Pretribulation Rapture?

[Dave M]

This is a direct responce to that video I think, should be interesting

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

But for the subject at hand, pneuma has been used for the 7 Spirits of the Churches as addressed in Revelation and yet in this instant, should not be capitalized when those 7 spirits are 7 angels and scripture even said so.

With it capitalized, in Revelation 1:4 below, one might think there are 7 Holy Spirits BUT when reading in context, is referring to seven angels instead, thus an example of how pneuma can refer to a singular angel.

In Rev. 5:6, it specifically says seven spirits of the Lamb sent out to all over the earth, so seven spirits it is. This is one of the reasons for Jesus to depart and let the Holy Spirit take His place, so that He can be with His church everywhere, all the time, while he's in heaven preparing the mansion and defending our brethrens. It is for our advantage. On top of that, I believe these seven spirits are also seven zeitgeists - spirit of the age, these seven churches also symbolize seven eras in the church age, in each era you have all seven spirits coexist, but only one zeitgeist as the Dominant spirit, which goes from Esphesians, the loveless church to Laodicea, the lukewarm church.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

2 Thessalonians 2:7 is referring to the work of iniquity that was causing the falling away from the faith back in Paul's days that was prophesied to happen in droves in the latter days before He comes as the Bridegroom to judge His House first.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 testifies that the restraining power will be removed when believers believe the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit by a sign at salvation Matthew 12:38-40 or apart from salvation thus preaching another gospel to receive 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

Think of new age methodology or the occult of receiving spirits. God will permit that strong delusion to occur if believers believe that spirit coming over them is of God. That phenomenon will be their gospel rather than preaching the cross.

Paul did bother to expose the lie by reminding believers of the tradition taught of us for when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth which was at the calling of the gospel and no other time. 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15

Do click on the link below to go to Bible Gateway and see the difference between the KJV & the NLT for why I rely on the KJV since they really do not read as the same to me.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 KJV VS NLT

Actually, the background of Paul's letters to the Thessalonians is that there was imposters writing to the Thessalonian church in Paul's name and telling them that Jesus had already returned and "raptured" his church, they'd just missed it, that was the lie that Paul exposed, and that context or backdrop was told in 2 Thess. 2:2. No matter what version you're reading, that context remains the same.

 

[Bill]

Yet God did save them from the destruction on the whole earth.

Just as Jesus warned of the coming destruction on earth for why He referred to Lot's wife not to value anything on earth so as to be ready to leave it behind on earth.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

You cannot have a nice reception on earth when destruction and the great tribulation as a result is coming on the earth.

Because of the changed message in some modern Bibles in Luke 17:37 the Greek word "sunago" has it as a reception with hospitality whereas the English has it as "gathered together" meaning Christ will be with them and "aetos" is wing like flight. I really believe the KJV is closest to the truth in English but it should be translated better. The way modern Bibles changed eagles to vultures & body to corpse is inconsistent with what Jesus is saying in Luke 17:26-37 since there is a leaving required in order to survive what is coming on the earth which is destruction and afterwards the great tribulation.

If we're talking about destruction of the whole Earth then we're not talking about the Great Tribulation. Certainly it will seem like it is destruction of the whole Earth and yet it is not. It will be the punishment for many sins that have never been forgiven.

When you are talking about the new Earth that is when the destruction of the old Earth will take place not before

 

[Twistie]

Words means a lot in biblical truth, but many people and bible teachers do not think so by their actions.

“the little foxes spoils the vines”

“A little leaven leavens the whole lump”

The person in the video, started right off and said many people believe God will put the church through the “Tribulation hour”.

The People of God has always experience “Tribulations” always!

But what he is referring to is what the Bible says is “Great Tribulation” that The World has Never Seen or Will ever see again”

And that is the way it is supposed to be express!

And not express as “Tribulation” for period. Or Hour.

People and a lot instructors do not understand that simple common biblical truth.

I thank GOD in 1977 a Old Pastor Explain That Truth to me upon Conversion. That is one of the 1st. Thing I learn concerning “The Art of Biblical Interpretation”!

