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Shocking Youth Message Stuns Hearers

Awesome, awesome message, Indeed!!!!

Thank you Chad, for sharing this.

It's a strong message & I liked it a lot. He was so awesomely to the point, and though to some he may have sounded a bit scary, it just felt more like a Blessing to me.

A Sister in Christ Jesus,
*genesis
 
Emily, just a note of encouragement!

Hi Emily, just a note of encouragement! :thumbs_up God has apparently given you the gift of discernment*.

It was with great disappointment and sadness that I listened to our brother Paul Washer's passionate exhortation given some years ago.

While he makes a sincere zealous exhortation to discipleship and maturity, he unfortunately confuses his young, somewhat immature, audience by equating that theme with the message of God's free grace for salvation. (Romans 11.6)

The precious message of God's truly amazing grace by faith alone in the Person and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ for the unsaved should never be confused with the costly message of discipleship that is for authentic born again believers only.

If you check brother Washer's ministry website* you will find that the source of his confusing gospel" of "grace with works" (Galatians 1.6-7) is due to his hard calvinistic* bias and mis-understanding of Scripture, confusing costly discipleship truth with redemptive truth that is totally free in God's grace.

This has been an issue since the time of the Apostle Paul (Romans 10.2-3) One wise theologian* once noted that, "...zeal without knowledge is like running in the dark!"

I realize not all our brothers in sisters in Christ agree or even see this as a serious issue*, but nonetheless it is one that must at least be prayerfully considered.

We do not solve the problem of "carnal, immature*" believers by altering and making the Gospel of God's grace "harder" or more difficult; we do better to make the Gospel more clear*, insuring that our "hearers" are truly trusting the finished work & Person of the Lord Jesus Christ alone, and not putting any confidence in their own determination and commitments to serve Him. (Romans 4.5; Ephesians 2.8-9; Philippians 3.9; Titus 3.5-6; etc)

In His grace & grip, pastorbruce

*Links available upon requests :wink:
 
Hi Emily, just a note of encouragement! :thumbs_up God has apparently given you the gift of discernment*.

It was with great disappointment and sadness that I listened to our brother Paul Washer's passionate exhortation given some years ago.

While he makes a sincere zealous exhortation to discipleship and maturity, he unfortunately confuses his young, somewhat immature, audience by equating that theme with the message of God's free grace for salvation. (Romans 11.6)

The precious message of God's truly amazing grace by faith alone in the Person and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ for the unsaved should never be confused with the costly message of discipleship that is for authentic born again believers only.

If you check brother Washer's ministry website* you will find that the source of his confusing gospel" of "grace with works" (Galatians 1.6-7) is due to his hard calvinistic* bias and mis-understanding of Scripture, confusing costly discipleship truth with redemptive truth that is totally free in God's grace.

This has been an issue since the time of the Apostle Paul (Romans 10.2-3) One wise theologian* once noted that, "...zeal without knowledge is like running in the dark!"

I realize not all our brothers in sisters in Christ agree or even see this as a serious issue*, but nonetheless it is one that must at least be prayerfully considered.

We do not solve the problem of "carnal, immature*" believers by altering and making the Gospel of God's grace "harder" or more difficult; we do better to make the Gospel more clear*, insuring that our "hearers" are truly trusting the finished work & Person of the Lord Jesus Christ alone, and not putting any confidence in their own determination and commitments to serve Him. (Romans 4.5; Ephesians 2.8-9; Philippians 3.9; Titus 3.5-6; etc)

In His grace & grip, pastorbruce

*Links available upon requests :wink:

Pastorbruce, I have to admit that I'm a little bit confused. But, I don't quite see how Washer's sermon was talking about works. Maybe you can expand on this a little more if you have the time. But anyhow, doesn't the bible say that faith without works is dead? What does it mean by that?

I figure it means that when you have faith in Jesus Christ you begin to want to do the things of God, the things that the Holy Spirit moves you to do. I look at these things more like fruit, the fruit of the Spirit, rather than works. Jesus rebuked a fig tree that didn't have any fruit on it and caused it to wither and cursed it. What does this mean?

I think it means that if we profess to be Christian but our lives don't produce fruit then we aren't what we profess to be and we will suffer God's judgement. I also think that there are those who have a false sense of security that they are saved and have eternal life but aren't and may not.

Why? Because their hearts aren't moved to stop doing what is wrong in the eyes of God, they continue in sin only now with more guilt tacked on. If someone says they believe in Christ but doesn't then feel an obligation to Him to change how they live their lives then I wonder if they really truly believe. We can be deceived and we can deceive ourselves as well. This doesn't mean that God doesn't love them and just gives up on them. But, I do think that this is what Mr. Washer's point was.

