Should Christians own guns?

[Boanerges]

i'm against it because we should pray for our enemies and not cut their ear of in the physical, not even to speak about shooting someone with a gun! if you try to save your life you will lose it, if you life by the sword you will die by the sword.

Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Different times, different quotes. Jesus told the disciples to buy swords when he was waiting to be taken, this is chronologically after the quote you posted. But if you do not want weapons then buy all means do not have them. I for one have no such issue. I can and do pray for my enemies but for the unarmed on the forum without such constraint of conscience I urge you to buy your weapons now, if Obummer gets re-elected he plans on trying to stop sales and possibly take them.

 

[littlelight]

Obummer. Lol.

 

[farout]

For every reason given not to own a gum, there are just as many that can justify owning a weapon. We have fine Christians who feel that to own a weapon is wrong for them, that the Lord will protect them, and they resolve to truct God for protection. There is nothing to argue about that. There are others that God expects us to be able to defend our family, and neighbors, city, state. and country, and they trust God to direct their choice and use wisdom in owning a weapon.

I agree with both sides, and being a Christian is not the issue for me. I personally own a few weapons and trust God will help me should such a situation arise that a show of force would be needed to prevent violence, or if violence should arise I coult portect my family. I pray that will never happen.

 

[hopefulson]

For every reason given not to own a gum, there are just as many that can justify owning a weapon. We have fine Christians who feel that to own a weapon is wrong for them, that the Lord will protect them, and they resolve to truct God for protection. There is nothing to argue about that. There are others that God expects us to be able to defend our family, and neighbors, city, state. and country, and they trust God to direct their choice and use wisdom in owning a weapon.

I agree with both sides, and being a Christian is not the issue for me. I personally own a few weapons and trust God will help me should such a situation arise that a show of force would be needed to prevent violence, or if violence should arise I coult portect my family. I pray that will never happen.

Hi
One thing I do believe is that to take the position that you would rather die than kill is a HIGHER moral position than self-defense. The complication arises when it involves the defense of a life other than your own. God be with us.

 

[Brad Huber]

Should christians have minds? For it is the mind that choose to consider violence, guns do nothing by themselves, they are simply a tool, not unlike a kitchen knife.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Should christians have minds? For it is the mind that choose to consider violence, guns do nothing by themselves, they are simply a tool, not unlike a kitchen knife.

If you have to ask the question, then you ALREADY HAVE YOUR ANSWER.

 

[Brad Huber]

If you have to ask the question, then you ALREADY HAVE YOUR ANSWER.

Ahhh, you like to be vague, thats cool, but WHY DO YOU USE CAPITOL LETTERS?

 

[hopefulson]

Hello fallen.

You did not live in Sydneys west by any chance?

That is one rough place.

Here is something I tumbled upon not so long ago, I do not remember who wrote it. Have a read and tell me what you think.

I have seen Satan beat up more Christians than I care to admit. Countless believers are living in defeat because they have been deceived. The enemy has deceived them and caused them to believe and live a lie. If we allow deception to take hold, strongholds can then be formed in our minds. Strongholds are incorrect thinking patterns based on falsehood. Demonic spirits love to use these strongholds to their advantage against a child of God. Strongholds have tremendous power to affect our feelings and emotions. Many blood-bought children of God Almighty feel guilt-ridden and worthless because they don't see themselves they way they ought to. Many Christians feel unloved and not good enough to be accepted by God because they see Him wrongly. Their perception of Him has been damaged and causes them to see Him as a distant and cruel taskmaster instead of a close loving Father who longs (deeply desires) to have an intimate loving relationship with them!

2 Corinthians 11:3, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

This is good very good. It is so important to defend The Spirit of Grace within us. VERY GOOD.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Ahhh, you like to be vague, thats cool, but WHY DO YOU USE CAPITOL LETTERS?

Nothing "Vague" about it. If you have to ask, then You're NOT moving in FAITH, and whatsoever's not of FAITH is SIN (Rom 14).

I use CAPITAL letters for accent. It's my Style, has been for well over 25 years, and won't change anytime soon.

 

[Brad Huber]

Nothing "Vague" about it. If you have to ask, then You're NOT moving in FAITH, and whatsoever's not of FAITH is SIN (Rom 14).