Repeat what exactly the bible says, don’t add to it and not take free it as the bible expresses it less you far into error just by the slight of The Pen.

It is called “Great Tribulation”

It is called “aGreat White Shark”

It is called a “Shark”

Believe me The Two are Different!

The Shark and “The Great White Shark” are two entirely different creatures, jump out there in that water and see!

Loved That!

I'd hear many say oh I'm not gonna go through tribulations I'm YHs n I'm like well heck I'm always in it lol

Funny thing tho it's getting easier dancing in it as the years past


The Great Tribulation Love the wording Thanks!

 

[Twistie]

If we're talking about destruction of the whole Earth then we're not talking about the Great Tribulation. Certainly it will seem like it is destruction of the whole Earth and yet it is not. It will be the punishment for many sins that have never been forgiven.

When you are talking about the new Earth that is when the destruction of the old Earth will take place not before

Words means a lot in biblical truth, but many people and bible teachers do not think so by their actions.

“the little foxes spoils the vines”

“A little leaven leavens the whole lump”

The person in the video, started right off and said many people believe God will put the church through the “Tribulation hour”.

The People of God has always experience “Tribulations” always!

But what he is referring to is what the Bible says is “Great Tribulation” that The World has Never Seen or Will ever see again”

And that is the way it is supposed to be express!

And not express as “Tribulation” for period. Or Hour.

People and a lot instructors do not understand that simple common biblical truth.

I thank GOD in 1977 a Old Pastor Explain That Truth to me upon Conversion. That is one of the 1st. Thing I learn concerning “The Art of Biblical Interpretation”!

Repeat what exactly the bible says, don’t add to it and not take free it as the bible expresses it less you far into error just by the slight of The Pen.

It is called “Great Tribulation”

It is called “aGreat White Shark”

It is called a “Shark”

Believe me The Two are Different!

The Shark and “The Great White Shark” are two entirely different creatures, jump out there in that water and see!

N when people ask me about this I just say it is written

in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

I say it time n time again
His Yolk is easy n a child can Understand Him
I Believe as we age we make things more complicated then what they need be I know I can in many areas of my life lol I'm a work in progress I'd guess ya say
N that's why it is written we must become like little children

Meaning we must leave anything man has taught us behind really n allow The Spirit to teach you n to Show you

Welp hope ya have an amazing day

Twistie

 

[GodB4Us]

In Rev. 5:6, it specifically says seven spirits of the Lamb sent out to all over the earth, so seven spirits it is.

Per the NLT of Revelation 5:6 the spirits of God should not be capitalized since there is only One Holy Spirit, therefore those seven spirits in the context of the message given, are angels as mentioned earlier in Revelation 1:20

Revelation 1:20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

This is one of the reasons for Jesus to depart and let the Holy Spirit take His place, so that He can be with His church everywhere, all the time, while he's in heaven preparing the mansion and defending our brethrens. It is for our advantage. On top of that, I believe these seven spirits are also seven zeitgeists - spirit of the age, these seven churches also symbolize seven eras in the church age, in each era you have all seven spirits coexist, but only one zeitgeist as the Dominant spirit, which goes from Esphesians, the loveless church to Laodicea, the lukewarm church.

These seven spirits are angels as every time Jesus addressed each of those seven churches, He is addressing the angel of that church.

And regardless of the age presupposed to each of the 7 churches. His judgement is the same for all the churches for why His judgment applies to every believer today and not just the church, the body of believers in Jesus Christ.

 

[GodB4Us]

Actually, the background of Paul's letters to the Thessalonians is that there was imposters writing to the Thessalonian church in Paul's name and telling them that Jesus had already returned and "raptured" his church, they'd just missed it, that was the lie that Paul exposed, and that context or backdrop was told in 2 Thess. 2:2. No matter what version you're reading, that context remains the same.

One should not used the background of Paul's letters to the Thessalonians to disregard what it is that Paul is writing about which is how that day of the Lord will come when there is a falling away from the faith first and how in his day, that iniquity that will cause that falling away from the faith in the future, was already at work in his day. The tradition taught in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 is the reproof required to expose the lie that is causing this falling away from the faith.

