So, where do you stand on the question, about how old is the earth.

[Sue D.]

@ Downunder -- 'according to My understanding' -- it's what I'm reading in the English language -- it Almost sounds like you're trying to take away From God's ability to create everything just as His Word says He Did it.

Genesis 1:3 "Then God said, "Let there be light; and there was light. vs 4 And God saw the light, that it was good, and God divided the light from the darkness, vs 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called NIght, So the evening and the morning were the 1st day."

Again -- pretty straight forward -- Facts.

God told Moses what to write in each of the books that he wrote. As well as every other verse - chapter - book in the entire Bible that were written by the various men who wrote them.

According to your concept -- how long was Jonah Really in the belly of the great fish? 3 days and 3 nights -- so will the Son of Man be in the earth.

In other words "so the evening and the morning were the 1st day" being repeated for each day of creation -- extended to the book of Exodus -- 10 Commandments -- is consistent with referring to a 'day' as we know a 'day' to be Now.

 

[Sue D.]

@B-A-C -- re: the Gap theory -- supposedly existing between Genesis 1;1 and 1:2 -- definitely Would give time for a Much older earth which would be enabling theistic evolution. Apparently some versions have a 'then' between the verses which would suggest that something happened between those verses. The NKJV does not include 'then'.

It occurred to me that God knew that evolution -- man-made theory -- would come into existence / His omniscience /-- God wanted mankind to know that He did / in fact, create everything/ exactly how He Did create this world. Exactly how long He took to create / bring into existence/ everything we Do have. And what He did on each of those creation days.

God was powerful enough to do That -- and to bring the dead back to life -- to enable a young virgin woman to conceive Jesus Christ. And He is Still powerful enough to ..........

 

[Bob Carabbio]

How Old Is the Earth?

Where’s the supposed evidence that the earth is 4.54 billion years old? It’s not on earth at all!

answersingenesis.org

Not known with any precision. I'm in the OEC camp on that one, and ascribe to the so called "Gap Theory" (an unknown expanse of time between Gen 1:1, and Gen 1:2).

COULD GOD have whomped up the whole thing in 144 hours??? Sure!!! DID HE?? I doubt it.

 

[Sue D.]

@Bob Carabbio -- and Why do you doubt it? How about God's omnipotence ( all - powerful).

And how about His resurrecting people from the dead? Did He Really do That? And all the miracles in the New Testament. And the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ?

 

[PloughBoy]

Not known with any precision. I'm in the OEC camp on that one, and ascribe to the so called "Gap Theory" (an unknown expanse of time between Gen 1:1, and Gen 1:2).

COULD GOD have whomped up the whole thing in 144 hours??? Sure!!! DID HE?? I doubt it.

Bob, you are in your full right to doubt. The bible is written for those who "believe" and those who will believe later, but are in doubt now. You are not the 1st. To doubt neither will you be the last to doubt certain things recorded in the Bible. A lot of christians do not believe "Jesus" rose from the grave. But they do believe he was here and that he is coming back to set up His Kingdom on earth.

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- what is your definition of a Christian -- because a Christian Will believe that Jesus Christ rose from the grave. Or you're differentiating between a Christian and a born again believer. A Christian Should be a born again believer. To be 'saved' - a person Needs to believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross and was buried and rose again on the 3rd day. As per 1 Corinthians 15. Because That proved that He was indeed the Son of God rather than just another religious teacher of that time.

 

[PloughBoy]

To me in over forty four years since i was "born from above" meaning "born of God" of His Spirit. And not of a man or women. I became a child of GOD! And for over 60 years i have know a lot of christians, How do i know they are christians, because they told me they are christians. Ok, i do not perceive them to be liars. And when we talk to one another since 1977, when i became a "child of GOD" i found out i was different! They became a stranger to me and i became a stranger to most of them. And As the years went on, i did not want to be classified in that group. A house divide by itself cannot stand. But has been know as a person that knows and loves the "Word of GOD"!

