Tensions rise across Europe as countries introduce Covid measures and compulsory vaccines - BBC News

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I just can not help wonder why people would inject something into there bodies when the do not know the long term effect,. And when there is a chance it could have a adverse effect,,

Fear?

 

[Dave M]

Fear?

maybe, the fear of not being able to provide for their families because the work place makes unjust laws concerning the vaccine.

Not being properly informed of the adverse effects this vaccine could possibly have.

 

[PloughBoy]

Let me say this: Many Christians are concerned.................Stop. [ Ticker Tape.]..........................Begin: The "Sons of GOD" are not worried or concern...Why? because of "signs & wonders". So we know when to "Rejoice"..............Stop [Ticker Tape]..........we observe such things and we remind each other, and others cannot see or has the "ability" to grasp even on their best day of observation and religious thinking of what is happening. And we see the "signs" and We WONDER"...with anticipation [ticker tape]....Stop.

 

[Rad]

It never fails to surprise me how seemingly intelligent, rational people act so stupidly and irrationally on this subject. I would have instigated a Mandatory Worldwide Vaccination programme a long time ago, but because of the Greed of the Pharmaceutical Companies in refusing to share the vaccine formula with poor countries, the hysteria and lies fermented on the internet and the programme of mistrust and hate spread by religious and political groups intent on furthering their own agendas its gonna be very hard, or perhaps even impossible now to implement without violence, further division and turmoil within society.

I hear people say "do your own research", "find the facts out for yourselves", but they ,like me, know nothing about Virology , nothing about Vaccines and Viruses. So we are left with reading and looking at the opinions and thoughts of others, and who do we choose to believe?. On the one hand you have the Scientific institutions, the Scientists with Degrees and Doctorates, men and women who have devoted their lives to studying Viruses and Vaccines and who all say that the most effective way of combating this Global Pandemic is Vaccination. And on the other hand you have a rag tag band of "know it alls", people on the internet and Facebook, youtube videos showing people dressed in white coats who we are told are "experts" in the field , together with a sprinkling of Doctors and Nurses pushing the Anti Vaxx line.

So who do you believe, the real experts, the people that know about this subject, or the motley band of so called "experts " who together probably couldnt fill the back of a postage stamp with what they know of Virology.?. And intelligent , rational people, in most other respects, choose to believe this motley band of youtubers and self proclaimed experts. Why?,

The COVID Virus has killed over 5 million people worldwide, infected hundreds of millions more, put intolerable strains on Healthcare systems, some of which, especially in poorer countries are on the point of breaking down, and with so many unvaccinated people still in the world, the ever present risk of a mutation into a far more lethal strain is ever present, and if this mutation is resistant to the vaccine then we're ALL in serious trouble.

I hear a lot about "my rights" and " my personal freedoms to choose", well in a society we all have our rights and freedoms curtailed for the common good, and this is a case of the common good if ever there was one. Your right to "freedom" does not give you the right to infect me with an easily transmittable and serious disease with possible fatal consequences. It does not give you the right to contract and incubate a Virus that may mutate and be an even more serious threat to myself and others.

But lets say society lets you exercise that "right" which at the moment in most countries it does, well with Rights come responsibilities. and if you choose not to have the vaccine, if you choose not to protect yourself and others the best you possibly can, then others must have the "right" to know that, and to choose not to have anything to do with you, employers must have the right to refuse employment to non vaccinated people, venues must have the right to refuse entry to non vaccinated people, a vaccination passport must be introduced,. And if you do fall ill with COVID, then thats your responsibility, if you want to exercise your freedom to choose, then hospitals and doctors must also have the freedom to refuse you treatment. why must patients have to wait for operations, or hospital beds, of consultations with doctors because health systems are clogged up with mainly unvaccinated who chose to exercise their "Freedom of Choice".

Until we get the majority of the Worlds population fully vaccinated we're just gonna stumble from one COVID crisis to the next as more mutations crop up, with an ever increasing toll of death and suffering. So force the big Pharma companies to share their vaccine formula, most of them were developed with public money anyway, get the World Vaccinated. And if people want to exercise their "Freedom of choice" , then that freedom comes with the responsibility to bear the whole cost of that decision, not choose to be unvaccinated and then expect the healthcare system to deal with the consequences of that decision.

