So, where do you stand on the question, about how old is the earth.

[PloughBoy]

Not sure how to reconcile these two statements. You are coming across like a troll.

I have no idea what you are talking about. My two statements are clear and in the english language, and I do believe in proper 'English syntax". That even a child can understand. Could it be, you may have a problem with "biblical Terminology", and "etymology" that is not due to your fault, but this was place upon your shoulder by those who lead you. For it do seems in this day and age, there is a "pandemic" of the absentee of theological sound thought patterns. And for who knows, whether or not Our GOD sent, "Covid-19" for such a time as this" To Quarantine, "Both" sides of the fence. And separate us from those whose earnest desirer is to deeply infect many and hide the cure of a more deadly of all diseases: "Eternal Death". And by doing so, He have place the "Lambs" blood on the "Door Post".
And have Told all of his "sons and daughters" "come out from among them and be ye separate, says the LORD. And I will receive you, [to go into there own homes and shut door!!]

We do not need a interpreter or one to explain this truth in any fashion! We are the ones, who have the eyes to see and the ears to hear. We have been wash in the Blood and " Born of GOD"! "A brand New Creature"! not in words of mind, But A NEW Creature! Solid and whole, SEALED! It is not what we do, It Is, What We are! And the whole world , have no idea who we are! They have do idea that we are a "different creature" than what they are, and being constantly press day by day by another mold, that is unexplainable by humanity with the words of a human mind. By trying to communicate of our existence and purpose in this world, we use and try to speak in "Anthropomorphic" words to express ourselves. And what we are now is not what we shall be. Now if what we are now is unspeakable , can you imagine what we shall be when He appears! And if the appearance of us now darkens men eyes, can you also view into the great darkness that will cover them with the "Brightness of our true Appearance" will cast them into total darkness! Pure Light will Blind.

"Our GOD is A Consuming FIRE" and HIS Wrath wax Hot, there is no greater "Agape"!

I have been label by others words too, and i considered being label a "troll" is a more kinder word than what i have been called. For proclaiming the very thing i been proclaiming in "Jesus Christ" for over 44 years, and have not gotten off course, but maybe i have stumble , by those who have put stumbling blocks in my pathway, for me to walk and stumble into their errores ways as if theirs biblical insight was "The Way" of light. But in His Mercy, and the grace that He extended to me for His own purpose, I feel assured I am on course, in mind and spirit and contentment and trusting in Him to complete what He has started in me and will accomplish it to the end.

 

[PloughBoy]

Thanks Hekuran.

In his defense, I did say ''the bible is flying over his head''.

Bible have wings now? What copyright year and version is that one, Is it a "translation flight" or does it use a paraphrase flight patterns.? Does it use real "Pilots" or computer programs. Or is it flown by Drone technology? I am trying to keep up. I know I am old schooled.

And in my defense too, If i happens to catch a flight, will I need a "Parachute" and a oxygen cylinder"! just in case i have to bale out at high altitudes?

 

[Downunder]

Deuteronomy 33:14 with the choicest fruits of the sun and the rich yield of the months,
15 with the finest produce of the ancient mountains and the abundance of the everlasting hills,

Isaiah 46:9 remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’

 

[KingJ]

Deuteronomy 33:14 with the choicest fruits of the sun and the rich yield of the months,
15 with the finest produce of the ancient mountains and the abundance of the everlasting hills,

Isaiah 46:9 remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’

''from ancient times things not yet done''. Very interesting.

 

[Downunder]

''from ancient times things not yet done''. Very interesting.

I have never understood the weird and bizarre doctrine insisting that Jesus created everything in six 24 hour days, including the fossils, etc.
Why? It real is as goofy as the flat Earth believers who make it a salvation issue.

 

[Hekuran]

I have never understood the weird and bizarre doctrine insisting that Jesus created everything in six 24 hour days, including the fossils, etc.
Why? It real is as goofy as the flat Earth believers who make it a salvation issue.

Belief in a six-day young earth creation has become an identifier for fundamentalist Christianity.

Interesting, if you care to follow it up, that the original essays "fundamentals" that gave the name to Fundamentalism do not insist on a literal six-day creation. See James Orr's essay on the first chapters of Genesis The Early Narratives of Genesis by R. A. Torrey

 

[Downunder]

Belief in a six-day young earth creation has become an identifier for fundamentalist Christianity.

Interesting, if you care to follow it up, that the original essays "fundamentals" that gave the name to Fundamentalism do not insist on a literal six-day creation. See James Orr's essay on the first chapters of Genesis The Early Narratives of Genesis by R. A. Torrey

Thankyou. I read the attached article on Genesis and Creation - an enjoyable read.

