Salvation

[Kinjaffa]

The most important question anyone may ever ask you, "What must I do to be saved?"

So here is the million dollar question, how does one receive eternal life? I believe the answer comes straight from the mouth of the Son of God.

(Matthew 19:16-17) A rich man once asked Yeshua, "Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” Yeshua then replied, "-if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments.”

It is interesting to note that Yeshua did not say anything about faith. He simply told the rich man to follow the laws of YHVH. This stands out to me because I grew up in the "Pauline Church" style, wherein you simply say a 10 second prayer of faith and your salvation is guaranteed for ever and ever amen. However that concept of salvation differs from the words of the Messiah.

(Matthew 7:21-23) Yeshua tells us that there will be many people who have faith, but that do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. These people call Him "Lord, Lord" and they are even capable of performing miracles and casting demons out of people. Surely one cannot do these things genuinely without having faith. What is interesting is that in verse 23 we learn that even these faith-filled miracle workers do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Read Matthew 25 for a further study.

(Matthew 25:31-46) Here we see the "final judgement", the scene we have all been waiting for. This is when Yeshua will sit on His throne, and divide everyone who has ever lived and died into two groups. The group of sheep go to Heaven, and the group of goats go to Hell. Please note that there are two groups of people, two destinations, yet only one thing that distinguishes these two groups of people, works. In verses 35 and 36 we see the reason that the sheep go to Heaven. It is because the sheep did good works. They followed the commandments, love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). When Yeshua gave us this prophesy, not once did He mention anything about faith. Now we take a look at the other group, the goats. In verses 42 and 43 we learn that the goats go to Hell because they did NOT follow the commandments. They did NOT do good works towards one another. We already learned in Matthew 7:21-23 that there will be faith-filled people who go to Hell. And in Matthew 25:31-46 we learn that those who go to Hell do so because they did NOT do good works.

Now before you get upset, just realize that these words are not my own. They are the words of Yeshua the Lord.

(James 2:24) Here James tells us , "So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone." James was the half brother of Yeshua, and probably knew Him better than anyone. That being said, the book of James follows Yeshua's message. Throughout Yeshua's ministry He was constantly healing and helping people as well as reminding his flock to DO GOOD WORKS. Why? because it is paramount for salvation.

 

[David777]

Dear yeshua.

"It is interesting to note that Yeshua did not say anything about faith. He simply told the rich man to follow the laws of YHVH. This stands out to me because I grew up in the "Pauline Church" style, wherein you simply say a 10 second prayer of faith and your salvation is guaranteed for ever and ever amen. However that concept of salvation differs from the words of the Messiah."

What a curious post kinjaffa, you must understand that this is erroneous.

You can only understand Jesus Christ from the Gospels. The Gospels were written by followers of Jesus Christ. Luke wrote one of these Gospels kinjaffa. Luke was with Paul as recorded in the book of Acts.

If Paul was on the wrong track, then so was Luke. There is a paradox in your argument.

Also apostle Peter refers to Paul in his letter. So therefore Peter is also rejected.

In fact, apostle John with Peter were two of the original disciples. Hence John would then be excluded. If we keep going kinjaffa the New Testament is rejected. Hence the covenant that Jesus introduced is redundant. On we go to the Old Testament, prophecies of the messiah must apply to someone else.

To believe and have faith are the same. The Bible is the history of God's redemptive plan for mankind (who did not believe). Law was given to the Jews kinjaffa. We Gentiles were never given the Law of Moses, kinjaffa.

I am not aware of any church that would dispense a ten second prayer for salvation. Salvation is a gift from God, our faith is a gift. This is a life long commitment by any measure. If you could name the church that would be helpful, evidence kinjaffa, I need evidence.

Your opinion of Paul is only an opinion, you need to supply the arguments to justify your reasoning.

 

[Coconut]

I grew up in the "Pauline Church" style, wherein you simply say a 10 second prayer of faith and your salvation is guaranteed for ever and ever amen. However that concept of salvation differs from the words of the Messiah.

That concept sure does differ from the words of the Messiah. But then so does your concept.

If you pick a verse, or one line of a conversation out of the Bible and run with it like you are doing, you`ll end up in no mans land, and not in the Kingdom.

Tell me, aught we to use the verse you chose to run with...

or this one?

