Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

[Garee]

Oh brother……
Our churches ARE in the “New Testament times” as you put it. We’re certainly not in the “Old Testament times.” What other “times” have we entered into thus far? Are we not still living under the New Covenant? Is this not still the Church Age?

The phrase church age is questionable ?

The church is the bride . One bride, one church made up of all the nations . (Revelation 21)

 

[PloughBoy]

No

If you truly wonder these things...its no wonder that you...never mind...

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Not to be rude, are you familiar with the English language, English literature, and the ways of “speech”, and the beautiful of the English language, such in; “Metaphors”, “Similes”, “hyperboles”, the beautiful of “KJV” the art and flavor of “William Tyndale”.

I am sorry your “assessment” is way, way, way off.
I am sorry, you missed this boat. It left the dock before you got there, a long time ago, I am so sorry. And I do not know really what to say to you. but I could help you a little but most likely you would be offended and feel humble and consider that a threat instead of a “blessing “
Salutations, my friend

 

[God's Truth]

Oh brother……
Our churches ARE in the “New Testament times” as you put it.

No they are not, the new testament times are a long time ago.
You are not in the Bible.

We’re certainly not in the “Old Testament times.” What other “times” have we entered into thus far? Are we not still living under the New Covenant? Is this not still the Church Age?
After?? What are you talking about??
WE ARE IN New Testament times NOW my friend. Is there some new covenant here on earth that that’s happened between God and man since Jesus that no one but you knows about??
You are either adding to scripture or misinterpreting it wildly friend.

lol

 

[God's Truth]

apostles sent ones with no other meaning added not venerable ones or intelligent ones.

Do you really think your denial is a defense for truth?

They as us had the awesome responsibility to plant the incorruptible born again seed of Christ in a living hope of being moved to work with Christ yoked with him. And water it with the water of the word the doctrine of God that fall like rain causing growth here or there.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


Deuteronomy 32: Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

The same water of the word he washes his bride the church with and husbands are directed to wash there wives with (the will of God) .

1 Corinthians 3: 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

The definition "sent one" was changed to mean venerable one according to a law of the fathers (I heard it through the fathers grapevine) False veneration power.

God can move a Ass to stop the madness of a false apostle like that of Balaam by putting his understanding in the mouth of any creature .

Abel the first recorded apostle and martyr. The time of reformation (1st century) came over two thousand years ago. God is still sending out apostles with his declarations as it is written The gospel of His peace His rest.

You can't just add to the Bible. That is a major wrong.

 

[Garee]

Do you really think your denial is a defense for truth?

You can't just add to the Bible. That is a major wrong.

Deny what? Add what?

 

[God's Truth]

Deny what? Add what?

You can't call someone a prophet or a martyr if the Bible doesn't call them one.

 

[vhusley]

No they are not, the new testament times are a long time ago.
You are not in the Bible.

lol

Thanks, I appreciate it, but I really don't need you to confirm for me that I'm not living in A.D. 40 right now or that my name and personal story isn't written out as part of the actual scripture.
But think about this....If we aren't "in the Bible" then the Bible wasn't written for us. I believe as adopted heirs of the Almighty, we ARE in the Bible....or we are at least the same audience that Paul is writing to. God's Word is living! It didn't stop having effect when the last original Apostle died. "For the word of God is alive and active." - Hebrews 4:12

And you may "lol" but I'm serious; how many covenants has God had with His people? Are we not still under the New?

If you were a dispensationalist, you'd say that we are under the "Dispensation of Grace" and have been since Jesus died, rose again, and ascended.
If you were a reputable Bible scholar or theologian, you'd agree that Jesus was the cornerstone, Peter was the Rock, the Holy Spirit was poured out and since that occurrence we have been living in the "Church Age".......that period where the church...the Body of Christ is being built up (to which Paul speaks in Ephesians). That period where believers (not just Apostles) were (and are) commissioned to go out and spread the Gospel message. God, through the operation of the Holy Ghost, has equipped us, just as He did the original Apostles to accomplish this. In fact He is still equipping the Body of Believers until that day when the perfect comes and Christ returns to accomplish all prophesy and to bring His church into unity and to maturity, "attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ," of which Paul wrote in Ephesians.

The foundation was laid in the first century A.D...........but we have not attained that measure yet. I mean, do you really say that we have??

