The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[Brightfame52]

The effect of God's Love !


1 Jn 4:19

We love him, because he first loved us.

God does not Love all men without exception because all men without exception do not Love God and Christ ! A evidence of God's Love for a person, is that the one being Loved by Him shall be caused to Love God in Return, and so we have the words of our Text "We love him, because or since he first loved us."

Also that is why Jesus said this to unregenerate jews Jn 8:42

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

And that goes for anyone, If God Loves you, He is your and you would Love God, and His Christ, there are no exceptions.

Jn 16:27

27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Again, an evidence that men have been Loved by the Father, because they Love Christ and believe in His Mission from their Father !

Ones Love to God and His Christ is the Fruit of God Loving them !

All who do not Love Christ, let them be accursed ! For God does not Love them 1 Cor 16:21-22

21The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand.

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Paul would dare not say that if He believed these men were Loved by God.

 

[Brightfame52]

The actual Greek word written in the New Testament means the same thing.

Why are you having so much trouble understanding this?

Do you truly think that you can rewrite scripture?

G1325 δίδωμι didōmi

LINK to the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι
A. give freely, offer,

Do you think that changing the definitions of the words in the New Testament pleases God?

Rhema

Its not offered, its Given ! I know what the greek word is, been knowing it for over 30 yrs

 

[Rhema]

Its not offered, its Given ! I know what the greek word is, been knowing it for over 30 yrs

No. You don't. You haven't been "knowing" anything. But I can agree that you've been wrong for 30 years. (You might want to fix that.)

I've given you the definition from the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon.

Where did YOU pull your definition from?

Here's the definition from the Cambridge Greek Lexicon:

δίδωμι - G1325​

1. give; be ready to give; OFFER​

...​

9. (of a party in a lawsuit) OFFER​

10. (of an official) OFFER (for voting on)​

So again, who the heck do you think you are to have the gall to change the definitions of words?

You backed yourself into a ridiculous claim, and then doubled down, making your whole thread into a circus of nonsense that should be ignored.

There's an old saying, "quit while you're ahead." In this case, though, you should just quit because you're digging the hole deeper.

Concerned,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

Kudos to you @Rhema!

You have battled righteously in this thread with this outright heresy!!

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@Brightfame52 I don't wish any evil on you, but with how you push this heresy, a part of me wished you get to see the view from the other side of the fence one day!

You have been given the truth and corrected so many times, yet you keep pushing the evil heresy that God cherry picks people for heaven. You are certainly close to if not already fully guilty of misrepresenting God to the lost, IE False teacher! Meditate on that fact please.

 

[Brightfame52]

No. You don't. You haven't been "knowing" anything. But I can agree that you've been wrong for 30 years. (You might want to fix that.)

I've given you the definition from the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon.

Where did YOU pull your definition from?

Here's the definition from the Cambridge Greek Lexicon:

δίδωμι - G1325​

1. give; be ready to give; OFFER​

...​

9. (of a party in a lawsuit) OFFER​

10. (of an official) OFFER (for voting on)​

So again, who the heck do you think you are to have the gall to change the definitions of words?

You backed yourself into a ridiculous claim, and then doubled down, making your whole thread into a circus of nonsense that should be ignored.

There's an old saying, "quit while you're ahead." In this case, though, you should just quit because you're digging the hole deeper.

Concerned,
Rhema

Its not offered, its Given ! I know what the greek word is, been knowing it for over 30 yrs

 

[Brightfame52]

Hast loved them, as thou hast loved me !

Jn 17:23

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Now if God Loved all men without exception, then He must have Loved them as He Loved Christ. In context, Jesus is not only speaking of His Disciples, but of also all them that shall believe on Him through their word Jn 17:19-24

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

The word AS is the greek adverb kathōs:
according as

a) just as, even as

b) in proportion as, in the degree that

They are Loved in the same degree , even as God Loved His Son !!

This means, those Jesus will yet say this to Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If those who teach the false doctrine that God Loves all men without exception, then, these here Christ is speaking to in the Judgment, whom He will say to them, I never knew you, they were Loved by His Father in the same degree that the Father Loved Him ! 5

 

[Rhema]

Its not offered, its Given ! I know what the greek word is, been knowing it for over 30 yrs

HOW? How are you knowing this?

You learned Greek 30 years ago? How? Courses taken at an accredited institute of higher learning? Some mail order classes taken from an advertisement in the back of a comic book? Or was there some uneducated self-appointed pastor who made a mistake in his sermon and this got stuck in your brain 30 years ago? (It happens.)

