Should women be allowed to preach in churches?

[Admon Mikha'el]

It might be good to dig into that Sue...Here, put the Hebrew on the keywords ... It is necessary, therefore, for the congregational Mashgiach Ruchani to be without reproach, ba’al isha echat (a one woman man/master, see OJB p.258, 1Sm 2:22-25, i.e., kedushah and tahorah characterized by heterosexuality, exclusivity, and fidelity), drug-free and clear-headed, a man of seichel, practiced in derech eretz and hachnosas orchim (hospitality), skillful as a rabbinic moreh (yeshiva teacher),

Even learned translators can get lazy... What is God really trying to tell us? It seems that it was somewhat obfuscated

You said "Eve was created after Adam" But Eve was not created. She was taken out of Adam...

Well -- other than that being Way over my head.

A man is meant to be the natural leader -- both of the family -- church -- Jesus Christ was God incarnate. He came into this world as a man. Not a woman. God uses both men and women / boys and girls / teens, etc. to share God's Word with others. But the pulpit ministry is meant for men only. It feels like the intended order. Not emotional feelings but the internal 'gut' feeling.

the term 'obfuscated' -- I've heard that before but will look up it's meaning again. "making a message hard to understand"

At Bible study it was stated -- most of the time, the obvious answer is the most correct.

Oh that's just me, using big words to make me look smart. LOL It just says the applicant must be heterosexual, with one mate, faithful, drug free and so on

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Well -- other than that being Way over my head.

A man is meant to be the natural leader -- both of the family -- church -- Jesus Christ was God incarnate. He came into this world as a man. Not a woman. God uses both men and women / boys and girls / teens, etc. to share God's Word with others. But the pulpit ministry is meant for men only. It feels like the intended order. Not emotional feelings but the internal 'gut' feeling.

the term 'obfuscated' -- I've heard that before but will look up it's meaning again. "making a message hard to understand"

At Bible study it was stated -- most of the time, the obvious answer is the most correct.

Yes..Man was meant to be the natural leader...God gave Adam a helper, a mate, a completion. I like that..A completion. She makes him complete...Consider that. Not a slave, a servant, a subserviant...But a completion. So where do Christians get off saying the woman cannot complete the man by teaching him? Or telling him the good news? That's unscriptural.

 

[Sue D.]

@Admon -- but simply not teaching in a public way. Well -- because God's Word says -- 1 Timothy 2:12. the old fashioned word is 'usurp' , but the NKJV says "And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence." In a church setting. I've been around some women who are loud-mouths. There used to be a group of ladies from church that would come over to play Rook, I think. One of them was very exuberant. She'd get mad easily and after a while the group broke up. The rest of the ladies were enjoying playing the game and fellowshipping.

When a woman / wife is the one leading her husband to the Lord -- that's wonderful. The Bible study woman said that she was led to the Lord before her husband was. She read her Bible and prayed but never approached her husband. He said later that he was watching her personality gradually change to being Christ-like and that brought him to the Lord.

But to be in a group of men -- men should be leading other men.

My older granddaughter is married to a wonderful Christian man. His father was not a spiritual leader when he was growing up. So -- Now -- as the leader in his own marriage, Rachel is realizing that He needs to be leading Her. They talk / discuss together -- they are Learning Together. But she is needing to learn her role as his wife and allow him to lead.

Marriage is a very special / unique relationship. At least it's supposed to be.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

@Admon -- but simply not teaching in a public way. Well -- because God's Word says -- 1 Timothy 2:12. the old fashioned word is 'usurp' , but the NKJV says "And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence." In a church setting. I've been around some women who are loud-mouths. There used to be a group of ladies from church that would come over to play Rook, I think. One of them was very exuberant. She'd get mad easily and after a while the group broke up. The rest of the ladies were enjoying playing the game and fellowshipping.

When a woman / wife is the leading her husband to the Lord -- that's wonderful. The Bible study woman said that she was led to the Lord before her husband was. She read her Bible and prayed but never approached her husband. He said later that he was watching her personality gradually change to being Christ-like and that brought him to the Lord.

