The “Woke “ Jesus

[Snake Bait]

Still no commandment or scriptural evidence. "Tradition" by who's authority? Not Jesus most certainly.
By what right does a flawed sinner have to add anything? None.
Indulgences were once an off and on again thing with NO scriptural evidence yet the RC has yet to say "We made a mistake."
We may have shared beliefs but what you "do" in many examples is NOT in scripture. Acting as if the Rosary itself has "holy powers" and that a flawed sinner "Father" of whom God is the only one with the right to that title in the church.
Nowhere does it say Jesus came to start the Roman Catholic church. You haven't answered nor given evidence and you won't be the first.
Lots of starving and needy people yet gotta make sure the old men, man of whom tend to have sex with alter boys, get their expensive clothing and churches made of precious metals; none of which are in scripture.

Tradition is by God's authority.

Jesus stated he was not here to do away with the Law but to fulfill the Law. And His condemnation to the Pharisees, Sadducees, and leaders was not against the way in which the service was run, it was against they're teaching. Jesus wasn't against the scripture, he was against their way of carrying it out.

Like working on the Sabbath day. Jesus talks about a lamb being caught in a thorn bush, that on the Sabbath that you would still seek to get the lamb out of the thorn bush. But yet in the Jewish teaching at that time any work was considered a sin.

The adorning of the Temple, the Tabernacle, the way in which the priests dressed, with fine robes and so on, this is all tradition and taught in the Old Testament through the prophets and through the Lord speaking to Moses and others.

 

[MedicBravo]

Tradition is by God's authority.

Jesus stated he was not here to do away with the Law but to fulfill the Law. And His condemnation to the Pharisees, Sadducees, and leaders was not against the way in which the service was run, it was against they're teaching. Jesus wasn't against the scripture, he was against their way of carrying it out.

Like working on the Sabbath day. Jesus talks about a lamb being caught in a thorn bush, that on the Sabbath that you would still seek to get the lamb out of the thorn bush. But yet in the Jewish teaching at that time any work was considered a sin.

The adorning of the Temple, the Tabernacle, the way in which the priests dressed, with fine robes and so on, this is all tradition and taught in the Old Testament through the prophets and through the Lord speaking to Moses and others.

Ok. Scripture?
The Sabbath wasn't given to us. That's Ceremonial Law.
Since He fulfilled the law the only ones that make sense to still be around is Moral Law.
The Ten are the perfect basis for any culture. Put God first and things tend to fall into place.
Catholics can have their "traditions" but you've provided no scriptural backing; no one has.

 

[Snake Bait]

Ok. Scripture?
The Sabbath wasn't given to us. That's Ceremonial Law.
Since He fulfilled the law the only ones that make sense to still be around is Moral Law.
The Ten are the perfect basis for any culture. Put God first and things tend to fall into place.
Catholics can have their "traditions" but you've provided no scriptural backing; no one has.

I can see why Bill made his comment to you, about you not bothering to believe anything that is scriptural. Even when presented to you.

The scripture itself, is the Word of God. There is no greater Authority.

The Sabbath was never taken away from us, and just because we celebrate Sunday as being our Sabbath. Does not mean that we are the exemption to forgo the Sabbath.

Jesus himself States, give to Caesar what is Caesar's. And give to God what is God's.

 

[MedicBravo]

1. You didn't give anything. Nothing from the Bible.
2. Sunday is not the 7th day.
3. "give to Caesar what is Caesar's. And give to God what is God's." - What does that have to do with this?
I'm not Catholic and none have yet to adequately, scripturally. given evidence for the few examples given. Tradition doesn't count nor is mentioned as God saying it is.
Pretty sure church funds would go much farther without all the costly clothing and churches made of previous metals and other materials.
No RCC priest dresses like they were in the OT. There are NO instructions for what they've been wearing for who knows how long.
*Tell us where Indulgences came from and how they even became LEGIT in the RCC? They went and came back many times. Pretty sure God didn't make list of sins you could pre-pay for.
I don't answer to the RCC or the Pope.
The ONLY person between me and God is Jesus. God-Jesus-Me just like any non-Catholic Christian. No need nor want for a trinket or having "parades" with dead bodies of saints being treated like idols and some are even covered and adorned in precious metals.
Pretty sure that's not in the Bible either. Several of their churches "claim" to have the Crown of Thorns" while others the Nails used in the crucifixion.
We don't do that nor seek them b/c we know what flawed sinners would do with such things.

