Roman Catholics and Protestants

[Snake Bait]

would love to know why you chose snake bait as your user name, thanks

Well that's kind of an easy answer. Not to mention if you look at my selfie. However what happened was when I was little I was playing in the living room when a big rat snake came into the house scared the bejeebies out of me. I ran down the hall and it chased me almost had me too for lunch. But my uncle was able to divert it. And so my uncle called me snake bait and it's stuck ever since

 

[Snake Bait]

This whole practice is unbiblical ,,,,,from calling the preist Father ,,,,to the preist becoming the mediator,,,,, between you and God. Sorry the word is clear on this. this is why GOd has given us his word so we can have direct relationship to him through Jesus his son, not a preist

I hear what you're saying, but I don't think you realize what you're saying.

The Bible is not God. However if you read the Bible and receive the word into your heart then you receive God into your heart.

The Bible itself is only a stepping stone to what true faith is. Jesus refers to himself as a Cornerstone. And the Bible is part of the foundation. But if you really want to put your faith in God it means to go beyond that Foundation in faith.

I read it all the time in everyone's comments how you always say to go back to the Bible to confirm what someone is saying. But what happens when someone is saying something through the Holy Spirit and it is not found in the Bible. What do you do then.

Jesus tells us that he is going to send the Holy Spirit, and he tells us that the holy spirit is going to continue teaching us. He never says there's an end to the teaching, because if there was ever an end to the teaching we would be God.

The impression I have from people that say well it's not in the scripture, gives me the idea that you think that the scripture is the end all. Or in fact it's only the beginning.

If the scripture is all that you base your faith on. And you have to get confirmation from everything that's already written in the Bible then my question to you about faith is what exactly is your faith? I mean what is faith? faith is believing in something that you have nothing else to depend on except for God and that's it you can't even depend on the Bible for that. Because of it's only depending on whatever is written in the scripture then what in the world did Peter use as a reference to know it's okay to go walking on the water. Or where did Moses go in the scripture or the Torah to know it was okay for him to walk on the mountain? Or hold up the staff and watch the water or separate. Because it's not in the scripture he was hearing a voice that was either in his head or audibly telling him to do this. And that's not in the scripture it's not in the scripture where it says hold your staff up and let the water park it's only in there now because of Moses did that. Or what where is the confirmation for Abraham to know it was okay to argue with God about how many people were to die in Sodom. All these people and many many more all walked on faith. With nothing as a reference to what to stand on. No confirmations whatsoever. Are you going to tell me that you have this kind of faith because if you do I'm going to tell you you're a liar. The only Faith you have is the faith of confirmations. Which is no faith at all

 

[Bill]

I was raised in the Catholic church. I do believe it is a devilish religion, no two ways about it. BUT!!! In protesting the Romanist religion, one must always remember that there are a great many people in there that are born again Christians...priests and lay people alike. You cannot condemn any of the Catholic people. Don't ever do it! There are many people in the Catholic religion that are seeking Jesus and many that already know Him. When its time, Jesus WILL call them out and free them. Our job is to accept them and love them....They are no different than we are....

Well that was an interesting read. LOL I have to thank you, kind of a mixed bag in a way but a positive mixed bag overall.

I am a Catholic. Years ago the Lord sent me to learn about my brothers and sisters in the other churches and so I spent three years going to the different churches and just trying to be a part of everything. I don't think I would ever say that I would call any of the churches devilish. LOL although there were a few that really tested my thinking. Like the snake handlers in Appalachia.

I will say this of all the churches that I found the most acceptance from. It was the black Baptist Churches. I found them to be really warm hearted and filled with the Holy Spirit. Even to this day, if I'm out and about driving my truck. I will still look for a black Baptist Church to go to on a Sunday

 

[Bill]

Well that's kind of an easy answer. Not to mention if you look at my selfie. However what happened was when I was little I was playing in the living room when a big rat snake came into the house scared the bejeebies out of me. I ran down the hall and it chased me almost had me too for lunch. But my uncle was able to divert it. And so my uncle called me snake bait and it's stuck ever since

That's quite a "tail" Mr Rat! It's nice someone has a good sense of humor.

