As a non-denominational follower of Jesus I rely on the Bible to resolve doctrinal differences. Does the Catholic Church also rely on the Bible or does it rely on other sources?
So tired of all the ignorant bashing of Catholics
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As a non-denominational follower of Jesus I rely on the Bible to resolve doctrinal differences. Does the Catholic Church also rely on the Bible or does it rely on other sources?
One might be the doctrine that Mary was always a virgin.
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I would ask did you search for the unseen gospel understanding in the Bible?(sola scriptura)
Great men moved by the great powerful faith of Christ labor of love working in them?
Blasphemy, attributing the unseen eternal things of Christ (faith) to Peter our brother the serial denier in the lord.
He was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man, Jesus that is when he rebuked the unseen lord and forbid jesus from doing the will of the invisible Holy Father, Holy See, Christ our victor .
A study of Mathew 16 can be beneficial it is the key that unlock and opens the gates of hell
Mathew 16: 22-23Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Why chose Peter our brother in the Lord and Not jesus the Son of man ?
Was he better than the Son of man, Jesus? Did he the serial denier Peter (a warning to us) run away denying Christ with the three girls or the women by the fire (I know him not) or when in jealosy of John went to town speasing lides as a false gospel Vhrsit reveled if every time he had to dimiss the ies of the oral tradtions of the father .EWe wuld ned a biger planet to hold the vulumes apon vilume that could of been written You would thin one warning woul be enough for thos that trsut what they call sacred tradtion
Can the Pope rebuke God?
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100% Scripture. Only two ex-cathedra beliefs on Mary's immaculate conception and ascension are 'added' to scripture. But this addition is clearly stated and taught as such.
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It's a non-issue for me. What is a material error / evil in believing God kept Mary, the birth mother of 'God of the universe', holy?
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Please see my post # 2 here PROBLEMS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
I don't see anything specifically wrong with appointing the line of Peter to the position Jesus Himself created.
Maybe only if God does not answer my new year's wishes!!
What did you mean by "material issues" in your post #120?
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She wasn't. She was when God made her pregnant with Jesus but after that "Jesus had other brothers and sisters" and after Him.
"Of the brothers of Jesus, there seem to have been four who are named in Matthew 13:55: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (see Mark 6:3). Matthew and Mark mention Jesus' sisters, but neither the number nor the names are given. From the language of the Nazarenes (Matthew 13:56, "His sisters, are they not all with us?"), there must have been at least two, probably more, and apparently married, and resident at Nazareth."
Did Jesus Have Siblings? Who Were His Brothers and Sisters?
Was Jesus the only child of Joseph and Mary or did he have brothers and sisters? How many siblings did Jesus have? Let's look at where the Bible mentions them.
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A material issue would be an issue that is not a Rom 14:5 type disagreement. Something very important to not get wrong.
Examples would be 1. the trinity, 2. the resurrection of Jesus, 3. the impartiality of God / Him willing all to be saved, 4. any belief that incriminates Him as evil, etc.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I don't recognize such things as authoritative just like I don't believe the Quran's account of Gabriel and Mohammed. I stick to the original scriptures as the Apostle Paul instructed. In fact, Paul said those that preach a different gospel must be "accursed". I'll pass on Catholicism. Thanks for your response.
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As a basis for Ecclesiastical Authority, the Catholic church (whether Roman or Orthodox) relies upon the Church Fathers, the living ones more so than the dead ones (even the ones who wrote their scripture) to provide authoritative teaching that cannot be rejected.
From their perspective, one may read one's Bible, but only the Priest is (or ought to be) trained and educated enough to explain to you what it means. Otherwise, there could be eight Billion different interpretations of scripture - one for each person on the planet.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks. I have heard that said. Of course, no where in the Bible does it say such a thing but that's the beauty of the Catholic Church, no scriptures are needed to adopt new doctrines.
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I am not trying to convert you. We must just properly judge another's beliefs. That is the point of this thread.
I personally don't mind the two additions. They have been open and transparent about it, and it is not teaching that pushes one's pride. I can list many beliefs that certain charismatic Protestant groups hold to that are not in scripture and that they are not open and transparent about.
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Rhema, of all the people here I would think you understand this best. The original intention was well meaning. Let people who have properly studied the original language, properly studied scripture, be permitted to teach it. Much like you should not really get lessons on math from someone who failed it.
The only issue we should have with this is the fact that the Holy Spirit, God Himself, is our teacher and can work with anyone reading scripture.
The other motivation was to avoid false teaching. Teachers purposely selecting and only teaching half-truths. As we have so many of today.
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Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
(Hebrews 13:17 KJV)Who has rule over you?
And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
(2 Timothy 2:24-25 NKJV)Why be able to teach (having studied like priest so) if there is no function in the body of believers for teaching? And would you truly want an uneducated teacher? (Of course not.
)My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
(James 3:1 NKJV)Who teaches you? Are there not to be teachers in the body?
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
(Ephesians 4:11 NKJV)So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
(John 21:15-17 KJV)Just curious what you understand that command to be. Like... literal food? (Of course not.
)I think that I've given sufficient examples to overcome your objection that "Of course, no where in the Bible does it say such a thing.."
You now see that it does say "such a thing."
Blessings,
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Have you heard an actual voice then?
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Relevance? Please re-read.
That one requires a priest to explain what the scriptures mean? Nope. Not there.
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This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);
(1 Timothy 3:1-5 NKJV)One wonders what you think a Bishop is...
With all due respect, I'm not sure you have an adequate grasp of Christian history.
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No need. You dodge the valid question so that you so don't have to admit that you don't. (I DO know what you are....)
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