One thing for sure is that the Lord is not finished with Israel.

Eric E Stahl · Jun 9, 2013

Ophel said:
HUH?

One thing for sure is that the Lord is not finished with Israel.

You seemed to understand the 6 days 6000 years concept so I showed you Hosea prophecy.

Ophel · Jun 9, 2013

Eric E Stahl said:
You seemed to understand the 6 days 6000 years concept so I showed you Hosea prophecy.

That is very nice. Thank you.

eldon · Jun 10, 2013

well the Lord confirmed with me whoever it was that said over 5 million Jews would be saved.

but i could be deceived too.

turns out, spirits are allowed to bring back memories of spirits confessing Christ came in the Flesh. (meaning i could be having conversations with spirits manipulating memories and bringing them back to my mind.
so, i'm back to assuming i don't know a damn thing.

Eric E Stahl · Jun 11, 2013

eldon said:
well the Lord confirmed with me whoever it was that said over 5 million Jews would be saved.

but i could be deceived too.

turns out, spirits are allowed to bring back memories of spirits confessing Christ came in the Flesh. (meaning i could be having conversations with spirits manipulating memories and bringing them back to my mind.
so, i'm back to assuming i don't know a damn thing.

Believe the bible!

Chad · Jun 11, 2013

Ophel said:
The Tribulation is still a long ways off.

How do you know? You do not know this at all.

Matthew 24:36
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of 1 heaven, m but My Father only.

Fenn · Jun 11, 2013

Eric E Stahl said:
No second chance to get saved after the rapture for those who rejected Jesus before the rapture.

Warn your loved ones now!

How does that correlate with these passages?

Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 14:9-11
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Eric E Stahl · Jun 11, 2013

Fenn said:
How does that correlate with these passages?

Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 14:9-11
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

There are billions of people that never heard the gospel and will be able to get saved during the tribulation if they choose too.

Fenn · Jun 11, 2013

Eric E Stahl said:
There are billions of people that never heard the gospel and will be able to get saved during the tribulation if they choose too.

Just to clarify:
Your stance is that if you have heard and not believed by the time of rapture there is no hope. If you have not heard and choose to believe you will be accepted, as long as you have not received the mark?

angel in hope · Jun 11, 2013

eldon said:
well the Lord confirmed with me whoever it was that said over 5 million Jews would be saved.

but i could be deceived too.

turns out, spirits are allowed to bring back memories of spirits confessing Christ came in the Flesh. (meaning i could be having conversations with spirits manipulating memories and bringing them back to my mind.
so, i'm back to assuming i don't know a damn thing.

Eldon..would you please explain what you mean by this.. im a bit confused by this..ok this is so not correct for me..may be im reading this incorrectly..see what spirits would be having any conversation with you ,,,your now talking about evil spirits..see as far as i know the only spirit you are any christian should be talking to is the Holy Spirit...if other spirits are talking to you and manipulating memories back to you ..then eldon that is evil spirits..rebuke them in jesus name...
now if i got this wrong and miss read what you have said ..please forgive me ok...and correct me ..but if i have this correctly then you need to ask God for forgivness and wisdom and knowledge..to help you to rebuke thy enimie..
i just hope i read and didnt understand what i read...hugss and god bless

angel in hope · Jun 11, 2013

eldon said:
i'm not going to argue when i've been given revelation that is not for unbelievers.

there is a rapture.
i could care less when it is.
i'm not getting rapture, as i already stated.

if unbelievers survive the tribulation.. when do they go to judgment?

the answer to your question is at the end...its states in the bible..at the end jesus will judge all execpt the devils..they will be distroyed and Lucifer will be in the pit forever...we who are not in christ will be judged at the end..Jesus will say either i know you ...or i know you not..

Eric E Stahl · Jun 11, 2013

Fenn said:
Just to clarify:
Your stance is that if you have heard and not believed by the time of rapture there is no hope. If you have not heard and choose to believe you will be accepted, as long as you have not received the mark?

Yes that is correct.

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