 

[Snake Bait]

This whole practice is unbiblical ,,,,,from calling the preist Father ,,,,to the preist becoming the mediator,,,,, between you and God. Sorry the word is clear on this. this is why GOd has given us his word so we can have direct relationship to him through Jesus his son, not a preist

I read what Bill had to say and I just would like to a publicly apologize about my reference of you being a liar.

But I do want to say that if you only live your life with confirmations, that it becomes a lie within itself. Because you do not allow God to Blossom or grow within you in areas that are not mentioned in the scripture. Even the apostles state that not everything was written down. And how could there be enough books in the world or even enough paper in the universe to supply all the knowledge that God would give you if he did

 

[Dave M]

The Bible is not God.

John 1:1​

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

sorry I will take the word of God over man every time the word of God is the final authority on all spiritual things, it will give you true discernment to know the real truth. I Grew up catholic their practice of confessing sin to a preist is from the devil himself and is sending a lot of people to hell, so I must speak against it. People think they don't have to change that they just have to confess there sin, that is not repentance. The word of God saved my soul from that vile practice, if not for the word of God I would of been going on thinking my sins were forgiven even though I never repented and I would of went to hell. So you see I speak from first-hand experience.

Growing up catholic I never knew you had to be born again, the priest never ever said that, yet it one of the most important things if not the most important thing to know.

1 Timothy 4:1-3​

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

 

[Dave M]

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

The Apostle Paul wrote of
being persuaded. Even fully persuaded.

What saith thee ?


Bless you all ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings again all,

Should things match up perfectly with Scripture?

Or can we chuck the scrolls away now?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings again @Bill


TalkJesus has never supported Roman Catholicism and has never tolerated the promotion of it.

You have been given a big chunk of liberty here, Bill. May I suggest you consider your membership here and post accordingly?

Nice people is not the way nor the truth nor the life.

Is the 'Protestant' way perfect? No. It is a kin to/of it's older sister or mother.

There is only one Church.


Please take seriously my words to you Bill.
Roman Catholic promotion is not tolerated here.

Jesus is the Lord


Bless you ....><>

 

[Bill]

Greetings again @Bill

TalkJesus has never supported Roman Catholicism and has never tolerated the promotion of it.

You have been given a big chunk of liberty here, Bill. May I suggest you consider your membership here and post accordingly?

Nice people is not the way nor the truth nor the life.

Is the 'Protestant' way perfect? No. It is a kin to/of it's older sister or mother.

There is only one Church.


Please take seriously my words to you Bill.
Roman Catholic promotion is not tolerated here.

Jesus is the Lord


Bless you ....><>

I don't think that I have ever "promoted" the Roman Catholic ideology here. But I have tried to explain why we think the way we do to give the members here a better understanding of what we think.

As an example, Christians teach that if you die in Lord you're not dead but alive in Christ. I agree with this completely. So I do not understand why it is wrong to talk to people who have passed on because they're alive in the Lord. You see I'm not talking to people that are "dead" I'm talking to people that are alive in Jesus. The other thing that comes to my mind, is that if we call the body our own, then what is the Temple of the Holy Spirit?
Now if I told you I talk to the Dead, like those that have gone to hell, then I would be sinning and not of the Lord.

Also what doesn't make any sense is the fact that if we cannot talk to those that have passed on in the Lord, then why would we accept Jesus talking to Moses?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings @Bill,

Could you please now explain what you mean by talking to those who are with Jesus but no longer with us in the flesh?

And why one would talk to a person who has finished the race, awaiting the resurrection?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Bill]

I have stressed the fundimental teachings here, that we all follow and believe.

But judgement flows rampedly, and whether you wish to believe me or not, we are all in the same boat.

Loving Jesus from your heart, is the ONLY way to the Father in Heaven.

Everyone can preach, and talk about whatever. But in the end, if there is NO LOVE, YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT HEAVEN.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I don't think that I have ever "promoted" the Roman Catholic ideology here. But I have tried to explain why we think the way we do to give the members here a better understanding of what we think.