Truly. How? How are you knowing this? (Or might you be too embarrassed to answer?) Well I'll go first. Moravian Seminary and Princeton Theological.

I know what the greek word is, ...

Then what is the Greek word? And from where did you get your definition? From reading hundreds of Greek texts to learn how the word was used? Or did you pull it out of your own imagination?

I gave you two competent and accurate definitions for δίδωμι from well respected publications - scholars who actually know and are quite capable to teach the language.

THEY know. You? HOW? How have you "been knowing it for over 30 years"?

Mr. Brightframe52, can you read Greek? And if so, what Lexicon do you use from which to pull your definitions? How many Lexicon entries do I need to post before you will at least be honorable enough to admit that you are wrong? Kittles? BDAG? The Theological Lexicon of the New Testament from Spicq and Ernst?

Name your source. What lexicon(s) do you use?

Every question in this post is valid and should be answered if you with to maintain ANY credibility for your own thread, not the least of which is, do you even think it's possible for you to be wrong? (And the answer to that, and even the lack of answer, will be quite illuminating.)

Kindly,
Rhema


Maybe you've been "knowing" a lie.

 

[Rhema]

Kudos to you @Rhema!

You have battled righteously in this thread with this outright heresy!!

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With all due respect, K-J I'm not sure you understand my intent.

@Brightfame52 is not my enemy against whom I "battle" (even if righteously).

And I am not against him in his beliefs to call them heresy anymore than I should call your beliefs heresy, which would be the outcome were I to be condemning heresy.

My hatred, rather, is against the abuse of language, the contortion of a tool by which sanity may be achieved. It's absurd to think that we as individuals can create our own definitions - that we as individuals establish the rules of grammar, rejecting educated reason and common sense, twisting the process of communication that is a shared gestalt of Mankind.

In the repeated assertion that the word 'given' does not also mean 'offer' (within the Greek corpus - as was proven by credible citations) we see an abject stubbornness that borders on psychosis - a term used to describe a collection of symptoms where a person has difficulty distinguishing between what is real and what is not. In my previous post when I had said "Get help." It wasn't meant to convey angry condemnation, but rather loving concern. Sanity is not a common commodity, nor is it easily achieved but must be purchased with all that one has. Sanity is a pearl of great price.

When nothing can mean what it says, then everything said becomes nothing.

Now I say Sanity, but the Bible says Wisdom. There is no difference between the two.

Agape,
Rhema



@Christ4Ever

 

[Brightfame52]

Propitiation for our sins !

We know that God does not Love all without exception because if He did, all without exception would have had all their sins taken away and could not be punished for their sins, because scriptures says

1 Jn 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

You see that ? God's Love was demonstrated to those He so Loved, that He sent His Son the Lord Jesus Christ to be the propitiation for our sins.

Now, those who have and shall die in their sins, it is evident that Christ was not the propitiation for their sins, meaning He did not satisfy God's Law and Justice for them, so consequently they must remain unbelievers and die in their sins Jn 8:24

24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Its no doubt about it, Christ is being even now for all that He died for the propitiation for their sins before the heavenly mercy Seat and Throne of God.

The word propitiation here is the greek word hilasmos and means:

an appeasing, propitiating continually !

2) the means of appeasing, a propitiation

The Lord Jesus Christ for all them God Loved, He has established everlasting peace with God for them.

Its a Peace that the Son of God Made with His Blood Col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Peace is the fruit of propitiation, God is at Peace with with every soul Christ died for, and that is the fruit of His Love !

Now, those who shall yet hear these words Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God did not Love them, and did not send Christ to be the propitiation for their sins, because if He did, God would be obligated, for Christ's sake, to receive them into His Favor , because His Law and Justice had been satisfied on their behalf by His Son !

 

[Brightfame52]

HOW? How are you knowing this?

You learned Greek 30 years ago? How? Courses taken at an accredited institute of higher learning? Some mail order classes taken from an advertisement in the back of a comic book? Or was there some uneducated self-appointed pastor who made a mistake in his sermon and this got stuck in your brain 30 years ago? (It happens.)

Truly. How? How are you knowing this? (Or might you be too embarrassed to answer?) Well I'll go first. Moravian Seminary and Princeton Theological.


Then what is the Greek word? And from where did you get your definition? From reading hundreds of Greek texts to learn how the word was used? Or did you pull it out of your own imagination?

I gave you two competent and accurate definitions for δίδωμι from well respected publications - scholars who actually know and are quite capable to teach the language.

