The Error of Dispensationalism

[PloughBoy]

You trying to condemn me only hurts you.

Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

And,?……….,And we do know what is written in the book, What is written in the book is also written on our being, for GOD our Father put it there. “hello” you woke?

 

[PloughBoy]

PloughBoy, you asked me this:



So I replied to you.

So then why did you say to me this:

Oh’ I thought you knew “Calvinese”, my bad

 

[God's Truth]

And,?……….,And we do know what is written in the book, What is written in the book is also written on our being, for GOD our Father put it there. “hello” you woke?

It is hard for me to understand you sometimes, like this time.

 

[PloughBoy]

It is hard for me to understand you sometimes, like this time.

Really,

 

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1st, you know I like you a lot. And it is very hard for a man like me to hurt, in anyway. “especially” a “Child of GOD” like you.
I have taken time and read your words and how you presented them.

But now I will “Draw The Long Bow”, out, “The English Bow” and try my best to “Hit The Mark” from a long way out.

Jeremiah, 13: 26,27
(NIV)
“I will pull up your skirts over face that your shame maybe seen,
Your adulteries and lustful neighings, your your shameless prostitution! I have seen your detestable acts on the hills and in the fields, Woe to you, O Jerusalem! How long will you be unclean?

Proverbs 16.5 (NASB).
“Everyone who is proud in heart is an “abomination” to The LORD. Be assured, he will not go unpunished”.

2 Cor. 12: 7-10 (BSB)

“So to keep me from becoming Conceited, I was given a Thorn in my flesh, a Messenger, of Satan, to Torment me,ff.

For you have spent so much time and effort to what you have label; A “TRUE Dispensationist” meaning; distinguishing from a “Disspensationalist”

‘I am not even going to address that” no matter how many hours or minutes you have on the internet to prove your point”

Moving on, from There!
The topic. “Administration”

Now, trying by best, and it hurts me, more than it is going to hurt you.

Romans 3: 5-7 (BSB) Preferred
“5But if our unrighteousness highlights the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unjust to inflict His wrath on us? I am speaking in human terms.6Certainly not! In that case, how could God judge the world?7However, if my falsehood accentuates God’s truthfulness, to the increase of His glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner? 8Why not say, as some slanderously claim that we say, “Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is deserved!”

who is the “god” of this world, Who is The ruler of this world, who rules “corporations”, who, and where the organizations sits at that determines how this “world” is run. Who are the real “Administrators” of This World, This Kingdom, And if so, how can the practices of This kingdom is to be a “Example of The Kingdom to Come.

And concerning righteousness,

Your quote:
“God’s Principles of “Administration” were “Always Perfectly” perfectly adapted to the times and seasons during which they were carried out”

“administrations”.

I am going to stop here. “Tact and Diplomacy”, Plus, I Iike you to much, and you “fog” my theological thought patterns. Meaning, a clean way, and nothing “Offensive” to be shame of.
But enough, to curve my pen.

'And I find more bitter than death the woman,
whose heart is snares and nets,
and her hands as bands:
whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her;
but the sinner shall be taken by her.'
(Ecc 7:26)

Hello @PloughBoy,

The last thing I want to do is put nets about your feet, so forget about me, and tell it as it is, always, yes?

'A man that flattereth his neighbour
spreadeth a net for his feet.'
(Pro 29:5)

'Faithful are the wounds of a friend;
but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.'
(Pro 27:6)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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@PloughBoy

' Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom;
teaching and admonishing one another
in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed,
do all in the name of the Lord Jesus,
giving thanks to God and the Father by Him.'
(Colossians 3:16-17)

 

[Butch5]

thoughts

It seems pretty accurate to me.

 

[Butch5]

interesting thanks for your comments

the way I see it we are all one flock one people of God,,, with one shepherd, would you agree?

I believe it's a lack of understanding that causes this problem. The Bible is God's plan from Genesis to Revelation. It's not like God's plan got messed up so He started over. Look at Genesis 1

And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Gen (1:28)

Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field.( Gen. 2:19-20)

That's still the plan. God's plan has not been thwarted. All of these different theories and ideas are derived from misunderstanding God's overall plan for creation. Adam sinned and lost dominion of the earth. God's plan is to restore dominion of the earth to man. Ask yourself this question, why did the Saviour have to become man? God's plan is that man will have dominion over the world. Right now he doesn't, but, as Paul said in Hebrews, 'but we see Jesus'.

When Adam had dominion he had access to the Tree of life and could live forever. We find that in the beginning of Genesis. What do we find in Revelation? Jesus said that to the one who overcomes He would give to eat of the Tree of Life which is in the Garden of God. So, in Genesis we see the Garden of Eden and in Revealtion we see the Garden of Eden restored. God's plan has not been twarted

 

[Butch5]

No way, for the Bible tells us that people did obey the old law.

Just ask for the scriptures.