 

[Twistie]

Tradition is by God's authority.

Jesus stated he was not here to do away with the Law but to fulfill the Law. And His condemnation to the Pharisees, Sadducees, and leaders was not against the way in which the service was run, it was against they're teaching. Jesus wasn't against the scripture, he was against their way of carrying it out.

Like working on the Sabbath day. Jesus talks about a lamb being caught in a thorn bush, that on the Sabbath that you would still seek to get the lamb out of the thorn bush. But yet in the Jewish teaching at that time any work was considered a sin.

The adorning of the Temple, the Tabernacle, the way in which the priests dressed, with fine robes and so on, this is all tradition and taught in the Old Testament through the prophets and through the Lord speaking to Moses and others.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
Andhonor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

Twistie

 

[Snake Bait]

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
Andhonor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

Twistie

The traditions of God are not the same as the traditions of men. It is God that calls us to worship him on the seventh day. Does this mean that's a tradition of men when mankind follows that teaching, a very teaching that's in the scripture.

It is God that tells Solomon to build a Temple any explains to Solomon how it is to be built and adorned. If we build other places of worship and follow in the same procedure, that they are adorned for the glory of God. Are we then following man's Traditions or are we following the Traditions that are set in place by God.

The Levites were chosen by God to be the priests of the most high. God has never taken away that, that there should be priests as Servants of the one true Shepherd. So there are still priest that serve and preach the word. Just as there are ministers who do the same in other churches. These are the continuation of the Levites of old. They are the ones that have been called to minister the word of God. Is this a tradition of men, or is this God's tradition?

Even the cups and the Bulls that were used in the old Temple of Solomon. These are the very things that God has ordained to be. And yet people call them the tradition of men, when it is truly the tradition of the Most High

My friend, do not be deceived by a person that will not listen to anything in Scripture. Even though he is shown it to be of scripture.

 

[Twistie]

The traditions of God are not the same as the traditions of men. It is God that calls us to worship him on the seventh day. Does this mean that's a tradition of men when mankind follows that teaching, a very teaching that's in the scripture.

It is God that tells Solomon to build a Temple any explains to Solomon how it is to be built and adorned. If we build other places of worship and follow in the same procedure, that they are adorned for the glory of God. Are we then following man's Traditions or are we following the Traditions that are set in place by God.

The Levites were chosen by God to be the priests of the most high. God has never taken away that, that there should be priests as Servants of the one true Shepherd. So there are still priest that serve and preach the word. Just as there are ministers who do the same in other churches. These are the continuation of the Levites of old. They are the ones that have been called to minister the word of God. Is this a tradition of men, or is this God's tradition?

Even the cups and the Bulls that were used in the old Temple of Solomon. These are the very things that God has ordained to be. And yet people call them the tradition of men, when it is truly the tradition of the Most High

My friend, do not be deceived by a person that will not listen to anything in Scripture. Even though he is shown it to be of scripture.

For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God

Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.

When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable,
But he who restrains his lips is wise.

For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.....

Then many worship YH how n when they want.. they go to a temple once a week n consider that's is good enough while not doing what we as the children of YH are called to do.. many depend on other men to plant seeds many buy the words of man instead of spending time with Abba themselves.. I myself will have church every day with others n not in temples..I'm always asked to leave or i am just not welcomed or the dude in charge is just talking ear candy..

Is it Evil to do good on the Sabbath???


N this is what Abba tells His children...

Is not this the fast that I have chosen: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house?

Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Hope all's well with ya.. hubby is thriving along able to eat n all!!