 

[Downunder]

aficionados of Young Earth Creation would have us to believe that the Flinders Ranges of South Australia are only some 6,000 years old
created by God as they appear today ... again I ask why?

 

[PloughBoy]

Is this becoming a world's view of a evaluation, concerning ones stand on the question about how old is the earth? Are the conversations now being dominated by "Nominal christians"! with a worlds understanding?

So in furthering the Question, may I go on to remind some concerning the "Letter" Apostle Paul wrote to the "congregation that was in "Galatia" {The original inhabitants were 'Phrygians', with a religion of Nature worship, many Jews lived in these cities.

(Galatians).
" Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

"about how old is the earth"..........................now do you seek the answer from man, to be made perfect by the flesh, in your knowledge pertaining to the things of GOD?

 

[Downunder]

"about how old is the earth"..........................now do you seek the answer from man, to be made perfect by the flesh, in your knowledge pertaining to the things of GOD?

God does not teach in scripture that the Earth is 6,000+ years old. There is no doctrinal reason for the Earth to be 6,000 years old.
Young Earth Creation is just a reading into scripture what people want to believe.
And an ancient Earth has nothing to do with evolution nor human science.
It is observable by the human eye. See photo above.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

Deuteronomy 33:15 with the finest produce of the ancient mountains and the abundance of the everlasting hills,

 

[Downunder]

It takes a lot more than 6,000 years to generate this landscape by the forces of erosion

 

[PloughBoy]

It takes a lot more than 6,000 years to generate this landscape by the forces of erosion

I think, depends on who made it. It might take man more than 6000 years, But God is another thing. I do believe, with the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" I do believe He can do it, in faster than the "Twinkling of a Eye", then place it into "Time". And at the same time, give it a voice that it speaks back to Him, and Glorify His name, in all the Languages of the Cosmos!

GOD is not A Human! Neither does He have a mouth! But When He speaks, and however, He does that! It appears just how He want it to appear. In time, out of time, then place into time. Or speak things into the rim invisibility or the other side of the "universe". Or to raise one up from the chambers of death, after a body has been rotten in grave for 3 days and nights.

For me, now if the Bible says, He created the "Cosmos" and everything in it in 6 days, the Trillions and Billions of "Galaxies" and "Sola Systems" and How He put the "Holy Spirit" in me and it resides in me. And here I am sitting at home and the earth is spinning over 1,400 MPH. and The Sun looks like it standing still.

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it produce and sprout,
And providing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
So will My word be which goes out of My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,

I fully understands, how can a finite being like me, can comprehend that which is Incomprehensible for me, to know about a "infinite" being. But can only see and believe that which He has declared to me, what HE has created and by what means. I cannot make the Sun come up and and go down, neither can I control the rain that falls from the sky and the wind that blows across my face. And He has declared in writing all these things are spoken into existence. that do exists.

PS. and I am a big enough fool to "believe it"!

American Standard Version(1Cor. 3:18).
"Let no man deceive himself. If any man thinketh that he is wise among you in this world, let him become a fool, that he may become wise."
American Standard Version
"And Jesus looking upon them'said to them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

 

[PloughBoy]

New American Standard Bible
Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God?

 

[Downunder]

and everything in it in 6 days,

But Genesis does not claim that God made all in six earthly days.
The Sun and Moon to measure Earthly days were not created until "day" four (4) - so the first three days were obviously periods of time.
I do not have a problem with Creation. I know that God created all things.
The problem is peoples having a doctrine and then reading that back into scripture.
Genesis 1 does not declare that God made the heavens and the Earth in six 24 hour days.

 

[PloughBoy]

Since "The Adversary" is the ruler of this world, science is also his kingdom. Remember he is also a Angel, very knowledgeable and intelligdent and knows more about "Jesus, The Father the Holy Ghost" and all Creation than any other created being that has walked upon the earth. And His creator is The Almighty God, who also gave him the power to be "The Perfect Deceiver" which could also be his perfect name.
So it would be his proper abode to speak into the mind of mankind. That the universe was not created in according to the "Oringinal Copied Manuscript" in the true words of GOD that is "Divinely Inspired" by GOD. In order to divert such magnitude of "dynamite" from "The ALMIGHTY GOD", In order to declare that there is nothing that can create or have such "power" to create a universe so mass in that is beyond comprehending, in the span of 6 days out of nothing.

That the reason maybe, it is imposible for GOD to do such a thing in 6 days when each day consists of 24 hours. Since it is impossible for GOD the creator to do such a thing, thereford He is not GOD. He is not "SOvereign"! And there are somethings He cannot do! So the devil has declared that the "Holy Scriptures" are in error! And GOD Is not "Omnipotent"!