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of the Spirit, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

or maybe this one?

John 3:15 That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Or how about instead of attempting to pick and choose, we determine instead to run with the whole counsel of God, which includes faith, but also includes repentance, and a new birth by water and Spirit.

* 'Believe' is translated from the Greek word pisteuo, and means to have faith (by implication to trust ones spiritual well being to Christ)

Mar 1: 14-15 Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 

[Kinjaffa]

"It is interesting to note that Yeshua did not say anything about faith. He simply told the rich man to follow the laws of YHVH. This stands out to me because I grew up in the "Pauline Church" style, wherein you simply say a 10 second prayer of faith and your salvation is guaranteed for ever and ever amen. However that concept of salvation differs from the words of the Messiah."

What a curious post kinjaffa, you must understand that this is erroneous.

You can only understand Jesus Christ from the Gospels. The Gospels were written by followers of Jesus Christ. Luke wrote one of these Gospels kinjaffa. Luke was with Paul as recorded in the book of Acts.

If Paul was on the wrong track, then so was Luke. There is a paradox in your argument.

Also apostle Peter refers to Paul in his letter. So therefore Peter is also rejected.

In fact, apostle John with Peter were two of the original disciples. Hence John would then be excluded. If we keep going kinjaffa the New Testament is rejected. Hence the covenant that Jesus introduced is redundant. On we go to the Old Testament, prophecies of the messiah must apply to someone else.

To believe and have faith are the same. The Bible is the history of God's redemptive plan for mankind (who did not believe). Law was given to the Jews kinjaffa. We Gentiles were never given the Law of Moses, kinjaffa.

I am not aware of any church that would dispense a ten second prayer for salvation. Salvation is a gift from God, our faith is a gift. This is a life long commitment by any measure. If you could name the church that would be helpful, evidence kinjaffa, I need evidence.

Your opinion of Paul is only an opinion, you need to supply the arguments to justify your reasoning.

Interesting, I never mentioned Paul in my post. I mentioned a Pauline Church system that I grew up in, but I never mentioned Paul or his doctrines. That is something YOU introduced. However now that you have brought up this matter, I must ask you something. Would you believe the words of Yeshua the Messiah in Matthew 7 and 25 regarding salvation? Or some other dude?

Please understand that you can not refute Yeshua's message from Matthew 7, 19 and 25 (and many other sources straight from the mouth of Yeshua). Why? Because His words are 100% concrete. Yeshua the King said it VERY clearly. Man's testimony will differ, but the words that the Messiah spoke are permanent!

If you truly think that belief and faith are the same, might I suggest you pick up a dictionary and a bible? James 2:19 states that even demons believe in God. If belief and faith are the same, then your argument would indicate that demons are saved (by faith). Which of course is nonsense, they are condemned to eternal punishment (Matthew 25:41)

If you think that the commandments of Moses are only to the Jews, then why did Yeshua say, "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath." Are you SERIOUSLY going to argue with my Messiah? He did not say that it was for the Jews only, he said it was for mankind. Do you honestly think that the God of the universe will hold different races of people accountable to different rules? Thats borderline racism, and not the way of YHVH.

The evidence for the Pauline Church system that I have been subjected to in my youth was specifically the Calvary Chapel church system. Wherein we were taught to say a quick prayer, accept Jesus into our hears as Lord and Savior, and every thing will be A-OK.

If anyone is caught in a paradox, it is you. Yeshua says one thing, Paul says another. Yeshua says that we should follow the commandments and do good works, Paul says they are pointless and that all we need is faith. I will stand with Yeshua and his words which last for ever and ever. I hope you join me. I hope all will join me. There is one truth in this wretched world, and that is Yeshua the Son of God.

 

[Kinjaffa]

That concept sure does differ from the words of the Messiah. But then so does your concept.

If you pick a verse, or one line of a conversation out of the Bible and run with it like you are doing, you`ll end up in no mans land, and not in the Kingdom.

Tell me, aught we to use the verse you chose to run with...

or this one?

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of the Spirit, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

or maybe this one?

John 3:15 That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Or how about instead of attempting to pick and choose, we determine instead to run with the whole counsel of God, which includes faith, but also includes repentance, and a new birth by water and Spirit.