Twistie

 

[Bill]

1. You didn't give anything. Nothing from the Bible.
2. Sunday is not the 7th day.
3. "give to Caesar what is Caesar's. And give to God what is God's." - What does that have to do with this?
I'm not Catholic and none have yet to adequately, scripturally. given evidence for the few examples given. Tradition doesn't count nor is mentioned as God saying it is.
Pretty sure church funds would go much farther without all the costly clothing and churches made of previous metals and other materials.
No RCC priest dresses like they were in the OT. There are NO instructions for what they've been wearing for who knows how long.
*Tell us where Indulgences came from and how they even became LEGIT in the RCC? They went and came back many times. Pretty sure God didn't make list of sins you could pre-pay for.
I don't answer to the RCC or the Pope.
The ONLY person between me and God is Jesus. God-Jesus-Me just like any non-Catholic Christian. No need nor want for a trinket or having "parades" with dead bodies of saints being treated like idols and some are even covered and adorned in precious metals.
Pretty sure that's not in the Bible either. Several of their churches "claim" to have the Crown of Thorns" while others the Nails used in the crucifixion.
We don't do that nor seek them b/c we know what flawed sinners would do with such things.

I have a question? Why bother posting all of the scriptural references that are found throughout the Old Testament, when it's so easy to find?

Jesus's argument that he presented was not against what was written in the scripture at the standpoint of the Jews. It was the interpretation that the Pharisees had rendered.

When I look at the United States, and where we are now versus where we were a hundred years ago in our understanding of the Constitution. The whole scenario of what Jesus was going through with the Jewish Traditions versus the true teaching to the Israelites through the judges of God, are very similar.

What we have today in America is the corruption of the government. But the Constitution is solid, and everything the United States is supposed to be is very solid.

So too with the time of Jesus, that the corruption in the Pharisees and Sadducees and the so-called learned of the temples for foolishness before the eyes of God. And what God created through the Israelites of old is perfect before God.

In the teachings of Jesus, he perfects the teachings that came before. And for you to understand this, you have to understand that it was Jesus himself who gave the teachings in the Old Testament.

As the scripture says, they did not recognize him. Meaning the Pharisees did not recognize Jesus they did not understand the trinity that was revealed through Jesus.

But to help you understand the fullness of the trinity it was even shown all the way back to the time of Moses. Because the two stone tablets had the Word of inscribed on them, and the Word of God is God.

 

[MedicBravo]

The traditions of God are not the same as the traditions of men. It is God that calls us to worship him on the seventh day. Does this mean that's a tradition of men when mankind follows that teaching, a very teaching that's in the scripture.

It is God that tells Solomon to build a Temple any explains to Solomon how it is to be built and adorned. If we build other places of worship and follow in the same procedure, that they are adorned for the glory of God. Are we then following man's Traditions or are we following the Traditions that are set in place by God.

The Levites were chosen by God to be the priests of the most high. God has never taken away that, that there should be priests as Servants of the one true Shepherd. So there are still priest that serve and preach the word. Just as there are ministers who do the same in other churches. These are the continuation of the Levites of old. They are the ones that have been called to minister the word of God. Is this a tradition of men, or is this God's tradition?

Even the cups and the Bulls that were used in the old Temple of Solomon. These are the very things that God has ordained to be. And yet people call them the tradition of men, when it is truly the tradition of the Most High

My friend, do not be deceived by a person that will not listen to anything in Scripture. Even though he is shown it to be of scripture.

1. I think God is far more concerned with people going TO church rather than the day. I lot of people pray to and worship Him every day multiple times. Following God's example isn't tradition; it's being MORE like Him than the world and the lost.
2. No. That was the OT. Different time, different, place, different culture/people. By that assumption, we should be sacrificing animals still. That business would make a killing in profits. As Jesus was the sacrifice and "It is finished." then the "requirement to build fancy and expensive "churches/temples" and animal bloodshed for sins is done. You don't get to pick and choose.
3. Really? Where is the Levite Christian group/clan today? Whey are they not the heads of ALL churches?
"They are the ones that have been called to minister the word of God." Not all who stand in front of a church and "preach" were called to it especially any woman.
I had one such Bible study years ago in a guy's home. At the end he told everyone he "felt" a strong desire to "plant a church" and as you know most who try fail. I didn't sign and was out of there fast. My instincts and what I knew from studying at the time told me "No."
4. "Even the cups and the Bulls that were used in the old Temple of Solomon." No. The OT ways are done except Moral Law. In fact, if something from the OT is to be continued it must be repeated in the NT. Here, the Ten Commandments are in both the OT and NT but in the latter only 9 are repeated. Jesus is our rest/Sabbath.
Show me from scripture where "they" are to continue doing the same old, very expensive, showy, ritualistic things from the OT.
Don't make false statements and assumption. Don't assume you know where I and many who know the same get our information