I use CAPITAL letters for accent. It's my Style, has been for well over 25 years, and won't change anytime soon.

I have plenty of faith in Jesus. Faith in you though, or your words equals zero. Being vague in attacking others words is a true sign of someone feeling superior to others. Hoping to get in a jab without feeling you did anything wrong or getting in trouble over it. Be courageous, make your message simple, unless you are incapable of it.

 

[hopefulson]

I have plenty of faith in Jesus. Faith in you though, or your words equals zero. Being vague in attacking others words is a true sign of someone feeling superior to others. Hoping to get in a jab without feeling you did anything wrong or getting in trouble over it. Be courageous, make your message simple, unless you are incapable of it.

Sounds like war to me. You guys are not packing are you?

 

[Brad Huber]

Sounds like war to me. You guys are not packing are you?

Sounds like you guys love to argue. Take a cold shower.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I have plenty of faith in Jesus. Faith in you though, or your words equals zero. Being vague in attacking others words is a true sign of someone feeling superior to others. Hoping to get in a jab without feeling you did anything wrong or getting in trouble over it. Be courageous, make your message simple, unless you are incapable of it.

If you have to ask, then You're NOT moving in FAITH, and whatsoever's not of FAITH is SIN (Rom 14).
Doesn't get SIMPLER than that yo.

 

[Hekuran]

In the future, when your son asks you, “What is the meaning of the stipulations, decrees and laws the Lord our God has commanded you?” tell him:

"If you have to ask, then You're NOT moving in FAITH, and whatsoever's not of FAITH is SIN. Doesn't get SIMPLER than that yo."

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“How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

Gabriel replied, "If you have to ask, then You're NOT moving in FAITH, and whatsoever's not of FAITH is SIN. Doesn't get SIMPLER than that yo."

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The king asked Daniel (also called Belteshazzar), “Are you able to tell me what I saw in my dream and interpret it?”

Daniel replied, "If you have to ask, then You're NOT moving in FAITH, and whatsoever's not of FAITH is SIN. Doesn't get SIMPLER than that yo."

 

[Brad Huber]

If you have to ask, then You're NOT moving in FAITH, and whatsoever's not of FAITH is SIN (Rom 14).
Doesn't get SIMPLER than that yo.

Yo, I move in more faith in one day, than most do in a lifetime. Again, my faith is in the Lord, not what would be soothsayers tell me.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

And should they be used against others to defend yourself. If you are a police officer how does that fit in with your Christian Ideals. Do you use them to hunt or for fun or protection. If you own one why do you have it or them?



Thanks in advance

Luke 22:36-37 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
36 “But now,” he said, if you have a wallet or a pack, take it; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your to buy one. 37 For I tell you this: the passage from the Tanakh that says, ‘He was counted with transgressors,’[a] has to be fulfilled in me; since what is happening to me has a purpose.”
What if they had guns in those days? Would they have carried guns instead of swords? Did Jesus break His own Word telling His disciples to buy one?

 

[hopefulson]

Luke 22:36-37 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
36 “But now,” he said, if you have a wallet or a pack, take it; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your to buy one. 37 For I tell you this: the passage from the Tanakh that says, ‘He was counted with transgressors,’[a] has to be fulfilled in me; since what is happening to me has a purpose.”
What if they had guns in those days? Would they have carried guns instead of swords? Did Jesus break His own Word telling His disciples to buy one?

Taken from The American Declaration of Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

From the beginning, the right to bear arms was meant to establish and defend the personal integrity and sanctity of the personal will that every living being posses. It is not so Daniel Boone can put dinner on the table but has a direct intention to convey to government and others that the personal integrity of individuals has life and death value and each person has a share in the corporate responsibility for that integrity's establishment and defense. God has died for the recovery of that integrity and the wholeness of your soul under Him.

When a spirit of kindness by the people towards their government is not acknowledged in the application of that government's authority a dangerous relationship has begun. That government is far more likely to REMOVE RIGHTS THAN TO DEFEND THEM. Look around you and recognize that guns are flying off the shelf and ammunition is hard to find. These are natural developments of a LAWLESS ENVIRONMENT. The answer of a government that is lawless itself is to remove the rights of the lawful. Everything is headed in the direction of prophecy towards terrible oppression that will assail the souls of everyone and will find your personal integrity as a condition that is an enemy of the state and that lawless state will use every means at its disposal to destroy your independence and your right to express it.