* 'Believe' is translated from the Greek word pisteuo, and means to have faith (by implication to trust ones spiritual well being to Christ)

Mar 1: 14-15 Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of the Spirit, he cannot see the kingdom of God." ---- What do you suppose it means to be born of the Spirit? Keep in mind that the Holy Spirit was around LONG before Yeshua the Son was born. There is a huge misunderstanding that the Holy Spirit did not come to the scene until after his sacrifice and resurrection. Here is just a small set of examples that the Holy Spirit had been inside people for a long time, even in the days of Joshua!

Numbers 27:18 Joshua had the Holy Spirit.
1 Samuel 16:13 So did David.
Luke 1:15 So did John the Baptist.
Luke 1:41 So did Elizabeth.
Luke 1:67 So did Zechariah.
Luke 2:25 So did Simeon.

A lot of people had been born again and received the Spirit long before Yeshua's sacrifice and resurrection.

John 3:15 "That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. " ------ To believe in Him is to believe his everlasting words. The word of God is God, and the words Yeshua (God) speaks are everlasting. If you don't agree, read John 1:1-4. That being said, I choose to believe the words that come out of Yeshua's mouth. Especially when the King tells us in Matthew 7, 19 and 25 that eternal life is given to those who follow the commandments of YHVH and do good works. Again if you do not agree, READ THOSE SCRIPTURES and take it up with Him.

Mar 1: 14-15 "Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." ------ Again, the gospel is Christ. By definition "gospel" is something that is absolutely true. There is only one truth in this wretched world, Yeshua the King. So when He says "believe the gospel", we are supposed to believe his every word.

 

[strawberry]

Who is "Yeshua"?

 

[Kinjaffa]

Yeshua is the Messiah. If you had lived during biblical days you would have called Him Yeshua, not Jesus. I feel more comfortable calling Him by his real name. Just as I would feel weird if someone called me "Bob" because that is not my name. I don't know why English bibles use the title "God" to replace YHVH (the name of the creator of the universe) and "Jesus" to replace Yeshua. We know their real names through the Hebrew texts, so why change them?

 

[happyharold4]

Perhaps in Matt 19 Jesus was telling him to go and keep all the law and he would have eternal life, knowing full well that it is impossible for any man within himself to do so---Also Jesus laid one more little burden on him as a prerequisite to his eternal life---
as the disciples mulled that over they asked, Verse 25, "....who then can be saved ",----Jesus responded in verse 26, " But Jesus beheld them and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible "

Happy

 

[strawberry]

Yeshua is the Messiah. If you had lived during biblical days you would have called Him Yeshua, not Jesus.

Okay, thanks! I've heard it before and assumed Jesus from the context. Now I know.

I feel more comfortable calling Him by his real name. Just as I would feel weird if someone called me "Bob" because that is not my name. I don't know why English bibles use the title "God" to replace YHVH (the name of the creator of the universe) and "Jesus" to replace Yeshua. We know their real names through the Hebrew texts, so why change them?

I understand. :heart7:

 

[David777]

Hello Kinjaffa.

Kinjaffa, this is what you said,

"Interesting, I never mentioned Paul in my post. I mentioned a Pauline Church system that I grew up in, but I never mentioned Paul or his doctrines. That is something YOU introduced. However now that you have brought up this matter, I must ask you something. Would you believe the words of Yeshua the Messiah in Matthew 7 and 25 regarding salvation? Or some other dude?

Please understand that you can not refute Yeshua's message from Matthew 7, 19 and 25 (and many other sources straight from the mouth of Yeshua). Why? Because His words are 100% concrete. Yeshua the King said it VERY clearly. Man's testimony will differ, but the words that the Messiah spoke are permanent!

If you truly think that belief and faith are the same, might I suggest you pick up a dictionary and a bible? James 2:19 states that even demons believe in God. If belief and faith are the same, then your argument would indicate that demons are saved (by faith). Which of course is nonsense, they are condemned to eternal punishment (Matthew 25:41)

If you think that the commandments of Moses are only to the Jews, then why did Yeshua say, "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath." Are you SERIOUSLY going to argue with my Messiah? He did not say that it was for the Jews only, he said it was for mankind. Do you honestly think that the God of the universe will hold different races of people accountable to different rules? Thats borderline racism, and not the way of YHVH.