Throughout the years, people and children have said: that they have never met a "christian" like me, I would reply i am not a christian, that is why. .Strangers, men women and children has said to me that they have never heard a preacher like me before. They have never heard the word of God spoken like that, you make it become real and i can see it. I do not make it real, because the word of God is living and living in me, it makes me come alive.

A few weeks ago my 11 year old grandson said to me: "Granddaddy I can see it when you speak". And some times a have him and his little friends sit down. I will give each one a bible and we read a text. And then i talk about GOD! And they gets so quiet you can here a mouse "p" on cotton. They become so spelll bounded you have to tell them to breath. Lol.

I talk about God to them, not how they should act in the world! They have not been converted yet. As events araises i speak concerning their circumstances and reply as the "Holy spirit" gives me guidance in such matters" of the flesh.

I am not a young pup on the block, i have walk with God for over 44 years. And before that, maybe over 25 years i thought i walked with Him but He was with me then, when i did not know Him and thought i did.

Now Sue, you know by now, I always overkill when question are directed to me.

Christians have to many definitions to what it means to be one. And all seems to right in their own concepts. And who can prove them wrong. Not i, some have said: "whatsoever a man thinketh in his heart so is he"! So for those who always quote in such a way. If a person believes they are a christian so is he.

 

[twcstp111]

Hmmmm.

I don't think that the earth has an age.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Bob, you are in your full right to doubt. The bible is written for those who "believe" and those who will believe later, but are in doubt now. You are not the 1st. To doubt neither will you be the last to doubt certain things recorded in the Bible. A lot of christians do not believe "Jesus" rose from the grave. But they do believe he was here and that he is coming back to set up His Kingdom on earth.

Except that I DON'T DOUBT what the Bible says.

I DOUBT YOUR PERSONAL / DENOMINATIONAL INTERPRETATION of what the Bible says. The "Gap Theory" does no violence to what the Bible states. That it disagrees with YOUR INTERPRETATION is totally unimportant.

SImple as that.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

@Bob Carabbio -- and Why do you doubt it? How about God's omnipotence ( all - powerful).

Read what I said. HE Could have done it all in 144 hours, but there's evidence that He didn't, and it's Biblically clear that stuff was going on BEFORE the "Adamic Creation".

And how about His resurrecting people from the dead? Did He Really do That? And all the miracles in the New Testament. And the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Yup - He did all that - STILL resurrects people from the dead, and does MIRACLES in 2021. The Bodily ressurection (with a modified body that could do interesting stuff that Jesus' Pre-Mortem Body couldn't) is obviously a fact, since there'd be NO CHURCH if it wasn't, and we'd all be hell bound.

 

[Downunder]

According to your concept -- how long was Jonah Really in the belly of the great fish? 3 days and 3 nights -- so will the Son of Man be in the earth

Settle down there sister @Sue D. - just because I do not read that Jesus created the heavens and the Earth and all life in a six day week does not mean that I am a reprobate and have fallen away.
Next you will be preaching that the Earth is flat and has four corners from where the winds blows.
Anyway how do you measure a day of 24 hours when there is no sun for the planet to rotate against to measure a day?

 

[Downunder]

Over to you two forum friends @PloughBoy and @Sue D. what do ye make of the first day of Genesis?
Remember there is no Sun nor Moon and apparently no stars (but in the Hebrew that could also mean planets) so no daytime nor night-time and no seasons as yet.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

What was this light before God made [not created] the Sun, etc? And what was this darkness?
The light is good but not the darkness.
A penny for your thoughts.

 

[twcstp111]

 

[PloughBoy]

Except that I DON'T DOUBT what the Bible says.

I DOUBT YOUR PERSONAL / DENOMINATIONAL INTERPRETATION of what the Bible says. The "Gap Theory" does no violence to what the Bible states. That it disagrees with YOUR INTERPRETATION is totally unimportant.

SImple as that.

