The Error of Dispensationalism

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Hi Chris,

I'm guessing like many theologies there are differring degrees. You can find Calvinists from 1 to 5 points.

Hi @Butch5,

My sources were the books of Dr E.W. Bullinger and Mr Charles Welch, and the Berean Publishing Trust, of Wilson Street, London.

 

[Butch5]

Hi @Butch5,

My sources were the books of Dr E.W. Bullinger and Mr Charles Welch, and the Berean Publishing Trust, of Wilson Street, London.

I know of Bullinger, not familiar with the rest.

 

[PloughBoy]

The letter to Timothy was scripture.
I don't know what you mean when you say, "the Old Testament also teaches “The WORD of GOD” but a closed Book to “The “Un-Regenerate” Person."
That sounds like Lutheran and Calvinism to me.
No one gets regenerated unless they obey Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.

The new testament was being spoken and written by the apostles and their helpers.

Right. The types and shadows were about Jesus. The whole old testament is about Jesus, not yet known as Jesus. However, since John the baptizer, it is the new testament.

Jesus is the Word of God, and was God, and is the one speaking in the Old Testament not yet come as Jesus.



The only way to eat of Jesus is to obey him. Jesus gives understanding to those who obey him. Jesus reveals himself and gives understanding to those who obey his teachings. We have to be careful to obey him and check out carefully everything we have been taught.

He, thinks the dead, can walk and talk and read and “obey Jesus” and then get saved.

His. Quote:
“No one gets regenerated unless they obey Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.”

Is it improper to “laugh” just a little? “Dead man walking”.

 

[God's Truth]

I think you're missing the point. No one was Justified by the Law. Paul states that plainly in Galatians 3.

You are missing the point.

The Jews did the purification works of the law to justify themselves before God.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (Gal. 3:21 KJV)

The old law did not give what the new one does, but that does not mean the old law did nothing to justify the people at the time.

It doesn't matter if God had laws in Abraham's day. Paul is addressing the Mosaic Law. It's a specific Law. He says that no one was justified by the Mosaic Law and to prove it he points to Abraham who was justified before God when the Mosaic Law didn't even exist. It's proof beyond doubt that no one was justified by the Mosaic Law.

Abraham was the first to get circumcised in the flesh. Being circumcised in the flesh is the sign that a person is in a covenant with God and is clean and does the other purification works.

Paul is explaining that God promised a covenant to be fulfilled by a blood relative of his, Jesus Christ, and Paul is explaining that Jesus is the promise who came, who does these purification works for us now.

 

[God's Truth]

He, thinks the dead, call walk and talk and read and “obey Jesus” and then get saved.

His. Quote:
“No one gets regenerated unless they obey Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.”

Is it improper to “laugh” just a little? “Dead man walking”.

You were taught that ridiculous teaching about dead man walking.

If a person wants to get saved, they have to get Jesus' teachings and obey them.

No one gets regenerated with the Holy Spirit to make them believe.

People who obey receive the Holy Spirit and at that time are regenerated.

God. Does not. Save. Unbelievers.

 

[God's Truth]

Hi Chris,

I'm guessing like many theologies there are differring degrees. You can find Calvinists from 1 to 5 points.

Oh Butch5, you think you were figuring out her beliefs by what she posts? lol Of course a person can do that. So don't know why you thought your beliefs were a mystery.

 

[PloughBoy]

You were taught that ridiculous teaching about dead man walking.

If a person wants to get saved, they have to get Jesus' teachings and obey them.

No one gets regenerated with the Holy Spirit to make them believe.

People who obey receive the Holy Spirit and at that time are regenerated.

God. Does not. Save. Unbelievers.

Well who did he come hear to saved?

Your quote:
“God. Does not. Save. Unbelievers.”

 

[God's Truth]

Well who did he come hear to saved?

Your quote:
“God. Does not. Save. Unbelievers.”

God saves repentant sinners. Repentant sinners believe God.

 

[Butch5]

Oh Butch5, you think you were figuring out her beliefs by what she posts? lol Of course a person can do that. So don't know why you thought your beliefs were a mystery.