The evidence for the Pauline Church system that I have been subjected to in my youth was specifically the Calvary Chapel church system. Wherein we were taught to say a quick prayer, accept Jesus into our hears as Lord and Savior, and every thing will be A-OK.

If anyone is caught in a paradox, it is you. Yeshua says one thing, Paul says another. Yeshua says that we should follow the commandments and do good works, Paul says they are pointless and that all we need is faith. I will stand with Yeshua and his words which last for ever and ever. I hope you join me. I hope all will join me. There is one truth in this wretched world, and that is Yeshua the Son of God. "

I will examine each of your statements if that seems reasonable to you?

I knew that you had rejected the Pauline letters by your statement in your opening post. You did not have to mention Paul.

Next, you have challenged me by stating that Jesus the messiah spoke as recorded in Matthew, is not what Paul states in his letters.
If you reject Paul you are obviously using some sort of catechism instead? Some extra Biblical text?

I need first of all to know which letters of the New Testament you accept and which you reject Kinjaffa. Do you accept the Old Testament.

In addition your use of the name Yeshua is curious. I am aware of the original Hebrew personal name for God was "YWYH" not YWVH. These two are not equivalent at all. Where did you derive Yeshua from?

Using the Gospel of Matthew, there is a quote from Isaiah, the last line says:

"AND IN HIS NAME THE GENTILES WILL HOPE."

Who's name kinjaffa will the Gentiles put their hope? The messiah's name of course. What is the messiah's name kinjaffa?

I suspect you may be a Jehovah's witness. I am aware that there was a church split and there are in fact two groups. I cannot remember which is which. Anyway how did you get Jehovah from "YWYH".

If you can answer my questions then we can proceed.

 

[strawberry]

^ Good questions. What is Jehovah's witness? After googling, I'm a little concerned. I think I just had an epiphany.

 

[Kinjaffa]

Kinjaffa, this is what you said,

"Interesting, I never mentioned Paul in my post. I mentioned a Pauline Church system that I grew up in, but I never mentioned Paul or his doctrines. That is something YOU introduced. However now that you have brought up this matter, I must ask you something. Would you believe the words of Yeshua the Messiah in Matthew 7 and 25 regarding salvation? Or some other dude?

Please understand that you can not refute Yeshua's message from Matthew 7, 19 and 25 (and many other sources straight from the mouth of Yeshua). Why? Because His words are 100% concrete. Yeshua the King said it VERY clearly. Man's testimony will differ, but the words that the Messiah spoke are permanent!

If you truly think that belief and faith are the same, might I suggest you pick up a dictionary and a bible? James 2:19 states that even demons believe in God. If belief and faith are the same, then your argument would indicate that demons are saved (by faith). Which of course is nonsense, they are condemned to eternal punishment (Matthew 25:41)

If you think that the commandments of Moses are only to the Jews, then why did Yeshua say, "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath." Are you SERIOUSLY going to argue with my Messiah? He did not say that it was for the Jews only, he said it was for mankind. Do you honestly think that the God of the universe will hold different races of people accountable to different rules? Thats borderline racism, and not the way of YHVH.

The evidence for the Pauline Church system that I have been subjected to in my youth was specifically the Calvary Chapel church system. Wherein we were taught to say a quick prayer, accept Jesus into our hears as Lord and Savior, and every thing will be A-OK.

If anyone is caught in a paradox, it is you. Yeshua says one thing, Paul says another. Yeshua says that we should follow the commandments and do good works, Paul says they are pointless and that all we need is faith. I will stand with Yeshua and his words which last for ever and ever. I hope you join me. I hope all will join me. There is one truth in this wretched world, and that is Yeshua the Son of God. "

I will examine each of your statements if that seems reasonable to you?

I knew that you had rejected the Pauline letters by your statement in your opening post. You did not have to mention Paul.

Next, you have challenged me by stating that Jesus the messiah spoke as recorded in Matthew, is not what Paul states in his letters.
If you reject Paul you are obviously using some sort of catechism instead? Some extra Biblical text?

I need first of all to know which letters of the New Testament you accept and which you reject Kinjaffa. Do you accept the Old Testament.

In addition your use of the name Yeshua is curious. I am aware of the original Hebrew personal name for God was "YWYH" not YWVH. These two are not equivalent at all. Where did you derive Yeshua from?

