Should women be allowed to preach in churches?

[Sue D.]

The title of this thread is "should women be allowed to preach in church."

In a church setting -- preaching is done from behind a pulpit. I've grown up in churches. My late husband and my brother-in-law went to Bible college and seminary and were ordained into the ministry.

Unfortunately there are lots of churches that choose to do things their own way rather than following God's Word.

Preaching is teaching God's Word to a mixed group of adults -- which is Scripturally to be done by a man. The good news is part Of preaching.

Born again believers are to be sharing the Gospel unto salvation with whomever is willing to listen. I do a lot of sharing here on Forum. And probably to mostly men. But I'm not in the same room with anyone here in Forum.
As a woman , I can share with a man if situation would present itself. But it would be on a one-on-one basis.

Why do 'we' buck Scripture. Why not simply follow God's guidelines / rules.

 

[VisionSeeker]

I personally think people when reading GOD'S word they turn it to fit their lifestyle. We can't do this. Nine of us are perfect, but I try to live by GODS word daily. I pray asking for wisdom, knowledge and understanding, before read GOD'S word daily. When GOD guides me to tell others of Salvation or other scripture I carry his word with me so I can show others what the Bible says. Don't take my word for it stand in the truth the Bible.. So to answer your question? I to often wonder why people want to change an buck the scriptures. They want to twist people minds an the children coming up today. we are in Sorrowful times an best be praying for JESUS to guide each step in life we take. Many Blessings to each of you an peace be with you

 

[Brad Huber]

A church is merely a gathering of the children of God. That means this site itself constitutes a church, women preach here all the time. Do you think women should be told to only preach on a women's only thread?

 

[Sue D.]

@Brad Huber -- this forum is Not a church. It IS governed by an administrator / a man / and various moderators // also men - well - - there is one woman moderator. But mostly men. Fragrant Grace is here sometimes.

I do not consider myself here as a preacher -- far from it. I Do share a lot, though. I'm normally a very quiet person. On here and FB I'm more vocal.

So -- what Does constitute being a 'child of God'. since you brought it up.

Men minister to men and women minister to women -- but it Biblically should be a man being behind a pulpit Preaching to a mixed group of men and women.

There are lots of subject areas within this site that Anyone can contribute to as long as they follow the sites guidelines. There is no pulpit To stand up to proclaim from.

A church Is a place / usually a building/ where fellow believers get together on a regular basis to praise and worship God.

And there Are women who would only participate in a Women's section. And there are probably men who wish that I would go to the women's section and stay there. But it's more interesting being in open Forum.

 

[Brad Huber]

@Brad Huber -- this forum is Not a church. It IS governed by an administrator / a man / and various moderators // also men - well - - there is one woman moderator. But mostly men. Fragrant Grace is here sometimes.

I do not consider myself here as a preacher -- far from it. I Do share a lot, though. I'm normally a very quiet person. On here and FB I'm more vocal.

So -- what Does constitute being a 'child of God'. since you brought it up.

Men minister to men and women minister to women -- but it Biblically should be a man being behind a pulpit Preaching to a mixed group of men and women.

There are lots of subject areas within this site that Anyone can contribute to as long as they follow the sites guidelines. There is no pulpit To stand up to proclaim from.

A church Is a place / usually a building/ where fellow believers get together on a regular basis to praise and worship God.

And there Are women who would only participate in a Women's section. And there are probably men who wish that I would go to the women's section and stay there. But it's more interesting being in open Forum.

There is the church building, where the church congregates, but surely you know, thats not really the church. Many call them churches because they typically will house the gathering of believers or those interested in hearing more about the good news. But the church is not man made, the church is a gathering of believers, "Where two or three come together in His name, there He is with them." That is the church, pls understand the fundamental truth of this, the gates of hell shall not stand against Holy Spirit filled believers, the gates of hell already knocked out both the pride of the vatican and the orthodox church early on. I think despite the corruptness of the RCC, God spared the worst of the beating they took from the hordes of the Mongol Empire, and they were content with the treasures the RCC gave it to leave their doorstep. Then the orthodox church, the OC, was beaten by a combination of Islam, and its brothers in the RCC, looking for treasure before the jihad stole it or destroyed it all. The gates of hell overcame both of those physical churches, but in both cases the true spiritual church, the body of believers, the gates of Hell has never prevailed against that body of believers, not the true church. This is a body of some believers talking about Christ, mixed with some wolves looking for weak christians that they can pounce on and in their minds, devour their faith. But the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against the church, surely you know what the church is?