God is still building up His church. The gifts and offices are still present and still needed. If you aren't seeing or experiencing them, you may want to question your relationship with the Holy Spirit.......because millions worldwide ARE still experiencing tongues as well as other miraculous operations of the Holy Spirit in their lives and in the churches. Many others ar believing and seeing the miraculous. Many others ARE being used in miraculous ways by God, through His Holy Spirit to carry out His will. Since the last original Apostle died, thousands upon thousands have responded to God's calling upon their lives to serve in the ministries of Teacher, Shepherd, Evangelist, Prophet, and yes, even Apostle.

Your incessant denial doesn't doesn't make any of these things any less true and it certainly doesn't change scripture.
I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree as this conversation became fruitless around 10 pages back.
Good day, and be blessed sir.

“But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” - 1 Corinthians 14:38 (worth a retweet!)

 

[God's Truth]

Thanks, I appreciate it, but I really don't need you to confirm for me that I'm not living in A.D. 40 right now or that my name and personal story isn't written out as part of the actual scripture.
But think about this....If we aren't "in the Bible" then the Bible wasn't written for us. I believe as adopted heirs of the Almighty, we ARE in the Bible....or we are at least the same audience that Paul is writing to. God's Word is living! It didn't stop having effect when the last original Apostle died. "For the word of God is alive and active." - Hebrews 4:12

And you may "lol" but I'm serious; how many covenants has God had with His people? Are we not still under the New?

If you were a dispensationalist, you'd say that we are under the "Dispensation of Grace" and have been since Jesus died, rose again, and ascended.
If you were a reputable Bible scholar or theologian, you'd agree that Jesus was the cornerstone, Peter was the Rock, the Holy Spirit was poured out and since that occurrence we have been living in the "Church Age".......that period where the church...the Body of Christ is being built up (to which Paul speaks in Ephesians). That period where believers (not just Apostles) were (and are) commissioned to go out and spread the Gospel message. God, through the operation of the Holy Ghost, has equipped us, just as He did the original Apostles to accomplish this. In fact He is still equipping the Body of Believers until that day when the perfect comes and Christ returns to accomplish all prophesy and to bring His church into unity and to maturity, "attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ," of which Paul wrote in Ephesians.

I think they all teach falseness.
To get Jesus to be your Teacher and not have some men and women as the teacher, one has to forget everything they think they know, even about the basics. There are so many denominations, and which one is the Truth? Which one is God's Truth? Does a person have to study every single denomination to find the right one? No? Why not? Who is to say which one is the real one and maybe we are to search all the denominations?

I searched for God in many denominations before I found God's Truth. That is not how to have Jesus as the Teacher. So how does one find God's Truth and not some man's truth? Well, you get the New Testament scriptures and start doing what Jesus says. When Jesus saves you, gives you his Spirit to live in you, he becomes your Teacher. It doesn't mean you don't have to study hard sometimes, it does mean you have to want God's Truth more than you want anything or anybody, and more than your own life.

The foundation was laid in the first century A.D...........but we have not attained that measure yet. I mean, do you really say that we have??

What do you mean? We have all we need in the Bible for God to lead us to eternal life.

God is still building up His church.

God is still saving people, people are still living stones built up, in heaven.

The gifts and offices are still present and still needed.

They have ceased where they have ceased.

If you aren't seeing or experiencing them, you may want to question your relationship with the Holy Spirit......

Nonsense. I don't even say that to you, but with the measure you used to me, Jesus says it is measured to you.

.because millions worldwide ARE still experiencing tongues as well as other miraculous operations of the Holy Spirit in their lives and in the churches.

You want to claim tongues and miraculous operations, as if you can't have one without the other, but you are wrong.
God still does miraculous things, it is just that tongues have ceased.

Many others ar believing and seeing the miraculous. Many others ARE being used in miraculous ways by God, through His Holy Spirit to carry out His will. Since the last original Apostle died, thousands upon thousands have responded to God's calling upon their lives to serve in the ministries of Teacher, Shepherd, Evangelist, Prophet, and yes, even Apostle.

Your incessant denial doesn't doesn't make any of these things any less true and it certainly doesn't change scripture.
I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree as this conversation became fruitless around 10 pages back.
Good day, and be blessed sir.

“But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” - 1 Corinthians 14:38 (worth a retweet!)

I never ever agree with those I don't agree with. You think this thread has been fruitless, it is never ever fruitless for me to speak about God. It is always a blessing for me.
You tell me good day and be blessed, even though you say some of the worst things to me.

 

[Shaolin]

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.


The churches in the new testament times were the firsts, and they were built upon the foundation.

The foundation was laid a long time ago and the first churches were needed to be a place to whom the scriptures and teaching were made, for us all.

Remember, rocks are people.

It takes rocks/people to lay the foundation, and, it is people who ares rocks building up the buildings.