 

[Dave M]

It never fails to surprise me how seemingly intelligent, rational people act so stupidly and irrationally on this subject

your point would come across much more sincere with out the name calling, against those that disagree with you.

 

[Dave M]

1. "It’s not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have."

2. "The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a vaccine, when it is not one, with the intention of manipulating people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment."

3. "The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case. The establishment acknowledges this, and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “vaccines” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus that these injections do not even prevent."

4. "I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus by strengthening my immune system naturally. In the event I catch a virus, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment."

 

[PloughBoy]

And we do not have a "Dictator" in this country, we have "representatives", a Senate, and a President that works for The People! And they are suppose to obey us. When was the last time you read your "Constitution", Rad". Have you ever Heard of "King George III"? You are not in 'China" or "North Korea", white folks ain't going to take it, You need a history lesson.

My Daddy taught me that a long time ago, and have reminded me down through the years. and I have notice. He wasn't lying.

 

[Rad]

1. "It’s not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have."

2. "The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a vaccine, when it is not one, with the intention of manipulating people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment."

3. "The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case. The establishment acknowledges this, and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “vaccines” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus that these injections do not even prevent."

4. "I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus by strengthening my immune system naturally. In the event I catch a virus, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment."

Dave M, could i ask you what expertise or training you have in Virology, what qualifications or experience, and where you're getting your information from?

 

[Rad]

And we do not have a "Dictator" in this country, we have "representatives", a Senate, and a President that works for The People! And they are suppose to obey us. When was the last time you read your "Constitution", Rad". Have you ever Heard of "King George III"? You are not in 'China" or "North Korea", white folks ain't going to take it, You need a history lesson.

My Daddy taught me that a long time ago, and have reminded me down through the years. and I have notice. He wasn't lying.

Its called Democracy Ploughboy, if enough of the people want a certain thing and their representatives agree then thats whats gonna happen. If enough of the American public decided they wanted a vaccination mandate and enough of their representatives in Congress followed the will of the people then a vaccine mandate would be passed and acted on.

Now you might disagree with it, and i daresay it would be contested in the courts, im not familiar with the US legal system or the constitution, but here in the UK if the people will it, and feel strongly about it, then thats what usually happens, because its either a brave politician or a very foolhardy one that consistently flouts public opinion.

 

[Dave M]

5. "The establishment insists that this medical treatment is safe. They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate that it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment".

6. "The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued. Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything."

it is very strange that the politicians that are passing laws left and right to force us to take the vaccine have exempt themselves from taking it. If that does not speak volumes

 

[Shae]

5. "The establishment insists that this medical treatment is safe. They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate that it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment".

6. "The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued. Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything."

it is very strange that the politicians that are passing laws left and right to force us to take the vaccine have exempt themselves from taking it. If that does not speak volumes

Well it would help if everyone got the vaccine so that COVID is not an issue forever you know.

 

[PloughBoy]

Its called Democracy Ploughboy, if enough of the people want a certain thing and their representatives agree then thats whats gonna happen. If enough of the American public decided they wanted a vaccination mandate and enough of their representatives in Congress followed the will of the people then a vaccine mandate would be passed and acted on.

Now you might disagree with it, and i daresay it would be contested in the courts, im not familiar with the US legal system or the constitution, but here in the UK if the people will it, and feel strongly about it, then thats what usually happens, because its either a brave politician or a very foolhardy one that consistently flouts public opinion.

Oh no democracy is democracy, Just like the whole world lies in Darkness, and no one can see or conceived with a iota the "Sovereignty of GOD" with a finite mind. So everything, is "futile". So in essence we like to talk. for we love the conservations of a finite mind about the Temporal which is dissipating every moment of the day slowly but surely and can never , even the rivers are not immutable even the air that travels through fingers on a gentle day remains not the same for it also return to the dirt from which it came. Then at the appointed day, where"GOD" got the dirt to make man, it will return from whence it came or where it laid it's head, and maybe, "GOD" woke it up and made dirt get up and walk. You talking about "Democracy" check out this "SUPREMACY". I hope you walking with me, because i am in the zone.