America in its failure to recognize the infinite value of each person's eternal worth now considers life's value as much less than The Creators Blood designates it to be. This is the natural result of the sin of abortion.

In short, guns are like the death penalty in capital crimes, no one likes it but Justice demands it. You don't have to like guns or own one, but you dare not dismiss the values and responsibilities they represent and convey to the lawful and responsible. I pray to Almighty God that not one tiny bit of my integrity would be lost because only from that position can REAL LOVE be conveyed to God and to others. Only from that position is TRUTH visible and the real values in this world be experienced and established in a believer's heart. God Bless You All.

 

[Sue D.]

"Should Christians own guns?" -- Any kind of weaponry is useless on it's own. It's an inanimate object. A person joining the military is issued a weapon -- they are shown how to use it and are expected to do so when told to.

A Christian is a born again believer -- so - how is that person intending to Use the gun that he/ she Has. One passage that might apply " Colossians 3:17 -- And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."

A couple of my brother-in-laws Do own guns and enjoy skeet shooting. They are good, law-abiding , responsible men. They also enjoy hunting.

So -- is the purpose for buying a gun to go hunting? Lots of people go deer hunting -- they eat what they kill. Back in the 'day' -- if a guy didn't 'shoot it' you didn't Eat. And men would meet people coming on to their property with a riffle / shot gun with them some times. They were protecting their property and their families from the stranger.

And our Constitution Does give people the right to bear arms. We Need that.

That which we Don't need is for people to use guns or whatever to break the law. To harm or kill another person. That is against the law. But the 'gun' isn't the problem. It's the person Using it that has the problem. That is why those people are put behind bars or given capital punishment -- to prevent them from harming other people.

And, then, we Also need to be Careful with our guns -- are they going to be reached by children who can accidentally hurt or kill themselves or someone Else.

A passage -- Luke 22:36 - 37 has been brought up. I'm quoting from NKJV "Then He said to them, But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack, and he who has no sword, let him sell his garments and buy one. vs 37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: And H was numbered with the transgressors." For the things concerning Me have an end." --- swords were the weaponry used in that day.

My late husband had a gun -- a couple of them -- bought a gun safe and put it in the bedroom. Just in case someone tried to break in -- they would see a gun. I , on the other hand, do Not like guns. I make sure my doors are locked. If I Needed to use a weapon in my house against an attacker -- a fry pan or broom handle would be used. No one will accidentally get shot that way.

So -- I see no reason that a Christian shouldn't own a gun if they want one. Just never point a gun at another person. Learn how to use a gun safely / properly.

Never, Ever have a toy / plastic gun Anywhere.

 

[Sue D.]

@Admon Mikha'el -- Jesus Christ -- God's Son -- does not give us Scripture in a haphazard way. your post #96 suggests that He broke His own word in that particular situation. God's ways / His judgements are perfect. The same applies to Jesus Christ. That it's perfectly okay to protect ourselves. And on the Other hand. When a person is threatened to either forsake the name of Jesus / God -- or Die -- that person is a martyr for taking that stand For God / Jesus Christ. Even if the person being persecuted Has a weapon. I, as a born again believer, know that I'll be immediate with Jesus Christ upon My death. I Don't know the eternal destination of the Other person. I don't want to be the one killing him / her and sending them to eternity in hell. They might end up in jail / prison and be reached with the Gospel unto salvation. Persecutors Have been known to accept Christ as their personal Savior when they see others willing To suffer / die for Christ.

On the Other hand, it's in the New Testament where Paul stood on his Roman citizen ship to avoid a scourging. Which he had every Right to do.

 

[Hekuran]

Gun Deaths by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Looking at the situation in America from the UK, I think only the line of reasoning 'It's our heritage and it's our culture to own guns' makes sense.

The US has a far higher rate of gun deaths than other comparable nations. Anyone arguing that more guns makes society safer has quite a bit of work to do to explaining the terrible statistics.

In the UK we have no capital punishment, a low rate of gun ownership and a far lower rate of gun deaths and of violent death overall. Isn't that a preferable situation?