As an example, Christians teach that if you die in Lord you're not dead but alive in Christ. I agree with this completely. So I do not understand why it is wrong to talk to people who have passed on because they're alive in the Lord. You see I'm not talking to people that are "dead" I'm talking to people that are alive in Jesus. The other thing that comes to my mind, is that if we call the body our own, then what is the Temple of the Holy Spirit?
Now if I told you I talk to the Dead, like those that have gone to hell, then I would be sinning and not of the Lord.

Also what doesn't make any sense is the fact that if we cannot talk to those that have passed on in the Lord, then why would we accept Jesus talking to Moses?

I agree with Bill...I have never seen Bill promoting Romanism but only defending his beliefs, which he has a constitutional right to do. Bill is always polite and honest in his views and I enjoy sharing thoughts with him always. He is a man of strong beliefs but never pushes his beliefs on others Thanks Bill

 

[B-A-C]

I agree with Bill...I have never seen Bill promoting Romanism but only defending his beliefs

Well, there is a fine line here....

I talk with my parents and others i have known, mostly asking them to pray for people.

Do you think when you go to heaven you will forget everyone you have known still on the planet?

I also talk a lot to Elijah and others.

That would specifically be a Roman Catholic belief incompatible with Protestantism.
In fact the whole concept of "going to heaven" is debatable.

So what is promoting.. and what isn't?

 

[Dave M]

If you love Jesus you will keep his word
John 14-21
The one who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and the one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will reveal Myself to him.”

I see a lot of talk about love here, just what is love. it is keeping Jesus' commandments. there are other things tied to love that are stated in the bible. Jesus' word tells us to call no man father, in the context of religious leaders trying to promote or exalt themselves above a regular man. So if I was to stay a catholic I would NOT have been keeping Jesus commandment. IS love letting everything slide and not standing up to for the truth?? or is true love actually standing up for the truth and not letting things slide? Jesus' word tells us there is ONE mediator between us and God and that is Jesus who died for us so we would have a TRUE mediator between us and GOd and not one that we think we should have, you either listen and obey the word or you don't. Mary is not a mediator to God and only Jesus deserves to be exalted in that position, no dead catholic saint is a mediator with God. The catholic church continues to Rob my lord and Savior of the glory he deserves.

Why does the catholic church have my King the author of life hanging on a cross, that is morbid and bothered me since I was a child, my savior has risen and the grave is empty !!

How can anyone stay a catholic who wants to please God and obey his word is what I would like to know, I know for me it was family that kept me a catholic even when I was born again I could not pull out, not until my mom died did I leave the catholic church. My conversion came at a very close time to Mom's death, it is amazing to look back at how strong of a hold that was over me. Leaving was like a huge burden that had been lifted off my shoulders.

couple verses about speaking to the dead

Isaiah 8:19​

And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?

Psalm 115:17 ​

The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into silence.

 

[rstrats]

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

The trick of course is figuring out what is actually scripture and what isn't.

 

[B-A-C]

The trick of course is figuring out what is actually scripture and what isn't.

I'm a fundamentalist, so it's very easy. If the Bible says it. It's actually scripture. if the Bible doesn't say it, it's actually not. I take the Bible at face value, and go with a majority scripture rule.
If someone has to type 3 pages of explanation to "explain" a verse, it's usually interpreted wrong. Also if there are nine verses that say one thing, and one verse that seems to say something else, I'll always go with the majority of scripture.
The Bible tells you if a story is a parable. if it's not identified as a parable, it isn't. It's actually very easy if you a pick a standard, and stick to it. Some people have 4 or 5 different standards depending on if they like a particular verse of not.
Some people believe this part of the Bible applies, and that part doesn't. I believe it ALL applies, unless it specifically says it doesn't.

 

[Dave M]

The trick of course is figuring out what is actually scripture and what isn't.

wow I have no idea what you mean by this, let me ask you do you consider the bible God's word the final authority on all spiritual things? If I recall correctly catholic doctrine dictates that the catholic church is the final authority

 

[Snake Bait]

The trick of course is figuring out what is actually scripture and what isn't.

Isn't this why we have the Gifts of the Holy Spirit?