 

[Brad Huber]

@Brad Huber -- this forum is Not a church. It IS governed by an administrator / a man / and various moderators // also men - well - - there is one woman moderator. But mostly men. Fragrant Grace is here sometimes.

I do not consider myself here as a preacher -- far from it. I Do share a lot, though. I'm normally a very quiet person. On here and FB I'm more vocal.

So -- what Does constitute being a 'child of God'. since you brought it up.

Men minister to men and women minister to women -- but it Biblically should be a man being behind a pulpit Preaching to a mixed group of men and women.

There are lots of subject areas within this site that Anyone can contribute to as long as they follow the sites guidelines. There is no pulpit To stand up to proclaim from.

A church Is a place / usually a building/ where fellow believers get together on a regular basis to praise and worship God.

And there Are women who would only participate in a Women's section. And there are probably men who wish that I would go to the women's section and stay there. But it's more interesting being in open Forum.

What you consider yourself has little value to what you are. You identify as a female, a woman, and regardless of what you say, you do often preach here. Surely you understand what preaching is? Its warning others of spiritual maladies that they have mired themselves in. You often do that here, and I dont say this to condemn you for hypocrisy. I say it to tell you that although as a rule, women should not be in leadership over men very often, it happened, in both OT and NT. If God can use a donkey to share a msg of spiritual malady to someone, I would feel wrong to say women shouldnt at times preach as well. I dont speak for God unless He asks me too, and He hasnt in this, but scripture backs me up.... Debra..... Priscilla....?

 

[Sue D.]

@Brad Huber -- there is the universal body of born again believers AND the local body of believers. The local body of believers is the group that needs an overseer / bishop / elders, etc. And the need for deacons which is Also listed with qualifications Of.

I consider 'preaching' to be to a visible group of people -- well -- with the COVID stuff and restrictions. Various pastors / teachers do Zoom or on-line presentations. Those with computers can listen in so the congregation is both in church And in their own homes.

Anyone on a Forum is Not seeing the person they are talking to. I'm sitting at my computer - talking - via my keyboard.

At church -- we're a Small group -- there Are a couple of women who have no trouble speaking up -- asking / answering questions. I'm definitely Not one of them.

As I recall, Priscilla was a very active woman in the particular church and she was also married to Acquilla -- together, husband and wife, were leaders in the local church. They were also both tent makers.

Pastors in churches -- many times -- their wives also are part of the ministry. Piano playing / singing in choir / VBS organizers. They teach women's classes. But they are not behind the pulpit teaching mixed men and women.

Many years ago there was a very small church that my husband and I went to. The new preacher and wife were straight out of Bible college. They had met in a class about spiritual gifts. He had persuaded her that she should be teaching. She ended up being the teacher for the adult mixed class. She was Very uncomfortable in front of us. It's more natural for a man to be teaching mixed adult groups. Lots of things work better , in the long-run, when guidelines are followed.

The same with music / choir directors. There was a woman music teacher -- high school age students. She was married and the church gave her a chance to be the new choir director. But her brother was Also in the choir. She had no problem correcting him when needed and he was very uncomfortable being corrected by 'a woman'. After a few weeks, she was replaced by a man.. He wasn't much better, but at least it was a man. Shortly thereafter there was a man hired in as the new music / choir director. That was much better.

And there was Another situation where a very good woman music teacher Did direct the choir. Her husband was in the choir. She knew what she was doing and was professional -- they all respected her and followed her leadership. AFter being around them for a while -- well -- a person could tell who was the leader of that family. Her husband was a nice guy -- but very quiet -- laid-back.

Having shared all of this -- God has Still given us His guidelines for who is to be behind a pulpit Preaching to a mixed group of adults.

For several years , my husband and I hosted a small-group Bible study in our small town. That is when I started sharing / talking in a small group.

So -- will stop 'preaching' for now.

 

[Sue D.]

There is the church building, where the church congregates, but surely you know, thats not really the church. Many call them churches because they typically will house the gathering of believers or those interested in hearing more about the good news. But the church is not man made, the church is a gathering of believers, "Where two or three come together in His name, there He is with them." That is the church, pls understand the fundamental truth of this, the gates of hell shall not stand against Holy Spirit filled believers, the gates of hell already knocked out both the pride of the vatican and the orthodox church early on. I think despite the corruptness of the RCC, God spared the worst of the beating they took from the hordes of the Mongol Empire, and they were content with the treasures the RCC gave it to leave their doorstep. Then the orthodox church, the OC, was beaten by a combination of Islam, and its brothers in the RCC, looking for treasure before the jihad stole it or destroyed it all. The gates of hell overcame both of those physical churches, but in both cases the true spiritual church, the body of believers, the gates of Hell has never prevailed against that body of believers, not the true church. This is a body of some believers talking about Christ, mixed with some wolves looking for weak christians that they can pounce on and in their minds, devour their faith. But the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against the church, surely you know what the church is?