 

[MedicBravo]

I have a question? Why bother posting all of the scriptural references that are found throughout the Old Testament, when it's so easy to find?

Jesus's argument that he presented was not against what was written in the scripture at the standpoint of the Jews. It was the interpretation that the Pharisees had rendered.

When I look at the United States, and where we are now versus where we were a hundred years ago in our understanding of the Constitution. The whole scenario of what Jesus was going through with the Jewish Traditions versus the true teaching to the Israelites through the judges of God, are very similar.

What we have today in America is the corruption of the government. But the Constitution is solid, and everything the United States is supposed to be is very solid.

So too with the time of Jesus, that the corruption in the Pharisees and Sadducees and the so-called learned of the temples for foolishness before the eyes of God. And what God created through the Israelites of old is perfect before God.

In the teachings of Jesus, he perfects the teachings that came before. And for you to understand this, you have to understand that it was Jesus himself who gave the teachings in the Old Testament.

As the scripture says, they did not recognize him. Meaning the Pharisees did not recognize Jesus they did not understand the trinity that was revealed through Jesus.

But to help you understand the fullness of the trinity it was even shown all the way back to the time of Moses. Because the two stone tablets had the Word of inscribed on them, and the Word of God is God.

For a long time it was NOT known that the Jews had sole control of the Bible. As it wasn't translated and a lot of people were illiterate, they had "special Bibles" of which they controlled what and when something was read to a church.
In the same, most Catholics priests MUST learn Latin if they don't know it. Why? Most Catholics can NOT read or speak Latin so looks like that has continued in the RCC.
*Note. There are no mis-translations only the use of synonyms or more words to convey the same original word or concept.
Per your example, the current "government" is NOT following the much of the Constitution. Pedo Joe has already broken many laws and it's take far too long to put him and his son in prison for life.
Your last three assume I don't know basic Bible info and Christian beliefs?
BTW which "scriptural evidence" are you referring to if it's "so easy" to find?

 

[Bill]

1. I think God is far more concerned with people going TO church rather than the day. I lot of people pray to and worship Him every day multiple times. Following God's example isn't tradition; it's being MORE like Him than the world and the lost.
2. No. That was the OT. Different time, different, place, different culture/people. By that assumption, we should be sacrificing animals still. That business would make a killing in profits. As Jesus was the sacrifice and "It is finished." then the "requirement to build fancy and expensive

"churches/temples" and animal bloodshed for sins is done. You don't get to pick and choose.
3. Really? Where is the Levite Christian group/clan today? Whey are they not the heads of ALL churches?
"They are the ones that have been called to minister the word of God." Not all who stand in front of a church and "preach" were called to it especially any woman.
I had one such Bible study years ago in a guy's home. At the end he told everyone he "felt" a strong desire to "plant a church" and as you know most who try fail. I didn't sign and was out of there fast. My instincts and what I knew from studying at the time told me "No."
4. "Even the cups and the Bulls that were used in the old Temple of Solomon." No. The OT ways are done except Moral Law. In fact, if something from the OT is to be continued it must be repeated in the NT. Here, the Ten Commandments are in both the OT and NT but in the latter only 9 are repeated. Jesus is our rest/Sabbath.
Show me from scripture where "they" are to continue doing the same old, very expensive, showy, ritualistic things from the OT.
Don't make false statements and assumption. Don't assume you know where I and many who know the same get our information

"1. I think God is far more concerned with people going TO church rather than the day. I lot of people pray to and worship Him every day multiple times. Following God's example isn't tradition; it's being MORE like Him than the world and the lost."