 

[GodB4Us]

If we're talking about destruction of the whole Earth then we're not talking about the Great Tribulation. Certainly it will seem like it is destruction of the whole Earth and yet it is not. It will be the punishment for many sins that have never been forgiven.

When you are talking about the new Earth that is when the destruction of the old Earth will take place not before

I am not talking about the destruction of the old Earth in becoming the new Earth.

Revelation 8:7 speaks of the destruction of a third of the earth which I believe is why USA is not going through the great tribulation because it is no more after the rapture event as Revelation 18:1-24 with Revelation 14:1-8 seems to prophesy.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Per the NLT of Revelation 5:6 the spirits of God should not be capitalized since there is only One Holy Spirit, therefore those seven spirits in the context of the message given, are angels as mentioned earlier in Revelation 1:20

Sorry, I don't read that. The only bible I've ever had and I still read till this day is NKJV, in which it reads seven Spirits of God. In NLT it says "sevenfold Spirit", but it's sent out into the seven churches nonetheless.

These seven spirits are angels as every time Jesus addressed each of those seven churches, He is addressing the angel of that church.

And regardless of the age presupposed to each of the 7 churches. His judgement is the same for all the churches for why His judgment applies to every believer today and not just the church, the body of believers in Jesus Christ.

The church IS the body of Christ. He's the head, we're the body. Remember that metallic statue in King Nebuchadnezzar's dream? From him, the golden head, down to ten toes of iron and clay? While guess what, the Body of Christ goes down simultaneously in the same process, from Christ the head down to the ten toes. When this body is fully formed, aka, the gospel of the kingdom is preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, then the process will be complete.

 

[GodB4Us]

Sorry, I don't read that. The only bible I've ever had and I still read till this day is NKJV, in which it reads seven Spirits of God. In NLT it says "sevenfold Spirit", but it's sent out into the seven churches nonetheless.

Thanks for the correction and clarity between the two but the Greek text "pneumata" is plural of pneuma and so I do not know where the NLT get off putting spirit in the singular as well as capitalized.

Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary

And no. I do not accept everything Strong's Concordance says as we are to prove all things by Him there as well.

The church IS the body of Christ. He's the head, we're the body. Remember that metallic statue in King Nebuchadnezzar's dream? From him, the golden head, down to ten toes of iron and clay? While guess what, the Body of Christ goes down simultaneously in the same process, from Christ the head down to the ten toes. When this body is fully formed, aka, the gospel of the kingdom is preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, then the process will be complete.

It is after the rapture event after the 3 angels sets up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth is when the first of the 3 angels with the everlasting gospel goes out and preach everywhere in the world is when many will come to Him at that time and die as for when the end shall come.

Below is when the prophesied gospel is preached everywhere before the end comes as stated in Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.".... to be found in verse 8 below.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

After the rapture Revelation 4:1-5 and after the angel of the everlasting gospel preach everywhere is when many new believers will come to Jesus because of the impending destruction on a third of the earth. Due note that saints that were not ready for the Bridegroom will be left behind to die as their works shall follow them ( into the dust? ) ( symbolic of wood, stubble, and hay being burned up on that foundation ? )

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

After the rapture Revelation 4:1-5 and after the angel of the everlasting gospel preach everywhere is when many new believers will come to Jesus because of the impending destruction on a third of the earth. Due note that saints that were not ready for the Bridegroom will be left behind to die as their works shall follow them ( into the dust? ) ( symbolic of wood, stubble, and hay being burned up on that foundation ? )

Dude, why are you so obsessed with the damn rapture? Can't you think about something else? I've said it over and over again that rapture is a false hope, even if it's true, it's still a distraction from God's salvation through the blood, and you told me those are separate issues. If so, then focus on God's salvation - the name of Yeshua, and leave the rapture to God, regardless of the timing.