Your very last comment. "But the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against the church, surely you know what the church is?"

Jesus Christ is the foundation / corner stone of the Church -- Not referring to the RCC church.

Going back up to vs 16 , Peter is answering the question that Jesus asked Him. And even preceeding That -- the question was 'who is Jesus'? the disciples were saying that people didn't really know for sure -- naming several possibilities.
Then Jesus Christ asked Simon Peter "But who do you say I am" -- Peter responds back that "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

The response from Jesus Christ is that only God could have revealed that fact to Peter. And Jesus continues to say that upon That rock I will build my church. The RCC wants to interpret that as Peter being the rock. But the context says that Jesus Christ being the Son of God is the foundation / corner stone of the Church / Jesus Christ.

Salvation is the 'key' that Peter will be sharing -- salvation is settled here on earth. The 'key' to heaven is salvation -- there is no other name given to be saved.

There are those who believe that Peter was the 1st pope. And I think it's based on that passage.

You're presenting history that I've never heard before. There's some very confusing history in the forming of the RCC.

And, yes , there Is the passage that "Where two or three come together in My name, there I am in the midst of them" -- a church can be as small as two or three people who are born again believers -- and any size bigger.

And, yes, I suppose I Am 'preaching' again. I'm sharing / being expressive.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

preach

[ preech ]

verb (used with object)
to proclaim or make known by sermon (the gospel, good tidings, etc.).
to deliver (a sermon).


to advocate or inculcate (religious or moral truth, right conduct, etc.) in speech or writing.
verb (used without object)
to deliver a sermon.
to give earnest advice, as on religious or moral subjects or the like.
to do this in an obtrusive or tedious way.




Synomyms: Address, Deliver, Talk, Inform, We all know, of course, that a synomym is a word that is spelled different but means the same thing. Preach talk inform address all mean the same thing.

 

[Brad Huber]

Your very last comment. "But the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against the church, surely you know what the church is?"

Jesus Christ is the foundation / corner stone of the Church -- Not referring to the RCC church.

Going back up to vs 16 , Peter is answering the question that Jesus asked Him. And even preceeding That -- the question was 'who is Jesus'? the disciples were saying that people didn't really know for sure -- naming several possibilities.
Then Jesus Christ asked Simon Peter "But who do you say I am" -- Peter responds back that "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

The response from Jesus Christ is that only God could have revealed that fact to Peter. And Jesus continues to say that upon That rock I will build my church. The RCC wants to interpret that as Peter being the rock. But the context says that Jesus Christ being the Son of God is the foundation / corner stone of the Church / Jesus Christ.

Salvation is the 'key' that Peter will be sharing -- salvation is settled here on earth. The 'key' to heaven is salvation -- there is no other name given to be saved.

There are those who believe that Peter was the 1st pope. And I think it's based on that passage.

You're presenting history that I've never heard before. There's some very confusing history in the forming of the RCC.

And, yes , there Is the passage that "Where two or three come together in My name, there I am in the midst of them" -- a church can be as small as two or three people who are born again believers -- and any size bigger.

And, yes, I suppose I Am 'preaching' again. I'm sharing / being expressive.