How did you come to that conclusion! I will say it was not personal, i will say it is not Denominational interpretation, But by "Historical grammatical" Hermeneutics, and if you are familiar with the whole book as a whole, you would agree My Exegesis is in rare form even if you do not agree. For i am not in flavor of any kind of esisgesis form.
And if one proclaims that they are a student of the "holy Scripture" and that they are familiar with the whole and know it as a whole book. But are not telling the Truth. This is called "deception" and a proclaimer of lies. In order to deceive someone else into believing lies, of ones character. Now this deception does not harm the True child of GOD that is the object of this deception but it is the perpetrator who is harming themselves Who has launch out this deception. To do "theological harm" to harm them who are seeking "The Truth"! And every act will be judge either at the "Bema Seat" or "The Great White Throne". Be not deceive "GOD is not mock whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap"

If you soweth deception you will reap deception! Those are the words of The Almighty GOD! And He is not handing out "Antinomianism" like *** drops. And He hands out grace in measures as He wills, even though Grace is a gift and not earn, but it is handed out in measures as He sees fit.
(Ephesians 4:7)
"But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift"
(Ephesians 4:25)
"Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one another. Be angry yet do not sin, do not let the Sun go set upon your anger"

 

[Bob Carabbio]

How did you come to that conclusion! I will say it was not personal, i will say it is not Denominational interpretation, But by "Historical grammatical" Hermeneutics, and if you are familiar with the whole book as a whole, you would agree My Exegesis is in rare form even if you do not agree. For i am not in flavor of any kind of esisgesis form.
And if one proclaims that they are a student of the "holy Scripture" and that they are familiar with the whole and know it as a whole book. But are not telling the Truth. This is called "deception" and a proclaimer of lies. In order to deceive someone else into believing lies, of ones character. Now this deception does not harm the True child of GOD that is the object of this deception but it is the perpetrator who is harming themselves Who has launch out this deception. To do "theological harm" to harm them who are seeking "The Truth"! And every act will be judge either at the "Bema Seat" or "The Great White Throne". Be not deceive "GOD is not mock whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap"

If you soweth deception you will reap deception! Those are the words of The Almighty GOD! And He is not handing out "Antinomianism" like *** drops. And He hands out grace in measures as He wills, even though Grace is a gift and not earn, but it is handed out in measures as He sees fit.
(Ephesians 4:7)
"But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift"
(Ephesians 4:25)
"Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one another. Be angry yet do not sin, do not let the Sun go set upon your anger"

ANd always the THREATS that follow a difference of opinion. Bla, Bla, Bla.

 

[Sue D.]

Settle down there sister @Sue D. - just because I do not read that Jesus created the heavens and the Earth and all life in a six day week does not mean that I am a reprobate and have fallen away.
Next you will be preaching that the Earth is flat and has four corners from where the winds blows.
Anyway how do you measure a day of 24 hours when there is no sun for the planet to rotate against to measure a day?

It doesn't matter how you or I would measure a day of 24 hrs. with no sun , etc. It Does matter what God said happened in that 1st 24 hr period of time called the evening and morning were the 1st day.

I Could jokingly say that 'of Course the Earth is flat , etc. but I won't -- because it isn't flat. However, back in the days of Magelon / Queen of England? it Was assumed that it Was flat. It wasn't until he set out with his ship and crew to cross the ocean and came back home from a different direction, that he had proof positive that the world existed Beyond the horizon. At least I think those were the circumstances which it was realized that the earth was round and not flat. The authorities assumed his ship would fall off the planet and never be seen again.

And, yes, surprising as it is, there Is a 'flat earth society' existing.

Actually -- going back to vs 1 -- God creates the heavens and the earth. And then in vs 14 through 17 the sun and moon and stars it sounds like.

"We" measure a 24-hr day -back then - the same way as Now. Because that's how God Did create 'it'.

 

[Sue D.]

Over to you two forum friends @PloughBoy and @Sue D. what do ye make of the first day of Genesis?
Remember there is no Sun nor Moon and apparently no stars (but in the Hebrew that could also mean planets) so no daytime nor night-time and no seasons as yet.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

What was this light before God made [not created] the Sun, etc? And what was this darkness?
The light is good but not the darkness.
A penny for your thoughts.

I simply accept God's Word as truth.