But I "PloughBoy", am here believing and declaring in this universe, in this time span, and believing it shall be recorded and mark down in the halls of eternity about my declaration concerning my believeth in this matter!
"Not only the "Holy Scriptures" are true concerning creation as it is written, and plainly understood that a mere ploughboy can understand the text. But not only can GOD the Father Create the Universe and every thing in it in 6 days a number of 24 hours in each day as a little child understands his "Mickey Mouse" hour hand on his watch.

But I believe the GOD i know, according to "Holy Scripture" and HIS Words He has Spoken Concerning HIMSELF, He could have Created the whole Universe and eveything that exists in it. All the stars, Galaxies and Sola Systems, Time and space. In in "one moment" of time as we know "The moment" of time that exists.

Yes He could have, if He wanted it to be. But He has a "divine plan" according to HIS will, that cannot be comprehended by a "finite" mine!

Jesus told Nicodenus: "If I told you earthly things and you didnt't believe, how will you believe if i tell you heavenly things?"

If GOD wanted to Create the universe and all that is in it in "one moment of time" He could of, if He chose to do so. And in that same moment still had time left to create another one.

I just thought about my Grandfather: He would have said: "now put that in your pipe and smoke it"!

PS. IPosted this on the wrong thread. Sorry.

 

[Sue D.]

@Downunder -- I'm reading from Genesis 1:5 -- "So the evening and the morning were the first day." vs 8 "So the evening and the morning were the second day", etc, etc. Chapter 2 :2 "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done."

That sounds very specific.

The next creative act was that of man and then woman.

In other words God prepared this world for the 1st man and then woman who came From man to live in. They were created with the ability to have children and populate the world.

Then I would ask -- Where did our 24-hr day come from? According to Genesis -- it's been created that way.

Going back to your post #30 -- you're saying that That implies an old earth compared to 6,000 yrs. -- sounds like you're agreeing with theistic evolution / a really old earth.

The passages you included -- Deuteronomy 33 -- Moses' final blessings to the Children of Israel.

It's kind of like an old farmer talking about 'this old hat of mine" I'll give to my grandson. It's not an ancient hat he's referring to. It's a well-worn hat that he loved and wanted his grandson to have it.

 

[Downunder]

sounds like you're agreeing with theistic evolution / a really old earth.

A creation of Earth older than 6,000+ years has nothing to do with evolution, theistic or otherwise.
Scripture does not claim that God made the Earth in six 24 hour days.
Especially when periods of time are expressed three times beforehand prior to the creation of the Sun and the Moon and the stars to give us planetary and seasonal time. (the fourth day)
As for
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.
Gen 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
why cannot God rest thousands upon thousands of years to watch and admire the unfolding of his creation - he has plenty of time to do so
verse 3 is a precursor to what would come later in the law and be applied as the Sabbath for the children of Israel.

 

[Sue D.]

@Downunder -- take time to read those previous verses in Genesis 1:1 - 31.

You Seem to be ignoring the passages that I just shared.

An evening and the next morning = a 24-hr period of time. An 'evening' indicating that a day has just finished. And 'the morning' tells us that another day has started.

Scripture is God's Word and is Fact rather than a hit- or- miss 'claim'.

You're asking 'why cannot God rest thousands and thousands of years to watch the unfolding of His creation." Simply because Scripture doesn't say that That happened.

God put first Adam and then Eve in the world He created for them.

A world Older than 6,000 yrs. would be allowing For the 'day-age' theory.

And besides -- look at Exodus 20: 8 - 11. esp 11 " For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all this is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it'.
A Sabbath day is a 24-hr period of time.

 

[B-A-C]

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2; The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

We aren't given a timeline for when verses 1 and 2 happened. It is possible it was millions or billions of years?

Gen 1:3; Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
Gen 1:4; God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5; God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Gen 1:6; Then God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."
Gen 1:7; God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.
Gen 1:8; God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

One thing about the "gap theory"... it would still mean man is less than 6400 years old.

 

[Downunder]

Simply because Scripture doesn't say that That happened.

Scripture according to your understanding. Genesis 1 does not declare six lots of 24 hour days. It is written in a specific poetical form and the later reference in Exodus 20:11 is the same Hebrew word yôm is used as in Genesis 1:5
The Hebrew meaning covers > 1) day, time, year, period 2) day (as opposed to night) 3) 24 hour period as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
4) as a division of time 5) a working day, a day’s journey 6) days, lifetimes (plural) 7) time period (general) 8) year
Thus in the Ten Commandments God may well be referring to how he told Moses to write down Genesis 1.