People back in the 50's used to think there is a communist around every corner, here at TJ, they use the rcc instead. I am not RCC, I have never been RCC, I dont plan on every being RCC.... I sorta get tired of ppl here jumping on any mention of the RCC as the devil incarnate. I know you didnt say they were, but you jumped on that, as if I was standing up for the RCC. I never said the RCC was the church. But at those times in history that I spoke of, those were the only institutional churchs around. I have heard before the belief that Jesus was refering to Himself at the rock He will build His church upon, I have heard it taught Peter (and his keys as well) was who he was refering to. I dont intend to bring up such a disputed passage to make a point. My point goes apart from that, He said His church, all true christians are a part of that church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. So its not buildings that Hell shall not prevail against, or group of buildings, its the spiritual church, the complete body of believers. With Jesus of course doing the real vanguard duty against said gates of Hell. What little we contribute is just allowing God to use us for good purpose while here on this earth. We true christians here at TJ are part of that spiritual church, and its really mostly a pulpit for all of us, preaching should never be just one sided, pastor to congregation, shut up congregation, let the pastor speak, accept what he says or leave. So the unstructured form of preaching and congregation that happens here simply allows for a more disorderly (or less formal depending on how you see it) preaching which should always include those listerner's responses.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Brad -- well -- it's just that the RCC is a huge group and a lot of people Are misled by them. I married into a large family -- half of them married into the RCC -- my husband was the one who went to Baptist Bible college and was in Baptist ministry for some years. And I've also been interested in Doctrinal apologetics which is simply knowing what you believe and why you believe it. And I've been sort of strong on upholding God's Word as being the Only way. And I'm Also finding that defining terms is important. There are some belief systems that use Biblical terminology but put their own 'twist' to it but a person doesn't realize it for a while. The pastor at the Baptist church I've been going to has been wonderful about interacting with us during Sunday / Wedn evening Bible study. Well -- he passed away almost a month ago, But he wanted interaction to see how much we really understood about Scripture. Every so often he'd say 'something' and wonder how long it would take us to question what he was saying. He got upset with us once, because we were not speaking up to question him. He would teach books / small sections at a time and discuss it with us. We learned a lot that way -- he's missed. 'we' need to be searching Scripture -- find out what God has to say about life. Follow His guidelines / rules instead of trying to adjust them to meet Our 'wants'.

Your bio info doesn't say where you are from. Probably doesn't matter. Just curious.

On my FB page -- I think it's called 'the God Vine' or something like that. Mostly theological in nature. I interact with that a lot. Sharing what Scripture says. Not always Popular , but Scriptural.

Yes, the give and take of information. Ya never know what you're going to learn around here. And I take opportunities to Share.

 

[Brad Huber]

@ Brad -- well -- it's just that the RCC is a huge group and a lot of people Are misled by them. I married into a large family -- half of them married into the RCC -- my husband was the one who went to Baptist Bible college and was in Baptist ministry for some years. And I've also been interested in Doctrinal apologetics which is simply knowing what you believe and why you believe it. And I've been sort of strong on upholding God's Word as being the Only way. And I'm Also finding that defining terms is important. There are some belief systems that use Biblical terminology but put their own 'twist' to it but a person doesn't realize it for a while. The pastor at the Baptist church I've been going to has been wonderful about interacting with us during Sunday / Wedn evening Bible study. Well -- he passed away almost a month ago, But he wanted interaction to see how much we really understood about Scripture. Every so often he'd say 'something' and wonder how long it would take us to question what he was saying. He got upset with us once, because we were not speaking up to question him. He would teach books / small sections at a time and discuss it with us. We learned a lot that way -- he's missed. 'we' need to be searching Scripture -- find out what God has to say about life. Follow His guidelines / rules instead of trying to adjust them to meet Our 'wants'.

Your bio info doesn't say where you are from. Probably doesn't matter. Just curious.

On my FB page -- I think it's called 'the God Vine' or something like that. Mostly theological in nature. I interact with that a lot. Sharing what Scripture says. Not always Popular , but Scriptural.

Yes, the give and take of information. Ya never know what you're going to learn around here. And I take opportunities to Share.

My fb moniker is BradoftheVeld. I used that name in a funny way. At one time, I used my real name, which is not really smart with all the ppl out there trying to collect info on ppl to make false identities and ruin ppls lives. My name here is my real name, too late to change it now I think, but this is much safer than FB for info collection and abuse. But anyways, FB kept wanting me to post more information on myself, where I came from, etc and my complete name, really bothered me that FB was wanting me to put out more info on myself that could be used for evil purpose. So to appease the nagging from FB, I changed most personal info to wrong info, and my name to BradoftheVeld. I picked that simply because I had recently read a book about a rabbit who lived in the Veld something or other, so I just added that, LOL. I was raised in Ohio, spent 8 1/2 years in the USAF, then spent the rest of the time of my 60 odd years in either GA or NC. Currently in western NC. Not far from where Billy Graham lived for many years.

 

[Sue D.]

@Brad Huber -- I grew up in central Iowa. Have ended up here in south/ central Texas. Life can be strange at times.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The title of this thread is "should women be allowed to preach in church."