 

[Bill]

N when people ask me about this I just say it is written

in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

I say it time n time again
His Yolk is easy n a child can Understand Him
I Believe as we age we make things more complicated then what they need be I know I can in many areas of my life lol I'm a work in progress I'd guess ya say
N that's why it is written we must become like little children

Meaning we must leave anything man has taught us behind really n allow The Spirit to teach you n to Show you

Welp hope ya have an amazing day

Twistie

I have a question. Can you discern what the Spirit has said through others. As you say "we must leave anything man has taught". You do know "MEN WROTE THE SCRIPTURE". And many men have both interpreted scripture on thier own and others in God's Spirit.

So i hope you have a good gift of discernment. For a person who wants nothing to do with what men write.

How ridiculous your statement is!!!

 

[Bill]

Dude, why are you so obsessed with the damn rapture? Can't you think about something else? I've said it over and over again that rapture is a false hope, even if it's true, it's still a distraction from God's salvation through the blood, and you told me those are separate issues. If so, then focus on God's salvation - the name of Yeshua, and leave the rapture to God, regardless of the timing.

You must forgive him. Preachers have brainwashed people for generations.

It is the same mentality of the KKK and the Muslims and Jehovah Witnesses. Each of these groups have been brainwashed for years in some cases hundreds of years to hate their fellow man or to feel that they are superior to others in every way.

 

[Bill]

I am not talking about the destruction of the old Earth in becoming the new Earth.

Revelation 8:7 speaks of the destruction of a third of the earth which I believe is why USA is not going through the great tribulation because it is no more after the rapture event as Revelation 18:1-24 with Revelation 14:1-8 seems to prophesy.

Foolish child. A third of the earth isnt the end of the earth.

You confuse punishment with world judgement.

Sodom and Gomorrah were punished but not the world. And lot lives through it

The world was judged at Noah's time and he lived through it.

The Egyptian culture was punished or the Pharaoh was punished yet the rest of the Egyptians were spared and the Israelites with Moses lived through it

So first of all there's a big difference between punishment where people are spared some are killed but most are spared. And then judgment guess what we live through it until the time Jesus returns we just go through it we live and it's the best time for the Christians to shine

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You must forgive him. Preachers have brainwashed people for generations.

It is the same mentality of the KKK and the Muslims and Jehovah Witnesses. Each of these groups have been brainwashed for years in some cases hundreds of years to hate their fellow man or to feel that they are superior to others in every way.

Yep, when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. That kind of mentality.

 

[GodB4Us]

Dude, why are you so obsessed with the damn rapture? Can't you think about something else? I've said it over and over again that rapture is a false hope, even if it's true, it's still a distraction from God's salvation through the blood, and you told me those are separate issues. If so, then focus on God's salvation - the name of Yeshua, and leave the rapture to God, regardless of the timing.

The rapture is when God shall judge His House first and those not found abiding in Him nor willing to go when He comes as the Bridegroom, will be left behind. That is why Jesus is warning saved believers to be ready or else.

That means no Christian should be procrastinating about repenting tomorrow because they do not see the great tribulation yet, because He can come at any moment.

That also means potential believers procrastinating about believing in Jesus Christ because they want to "live" first had better believe in Him today rather than tomorrow.

Those left behind saints & new believers in the third of the earth that gets burned up after the rapture will die while the rest of the left behind saints in the 2/3rds parts of the world will be hunted down and starved out as the beast wages war on those left behind saints and new believers as of result of the everlasting gospel preached in the whole earth by that first angel after the rapture.

Jesus is warning saved believers to be ready or else and that or else is missing out on the rapture event. It is not a time when every saved believer will be able to escape when God is coming to judge His House at the rapture event.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Where is the terror of the Lord if every saved believer will be raptured when we are laboring so we may be accepted by Him?

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So those left behind lose a lot more than their crowns. They will get stripes for not being ready and not just by becoming a castaway either.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

It is not a salvation issue when those saints left behind will die but their spirits will be with the Lord to be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not being ready, vessels of wood & earth. and God has to wipe the tears from their eyes to get past that loss of NOT being of the firstfruits, the vessels unto honor, the vessels of gold & silver, but they will find that the prodigal son is still a son, but they will had wished they had gotten ready because there will be weeping ad gnashing of teeth when they get left behind.