They WERE justified by the law. That is HOW THEY WERE JUSTIFIED and called the children of God!

Once Jesus came, we have to go through him who justifies us.



The old law did not justify as the new law does.
the new law through Jesus gives us a better justification.

No one was justified by the Law. Paul states that plainly. The Law was to Keep the Jews separated as a people, to separate them from the other nations.

 

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It seems pretty accurate to me.

Hello @Butch5,

It does not reflect the dispensational teaching that I have received.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Butch5]

Hello @Butch5,

It does not reflect the dispensational teaching that I have received.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris,

I'm guessing like many theologies there are differring degrees. You can find Calvinists from 1 to 5 points.

 

[Dave M]

The Law was to Keep the Jews separated as a people, to separate them from the other nations.

thats interesting and seems true. I believe it was Paul that said the Law was to show us sin.

Romans 3:20​

For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

 

[God's Truth]

No one was justified by the Law. Paul states that plainly.

Read more carefully.
No one is justified by the law now that Jesus comes to justify.

All those righteous people were righteous before God because they did the purification works of the law.

The Jews dealt with their sin nature, they were righteous and justified before God because they did the works of the law, which are the purification/ceremonial works.

You have a hard time understanding because of the teachings you were given.

If the purification works---which are the DEEDS OF THE LAW did nothing, then how on earth did a person be considered clean? How was one in a covenant with God. Think about it some more.

The Law was to Keep the Jews separated as a people, to separate them from the other nations.

Anyone could come into the old covenant, but some non Jews did, and it was mostly through marriage.

 

[Butch5]

thats interesting and seems true. I believe it was Paul that said the Law was to show us sin.

Romans 3:20​

For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

He says it Galatians

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (Gal. 3:23-25 KJV)

 

[Butch5]

No one is justified by the law now that Jesus comes to justify.

All those righteous people were righteous before God because they did the purification works of the law.

The Jews dealt with their sin nature, they were righteous and justified before God because they did the works of the law, which are the purification/ceremonial works.

You have a hard time understanding because of the teachings you were given.

If the purification works---which are the DEEDS OF THE LAW did nothing, then how on earth did a person be considered clean? How was one in a covenant with God. Think about it some more.

Anyone could come into the old covenant, but some non Jews did, and it was mostly through marriage.

Firstly, you have no idea what what teachings I was given. Secondly, I reject most of those teachings because they were wrong. In Romans 3 and 4 Paul makes the argument that a man is not justified by the Law. To prove His point He uses Abraham. He point's out that Abraham was justified apart from the Law. The funny thing is the Law didn't exist when Abraham was justified. Abraham was justified because he believed God. It's always been belief. The Law served a purpose, it was to lead a nation as God's people. If the ceremonial works justified a man why then did Jesus call the Pharisees and Sadducees vipers?

 

[PloughBoy]

'And I find more bitter than death the woman,
whose heart is snares and nets,
and her hands as bands:
whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her;
but the sinner shall be taken by her.'
(Ecc 7:26)

Hello @PloughBoy,

The last thing I want to do is put nets about your feet, so forget about me, and tell it as it is, always, yes?

'A man that flattereth his neighbour
spreadeth a net for his feet.'
(Pro 29:5)

'Faithful are the wounds of a friend;
but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.'
(Pro 27:6)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

You, might have miss it, “Liken to a “Biblical Motif”.

“Me, Moses, ye Miriam”

I did say; I was going to pull The “Long Bow” out, “The English Bow”. Your are from The “UK” and I am from The “US”, And The Champion of “The Long Bow” The English BOW, WAS BORN here in The “USA”, So in essence I fired a “Arrow”, clear across “The Atlantic Ocean” with The Intention of Hitting “The Mark” The “Bull’s Eye” dead center. You might have to, take another look at The Target. I might have “Fired” 3 Arrows, and all Three hit “The Mark”, Meaning “One Hole but Three Arrows”.

Me Moses, ye Miriam, ye female, me Male, me brother, ye sister.
Hello, do you feel me now?
“How about Those Nets”?
Or do I have make it a little more clearer to you!
For a few in here are “Alpha’s” males, Divinely Inspired by “GOD” and we do respect one another and stay in our place, and “Submit”. Is the Light coming on?
And got some more Arrows in my “quiver”.

But enough is enough. And it is time to Pour the Oil in The Wound, at let it heal and let The “Scar Remain visible as reminders who we are. “I am not your enemy neither your “love” for I am your “Brother in Christ” and as The days go on moving us into “Eternity” The Love of That relationship with grow more “Powerful” Throughout “All Eternity” where there is No End! And the human mind cannot imagine of That “Capacity”!

“Little Children ye Love one another”. So when The World see the TYPE of Love that you have FOR your brothers and your Sisters that are In “Christ” they will know you are My Disciples! “Talk is Cheap”.