No, I know her beliefs through extensive conversations with her. Tell me, when I first became a Christian almost 30 years ago, what were the teachings I was taught?

 

[PloughBoy]

You were taught that ridiculous teaching about dead man walking.

If a person wants to get saved, they have to get Jesus' teachings and obey them.

No one gets regenerated with the Holy Spirit to make them believe.

People who obey receive the Holy Spirit and at that time are regenerated.

God. Does not. Save. Unbelievers.

Really, Saul [Paul] didn’t believe, He got saved. After “Jesus” knock him up beside the head! THEN, He saw “He Saw “The Light Then” in The Dark! “who art thou”, I AM, “JESUS”!

“38This happened so thatthe word of Isaiah the prophetwhich he spoke would be fulfilled: “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVEDOUR REPORT? AND TO WHOMHAS THE ARM OF THE LORDBEEN REVEALED?” 39For thisreason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40“HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SOTHAT THEY WILL NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND UNDERSTANDWITH THEIR HEART, AND [q]BE CONVERTED, AND SO I WILL NOT HEAL THEM.” 41Thesethings Isaiah said because he sawHis glory, and he spoke aboutHim. 42Nevertheless many, evenof the rulers, believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, so thatthey would not be excommunicated from thesynagogue; 43for they loved the [r]approval of people rather thanthe John 12 New American Standard Bibleapproval of God.”

 

[PloughBoy]

It has come to my mind now, I am going to do a short research in something I never done before. I thought about a few times. But never gave a thought of research. And by research, I don’t mean feeding off The Regurgitation of another man’s work.

I am done, I have the hard covered books to do it with. I have the books that the translators use to translate the “Original Copied Manuscript” and Dictionaries and Lexicons, and “ISBE” for the very words you have in The English Text. And I do not stumble around which direction I should go, for I am familiar of The Path I take. “To Rightly Divide “The Word of Truth” hard copy.

 

[God's Truth]

No, I know her beliefs through extensive conversations with her. Tell me, when I first became a Christian almost 30 years ago, what were the teachings I was taught?

Your beliefs are also knowable from what you say.

 

[God's Truth]

Really, Saul [Paul] didn’t believe, He got saved. After “Jesus” knock him up beside the head! THEN, He saw “He Saw “The Light Then” in The Dark! “who art thou”, I AM, “JESUS”!

Paul wasn't saved on that road to Damascus.
Paul had to do what Jesus said.
Paul fasted and repented in prayer for three days before he was saved.

 

[Butch5]

Your beliefs are also knowable from what you say.

Well, of course. But, you didn't say my beliefs. You said what I was taught. They are two different things. As I said, I've since rejected much, if not most, of what I was taught.

 

[God's Truth]

Well, of course. But, you didn't say my beliefs. You said what I was taught.

Good grief, it is the same thing. Your beliefs are things you were taught.

They are two different things. As I said, I've since rejected much, if not most, of what I was taught.

It doesn't change the fact that your beliefs you have are things you were taught by men.

 

[Butch5]

Good grief, it is the same thing. Your beliefs are things you were taught.

It doesn't change the fact that your beliefs you have are things you were taught by men.

They're not same. As I said, I've rejected much, if not most, of what I was taught. Not all of my beliefs are things I was taught. Many comes from Studying Scripture, church history, and the early faith.

 

[God's Truth]

They're not same. As I said, I've rejected much, if not most, of what I was taught. Not all of my beliefs are things I was taught. Many comes from Studying Scripture, church history, and the early faith.

Then let's discuss scriptures and see who teaches falseness or who teaches the Truth.

 

[Butch5]

Then let's discuss scriptures and see who teaches falseness or who teaches the Truth.

I'm not sure you want to do that.

 

[PloughBoy]

Paul wasn't saved on that road to Damascus.
Paul had to do what Jesus said.
Paul fasted and repented in prayer for three days before he was saved.

Well, that sentence you did get right.

“Paul wasn't saved on that road to Damascus.”

He got saved, before there was a “Star” Earth, Moon” even before “Time, Heaven, Future or Space!
You learning slowly but surely.

 

[God's Truth]

I'm not sure you want to do that.

Why not?