THEY know. You? HOW? How have you "been knowing it for over 30 years"?

Mr. Brightframe52, can you read Greek? And if so, what Lexicon do you use from which to pull your definitions? How many Lexicon entries do I need to post before you will at least be honorable enough to admit that you are wrong? Kittles? BDAG? The Theological Lexicon of the New Testament from Spicq and Ernst?

Name your source. What lexicon(s) do you use?

Every question in this post is valid and should be answered if you with to maintain ANY credibility for your own thread, not the least of which is, do you even think it's possible for you to be wrong? (And the answer to that, and even the lack of answer, will be quite illuminating.)

Kindly,
Rhema


Maybe you've been "knowing" a lie.

Its not offered, its Given ! I know what the greek word is, been knowing it for over 30 yrs

 

[Rhema]

Its not offered, its Given ! I know what the greek word is, been knowing it for over 30 yrs

The actual Greek word δίδωμι written in the New Testament means both "give" and "offer."
"Give" means "to offer." Even in English:

give

1. to offer something to someone, or to provide someone with something: 2. to…

dictionary.cambridge.org

For God so loved the world, that he G1325 δίδωμι his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.​

- John 3:16 KJV

G1325 δίδωμι didōmi - to Give or OFFER

The Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι LINK

A. give freely, offer,​

The Cambridge Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι :

1. give; be ready to give; OFFER​

9. (of a party in a lawsuit) OFFER​

10. (of an official) OFFER (for voting on)​

The James Strong's Concordance of the KJV
δίδωμι didōmi - A prolonged form of a primary verb (which is used as an alternate in most of the tenses); to give - ... offer

You have truly made your whole thread into a circus of nonsense that should be ignored.

Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

The actual Greek word δίδωμι written in the New Testament means both "give" and "offer."
"Give" means "to offer." Even in English:

give

1. to offer something to someone, or to provide someone with something: 2. to…

dictionary.cambridge.org

For God so loved the world, that he G1325 δίδωμι his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.​

- John 3:16 KJV

G1325 δίδωμι didōmi - to Give or OFFER

The Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι LINK

A. give freely, offer,​

The Cambridge Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι :

1. give; be ready to give; OFFER​

9. (of a party in a lawsuit) OFFER​

10. (of an official) OFFER (for voting on)​

The James Strong's Concordance of the KJV
δίδωμι didōmi - A prolonged form of a primary verb (which is used as an alternate in most of the tenses); to give - ... offer

You have truly made your whole thread into a circus of nonsense that should be ignored.

Rhema

Its not offered, its Given ! I know what the greek word is, been knowing it for over 30 yrs

The definition also means :

1. to give
2. to give something to someone
   
   1. of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
      
      1. to bestow a gift
   2. to grant, give to one asking, let have
   3. to supply, furnish, necessary things

denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναι τινὶ μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; γνῶσιν σωτηρίας,Luke 1:77; ἐλπίδα τινί, 2 Thessalonians 2:16.

Its a giving of application, like when God gives repentance it causes the one He gives it to, to repent

When giving knowledge of salvation in Lk 1:77, its not a offer, its actually given, the knowledge evades the mind and heart,

I told you I studied this for over 30 yrs

 

[Rhema]

The definition also means :

ALSO....

The definition also means offer. These two words are synonymous in English. Things that are offered must be accepted. Things that are given must be accepted.

"Give" means "to offer." Even in English:

give

1. to offer something to someone, or to provide someone with something: 2. to…

dictionary.cambridge.org

You seem to be conflating give / offer with impart, bestow, confer - an action for which acceptance has no part. But were you to review the entries listed below, you would find that G1325 carries no such aspect.

The actual Greek word δίδωμι written in the New Testament means both "give" and "offer."
G1325 δίδωμι didōmi - to Give or OFFER and I provide (again) three lexical entries from scholars who actually know.

The Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι LINK

A. give freely, offer,​

The Cambridge Greek Lexicon for G1325 δίδωμι :

1. give; be ready to give; OFFER​

9. (of a party in a lawsuit) OFFER​

10. (of an official) OFFER (for voting on)​

The James Strong's Concordance of the KJV
δίδωμι didōmi - A prolonged form of a primary verb (which is used as an alternate in most of the tenses); to give - ... offer

For God so loved the world, that he G1325 δίδωμι (offered) his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.​

- John 3:16 KJV

One needs to believe. That's how one accepts the offer - by believing.