 

[Twistie]

I have a question. Can you discern what the Spirit has said through others. As you say "we must leave anything man has taught". You do know "MEN WROTE THE SCRIPTURE". And many men have both interpreted scripture on thier own and others in God's Spirit.

So i hope you have a good gift of discernment. For a person who wants nothing to do with what men write.

How ridiculous your statement is!!!

I Hear the Spirit of the Lord n it is written flesh gives birth to Flesh n spirit gives birth to spirit so to u it may sound ridiculous what is written perhaps because you don't Hear Him idk why you can't discern that's between u n YH

 

[GodB4Us]

Foolish child. A third of the earth isnt the end of the earth.

I'll try not to reply in like manner in judging you back.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus nor His disciples did not meant the end of the world, since the world can not end, but the end of what we know of the world and how it runs, will end; hence that fiery calamity and as a result, the coming great tribulation.

Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

You confuse punishment with world judgement.

Sodom and Gomorrah were punished but not the world. And lot lives through it

And yet you stated the world was judged next.

The world was judged at Noah's time and he lived through it.

The Egyptian culture was punished or the Pharaoh was punished yet the rest of the Egyptians were spared and the Israelites with Moses lived through it

So first of all there's a big difference between punishment where people are spared some are killed but most are spared.

If the saints at Thyatira do not repent, they will be cast into the bed of the great tribulation for when they will be killed with death.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Now consider this; is it fair for those that did repent that they wind up going through the great tribulation anyway? Why warn the church to repent or else if the or else will come even for those that did repent?

And then judgment guess what we live through it until the time Jesus returns we just go through it we live and it's the best time for the Christians to shine

Those saints not ready because they did not repent, will be " cast " into that bed of the coming great tribulation. To be cast is to be left behind as castaways.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Care to explain what castaway meant in regards to failure to obtain the crown in running that race? Surely you can see the connection to that church in Revelation for failing to repent to be cast into the bed of the great tribulation?

 

[Bill]

I'll try not to reply in like manner in judging you back.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus nor His disciples did not meant the end of the world, since the world can not end, but the end of what we know of the world and how it runs, will end; hence that fiery calamity and as a result, the coming great tribulation.

Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

And yet you stated the world was judged next.

If the saints at Thyatira do not repent, they will be cast into the bed of the great tribulation for when they will be killed with death.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Now consider this; is it fair for those that did repent that they wind up going through the great tribulation anyway? Why warn the church to repent or else if the or else will come even for those that did repent?

Those saints not ready because they did not repent, will be " cast " into that bed of the coming great tribulation. To be cast is to be left behind as castaways.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Care to explain what castaway meant in regards to failure to obtain the crown in running that race? Surely you can see the connection to that church in Revelation for failing to repent to be cast into the bed of the great tribulation?

Calling me a child, concerning age . Physically, maybe. Spiritually, i doubt it, mentally im always a child . Lol


So let us get into requirements for heaven. Are you filled with love, humility, compassion. If not, your are going no where.

Oh im sorry, you say Jesus is Lord. Ok Great. And He is. Right. Knowing who Jesus is , will not save you.

Why, because if knowing Jesus was all you needed, then the devil would still be there.


Oh im sorry, you say Jesus is in you. Oh ok, so open your arms for your brothers and sisters. Catholics Hindus Muslims Buddhist. Oh wait a minute aren't they your brothers and sisters and why not? Because they don't think like you do, what's that got to do with anything.

Did not God create all of life all of mankind. If God created all of mankind then all of mankind or your brothers and sisters because he is the Father of all.

Now you have a little bit of a stumbling block. How is it that they are capable of becoming your brothers and sisters. It's all in the scripture right in front of your face have you read it, do you even understand it?

"It is not listening to the law but keeping it that will make people holy in the sight of God"

" for instance pagans who never heard of the law but are led by reason to do what the law commands, may not actually possess the law, but they can be said to be the law. They can point to the substance of the law engraved on their hearts."