You are making a mistake, similar to one I made some years ago. By thinking that God wouldn't either not be concerned about that or it becomes too much of a burden to God, or that God would not care to have all these prayers said to him and so on. These are the words of the devil. And the devil will continue talking to you like that and putting those thoughts into your mind.

Do you remember the scripture verse that talks about how God cares for us. That he cares for even every single hair on your head. And what this is should be telling us isn't so much about God caring about every hair on your head but he cares about everything that you do and everything that you are concerned about and everything that you want to do God cares about all of it.

And even more so. If you are doing it striving to be giving yourself to God, God loves it even more. So when you're saying prayers multiple times or if you're saying prayers just once it doesn't matter because God loves all of it. God has no limitations, there is no limit to what he loves in his children.

"2. No. That was the OT. Different time, different, place, different culture/people. By that assumption, we should be sacrificing animals still. That business would make a killing in profits. As Jesus was the sacrifice and "It is finished." then the "requirement to build fancy and expensive "churches/temples" and animal bloodshed for sins is done. You don't get to pick and choose."

Jesus is eternal. And it was Jesus who spoke the words to all the judges, to all the scribes that wrote down the Old Testament words.

Again you have to be cautious, cuz the devil will love to fill your mind with things that are untrue, and make them seem like they are true.

You can see this in the words that you used, when you stated different time, different place, different culture.

The devil would love to make the Old Testament obsolete.

But although we call it the Old Testament or the Hebrew scripture. It is very relevant even to this day. The Ten Commandments is an example are still the Ten Commandments.

Remember what I stated earlier about Jesus fulfilling his own words. Jesus said that he was the sacrificial lamb. And this is one of the reasons why the Catholics look at Jesus as the Eucharist. Because the Eucharist is the sacrificial lamb that came down from heaven. And is like the Mana that was given to the Israelites during the time of Moses. And now Jesus the bread of life is given to us.

In some scriptures Jesus says " it is finished" , and in other Scriptures it says, "it is accomplished".

Jesus saying it is finished on the cross is not talking about that is the end of it. Because the scriptures continue with everything. If it was the end of everything why were the apostles sent out why do they continue with the sacrifice of the mass. Why did Paul preach at all if everything was finished. And it was even Jesus who converted Paul in the first place, and what did Jesus say, he said that Paul is my vessel that I will send to the pagans and to the ends of the Earth. So it wasn't the end of everything it was just the beginning.

I have more to say but I have to work also. So I will save it for later

 

[MedicBravo]

"1. I think God is far more concerned with people going TO church rather than the day. I lot of people pray to and worship Him every day multiple times. Following God's example isn't tradition; it's being MORE like Him than the world and the lost."

You are making a mistake, similar to one I made some years ago. By thinking that God wouldn't either not be concerned about that or it becomes too much of a burden to God, or that God would not care to have all these prayers said to him and so on. These are the words of the devil. And the devil will continue talking to you like that and putting those thoughts into your mind.

Do you remember the scripture verse that talks about how God cares for us. That he cares for even every single hair on your head. And what this is should be telling us isn't so much about God caring about every hair on your head but he cares about everything that you do and everything that you are concerned about and everything that you want to do God cares about all of it.

And even more so. If you are doing it striving to be giving yourself to God, God loves it even more. So when you're saying prayers multiple times or if you're saying prayers just once it doesn't matter because God loves all of it. God has no limitations, there is no limit to what he loves in his children.

"2. No. That was the OT. Different time, different, place, different culture/people. By that assumption, we should be sacrificing animals still. That business would make a killing in profits. As Jesus was the sacrifice and "It is finished." then the "requirement to build fancy and expensive "churches/temples" and animal bloodshed for sins is done. You don't get to pick and choose."

Jesus is eternal. And it was Jesus who spoke the words to all the judges, to all the scribes that wrote down the Old Testament words.

Again you have to be cautious, cuz the devil will love to fill your mind with things that are untrue, and make them seem like they are true.

You can see this in the words that you used, when you stated different time, different place, different culture.

The devil would love to make the Old Testament obsolete.