I told you I studied this for over 30 yrs

It doesn't matter how long one studies, if one has studied the wrong thing, does it. Take a Buddhist priest. Is he more correct, having studied, say, 40 years? 60 years? How about a Jewish Rabbi?

I'm truly not sure what you think studying is, but you wasted 30 years studying in the wrong language. (I ask again, have you ever even studied Greek?)

Is that why you can't repent? Is that why you cannot learn? Because of the shame that may come from having wasted 30 years?

Admit your mistake, and move on. That's how we learn. Even Paul learned that his studies of "30 years" were wasted:

Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.​

- Philippians 3:5-7 KJV

Kindly,
Rhema


The following English renditions mean the exact same thing in Greek:

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to offer repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.​

- Acts 5:31

When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles offered repentance unto life.​

- Acts 11:18

To offer knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,​

- Luke 1:77

Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath offered us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,​

- 2 Thessalonians 2:16

 

[Brightfame52]

Jn 3:16

16"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God's Love for the World of the Elect, His People, though they were born by Nature as others, most unholy sinners, but because of God's Great Love for them, He never for a second legally condemned them, neither have they ever been under His punitive wrath. For those things are not consistent with His Great Love for them ! It was God's Love that sent Christ into the world to redeem those He Loved Jn 3:16-17;1 Jn 3:16;4:9-10. All the condemnation legally that the Elect deserved for their revolt against God in Adam, had already been imputed to Christ, their Surety before the foundation of the world ! 5

 

[Brightfame52]

One more thing about the word offer, its not talking about if someone offers you something then its up to you to either accept it or reject it, to offer means like how Jesus offered Himself a Sacrifice,

Usage: The Greek verb "δίδωμι" (didómi) is a fundamental term in the New Testament, conveying the act of giving or granting something to someone. It encompasses a wide range of meanings, including the giving of gifts, the granting of authority, the bestowal of blessings, and the offering of oneself. This verb is often used to describe God's generous and gracious giving to humanity, as well as the call for believers to give to others.

Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, the concept of giving was deeply embedded in social and religious practices. Gifts were often exchanged to establish or maintain relationships, honor deities, or demonstrate loyalty and allegiance. In the Jewish tradition, giving was an essential aspect of the Law, with almsgiving and offerings being integral to religious life. The New Testament reflects these cultural practices, emphasizing the spiritual and relational dimensions of giving, particularly in the context of God's covenant with His people.

didōmi is never used as someone just making a offer to someone as it up to them to accept it or not, to say that is, is nothing but handling the word deceitfully.

 

[Rhema]

Jn 3:16

16"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Whosoever means WHOSOEVER. That's why it was written that way (whether in English or Greek). It's up to you to believe or not. That's what the words mean. So... is God MAKING you believe that it's not "whosoever believeth"? Or is something else making you not believe what is actually written?

One more thing about the word offer, its not talking about if someone offers you something then its up to you to either accept it or reject it, to offer means like how Jesus offered Himself a Sacrifice,

YES. Yes it is. Jesus had the option to NOT give Himself as a Sacrifice. Jesus even said this.

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.​

- Luke 22:41-42 KJV

I would suggest you look a bit more closely at your own "proof" copied from Biblehub (LINK).

including the giving of gifts,

In the whole of human endeavor, are you claiming that it is impossible for someone to reject a gift that they were given? That you are unable to say no? I GIVE you a "joint" to smoke, and you MUST accept what was GIVEN? Are you not now handling the word "given" deceitfully? (Of course you are.)

And your own "proof" also says this:

....as well as the call for believers to give to others.

So when you GIVE, say, a Bible to others, they are then compelled to take it? They can't say, "No thanks?" And when someone is given an opportunity (by YOU) to go to church, they unable to decline the offer? Are you now handling the word "given" deceitfully? (Of course you are.)

. In the Jewish tradition, giving was an essential aspect of the Law, with almsgiving and offerings being integral to religious life.

And both the GIVER and the receiver of a GIFT have a Choice. One chooses to Give, and the other chooses to accept that which was GIVEN. I have even rejected the gift of alms many times, even from believers. (There are reasons to do so.)

The New Testament reflects these cultural practices, emphasizing the spiritual and relational dimensions of giving, particularly in the context of God's covenant with His people.

A COVENANT requires the acceptance of both parties. Perhaps you should study that word, but don't take 30 years to do so.

If no one has a CHOICE to reject something they are given, then you mock the scriptures as proven in the words of Moses:

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:​

- Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV

A thing given may be rejected.
A thing offered may be rejected.
To give, and to offer mean the exact same thing.