But to be in a group of men -- men should be leading other men.

My older granddaughter is married to a wonderful Christian man. His father was not a spiritual leader when he was growing up. So -- Now -- as the leader in his own marriage, Rachel is realizing that He needs to be leading Her. They talk / discuss together -- they are Learning Together. But she is needing to learn her role as his wife and allow him to lead.

Marriage is a very special / unique relationship. At least it's supposed to be.

Admon smiled. (Very unusual these days)

1 Timothy 2:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Ok...What man? Her hugsband! He has a certain authority. He is the one who is mainly answerable to God for any messes in the family. So he is to lead there. But in public is a different situation altogether. She can have the ministry, and a wise hugsband will be her support, them back at home the leadership role reverses. She is always a completion to her husband even when the ministry is hers. Not at all unscriptural.
So my friend, we must choose between The Word of God, and the Traditions of Men A woman must keep quiet is a tradition not Word

 

[Sue D.]

So -- I'm being a good influence on you.

In a church setting -- it would be Any man.

A married woman can be asking her husband questians outside of the church. In the hallway. Or write him a note During the service and they can write / text each other during the service. Or they could Both be listening to the sermon. I guess the point is -- a Sunday School lesson is being taught or sermon is being preached that everyone is Supposed to listen to. One pastor in a church said that his wife was simply being a facilitator in the class. She wasn't really 'teaching'. In That situation there has been a married couple teaching a class. The husband was doing the teaching and his wife was there for the women. It worked out fairly well.

I guess I don't have a problem with women being quiet during church / not being a public speaker. I'm very quiet naturally. I did take speech class three different times. I'm Not a public speaker and no voice range.

Here on Forum -- I interact with men all the time. If all these men were put in a classroom and I was in there, too. I'm certain I'd never say a word . Here I'm responding to various subject areas.

I'm around men at Walmart and never talk to any of them.

At church the same thing. I don't talk very much at all. When I do, it's briefly with women.

Social distancing and wearing a face mask helps keep me quiet and definitely affects socializing.

 

[FullArmorofGod]

SO go ahead and MUZZLE your women if you please because of what YOU THINK the Bible teaches. Your loss.

Don't bother. You can't talk sense to people and it's kind of funny. You imagine with age, it will change but it don't. You have women pushing 70 preaching Bible verses cherry picked to her liking. A history of abortion, promiscuity, and divorce but you better man up.

I went to a junior high Christian school. the highest stat of pregnancy in the state. It cracks me up.

 

[FullArmorofGod]

Admon smiled. (Very unusual these days)

1 Timothy 2:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Ok...What man? Her hugsband! He has a certain authority. He is the one who is mainly answerable to God for any messes in the family. So he is to lead there. But in public is a different situation altogether. She can have the ministry, and a wise hugsband will be her support, them back at home the leadership role reverses. She is always a completion to her husband even when the ministry is hers. Not at all unscriptural.
So my friend, we must choose between The Word of God, and the Traditions of Men A woman must keep quiet is a tradition not Word

Herein lies why a majority of Christian women are not marriage material. It's more cherry picking Bible verses, promiscuity and some man's kid who you need to support.

Proud single mom narrative. Insert government hand out or unleashing the dogs of the state to extract male resources.



The future is going to be spinster and cat farms.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Herein lies why a majority of Christian women are not marriage material. It's more cherry picking Bible verses, promiscuity and some man's kid who you need to support.

Proud single mom narrative. Insert government hand out or unleashing the dogs of the state to extract male resources.



The future is going to be spinster and cat farms.

You seem to be a bit bitter toward women...Specifically or in General? The fact is though. If a prostitute turns to the Lord, she is forgiven, dies and is reborn a new creature. Just like YOU...If the woman has kids, the kids are innocent of sin. The woman is not the woman who was promiscuous, she is a new creature...So my friend, Who are you to judge? Study Romans 2. and for your penance....Have a pizza.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Don't bother. You can't talk sense to people and it's kind of funny. You imagine with age, it will change but it don't. You have women pushing 70 preaching Bible verses cherry picked to her liking. A history of abortion, promiscuity, and divorce but you better man up.