But although we call it the Old Testament or the Hebrew scripture. It is very relevant even to this day. The Ten Commandments is an example are still the Ten Commandments.

Remember what I stated earlier about Jesus fulfilling his own words. Jesus said that he was the sacrificial lamb. And this is one of the reasons why the Catholics look at Jesus as the Eucharist. Because the Eucharist is the sacrificial lamb that came down from heaven. And is like the Mana that was given to the Israelites during the time of Moses. And now Jesus the bread of life is given to us.

In some scriptures Jesus says " it is finished" , and in other Scriptures it says, "it is accomplished".

Jesus saying it is finished on the cross is not talking about that is the end of it. Because the scriptures continue with everything. If it was the end of everything why were the apostles sent out why do they continue with the sacrifice of the mass. Why did Paul preach at all if everything was finished. And it was even Jesus who converted Paul in the first place, and what did Jesus say, he said that Paul is my vessel that I will send to the pagans and to the ends of the Earth. So it wasn't the end of everything it was just the beginning.

I have more to say but I have to work also. So I will save it for later

1. Show me where going on "the wrong day" is going to send people to Hell. Pretty sure the Atheists and others who freely mock God are doing far worse.
2. 3rd paragraph is irrelevant to this.
3. 4th?
4. Jesus is eternal. And it was Jesus who spoke the words to all the judges, to all the scribes that wrote down the Old Testament words. - No. At one point animals didn't eat meat but that changed.
Your suggestions we're to STILL do OT things and we are not.
Modern courts are not handled by Civil Laws.
5. There is a difference between obsolete and fulfilled; the former I've never stated.
6. Yeah, more things Catholics do that aren't backed by God and scripture.
In some scriptures Jesus says " it is finished" , and in other Scriptures it says, "it is accomplished". - No on speaks in the latter. Read them both and see which sounds correct AND makes sense. Both are synonyms.
"It is finished." - Payed in full. Old Testament Ceremonial Laws are NO more from that point on. No death, animal or otherwise would be sufficient to stave off God's wrath b/c Jesus paid it in full.
Not just for sinners up until the day He died.
Never stated "end of everything" nor did Jesus.
There's a reason the Old Promise is done and the New Promise was made.

 

[MedicBravo]

In continuation:

“Paid in Full”? The Meaning of τετέλεσται (Tetelestai) in Jesus’ Final Words​

Someone else has already done the work and he is not the first.

“Paid in Full”? The Meaning of τετέλεσται (Tetelestai) in Jesus’ Final Words

There are a lot of interesting claims about historical background to the New Testament that float around, especially on social media. I tell my students that they need to find actual ancient sources that verify such claims, because there are so many of these supposed historical background facts...

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When He died, the blood sacrifice of the Old Testament was gone, done, or "fulfilled" since some of you want to cherry and nitpick word definitions.
Remember Jews had to do sacrifices EVERY year.
The most important act of Him coming was not his ministry, healing, miracles, etc. it was His death on the cross that was the most important thing.

 

[Snake Bait]

For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God

Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.

When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable,
But he who restrains his lips is wise.

For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.....

Then many worship YH how n when they want.. they go to a temple once a week n consider that's is good enough while not doing what we as the children of YH are called to do.. many depend on other men to plant seeds many buy the words of man instead of spending time with Abba themselves.. I myself will have church every day with others n not in temples..I'm always asked to leave or i am just not welcomed or the dude in charge is just talking ear candy..

Is it Evil to do good on the Sabbath???


N this is what Abba tells His children...

Is not this the fast that I have chosen: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house?

Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Hope all's well with ya.. hubby is thriving along able to eat n all!!



Twistie

The Holy Spirit speaks in her words

 

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In continuation:

“Paid in Full”? The Meaning of τετέλεσται (Tetelestai) in Jesus’ Final Words​

Someone else has already done the work and he is not the first.

“Paid in Full”? The Meaning of τετέλεσται (Tetelestai) in Jesus’ Final Words

There are a lot of interesting claims about historical background to the New Testament that float around, especially on social media. I tell my students that they need to find actual ancient sources that verify such claims, because there are so many of these supposed historical background facts...