Any sane person would agree, so it is obvious who is handling the word didōmi deceitfully.

Ex Cathedra,
Rhema

I pray to the Father that you be released from your heresy. But you will likely reject the Truth given to you by the Father. I grieve for you.

 

[Brightfame52]

Jn 17:9,20

9 I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them whom Thou hast given Me, for they are Thine.

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe in Me through their word,

Christ refused to pray for the world in general, but for those only who belonged to Him, Believers in Him and those who shall Believe in the Future. Those Christ refused to pray for are those of the reprobate world, those whom God Created as vessels of wrath, and children of hell ! Rom 9:22

22What if God, choosing to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction;


Matt 23:15,33

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers! How can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Now it is insanity to suppose that Christ Loved these people and that He gave Himself for them as He Loved and gave Himself for the Church Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it,

No real Christian should pray for none but those God has given to Christ, those who shall believe in Him, that is being Christ like.

It is blasphemy to even suggest that Christ came to redeem the children of the devil, whom shall perish in their sins, in God's Justice and Vengeance 2 Thess 1:8

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If Christ death was for these, if God Loved them Jn 3:16, then it was in vain ! 6

 

[Brightfame52]

Whosoever means WHOSOEVER. That's why it was written that way (whether in English or Greek). It's up to you to believe or not. That's what the words mean. So... is God MAKING you believe that it's not "whosoever believeth"? Or is something else making you not believe what is actually written?


YES. Yes it is. Jesus had the option to NOT give Himself as a Sacrifice. Jesus even said this.

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.​

- Luke 22:41-42 KJV

I would suggest you look a bit more closely at your own "proof" copied from Biblehub (LINK).

In the whole of human endeavor, are you claiming that it is impossible for someone to reject a gift that they were given? That you are unable to say no? I GIVE you a "joint" to smoke, and you MUST accept what was GIVEN? Are you not now handling the word "given" deceitfully? (Of course you are.)

And your own "proof" also says this:

So when you GIVE, say, a Bible to others, they are then compelled to take it? They can't say, "No thanks?" And when someone is given an opportunity (by YOU) to go to church, they unable to decline the offer? Are you now handling the word "given" deceitfully? (Of course you are.)


And both the GIVER and the receiver of a GIFT have a Choice. One chooses to Give, and the other chooses to accept that which was GIVEN. I have even rejected the gift of alms many times, even from believers. (There are reasons to do so.)


A COVENANT requires the acceptance of both parties. Perhaps you should study that word, but don't take 30 years to do so.

If no one has a CHOICE to reject something they are given, then you mock the scriptures as proven in the words of Moses:

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:​

- Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV

A thing given may be rejected.
A thing offered may be rejected.
To give, and to offer mean the exact same thing.

Any sane person would agree, so it is obvious who is handling the word didōmi deceitfully.

Ex Cathedra,
Rhema

I pray to the Father that you be released from your heresy. But you will likely reject the Truth given to you by the Father. I grieve for you.

You have handled the word deceitfully !

 

[Brightfame52]

How can those who are hated by God, such as those in Ps 5:5, the workers of iniquity, be those of Jn 3:16 ? Those for sure are in a state of separation from God and His Love, if they are hated by Him. This could never be said of those, whom God Loved through Christ Jesus Rom 8:39, because nothing could separate them from the Love of God, which includes Death, which includes Spiritual Death, this word death is defined as:

the power of death Heb 2:14


figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin Eph 4:18

in the widest sense, death comprising all the miseries arising from sin, as well physical death as the loss of a life consecrated to God and blessed in him on earth, to be followed by wretchedness in hell

When God's Elect are in a state of Spiritual death, are they then separated from the Love of God, that is in Christ Jesus ? God forbid ! However the Workers of Iniquity are Ps 5:5, so these cannot be those who God Loved ! 7

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear @Brightfame52 @Rhema
I bring this to your attention because your varied use of the word "deceit" does not further the understanding of the word of God. Both of you have chosen sides in this matter, and it seems that you perceive the other's writing to be contrary to your own interpretation, which you believe to be true. Thus, you assume that the other's motivation must be "deceitfulness" rather than a mere disagreement of interpretation. You appear to do this because you believe your position is so clear and valid that only someone who is deceitful or lacks understanding could continue to hold the opposing view.

I may be entirely wrong in analyzing this disagreement, and I probably am. However, what I am certain of is that attributing the word deceit to each other is not contributing to this discussion and needs to stop. Therefore, please comply with my request and cease this behavior.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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