I went to a junior high Christian school. the highest stat of pregnancy in the state. It cracks me up.

Are you saying that male preachers don't cherry pick scriptures? Really? Read some of the posts on this site. Tell me why we have differing denominations. Tell me why we have Christians hating on Christians. Cherry picking scriptures and judging one another wrongly. With no love, no discernment and no Holy Spirit guiding us, all we can do is cherry pick and try to tell God what He means when He speaks. This antiwoman stuff makes me want to puke.

 

[FullArmorofGod]

SO go ahead and MUZZLE your women if you please because of what YOU THINK the Bible teaches. Your loss.

I don't think a muzzle work on western women.

And that's why I welcome the future that is cat farms.

@FullArmorofGod I quickly looked at the history of your posts on TalkJesus. Almost all of them are about women, and most expressing negative attitudes to woman and dating.

It's clearly a significant issue for you. But you may need to take these attitudes before God in prayer.

That's not an argument.

Screaming misogyny or some rhetoric on being a victim isn't useful. Nor is who hurt you or a variety of other crap.

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, about 50 percent of marriages in the United States end in divorce, and about 80 percent of the divorces are initiated by women. That 50 percent is often quoted and it is probably on the high side, but it is illuminating that 80 percent of the divorces are filed by the wife.

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Believing in Christ and God doesn't mean simp or cuck. It doesn't mean waiting till she's thirty and done getting plowed by the men who want marry her.

There's a thread here about a man's wife cheating and the advice is to be a cuckold.

Calling out bad behaviour is met with nonsense. Facts over feeling.


If you are making up whatever nonsense about ministry and riding the carousel, this is not Christianity. It's blasphemy but again with the cherry picking.

I attend church. It's full of young men. Very few to no girls. Where are they? What are they doing? With who?


This is the caliber of what wants to preach about God. Talk. Not live it. It's why so many men are fleeing the church.

Being Christian doesn't mean signing up for playboys booty call nor raising a child from Tyrone or Chad. It's not being lectured by the church to man up and be a good little beta.


Marriage is DEAD. Western women KILLED IT. It's over. Instead we got cat farms and a generation of spinsters.

Instead of preaching blasphemy, practice being a good obedient woman and wife. This is a more noble cause than blasphemy.

 

[FullArmorofGod]

You seem to be a bit bitter toward women...Specifically or in General? The fact is though. If a prostitute turns to the Lord, she is forgiven, dies and is reborn a new creature. Just like YOU...If the woman has kids, the kids are innocent of sin. The woman is not the woman who was promiscuous, she is a new creature...So my friend, Who are you to judge? Study Romans 2. and for your penance....Have a pizza.

I didn't say anything about forgiveness. Just girls don't stop turning 18. Conveniently the born again part kicks in after the carousel and running through men.

I never said anything about prostitution but since we are on the topic, the modern woman today is on that level of filth by any metric imaginable. The idea of such a person preaching is comical at best.

Welcome to clown world.

 

[FullArmorofGod]

Are you saying that male preachers don't cherry pick scriptures? Really? Read some of the posts on this site. Tell me why we have differing denominations. Tell me why we have Christians hating on Christians. Cherry picking scriptures and judging one another wrongly. With no love, no discernment and no Holy Spirit guiding us, all we can do is cherry pick and try to tell God what He means when He speaks. This antiwoman stuff makes me want to puke.

There's no anti woman. Farthest from the truth. The culture is anti male. It's false accusations like Amber Herd. It's the abysmal aftermath of a divorce more than 2/3 iniated by women.

It's this born again you must forgive me manipulation and I can carry the burden of poor lifestyle choices.

Women are going nuts and men are expected to clean up the mess. Mothers day is girl power. Fathers day is man up and be better.

If this crap continues there's going to be tumble weed in place of the men and more cat farms.