You speak of salvation by grace but also say discipleship is not for everyone. I'm curious to know where that is in the bible. What I gather is that salvation is by grace and grace alone but it does take an act on my part as well. I have to repent. I think the bible is very clear about repentance and if you don't then it's not that you lose your salvation, it's that you never had salvation in the first place, you only falsely believed that you did.

I don't know, maybe I'm on the wrong track. That's why I felt compelled to continue this discussion I guess!
 
Hi Emily, just a note of encouragement! :thumbs_up God has apparently given you the gift of discernment*.

It was with great disappointment and sadness that I listened to our brother Paul Washer's passionate exhortation given some years ago.

While he makes a sincere zealous exhortation to discipleship and maturity, he unfortunately confuses his young, somewhat immature, audience by equating that theme with the message of God's free grace for salvation. (Romans 11.6)

The precious message of God's truly amazing grace by faith alone in the Person and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ for the unsaved should never be confused with the costly message of discipleship that is for authentic born again believers only.

If you check brother Washer's ministry website* you will find that the source of his confusing gospel" of "grace with works" (Galatians 1.6-7) is due to his hard calvinistic* bias and mis-understanding of Scripture, confusing costly discipleship truth with redemptive truth that is totally free in God's grace.

This has been an issue since the time of the Apostle Paul (Romans 10.2-3) One wise theologian* once noted that, "...zeal without knowledge is like running in the dark!"

I realize not all our brothers in sisters in Christ agree or even see this as a serious issue*, but nonetheless it is one that must at least be prayerfully considered.

We do not solve the problem of "carnal, immature*" believers by altering and making the Gospel of God's grace "harder" or more difficult; we do better to make the Gospel more clear*, insuring that our "hearers" are truly trusting the finished work & Person of the Lord Jesus Christ alone, and not putting any confidence in their own determination and commitments to serve Him. (Romans 4.5; Ephesians 2.8-9; Philippians 3.9; Titus 3.5-6; etc)

In His grace & grip, pastorbruce

*Links available upon requests :wink:

What did I say? Lol.
 
Hi Emily, just a note of encouragement! :thumbs_up God has apparently given you the gift of discernment*.

It was with great disappointment and sadness that I listened to our brother Paul Washer's passionate exhortation given some years ago.

While he makes a sincere zealous exhortation to discipleship and maturity, he unfortunately confuses his young, somewhat immature, audience by equating that theme with the message of God's free grace for salvation. (Romans 11.6)

The precious message of God's truly amazing grace by faith alone in the Person and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ for the unsaved should never be confused with the costly message of discipleship that is for authentic born again believers only.

If you check brother Washer's ministry website* you will find that the source of his confusing gospel" of "grace with works" (Galatians 1.6-7) is due to his hard calvinistic* bias and mis-understanding of Scripture, confusing costly discipleship truth with redemptive truth that is totally free in God's grace.

This has been an issue since the time of the Apostle Paul (Romans 10.2-3) One wise theologian* once noted that, "...zeal without knowledge is like running in the dark!"

I realize not all our brothers in sisters in Christ agree or even see this as a serious issue*, but nonetheless it is one that must at least be prayerfully considered.

We do not solve the problem of "carnal, immature*" believers by altering and making the Gospel of God's grace "harder" or more difficult; we do better to make the Gospel more clear*, insuring that our "hearers" are truly trusting the finished work & Person of the Lord Jesus Christ alone, and not putting any confidence in their own determination and commitments to serve Him. (Romans 4.5; Ephesians 2.8-9; Philippians 3.9; Titus 3.5-6; etc)

In His grace & grip, pastorbruce

*Links available upon requests :wink:

You did not watch the whole video. Clearly. No where at all does he talk about receiving salvation by works. The whole sermon was about truly walking with Christ by repenting. Faith proceeded with repentance. That is what its about. You've ran off a totally different track. Don't let me catch you passing false links to anyone. You've already proved nothing.
 
Hi Chad, tried to get the vid to finish loading, but it bombed out about 2/3 of the way through. Will try again another day. The joys of limited bandwidth I'm afraid. Did d/l and save the pdf file, will read through that one asap and comment further then :)
 
Try the audio version brother. That should help you also.
 
doh!! :embarassed:

PS. If anyone sees my brain around, could you please point it back in my direction :) *insert slap forehead icon now* ;)
 
Okay, finally finished d/l and listening to the audio version..... and all I have to say is..... it's about time :) A sobering note that needs to be heeded, and part of a growing movement out there. Thanks for sharing that with us Chad, muchly appreciated.
 
