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Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

There are no more churches as in the New Testament times. The churches were in people's homes. We don't have the apostles teaching the truth. We no longer have speaking in tongues, listening to people speak in tongues giving God's mysteries and having someone interpret, as we wait for letters to read and a visit from the apostles to know the teachings of the Lord.

Again, you speak out of sheer ignorance of the real world. There are "home churches" all across this country. There are apostles teaching the truth just as there are also teachers teaching the truth (not you, of course, but others). There are people who still speak in tongues, specifically their prayer languages. You are ignorant of many real world things...you don't attend a church...you think you are an island unto yourself...and you believe the lies that the demons are telling you as they disguise themselves as Jesus to you.

You are lost according to your own words and bias. I do hope you come to your senses before you leave this world.

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Sure we can. Missionaries in Africa and South America who have given their lives in order to preach the gospel to those who have not yet heard it, are martyrs. We don't need to Bible to tell us that John so-and-so is a martyr; all we need is the definition of the word martyr...which apparently escapes your bias.
Abel is in the Bible, and he is not called a martyr or a prophet as you called him. You can't say things about the Bible that aren't in the Bible.


I have never known a person who held the office of Prophet before, but to say that that's because they are no more in the church is as stupid as saying that since I have never seen satan, that he must have died after the apostolic era. Hence your common sense 'logic' fails again.
You will never see one either, because they no longer exist.
 
Apparently much more familiar with it than you are..."the beautiful of the English language"...

..well
Well, more power to you, and I wish you well
But I am just a mere “ploughBoy”.
As if I was traveling behind a “Mule”. And not like “Amos” ploughing behind that “OX”.

9For it is written,
“I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.”

20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22For indeed Jews ask for signs, and Greeks search for wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness,24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

I thank “GOD”He came to saved The Ignorant too!

King James Bible
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

“Hot diggity dog, I am carrying The Mail”!
 
Apparently you don't understand simple English grammar...

Ephesians 4:11-14
11 And God gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,
12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.

God gave to the church teachers - those who have been called by God into that specific church office of ministry, qualified, gifted, equipped, and anointed specifically to teach the truths of Scripture. You...a mere nothing of a person...saying that a person does not need to listen to a bonafide teacher called by God, is to demonstrate just how carnally minded you in fact are. According to your own words, we can say the very same thing about you that Jesus said about the pharisees...that you are wrong because you know neither the Scriptures nor God Himself.

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I'm trying to teach you.
 
Again, you speak out of sheer ignorance of the real world. There are "home churches" all across this country. There are apostles teaching the truth just as there are also teachers teaching the truth (not you, of course, but others). There are people who still speak in tongues, specifically their prayer languages. You are ignorant of many real world things...you don't attend a church...you think you are an island unto yourself...and you believe the lies that the demons are telling you as they disguise themselves as Jesus to you.

You are lost according to your own words and bias. I do hope you come to your senses before you leave this world.

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They all teach falseness.
 
I never ever agree with those I don't agree with. You think this thread has been fruitless, it is never ever fruitless for me to speak about God. It is always a blessing for me.
You tell me good day and be blessed, even though you say some of the worst things to me.
I say some of the "worst things" to you? That's interesting.

At least I have agreed with you on a few points that you made.
You have not acknowledged that anything anyone else posted in this thread is right or biblically sound.
So yes, it's a fruitless discussion for those who've taken part in it.
It's fruitless to speak of God's Word falsely.
It's fruitless to rebuke fellow believers for practicing something that is Biblical, and right, and necessary.
It's fruitless to call people liars based on their PERSONAL EXPERIENCES of which you have no knowledge or understanding.
It's fruitless because going back and forth with you yields no good fruit.
It's fruitless because you do not want interaction....you just want people to agree with you. You even posted that you are here to "teach" and to "show" others the error of their ways and beliefs.
It's fruitless because apparently you are convinced that there is absolutely nothing you can learn from anyone else here....only from Jesus Himself....because apparently He has audibly communicated all of this "truth" to you but to no one else for some reason.