Apparently God was the light before He created the light For us.

Sometimes it's hard to 'digest' the fact that God made all that He Did make simply for Us. He didn't Have to -- but we Are Here. To praise His name. Might sound a bit strange.

People have been wondering for a long time / where we came from and where this world / earth is going, etc. God's Word tells us all of that. But there are lots of people who'd Rather come up with their own theories -- one of which is evolution -- the evolving 'thing' from 'something' -- and most of it isn't possible. Back some years ago, I was on a forum where this subject came up and we had quite a discussion. I brought in Bible and they thought I was some new kind of 'crazy'. One of the guys had a degree in Genetics -- and I got a book on the subject. We ended up in private discussion for a while. AFter I while I got banned.

Probably won't get into a discussion with that other individual - PloughBoy.

God has given us all the information that He feels we need. That the process did Not take millions of years. God did what needed to be done in those 6 - 24-hr days of creation.

Seems that it will be 496 seconds before this can be posted.

 

[Sue D.]

Read what I said. HE Could have done it all in 144 hours, but there's evidence that He didn't, and it's Biblically clear that stuff was going on BEFORE the "Adamic Creation".



Yup - He did all that - STILL resurrects people from the dead, and does MIRACLES in 2021. The Bodily ressurection (with a modified body that could do interesting stuff that Jesus' Pre-Mortem Body couldn't) is obviously a fact, since there'd be NO CHURCH if it wasn't, and we'd all be hell bound.

Want to focus here for a moment. What are you referring to as Before the "Adamic Creation". Possibly from the Gnostic Gospels? Just remembering something from a Long time ago. Another race of people -- not alians. But -- maybe it's regarding those who lived in the area called Nod -- to the east of the Garden. And Then God Created Adam and Eve. Supposedly Adam had another wife , Lithia or something. Is that what you're talking about?

 

[PloughBoy]

Over to you two forum friends @PloughBoy and @Sue D. what do ye make of the first day of Genesis?
Remember there is no Sun nor Moon and apparently no stars (but in the Hebrew that could also mean planets) so no daytime nor night-time and no seasons as yet.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

What was this light before God made [not created] the Sun, etc? And what was this darkness?
The light is good but not the darkness.
A penny for your thoughts.

ok here it go's. i always saves the beat for last. But always have it intertwine within the posts of my Threads I start. And wait for most to sart thinking and give us the body your best thoughts.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." [ This is a general statement that is true] "in the beginning GOD made the "Cosmos"!

We who are the "true Children of GOD" are not to be drawn into the analyzation of Genesis 1 as the world is drawn into analyzation. But God has declared to us, His Character and a sense of HIS Power! We are called into this portion of The "Holy Scripture" to read it. As if one, reads a story, but this is the Truth! Showing His "Manifestation" that is beyond imagination. And there is more to come. For this is only the Beginning, the mold. of the "Glorifying" factor which is to be and to come. But many have said they Have read the "The Salvation Story". But there views points and the words that come out of their mouths betrays them. Now some of us have become "Barbarians" to them, and then you wonder with Anxiety "are we reading the same BOOK"! And you, re-read it again and again and again, Hours and hours of reading the story. And the more you read the Salvation Story the farther you become Separated, and the gulf grows between you and them in understanding and expression of "the Manifestation and the unveiling of Jesus Christ" And finally you must refuse the words that flows from the words of man, And engulf yourself into the depths of GOD's word, for only there, can you receive comfort and understanding. Then Out of No where GODs would have you encounter Like faith individuals. By all means and expectations. And you stand in Aw! Then still in amazement and puzzle. as if an Holy Spirit" illuminated your mind and no one is there. "the great cloud of witnesses" that has went on before us.

 

[Downunder]

I do not believe in evolution. I have never believed in evolution even as a child.
But that does not make me a Young Earth Creationist believer.

Proverbs chapter 8:
22 The Lord created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth, when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped, before the hills, I was brought forth;
26 before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep,
29 when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him, like a master workman; and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always,
31 rejoicing in his inhabited world and delighting in the sons of men.