Speak the Truth in Love

Chad said:
You did not watch the whole video. Clearly. No where at all does he talk about receiving salvation by works. The whole sermon was about truly walking with Christ by repenting. Faith proceeded with repentance. That is what its about. You've ran off a totally different track. Don't let me catch you passing false links to anyone. You've already proved nothing.:shock:

Hi brother Chad,
Thanks for your interesting response.

To clarify:
Not only have I watched this passionate plea and reprimand in its entirety more than a few times, but I also have studied it closely in pdf format in order to refute the unscriptural portions for others in our ministry and church.

We need to at least be discerning enough to consider the objections raised concerning portions of this sermon.
Just because some of us disagree with brother Paul Washer's "Calvinistic" interpretation of Scripture does not mean we don't share his burden for lost souls or for "carnal" (fleshly minded) immature Christians to grow up.

The solution to sloppy inconsistent Christian living is not accomplished by poor Biblical exposition or by adding to the Gospel of God's free Grace the costly and difficult principles of discipleship.

One of the solutions is to make the Good News of Christ grace more clear. For example, Paul does a good job pointing out that nowhere in Scripture are we told we have forgiveness of sins and eternal life "by asking Jesus in to our heart."

We use that religious cliché and others that confuse the unsaved person. We mean and should explain that salvation is the absolute free gift of God by grace and received the moment we entrust (believe) that the Lord Jesus has in fact paid for all our sins on His Cross.

Which is it exactly that our brother Paul Washer passionately does in this particular sermon? He merges or equates significant discipleship passages with the free grace message of the Gospel.

For example:
Paul Washer said:
You were saved because you repented of your sins and you believed, and not only did you do that in the past, you continued to do it even until now, because when Jesus . . . a proper translation of that verse He gave is this:

The Kingdom of God is come. The time is
fulfilled. Now, spend the rest of your lives repenting of your sins and believing in Me.

Brother Washer's point is saying that if a person ever stops believing then he/she never was saved in the first place. Washer implies that the present tense of the verb believe (as in John 3:16) explains that to be saved one's faith must be continuous.

Thus if a person ever stops believing Washer is saying that whatever they had, it wasn't "the right stuff."

This argument is grammatically and theologically specious, that is, it sounds superficially pleasing or plausible but it is subtly and deceptively wrong.

This would make Alzheimer's disease or dementia the most dreaded illness a believer could ever suffer.

The fact that a present tense is used in John 3:16 does not mean that one must continuously believe in order to be saved.

We are saved by the integrity of the Person and Work of Christ alone, He alone should be the object of saving faith. We are not saved or kept saved by the quantity or even the quality of "our faith".

In Acts 16:31 Paul used an aorist tense to tell the Philippian jailer,

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved."

Likewise, Jesus told the woman at the well that if she had but one drink of the living water He offered she would never thirst again. Notice our Lord did not say that she had to keep drinking and drinking. One drink would forever quench her thirst.

The present tense in Greek often does not refer to continuous action. In John 6, for example, the Lord Jesus used a present tense verb to say that He had come down from heaven (vv 33, 50).

Obviously, Christ clearly did not mean that He was continuously coming down from heaven!

The present tense can refer to one-time actions (e.g., "Aeneas, Jesus the Christ heals you" [Acts 9:34]), to actions which repeat at regular intervals (e.g., the sun rises), and to continuous action (e.g., God the Father loves God the Son).

The Gospel Truth of Grace is:

Jesus Christ saves people the very moment they believe. It is not "continual faith" and/or "continual turning from sin" that appropriates the free gift of eternal salvation; it is an instant moment of faith in Christ alone that appropriates eternal salvation from our Lord.

Again, I deeply respect and appreciate the burden Paul Washer has for his audience. I don't doubt his sincerity. But unfortunately, his theology is tainted by the Calvinistic order of salvation that is limited only to the elect, who must be regenerated before they are compelled to "believe continuously" and thus persevere to the end. [ Go to Paul Washers website and read his statement of faith posted there if you have any doubts as to his perspective.]

Chad, I have at least seven (3) more specific quotes from this sermon that contradict the clear message of God's free grace for you or anyone else that may be interested in contrasting them with the Scriptures.