You didn't come here to interact.
I believe you came here to bring dissension, to just rebuke, deny, call people liars without really addressing their questions, to apply the parts of God's Word that suit you, while ignoring the parts that don't.
Then you cry foul if anyone dares challenge what you are dishing out or if they dare interpret scripture differently than you.
You don't want people's prayers, blessings, or well-wishes and instead accuse them of praying with "evil intent" towards you.
And when you rebuke, you do it not from a position of love or concern, but from condescension.
You won't, or perhaps CAN'T have fruitful interaction because you refuse to accept that anyone else could have derived any truth from God's Word here other than you.
You have presumed that everyone else's church or denomination is teaching falsely and that we can only find truth the way in which you supposedly found it.
You've made claims that other posters "learned from false teachers and false prophets" when you know nothing of their pasts or beliefs other than what they've posted here.

Well sir, to put it bluntly. your method of finding "truth" goes against God's Word. We all need teachers and we all need pastors. We also need to be filled with the Holy Spirit. There's more to salvation than simply knowing WHAT the Bible says. Without faith, God's grace, and a real APPLICATION of the Word to our lives.....we can't enter into His Kingdom.
The church STILL needs those gifted with prophesy and those called to Apostleship. The lost STILL need to hear the anointed Word of evangelists.
Miraculous healings (even through the hands of a faithful disciple) STILL reveal Jesus and bring glory to Him. God still uses tongues in miraculous ways....prophetically, through prayer, and as a miraculous sign to unbelievers.

Some friendly and honest advice: If this is how you go about sharing "truth" or the Gospel message with others....you might want to reconsider your approach. You are more harsh than you apparently realize and your heart comes across as being very hardened (at least from my POV).
I'm exhausted. I will respond to no more of your posts. And since you don't want my prayers or blessings....good luck and hope you have a good day. :)
 
You can't call someone a prophet or a martyr if the Bible doesn't call them one.

The Bible does identify them as one . It defines the usage of a word or the whole/perfect many words . Change the meaning of one word (like apostle) it can change the commandments (plural )

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Above protecting the integrity of one word and at the end of the book of prophecy it protects the integrity of the whole or perfect just as in all cases two is the witness God has spoken .

Revelation 22:18-20 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
 
I say some of the "worst things" to you? That's interesting.

At least I have agreed with you on a few points that you made.
You have not acknowledged that anything anyone else posted in this thread is right or biblically sound.
So yes, it's a fruitless discussion for those who've taken part in it.
It's fruitless to speak of God's Word falsely.
It's fruitless to rebuke fellow believers for practicing something that is Biblical, and right, and necessary.
It's fruitless to call people liars based on their PERSONAL EXPERIENCES of which you have no knowledge or understanding.
It's fruitless because going back and forth with you yields no good fruit.
It's fruitless because you do not want interaction....you just want people to agree with you. You even posted that you are here to "teach" and to "show" others the error of their ways and beliefs.
It's fruitless because apparently you are convinced that there is absolutely nothing you can learn from anyone else here....only from Jesus Himself....because apparently He has audibly communicated all of this "truth" to you but to no one else for some reason.

You didn't come here to interact.
I believe you came here to bring dissension, to just rebuke, deny, call people liars without really addressing their questions, to apply the parts of God's Word that suit you, while ignoring the parts that don't.
Then you cry foul if anyone dares challenge what you are dishing out or if they dare interpret scripture differently than you.
You don't want people's prayers, blessings, or well-wishes and instead accuse them of praying with "evil intent" towards you.
And when you rebuke, you do it not from a position of love or concern, but from condescension.
You won't, or perhaps CAN'T have fruitful interaction because you refuse to accept that anyone else could have derived any truth from God's Word here other than you.
You have presumed that everyone else's church or denomination is teaching falsely and that we can only find truth the way in which you supposedly found it.
You've made claims that other posters "learned from false teachers and false prophets" when you know nothing of their pasts or beliefs other than what they've posted here.

