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Tensions rise across Europe as countries introduce Covid measures and compulsory vaccines - BBC News

yet the vaccine does not do anything they say it does. It does not stop you from getting it. It does not stop you from spreading it. So why the radical hard push for a vaccine that only lessens the symptoms?

? Red flags all over the place.
 
Dave M said:
yet the vaccine does not do anything they say it does. It does not stop you from getting it. It does not stop you from spreading it. So why the radical hard push for a vaccine that only lessens the symptoms?

? Red flags all over the place.
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"They" say that it is suppose to make the symptoms less intense.
Is that what you have heard also?
 
This is deliberate. Step 1, create a problem, step 2 make the problem worse , step 3 come up with a solution, but with loss of freedoms. Step 4. bring in a new world order, as obviously the current way isnt working.
 
Dave M said:
yet the vaccine does not do anything they say it does. It does not stop you from getting it. It does not stop you from spreading it. So why the radical hard push for a vaccine that only lessens the symptoms?

? Red flags all over the place.
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Because the 'symptoms' have caused 5.26 millions deaths?

Vaccines lessen the severity of the disease, also cuts transmission hugely. The broad options are 1. An effective vaccination programme 2. More lockdowns 3. Mass fatalities.
 
Hekuran said:
Because the 'symptoms' have caused 5.26 millions deaths?

Vaccines lessen the severity of the disease, also cuts transmission hugely. The broad options are 1. An effective vaccination programme 2. More lockdowns 3. Mass fatalities.
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This is what I think.

I think the majority of people are not against vaccines or have not been. I think a lot of people
usually get the flu vaccine and got many other vaccines when they were younger.

It seems, and I'm not picking a side but making an observation, It seems that because oh how this
vaccine was introduced
(1) with much political confusion
(2) with many conspiracies (some proving to be true)
(3) during a time of high mistrust for government
(4) with the threat of mandates
(5) during a time period which reminds many of the END Times,

makes it an interesting time indeed and I can see why many are resisting.
This does not mean that some are not benefiting from the vaccine, many could be,
but I see why there is such controversy around it.
 
Jesus_is_LORD said:
This is what I think.

I think the majority of people are not against vaccines or have not been. I think a lot of people
usually get the flu vaccine and got many other vaccines when they were younger.

It seems, and I'm not picking a side but making an observation, It seems that because oh how this
vaccine was introduced
(1) with much political confusion
(2) with many conspiracies (some proving to be true)
(3) during a time of high mistrust for government
(4) with the threat of mandates
(5) during a time period which reminds many of the END Times,

makes it an interesting time indeed and I can see why many are resisting.
This does not mean that some are not benefiting from the vaccine, many could be,
but I see why there is such controversy around it.
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Put another way, I think this exact vaccine that is being resisted would not
be resisted and many would freely take it if

(1) it wasn't being mandated
(2) it wasn't so political
(3) there was higher trust in government
(4) there weren't so many endtimes warnings
(5) and there wasn't as many conspiracies being put out there.
 
I cant help wonder if the narrative was more in lines of the truth, and not sold as some wonder drug,, if anyone would take it.

1. Well we do not know the long term effects, so there is risk involved.
2. Well it does not stop you from getting cvoid
3. It does not stop you from spreading cvoid
4. It does reduce the symptoms
5. there is already a 99.8 % chance of survival if you get cvoid , and the vaccine is not really going to change that.

"wear there is risk there should be choice"
 
data for the state i live in.


Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 17 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.

Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 18 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.

Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 10 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ yearolds.
• 11 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.

friend of mine and his wife are in the hospital again. got the virus a second time. they are 65+
 
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Dave M said:
I cant help wonder if the narrative was more in lines of the truth, and not sold as some wonder drug,, if anyone would take it.

1. Well we do not know the long term effects, so there is risk involved.
2. Well it does not stop you from getting cvoid
3. It does not stop you from spreading cvoid
4. It does reduce the symptoms
5. there is already a 99.8 % chance of survival if you get cvoid , and the vaccine is not really going to change that.

"wear there is risk there should be choice"
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On the question of truth @Dave M I've corrected your false 99.8% statistic several times. Why do you repeat it knowing that it is untrue?
 
Hekuran said:
On the question of truth @Dave M I've corrected your false 99.8% statistic several times. Why do you repeat it knowing that it is untrue?
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dear brother I wish not argue with you, you believe what you want, I have shown you proof in the past of the 99.8 survival rate. why do you you not believe what I show you??

neither one of us will change the mind of the other so I give Glory to God, and bless you.

no one know the long term effect of this drug. And it was rushed to market and skipped normal procedures of tried and proven vaccines.

I know of story after story of people having health issues after taking this vaccine, when risk is involved there should be choice.
 
Dave M said:
I cant help wonder if the narrative was more in lines of the truth, and not sold as some wonder drug,, if anyone would take it.

1. Well we do not know the long term effects, so there is risk involved.
2. Well it does not stop you from getting cvoid
3. It does not stop you from spreading cvoid
4. It does reduce the symptoms
5. there is already a 99.8 % chance of survival if you get cvoid , and the vaccine is not really going to change that.

"wear there is risk there should be choice"
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I know a man, who said something. You know what he said my dear @Dave M ,
he said, "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set(make) you free"/

Good point you make.
 
The fatality rate in the US for people who have covid is around 1.6%. Certainly not 0.2%. It's a matter of data, fact, truth, not opinion.

The 0.2% figure represents gross mortality, an entirely different matter.
 
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Hekuran said:
The fatality rate in the US for people who have covid is around 1.6%. Certainly not 0.2%. It's a matter of data, fact, truth, not opinion.
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Just curious, I haven't reviewed both of your data sources.
What is your source and what is @Dave M 's source?

Do you both have the same source and if not what are your sources?
Is it CDC vs W.H.O
Or local health departments vs federal?

Just asking to inquire, not to challenge, since I don't know whose data is more accurate, thus I'm asking.
 
Our world in Data is a good source Search that's where I got the 1.6% stat.

The 99.8% survival rate figure comes from a sermon where the preacher took the number of covid-related deaths per population and falsely described it as a survival rate.
 
I'm out of town for a few days not sure if I can get the link to work on my phone don't do this type of thing usually from the phone but I'm going to give it a shot
 
Another thing to keep in mind is a 99.8% survival rate is without treatment nobody seems to be talking about treatment yet if you search the doctors that are being silenced they're having a very good success with several different treatments which I would imagine would increase the odds of survival what are the odds survival with the vaccine I do have to wonder
 
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