Using the Gospel of Matthew, there is a quote from Isaiah, the last line says:

"AND IN HIS NAME THE GENTILES WILL HOPE."

Who's name kinjaffa will the Gentiles put their hope? The messiah's name of course. What is the messiah's name kinjaffa?

I suspect you may be a Jehovah's witness. I am aware that there was a church split and there are in fact two groups. I cannot remember which is which. Anyway how did you get Jehovah from "YWYH".

If you can answer my questions then we can proceed.

I can assure you that I am not a jehovas witness. I follow Yeshua's life style. I recognize that for some odd reason, the creator of the universe loves us enough to come, die and be resurrected to bridge the gap between us and death.

I have no clue who YWYH is. However YHVH is the English translated Hebrew name of the God of the universe. Keep in mind that in Hebrew we do not use vowel letters, and although we use vowel "punctuation" in modern text, it was not used when the old testament was written. For example read this sentence in English, you should have no problem. "Lv th Lrd yr Gd." If you were to read the old testament scriptures in their original format, you would see 4 Hebrew letters depict the actual name of God throughout the texts. That Hebrew name is "Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey", which scholars agree would be pronounced "Yahweh". Since we know the literal name of the God of the universe, why do our English bibles censor his name and put the title "God" in there instead? I am pretty sure He told us his literal name for a reason, NOT to censor it. Thats a lot like going on a date with a boy/girl and instead of using their name you just call them by the title "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". We should all rejoice that we have the written name of the God of the universe, not censor it.

Throughout the book of Isaiah we see prophecies regarding the coming of the Messiah. Isaiah 9:6-7 is one of them.

"For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

This scripture of course points to the one you call Jesus. However two thousand + years ago nobody called him "Jesus", because his name was, is and always will be Yeshua. The name Jesus came around over a thousand years after His resurrection. "Jesus" is derived form the Latin name "Iesus", which by the way is found no where in the original Hebrew/Greek texts.

Judging by your member-name-tag I can only assume that your name is David. How would you like it if I made up a fictitious name for you? Would it be respectful if I called you "Bartleby"? (Bartleby is a character in an old classic short story). I choose to call Him by His real name out of respect, Yeshua.

 

[Kinjaffa]

^ Good questions. What is Jehovah's witness? After googling, I'm a little concerned. I think I just had an epiphany.

A jehovas witness is a member of a cult religion. They need some serious help, so if you ever hear them knock at your door, answer it with a bible in hand.

 

[David777]

Hello Kinjaffa.

So, "Yehosuah," "Iesous," "Yeshua," "Joshua" and "Jesus" are all essentially the same name. "Jesus" is usually preferred in the New Testament because it is a transliteration of the Greek "Iesous."

The messiah's name in Isaiah 7:14 is Immanuel (God with us). I am surprised Kinjaffa that you do not prefer Immanuel. If you want to be so strict and use the aramic name Yeshua.

Regardless, Jesus and Yeshua still refer to the prophetic messiah.

Remember that when you translate from Hebrew to English. English words have to be found to match the Hebrew. Of course there will be continual arguments.

It makes no difference to me, use Yeshua if you wish. Jesus is the name most Bible translators use, Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ.

I still would like to know on what grounds you reject the letters Paul wrote.

 

[David777]

Also Kinjaffa.

Once again, you are aware that Peter deferred to Paul's letters. How can you reject both? Talk about being out on a theological limb.

Kinjaffa, you are missing out on the complete revelation. Surely Peter and Paul were in the Spirit. Peter spent three years with Jesus (Yeshua). I would assume Peter knew more than I could about Jesus.

 

[David777]

Sorry Kinjaffa.

My spelling is atrocious. YHWH is the personal Hebrew name for Yeshua.

You said it was YHVH, we have a problem with your English translation Kinjaffa. How you would pronounce the name escapes me. I do not think anyone knows how to pronounce it. Exactly which scholars would you rely on for the transliteration?

I concentrated on Mathematics for years, hence my spelling is woeful. Must download a spelling checker.

 

[strawberry]

A jehovas witness is a member of a cult religion. They need some serious help, so if you ever hear them knock at your door, answer it with a bible in hand.