Well sir, to put it bluntly. your method of finding "truth" goes against God's Word. We all need teachers and we all need pastors. We also need to be filled with the Holy Spirit. There's more to salvation than simply knowing WHAT the Bible says. Without faith, God's grace, and a real APPLICATION of the Word to our lives.....we can't enter into His Kingdom.
The church STILL needs those gifted with prophesy and those called to Apostleship. The lost STILL need to hear the anointed Word of evangelists.
Miraculous healings (even through the hands of a faithful disciple) STILL reveal Jesus and bring glory to Him. God still uses tongues in miraculous ways....prophetically, through prayer, and as a miraculous sign to unbelievers.

Some friendly and honest advice: If this is how you go about sharing "truth" or the Gospel message with others....you might want to reconsider your approach. You are more harsh than you apparently realize and your heart comes across as being very hardened (at least from my POV).
I'm exhausted. I will respond to no more of your posts. And since you don't want my prayers or blessings....good luck and hope you have a good day. :)
You must be blind for thinking you are an example of how to speak to people.
As for what I preach, if the truth offends you than that is the way it is.
 
The Bible does identify them as one . It defines the usage of a word or the whole/perfect many words . Change the meaning of one word (like apostle) it can change the commandments (plural )

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Above protecting the integrity of one word and at the end of the book of prophecy it protects the integrity of the whole or perfect just as in all cases two is the witness God has spoken .

Revelation 22:18-20 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Abel is not called a prophet or a martyr.
 
Abel is not called a prophet or a martyr.
Matthew 23:34 Therefore I [God] send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,
35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.
 
Matthew 23:34 Therefore I [God] send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,
35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.
The scripture says prophets AND WISE MEN AND SCRIBES, and it goes on to speak of the blood of RIGHTEOUS Abel.

That scripture and other scriptures speak of Abel being righteous, but does not call him a prophet or a martyr.

We have to be careful about God's word.
 
Abel is not called a prophet or a martyr.
Of course he is one "sent from God" giving meaning to the word "apostle ".

His unbelieving faithless brother Cain proved able was sent was . The Spirit of Christ warned Cain to do the right thing . sent Able to talk with him about doing the right thing (obey God) Abel's blood like the the blood of all saints cries out in a living hope of being clothed with the incorruptible body that will never die or grow old .

It exposed the Pagan foundation or Atheism . .. Fools no God working in their hearts .Out of sight buried him under the corn . . .out of mind .

Cain knew where Abel was .That proves he did not believe in a God not seen. . . Cain relied "I am not my brother keeper. . As in , who knows where Abel is perhaps he is hiding or asleep.?

The work of the father of lies a murderer from that very beginning. Abel the first recorded martyr (witness) or apostle sent with prophecy the will of God .

John 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, (genesis) and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 
Of course he is one "sent from God" giving meaning to the word "apostle ".
Where do the scriptures say Abel was sent.
His unbelieving faithless brother Cain proved able was sent was . The Spirit of Christ warned Cain to do the right thing . sent Able to talk with him about doing the right thing (obey God) Abel's blood like the the blood of all saints cries out in a living hope of being clothed with the incorruptible body that will never die or grow old .
Give the scriptures for what you say. We can't just say Abel was sent to talk to Cain if it is not in the Bible.
 
35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel
the shedding of blood, especially righteous blood, does make one a martyr.
There are many other persons who have died as prophets, or as Spirit-filled Christians, who are recognized as martyrs, but are not specifically listed here by Jesus.
Nevertheless scripture does recognize Abel as a martyr -
Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts.
And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks.
 
the shedding of blood, especially righteous blood, does make one a martyr.
There are many other persons who have died as prophets, or as Spirit-filled Christians, who are recognized as martyrs, but are not specifically listed here by Jesus.
Nevertheless scripture does recognize Abel as a martyr -
Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts.
And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks.
You have to make up your mind if you are going to defend the word of God, or other people's words.

The Word of God does not say Abel was a prophet, and, it doesn't say he was a willing martyr, like Stephan.

Abel was righteous, and we know this because the Bibles says he was.

The Bible does not say Abel was a martyr, or a prophet.
 
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