Read the garbage advice the man being cucked is getting? Believing in Christ doesn't mean supporting your wife and her bull. It's garbage. It's trash.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

There's no anti woman. Farthest from the truth. The culture is anti male. It's false accusations like Amber Herd. It's the abysmal aftermath of a divorce more than 2/3 iniated by women.

It's this born again you must forgive me manipulation and I can carry the burden of poor lifestyle choices.

Women are going nuts and men are expected to clean up the mess. Mothers day is girl power. Fathers day is man up and be better.

If this crap continues there's going to be tumble weed in place of the men and more cat farms.



Read the garbage advice the man being cucked is getting? Believing in Christ doesn't mean supporting your wife and her bull. It's garbage. It's trash.

Let me ask you one thing. Do you know Jesus as your Savior and Lord? You seem to be living in the wrong world.

 

[Godsangel]

Let me ask you one thing. Do you know Jesus as your Savior and Lord? You seem to be living in the wrong world.

He was talking me on other post about women. I think he is against women.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

He was talking me on other post about women. I think he is against women.

I agree...I think he's a sad one.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Don't bother. You can't talk sense to people and it's kind of funny. You imagine with age, it will change but it don't. You have women pushing 70 preaching Bible verses cherry picked to her liking. A history of abortion, promiscuity, and divorce but you better man up.

I went to a junior high Christian school. the highest stat of pregnancy in the state. It cracks me up.

AND, of course, you have Women called into the Ministry, and Preaching/TEACHING the unadulterated Word of God in power and Truth to their congregations as Senior Pastors in their Churches.

 

[Sue D.]

I"ve gotten into this conversation Way late in the day. It's already midnight so probably no one will be reading it. But -- @FullArmoroGod -- I can't imagine any woman Wanting to marry you and if one every Does --there will probably Be a divorce.

You've had this conversation with several people. And you've gotten the same response.

So Why the very negative attitude towards women? or do you simply like to get people's reactions to your comments?!

 

[FullArmorofGod]

Let me ask you one thing. Do you know Jesus as your Savior and Lord? You seem to be living in the wrong world.

Have you not stepped outside and looked at what's going on? Believing in Christ does not mean cuck or anything like. The world is wrong. The church has been hijacked. It is a means of roping in some dumb Christian male has atm beta male.

Imagine if instead of the focus of female preaching blasphemy but on being a good woman, virtuous wife, and mother.

There's far too much expectation of men bend the knee and simp to some woman at thirty just off the carousel with some other man's crotch fruit. No. No.

The MAN is the head of the household. I don't care what trash is provided by society nor the culture. I don't care about society promoting promiscuity and ******* children. I am not going to be fixing the mess people make.

Women have free will to preach blasphemy and live promiscuous. Majority are. The future is spinster and cat farms.

I highly recommend people read the Bible and not practice blasphemy but whatever.

 

[FullArmorofGod]

He was talking me on other post about women. I think he is against women.

No. Women can do better. I feel like puking every time I hear about proud single mom. Just found Jesus after a lifetime as a escort or porn.

I don't like the 80% of divorce initiated by women. I don't like churches promoting cuckoldry. Men are avoiding church and marriage like that plague. Netflix and chill while young and after marriage is for some sucker to clean up the mess of bad debt, student loan in women's studies, and a bad attitude.

Not shocking nobody points out the disgusting amount of divorces by women and of course leaving with cash and prizes.

 

[FullArmorofGod]

I"ve gotten into this conversation Way late in the day. It's already midnight so probably no one will be reading it. But -- @FullArmoroGod -- I can't imagine any woman Wanting to marry you and if one every Does --there will probably Be a divorce.

A divorce. Lmfao... Because women don't ever file. Just so virtuous and waiting for marriage.

You've had this conversation with several people. And you've gotten the same response.

So Why the very negative attitude towards women? or do you simply like to get people's reactions to your comments?!

You made my point.

divorce. You said it. I am laughing at it.

News flash. Young girls today are EMPOWERED. Netflix and chill is empowering lolol and they don't want to get married. Why marry one man when you can ride the carousel and rope in some simp Christian male under the disguise as found Jesus.

What are great time to be a bachelor.