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When He died, the blood sacrifice of the Old Testament was gone, done, or "fulfilled" since some of you want to cherry and nitpick word definitions.
Remember Jews had to do sacrifices EVERY year.
The most important act of Him coming was not his ministry, healing, miracles, etc. it was His death on the cross that was the most important thing.

Truely, Jesus death on the Cross was a miracle to itself, as how can the Eternal God die? And the offering of himself to pay for sins, many would think that should be enough.

But it is the "one two punch" that really carries the weight. The Death on the Cross and the Resurrection of Jesus are the greatest gifts Jesus game us.

 

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For a long time it was NOT known that the Jews had sole control of the Bible. As it wasn't translated and a lot of people were illiterate, they had "special Bibles" of which they controlled what and when something was read to a church.
In the same, most Catholics priests MUST learn Latin if they don't know it. Why? Most Catholics can NOT read or speak Latin so looks like that has continued in the RCC.
*Note. There are no mis-translations only the use of synonyms or more words to convey the same original word or concept.
Per your example, the current "government" is NOT following the much of the Constitution. Pedo Joe has already broken many laws and it's take far too long to put him and his son in prison for life.
Your last three assume I don't know basic Bible info and Christian beliefs?
BTW which "scriptural evidence" are you referring to if it's "so easy" to find?

The latin went out as far back as the 60's . Even so, my parents, especially my dad with an 8th grade education could quote scripture inside and out. And knew the depth of scripture and God's love

 

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Truely, Jesus death on the Cross was a miracle to itself, as how can the Eternal God die? And the offering of himself to pay for sins, many would think that should be enough.

But it is the "one two punch" that really carries the weight. The Death on the Cross and the Resurrection of Jesus are the greatest gifts Jesus game us.

God in Three persons but in Jesus before He came here He didn't have a physical body.
God used Mary's genetic material (egg) and His to make a body for Jesus. As such Jesus had a physical body so both Human and God at the same time to be able to be around us and not have his Perfect and Holy self obliterate us mortal sinners.
The problem we have is as mortal beings we can't fathom God but in a very small way.
If seeing is believing then that's a problem.
The Death is the biggest one as it was the blood debt required that was finished. He had to Resurrect to show the world He had power over Death. It is not the same or on the same level.

 

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The Holy Spirit speaks in her words

"Her"?

 

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"Her"?

The Spirit is neither male nor female so to wanna debate or correct is just puffed up pride seems pride gets the best of all of us at one time or another..

What Glory would it bring to YH to argue a moot point??

Twistie

 

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Don't start.
God is a spirit and He is male. If He and Jesus are male where does it say the SpiritA common mistake made with regard to the Holy Spirit is referring to the Spirit as "it," something most translations of the Bible are careful to avoid. The Holy Spirit is a person. He has the attributes of personhood, performs the actions of persons, and has personal relationships. He has insight (1 Corinthians 2:10-11). He knows things, which requires an intellect (Romans 8:27). He has a will (1 Corinthians 12:11). He convicts of sin (John 16:8). He performs miracles (Acts 8:39). He guides (John 16:13). He intercedes between persons (Romans 8:26). He is to be obeyed (Acts 10:19-20). He can be lied to (Acts 5:3), resisted (Acts 7:51), grieved (Ephesians 4:30), blasphemed (Matthew 12:31), even insulted (Hebrews 10:29). He relates to the apostles (Acts 15:28) and to each member of the Trinity (John 16:14; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). is "neither male or female"?
Masculine terminology dominates the scriptures.
Specific names for God (e.g., Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, Kurios, Theos, etc.) are all in the masculine gender. God is never given a feminine name or referred to using feminine pronouns.
In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit is referred to by the Greek word for "spirit" (pneuma), a gender-neutral term. In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word for "spirit" (ruach) is feminine (see Genesis 1:2). But the gender of a word in Greek or Hebrew has nothing to do with gender identity.
Paul makes it clear that Jesus was the exact image of God in Colossians 1:15 calling Jesus "the image of the invisible God."
*There is no Biblical basis for the Holy Spirit being female or neutral.