If you have more LOVE for The people of This world, more Love for your church members, more Love for Nominals Christian’s, more Love for the people of your own “Race”, than you have for your own “True Brothers and Sisters” in Christ, for GOD your Father have let you know who they truly are, He have not let you stay in the dark concerning this matter, if you have refused to accept this command you are in “Rebellion” and need to repent so we can go on into The Revelations into “Eternity” as one people in “GOD”.

And at this point I will not talk to you and more as babes in”Christ”.

 

[God's Truth]

Firstly, you have no idea what what teachings I was given.

Of course anyone can see what your teachings are if you post your beliefs. How do you ever get what you say is not recognizable by someone who has debated many people of many denominations and has studied many denominations?

Secondly, I reject most of those teachings because they were wrong. In Romans 3 and 4 Paul makes the argument that a man is not justified by the Law.

Man is not justified by the old purification works since Jesus.

To prove His point He uses Abraham. He point's out that Abraham was justified apart from the Law.

Abraham's faith verses the works of the law which is circumcision.

Abraham believed and obeyed God and that is what declared him as righteous.

Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

Genesis 22:18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

The funny thing is the Law didn't exist when Abraham was justified.

God had many laws for people in Abraham's time, and Abraham was the first to get circumcised.

Abraham was justified because he believed God. It's always been belief.

Belief alone is dead, the Bible says so. Abraham's faith is in contrast to circumcision of the flesh, which was a work.

The Law served a purpose, it was to lead a nation as God's people. If the ceremonial works justified a man why then did Jesus call the Pharisees and Sadducees vipers?

Notice you ask questions by don't answer them.
The Jews were called children of God and dealt with their flesh by doing the purification works of the law.

Jesus came to make a new covenant, a covenant based on faith, and when he came, God cut off and hardened all the Jews who did not already belong to Him by faith. The cut off and hardened Jews could get saved after Jesus was crucified. Some Jews had faith and some did not. The old covenant was not based on faith, it was based on the works of the law which are the purification/ceremonial works.

The pharisees might have done the purification works of the law, but they did not have faith in God.

They didn't admit they were sinners and confess and repent of their sins with John's baptism, which is the beginning of the new testament, new covenant.

 

[Butch5]

@Dave M

3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! (Ps. 8:3-9 KJV)

Notice here that David alludes to the creation account where God gave dominion of the earth to man. He gave man dominion over the works of His hands. Notice also, the next line, "Thou hast put all things under his feet". Man had dominion over creation. Paul quotes from this in Hebrews.

3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him (Heb. 2:3-8 KJV)

Notice here that Paul is talking about salvation. He quotes David from Psalm 8. Again, he says, all things were put under man's dominion. But then he says,

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. (Heb. 2:8 KJV)

Paul says we do not YET see all things put under him. So, man was to have dominion but we don't see that YET. Then Paul says,

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (Heb. 2:9 KJV)

"But we see Jesus". Paul is showing us the answer to the problem. All things are not YET under man, "But we see Jesus". Jesus is the solution to the problem of man not having dominion over the creation.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Heb. 2:10 KJV)

Jesus will have dominion over the creation, man, will have dominion over the creation. God's plan has not been thwarted. But, take notice to what Paul said, all of this about man ruling over the creation is in the context of "So Great Salvation". Paul is explaining the salvation of man in this passage. That's why we see the Garden of Eden in Revelation.

 

[Butch5]

Of course anyone can see what your teachings are if you post your beliefs. How do you ever get what you say is not recognizable by someone who has debated many people of many denominations and has studied many denominations?

Man is not justified by the old purification works since Jesus.

Abraham's faith verses the works of the law which is circumcision.

Abraham believed and obeyed God and that is what declared him as righteous.

Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

Genesis 22:18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."



God had many laws for people in Abraham's time, and Abraham was the first to get circumcised.

Belief alone is dead, the Bible says so. Abraham's faith is in contrast to circumcision of the flesh, which was a work.

Notice you ask questions by don't answer them.
The Jews were called children of God and dealt with their flesh by doing the purification works of the law.

Jesus came to make a new covenant, a covenant based on faith, and when he came, God cut off and hardened all the Jews who did not already belong to Him by faith. The cut off and hardened Jews could get saved after Jesus was crucified. Some Jews had faith and some did not. The old covenant was not based on faith, it was based on the works of the'

The pharisees might have done the purification works of the law, but they did not have faith in God.

They didn't admit they were sinners and confess and repent of their sins with John's baptism, which is the beginning of the new testament, new covenant.

I think you're missing the point. No one was Justified by the Law. Paul states that plainly in Galatians 3.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (Gal. 3:21 KJV)

It doesn't matter if God had laws in Abraham's day. Paul is addressing the Mosaic Law. It's a specific Law. He says that no one was justified by the Mosaic Law and to prove it he points to Abraham who was justified before God when the Mosaic Law didn't even exist. It's proof beyond doubt that no one was justified by the Mosaic Law.