Thanks again, Chad, for providing this online ministry to promote the study of God's Word. :thumbs_up
 
His message was intended to jolt people into the awareness that being a Christian is a continual commitment, others are watching, and it's easy to get lulled into a false sense of security in North America. Going to church and rallies are fine, but what happens when you're out on your own? Is some one else doing all the work while you're basking in their glory?

Sometimes we get caught up in the romance of Christianizing the natives, but many get cold feet when the rubber meets the road. David Livingston appreciated this when he was welcomed as a hero upon his first return home. Many who admired him and expressed interest suddenly declared they had other commitments when invited - it would be true in some instances.

What does being a good role model for Christ really mean? Is it worth the persecution when the rubber meets the road?

Cheers,
John
 
Can I, because of recent traumatic events, ask you what you feel happens to a Christian who, because of so much personal pain, commits suicide.
 
Can I, because of recent traumatic events, ask you what you feel happens to a Christian who, because of so much personal pain, commits suicide.

Sister, in all honesty its best not to ask sinners what GOD has decided to do with a person's soul. To be quite straightforward, sadly whomever committed suicide took that way out. Its done and past now, so what opinions you receive may only drive the hurt to a higher level. You don't want that. Let it be in GOD's hands. No matter what, it is always GOD's final decision beyond our knowing here on earth.
 
The Video..

Paul Washer is a truly, remarkably blessed man. His message was so unique and straightforward that it left me speechless. I really liked it!!! God is using this man in a very extraordinary way and I'm thankful that when other preachers are only talking about the good side of things, there's actually someone who is not afraid to step out from that crowd and warn us about what Christianity and a relationship with Christ is really about. This message is what all young people need to hear nowadays. It's powerful and very moving..

Thanks for posting the link, Chad!!
 
Im sorry but I CANNOT see why anybody would get tiffed at being sent such a clip as this???? Except conviction

I listened to this whole thing, im very convicted yet encouraged because I feel God speaking to my heart to clean it up! wow

ty for caring enough to send this Chad
 
Paul Washer Streaming Multimedia

Amen Chad for allowing this message to be placed on TALKJESUS!

Paul Washer is a man that is uncompromisingly sold out for Jesus and His Kingdom Purposes!

I SAY AMEN AND AMEN!

This message is not only powerful but it is and has been LIFE CHANGING to many who have listened and heard this message. Many lives have been given to Christ and many Christians have been renewed in their total commitment to Jesus Christ!

Amen and Amen and again I'm going to say AMEN!
This message cut me to the heart and yet it was exhilerating to finally hear someone preaching the TRUE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!!!! Let's face it - so many out there are preaching "a pretty sugar coated and water down pleasing the masses" gospel message that doesn't save anyone from hell!!

I am so blessed and so pleased to know that we are of one mind and the same heart concerning the Kingdom of GOD!!
I Love ya bro Chad. God bless you!

TheLioness
 
glory to lord Jesus

I share this message with my families and friends, it really help us alot . the holy sprit give him power to preach just like the aposetels did.may God always help him to tell the truth with out fear . the kingdom of can't be built by fear rather it is built by love and honesty .
for us who lesten and hear this message realize where we stand and what we must do .
GOD BLESS YOU ALL, and chad May God give you strenght to fullfill his will.
 
mmmmm this man is 100% real, fortunatley i dont belong to any church, i only know what ive read and learnt in the bible, i would like to have that man preach to me every week though, he gives the right encouragement.
in britain we dont all even believe in jesus, but the remenants of how our country used to be governed, with the church next to the goverment has left a state of mind that NOW says to alot of people "mmm i dont know what to believe im just gonna wait and see" to me this is even more scary that the situation in america that he is talking about.
thanks chad he is so real.
 
hey chad do you reckon this is the kind of thing he was on about
luke19 v26
i tell you he replied,that to all those that have something , even more will be given, but those who have nothing even the LITTLE that they have will be taken away from them.
 
Thank you Chad for bringing this amazing video. As you know it's been a logn time that i didn't log in here, and i know that sometimes Christians are afraid to face the pure reality of their lifes, the fact that you have to give up the world's way and live with God's will. People may find this video really shocking but for me this is the right message for anybody who really want to Love God, and to follow Him. Because we are Christian not because of that name, but because of our Love and our Faith in Him. And we don't have to feel shocked about the message. Truth hurts indeed but i think true Christian have to learn to live by the truth always and to learn from it even if it hurts. So if people think that way about this video that means taht they didn't completely offer themselves to God.
So i thank you so much Chad for all the effort and all the great work you are doing,
God bless you.
 
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