Come one come all, Let us take a good look at the "SUPREMACY' "THE PREEMINENT of Christ", "The TETRAGRAMMATON" and all the governments of The World has been found wanting and weighted in The Balance. "mene, mene, tekel, Upharsin".

(Isaiah 9)BSB
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end.He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this."

He will sit on The Throne of David in The New Jerusalem a Jerusalem that has not been made by the hands of a corrupted mankind but a city Made By "GOD" that will dwell in The SKY.

Now,,,, how does HE do that ,,,,,and........ can do that",,,,,,,, Because, "He IS GOD" all by HIMSELF" "The ASIETY of GOD".

 

[Godbehonored]

No covid vaccine is mandated where I am. People who have taken the jab have done so voluntarily because they recognise it's the best protection against the disease.

There is no contradiction in trusting God and being vaccinated.

Did God or Jesus personally told you to take the vaccine? If not, who are you listening to when you affirm that the vaccine is good for people?

There is a contradiction because your decisions are not based on what you hear from God, but rather what you hear from men. Are you certain those people or media or whatever is telling you the vaccine is good are ambassadors for Jesus?

It also begs the question: why would you deem the vaccine a necessary safeguard if Jesus is your Lord? Is Jesus not able to protect you from a manmade epidemic and thus you need the vaccine in place of Him? That’s idolatry at best.

 

[Godbehonored]

To the OP: there is no puzzle or conundrum surrounding the vaccine.

Great acceptance of the vaccine and whatever else is coming upon this world under the “peace and security” tag is prophesied in the Gospels. Didn’t the Gospels say when they say peace and security, sudden destruction will come?

The world will take the mark of the beast just like the book of Revelation pointed out, blind acceptance of the vaccine is only a precursor to this acceptance of the mark of the beast.

I have read and heard many faithful Christians talk about how we need to truly forsake the world and be ready to lose everything for Christ, the opposite attitude of “Christians” on here only serves to prove that they will accept the mark of the beast because they love their current life, comforts and mammon more than Jesus. They will not give up their lives for Jesus, their hearts were never willing to love Jesus above their own lives and the only option for them is the mark of the beast. Even God will send them a strong delusion because they loved not the truth. They will regret that decision for eternity, no matter how confident now they are that being friends with the world is not harmful to their souls.

This is a time of testing, a time to distinguish between the wheat and chaff, the sheep and goats. Will we make our decisions based on hearing from Jesus or will we make our decisions independent of Him? Jesus will say to many professing Christians on that day that He never knew them.

 

[Hekuran]

Did God or Jesus personally told you to take the vaccine? If not, who are you listening to when you affirm that the vaccine is good for people?

There is a contradiction because your decisions are not based on what you hear from God, but rather what you hear from men. Are you certain those people or media or whatever is telling you the vaccine is good are ambassadors for Jesus?

It also begs the question: why would you deem the vaccine a necessary safeguard if Jesus is your Lord? Is Jesus not able to protect you from a manmade epidemic and thus you need the vaccine in place of Him? That’s idolatry at best.

I'll be blunt: that's a deeply stupid and biblically ignorant post.

First, idolatry is about worship, not medical decisions.

Second, no, God did not personally instruct me to get vaccinated. Nor has God ever instructed me to eat plenty of fresh vegetables, be cautious when cycling in heavy traffic, or to wait until after brushing my teeth to tie my tie. Part of Christian maturity is developing wisdom to make good decisions.

Today people are dying unnecessarily because they have refused to take any vaccine to protect themselves. Posts like yours contribute to deaths of real people with mourning families.

 

[Hekuran]

Luke 10:33-34 says

But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine, which was idolatry at best because he should have trusted God alone not in oil and wine to heal.

 

[Godbehonored]

I'll be blunt: that's a deeply stupid and biblically ignorant post.

First, idolatry is about worship, not medical decisions.

Second, no, God did not personally instruct me to get vaccinated. Nor has God ever instructed me to eat plenty of fresh vegetables, be cautious when cycling in heavy traffic, or to wait until after brushing my teeth to tie my tie. Part of Christian maturity is developing wisdom to make good decisions.

Today people are dying unnecessarily because they have refused to take any vaccine to protect themselves. Posts like yours contribute to deaths of real people with mourning families.