Sure - if they're Called to preach, there's no Biblical injunction AGAINST it, and the "Muzzling verses" have to be understood in CONTEXT. Jerusalem had plenty of Women in ministry, and Paul's instructions are to churches in societies deeply contaminated by the Diana/Artimus religion - which was Matriarchal (Eve was supposedly created FIRST, and had the spiritual horsepower. NOT the men). Naturally Paul didn't want any of that cultural HERESY adulterating the NEW churches, and the NEW Christians, before they became SOLIDLY GROUNDED in Christian theology. The existence of the Catholic "Mary thing" unfortunately demonstrates that he wasn't entirely successful in keeping the lies out of the church.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Sure - if they're Called to preach, there's no Biblical injunction AGAINST it, and the "Muzzling verses" have to be understood in CONTEXT. Jerusalem had plenty of Women in ministry, and Paul's instructions are to churches in societies deeply contaminated by the Diana/Artimus religion - which was Matriarchal (Eve was supposedly created FIRST, and had the spiritual horsepower. NOT the men). Naturally Paul didn't want any of that cultural HERESY adulterating the NEW churches, and the NEW Christians, before they became SOLIDLY GROUNDED in Christian theology. The existence of the Catholic "Mary thing" unfortunately demonstrates that he wasn't entirely successful in keeping the lies out of the church.

That's ok Paul...Keeping the lies out of the church was not your job...Preaching the truth was your job.

 

[Sue D.]

Sure - if they're Called to preach, there's no Biblical injunction AGAINST it, and the "Muzzling verses" have to be understood in CONTEXT. Jerusalem had plenty of Women in ministry, and Paul's instructions are to churches in societies deeply contaminated by the Diana/Artimus religion - which was Matriarchal (Eve was supposedly created FIRST, and had the spiritual horsepower. NOT the men). Naturally Paul didn't want any of that cultural HERESY adulterating the NEW churches, and the NEW Christians, before they became SOLIDLY GROUNDED in Christian theology. The existence of the Catholic "Mary thing" unfortunately demonstrates that he wasn't entirely successful in keeping the lies out of the church.

Well -- according to the 1 Timothy and Titus passages -- a woman Won't be called by God to preach because Those guidelines state that a man is to be in that position. Women are very good with women's Bible studies.

God's Word tells us that Adam was created first and then Eve.

The RCC has the "Mary thing" Not protestant churches. Don't we need to stick to God's Word? We Do have Mary's comments in Luke 1: 46 - 55. vs 47 she is humbled by the fact that God used a lowly girl like herself to be the mother of the Christ child. And she recognizes that future generations will call her blessed because of that. But Scripture does not exalt her. She seems to disappear from Scripture after the bodily resurrection.

God Did use Mary to bring Christ into this world / God incarnate. Thus, we celebrate Christmas

Christian theology -- how about Bible doctrine

 

[FullArmorofGod]

I recently saw this video on YouTube from Lauri Alexander who makes the argument that women were never called to preach.

I personally believe that a woman should be allowed to preach, if she has received that calling.
What does the forum believe?

How is she serving and submitting to her husband preaching?

It just another example of what of cherry picking and making things up as you go. It's a similar experience dating Christian women. Wants to preach. Wants to ride the carousel. Wants abortion. Wants marriage after the carousel and having some man's kids of course unmarried.

Read your Bible.

 

[FullArmorofGod]

I saw a Christian female youtuber raging but because Christian men won't marry her because of her life of debauchery and promiscuity. Again, unmarriagable. Shocking. And of course cherry picking Bible verses. She is front row center at the next abortion riot.

 

[Hekuran]

@FullArmorofGod I quickly looked at the history of your posts on TalkJesus. Almost all of them are about women, and most expressing negative attitudes to woman and dating.

It's clearly a significant issue for you. But you may need to take these attitudes before God in prayer.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Well -- according to the 1 Timothy and Titus passages -- a woman Won't be called by God to preach because Those guidelines state that a man is to be in that position. Women are very good with women's Bible studies.

God's Word tells us that Adam was created first and then Eve.

The RCC has the "Mary thing" Not protestant churches. Don't we need to stick to God's Word? We Do have Mary's comments in Luke 1: 46 - 55. vs 47 she is humbled by the fact that God used a lowly girl like herself to be the mother of the Christ child. And she recognizes that future generations will call her blessed because of that. But Scripture does not exalt her. She seems to disappear from Scripture after the bodily resurrection.

God Did use Mary to bring Christ into this world / God incarnate. Thus, we celebrate Christmas

Christian theology -- how about Bible doctrine

SO go ahead and MUZZLE your women if you please because of what YOU THINK the Bible teaches. Your loss.