The rocks/people/buildings/churches in the new testament times were the people getting the gospel message revealed to for the first time.

We are no longer being given new scriptures and prophecies and revelations to this day, for it was all done in the New Testament times.

Those getting saved now are being built into the heavenly Jerusalem, but we are not having NEW prophecies and new knowledge with the help of tongues, as was during the laying of the foundation times and the first buildings being built up.

Your carnally minded reasoning does not line up with what Scripture clearly teaches. You think that this one verse trumps the passages given to you that clearly state what God has ORDAINED in the church. As long as the church is on the earth, those things that God ordained for the church will remain.

You are a blind false teacher. You cannot understand the truth of Scripture because you place your bias over and above what Scripture clearly states. You are no better than a pharisee was in Jesus' day.

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[Shaolin]

smh

Don't know what that means...but it has no Scriptural value so you are still out in left field.

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[Shaolin]

A rock you mean? lol

Well...when I was in the Marines, we did call those who had no thinking abilities "rocks," so...I guess in this situation you can also use rock instead of brick.

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[Shaolin]

No

Not to be rude, are you familiar with the English language, English literature, and the ways of “speech”, and the beautiful of the English language...

Apparently much more familiar with it than you are..."the beautiful of the English language"...

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[Shaolin]

No they are not, the new testament times are a long time ago.
You are not in the Bible.

lol

What he means is the time period of the New Covenant...it is NOT a testament, it is a covenant. And, yes, we are still living in the time period of the New Covenant. Read Acts again...there is no "Amen" as the last word, because the history of the New Covenant church is STILL running.

I told you that you didn't know how to read and interpret Scripture...and you continually prove that statement in practically every post.

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[Shaolin]

You can't just add to the Bible. That is a major wrong.

And yet you call the pot black...while you do the very thing that you say here is wrong.

Wow...this is why I said earlier that you are spiritually blind and void of the Spirit, you can't even see when you are a hypocrite and telling everyone here that you are by such statements.

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[God's Truth]

Your carnally minded reasoning does not line up with what Scripture clearly teaches. You think that this one verse trumps the passages given to you that clearly state what God has ORDAINED in the church. As long as the church is on the earth, those things that God ordained for the church will remain.

You are a blind false teacher. You cannot understand the truth of Scripture because you place your bias over and above what Scripture clearly states. You are no better than a pharisee was in Jesus' day.

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There are no more churches as in the New Testament times. The churches were in people's homes. We don't have the apostles teaching the truth. We no longer have speaking in tongues, listening to people speak in tongues giving God's mysteries and having someone interpret, as we wait for letters to read and a visit from the apostles to know the teachings of the Lord.

 

[Shaolin]

You can't call someone a prophet or a martyr if the Bible doesn't call them one.

Sure we can. Missionaries in Africa and South America who have given their lives in order to preach the gospel to those who have not yet heard it, are martyrs. We don't need to Bible to tell us that John so-and-so is a martyr; all we need is the definition of the word martyr...which apparently escapes your bias.

I have never known a person who held the office of Prophet before, but to say that that's because they are no more in the church is as stupid as saying that since I have never seen satan, that he must have died after the apostolic era. Hence your common sense 'logic' fails again.
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[God's Truth]

Don't know what that means...but it has no Scriptural value so you are still out in left field.

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You have the Internet you could have looked.

 

[Shaolin]

I think they all teach falseness.
To get Jesus to be your Teacher and not have some men and women as the teacher, one has to forget everything they think they know, even about the basics. There are so many denominations, and which one is the Truth? Which one is God's Truth? Does a person have to study every single denomination to find the right one? No? Why not? Who is to say which one is the real one and maybe we are to search all the denominations?

Apparently you don't understand simple English grammar...

Ephesians 4:11-14
11 And God gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,
12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.

God gave to the church teachers - those who have been called by God into that specific church office of ministry, qualified, gifted, equipped, and anointed specifically to teach the truths of Scripture. You...a mere nothing of a person...saying that a person does not need to listen to a bonafide teacher called by God, is to demonstrate just how carnally minded you in fact are. According to your own words, we can say the very same thing about you that Jesus said about the pharisees...that you are wrong because you know neither the Scriptures nor God Himself.

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[God's Truth]

Well...when I was in the Marines, we did call those who had no thinking abilities "rocks," so...I guess in this situation you can also use rock instead of brick.

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lol

 

[God's Truth]

What he means is the time period of the New Covenant...it is NOT a testament, it is a covenant.

The New Testament and New Covenant are the same thing.