Idolatry is also having faith in something/someone else other than Jesus, exactly what you are demonstrating with your overconfidence in vaccines and lack of genuine faith in Jesus who could heal and protect His true believers through every epidemic/pestilence. Clearly you don’t share this belief that I have.

You have conveniently ignored my question: Do you not believe Jesus can protect His believers in this time so no vaccines are even needed? Shows a lot about the authenticity of your faith.

It makes me wonder why you can compare taking a vaccine to eating vegetables in the first place. Vegetables are made by God, this vaccine isn’t. Besides taking the vaccine is a decision that isn’t just about food, and you didn’t bother to consult Jesus about it? Is He the Lord of your life or not?

You don’t have to accuse me falsely of causing deaths, even people who have already taken the vaccine has died from COVID or died AFTER taking the vaccine. It’s reported in the news. Whether the vaccine is taken or not has no bearing on whether one will survive the disease.

On the other hand, your overreaction and personal attack to my post is an indication of a serious problem with your faith, you should be more concerned about that then the outcomes of not taking the vaccine.

 

[Godbehonored]

Luke 10:33-34 says

But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine, which was idolatry at best because he should have trusted God alone not in oil and wine to heal.

Are you serious? You are comparing the oil and wine used in the old days with the man-made vaccine of this corrupt age?

Fact check: the oil and wine used in those days are formed naturally in nature or in the case of wine, through the natural chemical processes WITHOUT men adding or altering any chemical components in it. These are not the same as the vaccines made by godless organisations and can never be seen in the same way.

Besides people use wine and oil in those days to treat wounds because they have been PROVEN to be effective and comes directly from nature. The COVID vaccine, on the other hand, has not even truly healed anyone from the manmade disease, not to mention that it is made solely by godless men and have profited them greatly at the expense of those who actually DIED after taking the vaccine. Who is really doing evil by supporting a dubious manmade vaccine which has actually caused real deaths (the vaccine is known to cause side effects like blood clotting, pretty dangerous for high blood pressure patients) and profited the godless elites?

And why are you mocking the book of Luke in order to discredit my posts? Is that what a Christian does?

 

[Hekuran]

Are you serious? You are comparing the oil and wine used in the old days with the man-made vaccine of this corrupt age?

Fact check: the oil and wine used in those days are formed naturally in nature or in the case of wine, through the natural chemical processes WITHOUT men adding or altering any chemical components in it. These are not the same as the vaccines made by godless organisations and can never be seen in the same way.

Besides people use wine and oil in those days to treat wounds because they have been PROVEN to be effective and comes directly from nature. The COVID vaccine, on the other hand, has not even truly healed anyone from the manmade disease, not to mention that it is made solely by godless men and have profited them greatly at the expense of those who actually DIED after taking the vaccine. Who is really doing evil by supporting a dubious manmade vaccine which has actually caused real deaths (the vaccine is known to cause side effects) and profited the godless elites?

And why are you mocking the book of Luke in order to discredit my posts? Is that what a Christian does?

Im not mocking the book of Luke, I'm highlighting your flimsy logic.

 

[Hekuran]

Idolatry is also having faith in something/someone else other than Jesus, exactly what you are demonstrating with your overconfidence in vaccines and lack of genuine faith in Jesus who could heal and protect His true believers through every epidemic/pestilence. Clearly you don’t share this belief that I have.

You have conveniently ignored my question: Do you not believe Jesus can protect His believers in this time so no vaccines are even needed? Shows a lot about the authenticity of your faith.

It makes me wonder why you can compare taking a vaccine to eating vegetables in the first place. Vegetables are made by God, this vaccine isn’t. Besides taking the vaccine is a decision that isn’t just about food, and you didn’t bother to consult Jesus about it? Is He the Lord of your life or not?

You don’t have to accuse me falsely of causing deaths, even people who have already taken the vaccine has died from COVID or died AFTER taking the vaccine. It’s reported in the news. Whether the vaccine is taken or not has no bearing on whether one will survive the disease.

On the other hand, your overreaction and personal attack to my post is an indication of a serious problem with your faith, you should be more concerned about that then the outcomes of not taking the vaccine.

What you say here is untrue. A person who has not been vaccinated is eight times more likely to die of covid. Statements like yours are responsible for thousands of deaths.