Agreed. Last night, I searched the web about JW's, so I could understand what was going on. Then, I read a few of your posts. I wasn't convinced you were JW because your posts weren't supporting their most basic principles; such as, Jesus is not God, but an angel. You actually said a few things to the contrary.

 

[Kinjaffa]

My spelling is atrocious. YHWH is the personal Hebrew name for Yeshua.

You said it was YHVH, we have a problem with your English translation Kinjaffa. How you would pronounce the name escapes me. I do not think anyone knows how to pronounce it. Exactly which scholars would you rely on for the transliteration?

I concentrated on Mathematics for years, hence my spelling is woeful. Must download a spelling checker.

Incorrect sir, YHVH is not the Hebrew name for Yeshua. YHVH is the name of the God of the universe. Yeshua is His son. Again I must use an analogy. If you were in love with another person, and that person told you their REAL name, yet you refused to use their REAL name, and instead you called them by the title "boyfriend" or "girlfriend", would't that be disrespectful?

 

[Kinjaffa]

So, "Yehosuah," "Iesous," "Yeshua," "Joshua" and "Jesus" are all essentially the same name. "Jesus" is usually preferred in the New Testament because it is a transliteration of the Greek "Iesous."

The messiah's name in Isaiah 7:14 is Immanuel (God with us). I am surprised Kinjaffa that you do not prefer Immanuel. If you want to be so strict and use the aramic name Yeshua.

Regardless, Jesus and Yeshua still refer to the prophetic messiah.

Remember that when you translate from Hebrew to English. English words have to be found to match the Hebrew. Of course there will be continual arguments.

It makes no difference to me, use Yeshua if you wish. Jesus is the name most Bible translators use, Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ.

I still would like to know on what grounds you reject the letters Paul wrote.

Isaiah 7:14 "...She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’)."

As you can CLEARLY see, Immanuel is a descriptive title that means 'God with us'. If you think that His literal name was going to Immanuel, then you are implying that Isaiah's prophecy was flawed. Yet I can assure you that Isaiah was accurate. When Yeshua was born, God truly was with us....literally.

We must be careful not to be confused by the lingo. Names and titles are used through out the scriptures, do not confuse the two.

Here is a good example of name vs title. Isaiah 14:12, "How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning!"

For anyone who is not familiar with this passage, it pertains to the angel Lucifer and his fall. In the Hebrew texts you will see the words "Hilal ben Sahar" where we see in the English "O shining star". "Hilal ben Sahar" can be interpreted as "the shining one/the morning star/the crescent moon". As we can clearly see, the name of this angel is NOT "O shining star/Hilal ben Sahar", this is simply a descriptive title for the angel Lucifer. Just as "Immanuel" is a descriptive title for Yeshua, again the title Immanuel means "God with us".

You are welcome to call the Messiah "Jesus". But stop trying to pick a fight with me because I choose to call Him by His real name, Yeshua. And please stop distracting me from the purpose of my original post regarding salvation. Please try to stay on the topic of salvation.

 

[Kinjaffa]

Heres some refreshment to get back on topic.

Yeshua the Messiah was very clear about who receives salvation and eternal life.

In Matthew 7, and 25 the King states that those who do good works will enter eternal life (Matthew 25:34-36). And that those who do not do good works will go to hell (Matthew 25:41-43). He does not mention faith.

In (Matthew 19:16-17), Yeshua tells a rich man that in order to receive eternal life, he must "follow the commandments". Again, no mention of faith.

In (John 5:29) we see that "Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment." Again, faith is not mentioned as a criteria for salvation.

In (Revelation 20:11-13) we see that the dead are judged by their works. Once again, no mention of faith.

In (James 2:14) we see "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?" Notice that he asks a rhetorical question, "Can faith save him?".

In (James 2:17) we see "So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless." Well geeee....that sums it up doesn't it?

In (James 2:24) we see "So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone".

Again. The single most important question anyone will ever as you as a believer is, "What must I do to be saved". Shouldn't we reply the same exact way Yeshua did in Matthew 19? Tell them to follow the laws of YHVH? I have seen so many altar calls at churches and events wherein they state that all you need to do is say a quick 10 second prayer, shed a few tears and experience eternal life. Yet, the salvation that Yeshua the King illustrated is clearly different. Does anyone know where that "Just have faith in Jesus and you will go to Heaven" form of salvation came from?